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Sicarios/cartel/mob got their tentacles in everything…

mtgoat666 - 2-13-2022 at 02:56 PM

Sicarios/cartel/mob got their tentacles in everything…

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/us-suspends-m...

US suspends Mexican avocado imports on eve of Super Bowl
The U.S. government has suspended imports of Mexican avocados after a U.S. plant safety inspector in Mexico received a threat.

Uncertain if the avocado situation is cartel demanding protection money, or cartel requiring growers to sell to cartel-owned middle men or importers.

And in BCS, the mob now controls many (most?) of the fishing coops seafood sales, forcing coops to sell only to mobsters, under threat of violence.

Are many of those yummy fish and veggies you see in Usa supermarkets cartel products?

Sad!


LancairDriver - 2-13-2022 at 06:39 PM

Report a situation at your own peril. It is alarming to see how fast these shakedowns are spreading from drugs and human trafficking to normal commerce.

pacificobob - 2-13-2022 at 07:04 PM

This happens in most places....just generally. less visible


mtgoat666 - 2-13-2022 at 09:32 PM

Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver  
Report a situation at your own peril. It is alarming to see how fast these shakedowns are spreading from drugs and human trafficking to normal commerce.


Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  
This happens in most places....just generally. less visible


Just disconcerting that the remote rural fishing coops I am familiar with were free of mobsters pre-covid, and in 2021 all changed — threats of violence now rule.


BajaBlanca - 2-14-2022 at 05:42 AM

Wow, how awful and mostly, how short sighted of the cartels to threaten an avo facility inspector. Did they think that would go over well? A complete ban is the right thing to do, or the cycle will never end.

JDCanuck - 2-14-2022 at 10:56 AM

AMLO joins in on Avocado issue:
https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/mexican-president-sees-con...

Don Pisto - 2-14-2022 at 11:00 AM

remember the cartel lime shortage 7 years ago?:(

mtgoat666 - 2-14-2022 at 11:30 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca  
A complete ban is the right thing to do, or the cycle will never end.


cartels have infiltrated most every industry in mexico. are you going to ban all mexican products from usa?
if mexico wants to get rid of cartel (in every business sector of mexico), then mexicans need to do it themselves.

of course, it does not help much that so many gringos in usa are in business with cartel, ranging from casual drug users to large usa importers that pretend to be blind to their own business relationships with cartel-owned businesses

chatolj - 2-14-2022 at 09:29 PM


( Goat Quote)
Just disconcerting that the remote rural fishing coops I am familiar with were free of mobsters pre-covid, and in 2021 all changed — threats of violence now rule.



Not that I doubt the Cartel presence / actions in many locations and industries, but could you please list these rural fishing coop locations you have personally seen their effects. I spend a bit of time fishing in semi remote areas where there are fishing operations and I would like to avoid locations where "threats of violence rule". Gracias.

BajaDanD - 2-16-2022 at 10:33 PM

Witch rural remote fishing coops are you familiar with. Do you go to these places or know anyone living there or are you just repeating stuff you've heard.

chatolj - 2-17-2022 at 06:41 AM

In my short time on this forum, I now believe that the Goat doesn't respond to civil and openminded questions and discussions. I might well be incorrect on my take. Maybe if I use derogatory statements and pick a keyboard fight an answer will come. Please prove me wrong, its good for my ego.

advrider - 2-17-2022 at 07:02 PM

chatolj, you don't need to be here long to figure out the goat, you nailed it in no time.

RFClark - 2-17-2022 at 09:45 PM

In other news, San Felipe had a fair sized drug bust yesterday. They even seized a few guns and a old US hand grenade! Lots of cops evertwhere!

JDCanuck - 2-18-2022 at 11:51 AM

Avocado ban comes to an end:
https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/us-paves-way-resumption-me...

mtgoat666 - 5-4-2022 at 07:18 AM

Interesting article in the NYTimes… your yummy guacamole is made with blood.

In Mexico, One Cartel Is Cleared, but Others Storm In
In the state of Michoacán, small drug cartels compete with larger ones for territory, leaving the residents caught in the middle of a brutal turf war.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/04/world/americas/mexico-car...

When will Mexican military clean house in Baja’s fishing industry? Someday? never? Has amlo and military just given up?


Don Pisto - 5-4-2022 at 11:29 AM

yeah i've been saving up to buy a couple avocados for the big bash tomorrow :coolup:

Lobsterman - 5-5-2022 at 07:13 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chatolj  
In my short time on this forum, I now believe that the Goat doesn't respond to civil and openminded questions and discussions. I might well be incorrect on my take. Maybe if I use derogatory statements and pick a keyboard fight an answer will come. Please prove me wrong, its good for my ego.


How observant you are for being on this board for such a short time. GOAT is our Mexican expert want-a-be. He has his very progressive view on life and heavens to Bettsy, you have a different view or opinion than he has. He will not debate just start his belittling routine against you. If you do have a different opinion, you better not post it cuz his true inner-soul will come out against you with vile name calling not just your but others within your family group. It's no fun being called a racist, bigot, fat, short, idiot, i.e, just because you differ from his views.

JZ is now his target along with his supporters. After 4-5 years of trying to add a conservative perspective to this board I gave up. GOAT will say otherwise. Once he and JJJ starting doxing my family and calling them nasty names I had enough and no longer offer my views or opinions. You can see by my number of post I was once an active participant to this board. I'm just a fisherman from San Diego who would often fish the waters from my boat from the border to Cabo and post these adventures.

GOAT is a fake keyboard troll who to the best of my knowledge has never been to Mexico. Don't waste your time trying to get proof out of him that he has. His enjoyment in life is belittling people who have the nerve to post an opinion or thought that differs from his own. I had to laugh once when he called me a fascist. I said to just look in the mirror if you want to see a "true blooded fascist" who wants to control this board with his views and chase off others that differ.

I still enjoy this board looking for the few fishing adventures and other travel places in Mexico.

bajatrailrider - 5-6-2022 at 10:25 PM

How true it is dont call him Goat Jack ASS much better. He could not survive on any other web site. sadly this one allows it

pacificobob - 5-8-2022 at 08:03 AM

I enjoy goats posts. And frequently agree.
I also find the triggered reactions to those posts highly entertaining

mtgoat666 - 6-4-2022 at 07:33 AM

For the skeptics that don’t think cartels rule in BCS fisheries….

La pesca en manos del narco
https://zetatijuana.com/2022/02/la-pesca-en-manos-del-narco/

Organized Crime Is Taking Over Mexican Fisheries – Part I
https://mexicotoday.com/2022/02/20/opinion-organized-crime-i...

“How Do We Resist?” – Organized Crime Is Taking Over Mexican Fisheries – Part II
https://mexicotoday.com/2022/03/06/opinion-how-do-we-resist-...

The Women Guardians of Conchalito – Organized Crime Is Taking Over Mexican Fisheries – Part III
https://mexicotoday.com/2022/03/20/opinion-the-women-guardia...

How the Sinaloa Cartel rules
https://mexicotoday.com/2022/04/03/opinion-how-the-sinaloa-c...




[Edited on 6-4-2022 by mtgoat666]

KaceyJ - 6-4-2022 at 09:40 AM

Goat
I can tell you what several fishermen I've known for a long time in the Mulege- Cachenia corridor have told me recently
They report being told how much they will now get for there fish instead of the market being set by the previous local buyer
Also , who can sell what seafood to whom
About all I want to say

mtgoat666 - 6-4-2022 at 10:17 AM

Quote: Originally posted by KaceyJ  
Goat
I can tell you what several fishermen I've known for a long time in the Mulege- Cachenia corridor have told me recently
They report being told how much they will now get for there fish instead of the market being set by the previous local buyer
Also , who can sell what seafood to whom
About all I want to say


Yep. I was told the fishermen/coops are forced to sell to the cartel-owned (or cartel-controlled) buyers. And this only applies to the high-value species like lobster and callo de hacha. As the cartel control matures, perhaps this will extend to other species.
The cartels are so embedded in many parts of Mexico’s economy, the elimination of cartel control may be very difficult to impossible. Mexico needs a strong govt and strong business community to fight the cartels….

BajaTed - 6-4-2022 at 10:26 AM

The cartels will continue to exploit until the sanctity of a contract is enforced by courts of law with economic sanctions. Capitalism can be used to purge the bad if done wisely.