BajaNomad - Study finds Western megadrought is the worst in 1,200 years

NPR also said this 6 days ago. So, I'll take what they say with a grain of salt.

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/09/1078977416/race-chat-emoji-sk...

Shorty melonhead:
I will take my NPR over your Faux News

Btw, the study came from researchers at UCLA and Columbia, and published in a leading reputable journal.

Even a caveman can see we are in a drought. Are you so stupid to refuse to listen to the the science that quantifies magnitude of drought relative to climate record? Dont you even have an ounce of curiosity about the science of the world we live in?

[Edited on 2-15-2022 by mtgoat666]

Worst in 1200 years, and then?

John M - 2-14-2022 at 07:44 PM

So, the severe drought 1,200 years ago ended. Then what? I suppose if the drought ended, that must mean it was followed by significant wet years, no?

JM

Lee - 2-14-2022 at 09:01 PM

Quote: Originally posted by John M

So, the severe drought 1,200 years ago ended. Then what? I suppose if the drought ended, that must mean it was followed by significant wet years, no?

JM

Then what? Societies end, civilizations disappear, everything dies. No water, no life. Think Anasazi.

JZ - 2-15-2022 at 01:24 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Shorty melonhead:
I will take my NPR over your Faux News

Btw, the study came from researchers at UCLA and Columbia, and published in a leading reputable journal.

Here is another study for you, published last week:

Johns Hopkins study finds lock downs didn’t work, should be ‘rejected out of hand’ in the future
https://padailypost.com/2022/02/07/johns-hopkins-study-finds...

Btw, 10 governors in Blue states just said in the last week that they are ending mask mandates. The CDC says to keep wearing masks. The WH agrees with the CDC. Who exactly is "following the science."

And the rub is, the Blue states are saying adults don't have to wear masks, but kids in school do. Kids are the ones least likely to get sick, but the most likely to suffer from wearing masks. So, why are the kids wearing masks? Because the leftest school unions have so much power.

And 70K elites just watched the super bowl in CA. And not one had a mask on (or even tried to lie about holding his breath). Yet all the common ppl have to mask up on the streets of LA.

This entire thing was made political by the Libs. The great thing is that America is so, so done with your Woke nonsense.

[Edited on 2-15-2022 by JZ]

mtgoat666 - 2-15-2022 at 06:34 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Shorty melonhead:
I will take my NPR over your Faux News

Btw, the study came from researchers at UCLA and Columbia, and published in a leading reputable journal.

Here is another study for you, published last week:

Johns Hopkins study finds lock downs didn’t work, should be ‘rejected out of hand’ in the future
https://padailypost.com/2022/02/07/johns-hopkins-study-finds...

Btw, 10 governors in Blue states just said in the last week that they are ending mask mandates. The CDC says to keep wearing masks. The WH agrees with the CDC. Who exactly is "following the science."

And the rub is, the Blue states are saying adults don't have to wear masks, but kids in school do. Kids are the ones least likely to get sick, but the most likely to suffer from wearing masks. So, why are the kids wearing masks? Because the leftest school unions have so much power.

And 70K elites just watched the super bowl in CA. And not one had a mask on (or even tried to lie about holding his breath). Yet all the common ppl have to mask up on the streets of LA.

This entire thing was make political by the Libs. The great thing is that America is so, so done with your Woke nonsense.

[Edited on 2-15-2022 by JZ]

You “Johns Hopkins University study” is non-peer reviewed “working paper” written by a “Professor of Applied Economics,” who is also staff at the libertarian Cato Institute.

I have never sought medical care or advice from an economist. Have you?

WestyWanderer - 2-15-2022 at 08:22 AM

How is this Baja News? That’s right, it’s not, but Goat wouldn’t get reaction to his trolling in the off topic

mtgoat666 - 2-15-2022 at 08:35 AM

Quote: Originally posted by WestyWanderer

How is this Baja News? That’s right, it’s not, but Goat wouldn’t get reaction to his trolling in the off topic

The drought in western North America has had severe effect on baja,… totally a baja topic. The drought has been quite devastating to ranchers in baja.

I cannot fully explain the vehement reactions of right wingnuts (Dk, gnukid, shorty mcjizzy, etc.) to science news. It is quite illogical. But it does appear that the the source of their Pavlovian reactions is brainwashing by right wing media

[Edited on 2-15-2022 by mtgoat666]

Bajaboy - 2-15-2022 at 05:39 PM

I hope this is deemed as fair and balanced....

https://www.doi.gov/ocl/colorado-river-drought-conditions

mtgoat666 - 2-15-2022 at 05:52 PM

I hope this is deemed as fair and balanced....

https://www.doi.gov/ocl/colorado-river-drought-conditions

A report issued by DOI under Biden admin has more truthiness than similar report issued under Trump admin :light:

John Harper - 2-15-2022 at 06:16 PM

But, Joe Biden can't change the path of a hurricane with a Sharpie!

John

TSThornton - 2-15-2022 at 06:48 PM

I'm on the lib side of the spectrum, but I thought this was a refreshingly fair and balanced take on the troubles at the border by Fox:

https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1493336764664143875?...

JZ - 2-16-2022 at 12:58 AM

Quote: Originally posted by TSThornton

I'm on the lib side of the spectrum, but I thought this was a refreshingly fair and balanced take on the troubles at the border by Fox:

https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1493336764664143875?...

What happened to you Boomers??

You posted a fake video with cut ups warning we shouldn't let 2M ppl cross the US border illegally. And asking why the govt. is requiring all US citizens to be vaxxed, but letting illegal aliens into the country without the same requirement?

On the Canadian trucker front, today Trudeau came very close to imposing Marshall law on truckers who are asking the govt. to stop mandating vaccines. Those truckers worked through the entire pandemic to provide goods to people. And on January 15th the govt. told them they must get vaxxed.

What the hell wrong with you ppl.

[Edited on 2-16-2022 by JZ]

Bajaboy - 2-16-2022 at 06:25 AM

Quote: Originally posted by TSThornton

On the Canadian trucker front, today Trudeau came very close to imposing Marshall law on truckers who are asking the govt. to stop mandating vaccines. Those truckers worked through the entire pandemic to provide goods to people. And on January 15th the govt. told them they must get vaxxed.

What the hell wrong with you ppl.

[Edited on 2-16-2022 by JZ]

If vaccines are bad, it doesn't matter whether or not they worked during the pandemic. If they are good, the truckers should get the vaccine.

What's wrong with peopole who don't get the vaccine :light:

But back to the drought, it's real regardless of one's talking points.

[Edited on 2-16-2022 by Bajaboy]

mtgoat666 - 2-16-2022 at 06:36 AM

Quote: Originally posted by TSThornton

But back to the drought, it's real regardless of one's talking points.

[Edited on 2-16-2022 by Bajaboy]

The Canadian trucker protesters were a bunch of anti-vax whiners.
I am so tired of anti-vax and anti-mask whiners. What is wrong with such people? Bunch of big babies! Misguided twits!

Timinator - 2-17-2022 at 08:07 AM

Since NPR has a virtually zero percent track record in it's predictions, I'll just smile and pass.

bajatrailrider - 2-17-2022 at 11:32 AM

pot meets kettle what maybe you smoking :bounce:

Copacetico1 - 2-18-2022 at 11:07 AM

So, if the drought is 1,200 years old and the Industrial Age is only 200 years old, what caused the climate change BEFORE man's carbon footprint? Doesn't this say human-caused climate change is all BS?

mtgoat666 - 2-18-2022 at 12:56 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Copacetico1

So, if the drought is 1,200 years old and the Industrial Age is only 200 years old, what caused the climate change BEFORE man's carbon footprint? Doesn't this say human-caused climate change is all BS?

Causes of global warming: How scientists know that humans are responsible
It’s a conclusion shared by the world’s most respected scientific organizations.
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2020/03/causes-of-global-...

JZ - 2-18-2022 at 01:01 PM

Now post how much funding researchers get for studying climate change, and how much funding they would lose if they found climate change was a natural occurrence.

David K - 2-18-2022 at 02:21 PM

Now post how much funding researchers get for studying climate change, and how much funding they would lose if they found climate change was a natural occurrence.

... and how much they get if they admit money won't change the climate or other natural events. You can't pay a volcano to not erupt :lol:

Skipjack Joe - 2-18-2022 at 03:07 PM

Megadrought shmegadrought says David K. Mierdadrought also.

[Edited on 2-18-2022 by Skipjack Joe]

Bajaboy - 2-18-2022 at 03:45 PM

Now post how much funding researchers get for studying climate change, and how much funding they would lose if they found climate change was a natural occurrence.

Guess the simpleton logic works for cancer research as well :lol:

mtgoat666 - 2-18-2022 at 03:49 PM

Now post how much funding researchers get for studying climate change, and how much funding they would lose if they found climate change was a natural occurrence.

Guess the simpleton logic works for cancer research as well :lol:

Physics too!

All science is false, all studies faked in quest to get new research moneys!
The whole body of science in the past 50 years is a sham!

JZ - 2-18-2022 at 04:01 PM

Now post how much funding researchers get for studying climate change, and how much funding they would lose if they found climate change was a natural occurrence.

Guess the simpleton logic works for cancer research as well :lol:

Were you drinking your home brew when you came up with that false equivalency?

How many advances in cancer treatment have occurred? Govt. isn't stopping mother nature.

[Edited on 2-18-2022 by JZ]

Lee - 2-18-2022 at 04:24 PM

Now post how much funding researchers get for studying climate change, and how much funding they would lose if they found climate change was a natural occurrence.

Your priorities are sad. You see conspiracies, along with David, in everything that you don't understand. Politics, climate, research.

One day when you two mature, you'll wonder why you created so much drama in your life.

Add Tom, Clark and the other far right paranoids here and you may qualify for a Happy Meal. Give it a try. Your kids will think old dad was wrong on so many things. Why?

David K - 2-18-2022 at 04:40 PM

The only conspiracy is that the lovers of BIG Government, high taxes, and a crippled economy, have with real science (which is observed facts from real events). Science is NOT a study of predictions of something that hasn't happened. That is better done by gypsies with glass balls or politicians with no balls.

RFClark - 2-18-2022 at 04:42 PM

I don’t “see conspiracies” the special prosecutor is indicting the people who were involved in them! Perhaps you should wait and see who ends up on trial!

On water, if California hadn't shut down all their nuclear power plants they could build desalination plants to supply water. But now that’s not a choice! But you can do something today to help. Move out of state! We did!

John Harper - 2-18-2022 at 06:28 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Lee

Add Tom, Clark and the other far right paranoids here and you may qualify for a Happy Meal.

Only if they get the senior discount and it's on the dollar menu!! At McDonald's, they don't even have to leave a tip! Win-Win.

It seems a true blessing that so many bitter people move from California.

John

[Edited on 2-19-2022 by John Harper]

John Harper - 2-18-2022 at 07:15 PM

Science is NOT a study of predictions of something that hasn't happened.

I guess theoretical physics is not science. Black holes were predicted long before we had the ability to observe them, as were the effects of building an atomic bomb. I believe the Higg's boson as well, and the observations made by Edwin Hubble at our nearby Wilson Observatory, which confirmed the expansion of the universe. Prediction is what science is all about, even predicting potentially dominant flu strains and determining the characteristics of emerging/developing covid mutations.

John

[Edited on 2-19-2022 by John Harper]

RFClark - 2-18-2022 at 07:16 PM

No, not bitter just getting out before the bill comes due for 4 decades of mismanagement! “Bitter” describes those stuck there paying for services that those in charge can't supply, Goat comes to mind!

There’s no water shortage, gas is about $3.60/Gal, propane is $2.00/gal, good NY steak is $7.00/Lb, the shelves are full in the stores and my property taxes are $140/year.

What’s not to like about Baja?

[Edited on 2-19-2022 by RFClark]

JDCanuck - 2-18-2022 at 07:20 PM

RFClark: Sounds almost ideal. Care too share where you moved to?

John Harper - 2-18-2022 at 07:23 PM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark

No, not bitter just getting out before the bill comes due for 4 decades of mismanagement! “Bitter” describes those stuck there paying for services that those in charge can't supply, Goat comes to mind!

What "services" were you deprived of while living in California? Were you deprived of water, electricity, fire or police services? Or, just bitter about California growing browner? Do you think "those people" were grifting off you? We're the 6th largest economy in the world, that costs money to maintain, good and bad come with that.

And, neighbor Goat pays taxes. What has he done? Is he a "taker?"

You need a Happy Meal! My treat. I can order online and you can pick it up!

John

[Edited on 2-19-2022 by John Harper]

RFClark - 2-18-2022 at 08:07 PM

As a business owner in Los Angeles.

Police don't respond to most property crimes not involving the use of a gun. When they respond at all it’s slow. At night there are often just 4 units to cover the SF valley!

The downtown streets are literally lined with people living on the sidewalks. Also using them for a bathroom!

Water is rationed, has been for years on and off. Streets are frequently flooded and the water is off because of breaks in 100+ year old pipes.

Trash is collected sometimes, the streets are full of potholes, the sidewalks are broken. In some areas the electricity is turned off when the wind blows.

Stores are closing as a result of the no bail/under $900 in thefts are a walk policy!

Most of the problem makers are OTMs! I’ve worked in Mexico (legally) on and off for 40 years, with the locals. Hardly the conduct of a “racist”! Now we live there! Also hardly “racist”!

California’s and LA’s taxes are among the highest in the US!

Copacetico1 - 2-18-2022 at 08:21 PM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark

As a business owner in Los Angeles.

Police don't respond to most property crimes not involving the use of a gun. When they respond at all it’s slow. At night there are often just 4 units to cover the SF valley!

The downtown streets are literally lined with people living on the sidewalks. Also using them for a bathroom!

Water is rationed, has been for years on and off. Streets are frequently flooded and the water is off because of breaks in 100+ year old pipes.

Trash is collected sometimes, the streets are full of potholes, the sidewalks are broken. In some areas the electricity is turned off when the wind blows.

Stores are closing as a result of the no bail/under $900 in thefts are a walk policy!

Most of the problem makers are OTMs! I’ve worked in Mexico (legally) on and off for 40 years, with the locals. Hardly the conduct of a “racist”! Now we live there! Also hardly “racist”!

California’s and LA’s taxes are among the highest in the US!

You just precisely described Tijuana (except for the tax thing). I live there.

[Edited on 2-19-2022 by Copacetico1]

Copacetico1 - 2-18-2022 at 08:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote: Originally posted by Copacetico1

OK, let's assume you and the Yale scientists are correct. Now explain WHY the drought started 1,000 years BEFORE the industrial age and what caused the reason for climate change 1,200 years ago to suddenly end 200 years ago, and man's carbon footprint to take its place.

[Edited on 2-19-2022 by Copacetico1]

RFClark - 2-18-2022 at 08:39 PM

Copacetico1,

Mexico generally collects a 19% VAT and low property taxes. In California the sales tax is around 10%, the income tax is around 10% LA county collects an inventory tax of a few percent, a payroll tax of a few percent and property tax of a few percent!

As you say sounds like TJ except for lots more taxes than TJ!

On the subject of water. The SouthWest US and Northern Mexico have been subject to droughts for thousands of years. Los Angeles was a desert until recently. Since the 1920’s the equivalent of several large rivers have been diverted into LA and a thousand sq miles of that desert has been watered.

The people who sold their water to LA have long since spent the money and want their water back. (The Owens Valley) Nevada and Arizona are filling up with people (some from California!) and they want their share of water from the Colorado River which has less to divide because of long standing weather cycles.

The politicians basically have dodged all the hard decisions and now there’s too many people living in a desert!

[Edited on 2-19-2022 by RFClark]

Skipjack Joe - 2-19-2022 at 12:57 AM

Science is NOT a study of predictions of something that hasn't happened.

That is precisely what it is.

Newton's laws predicts when a released object WILL hit the ground and at what speed it will do so.

Science would be useless if it didn't predict.

pacificobob - 2-19-2022 at 07:52 AM

NOAA has released a study regarding raising sea level . 2 feet by the end of the century.
Remember...science doesn't care what you believe.

RFClark - 2-19-2022 at 08:36 AM

Imagine that! A drought of biblical proportions and forecast sea rise the same! Perhaps converting sea water back to fresh water could ease both problems! It’s also worth noting that pumping water uphill is the most efficient way to store electrical power, so it could be a “three for”!

Good Engineering can solve the problems science forecasts, if solving them is your goal!

David K - 2-19-2022 at 09:18 AM

:biggrin:

bajaric - 2-19-2022 at 10:09 AM

Waiting for the ice caps to melt would be like waiting for a mile thick frozen chicken breast to thaw in the fridge. :lol:

That said, it does seem that we are in a bit of a drought. Only 30 years ago the Laguna Salada was full of water. In the 1980's I witnessed the Friant dam spill, an awesome sight to see the San Joaquin River flow as it once did before the dam diverted all the water for agriculture.

[Edited on 3-4-2022 by bajaric]

baja-chris - 2-20-2022 at 09:41 PM

Why not build another 1 or 2 units at the Palo Verde nuke plant and run power down to El Gulfo for a massive set of desalinization plants and pump the water to the Imperial Valley and Phoenix area?

And build a pipeline from the Snake River to Lake Mead as was originally proposed in the 1960's?

Heck much of the SE is sitting in water much of the year. The technology exists to pump vast volumes over the divide, heck Denver already pumps massive amounts of water FROM the Colo headwaters to the front range.

mtgoat666 - 2-21-2022 at 06:46 AM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob

NOAA has released a study regarding raising sea level . 2 feet by the end of the century.
Remember...science doesn't care what you believe.

Even if that was true. What is government going to do to change it?

Govt can use policy and law to encourage decreased emissions of greenhouse gasses.

RFClark - 2-21-2022 at 09:04 AM

Goat,

How about “Government builds infrastructure to turn sea water into fresh water” to help solve the problem rather than telling everyone except themselves to suck it up, pay more and expect less?

That’s not going to happen is it?

mtgoat666 - 2-23-2022 at 04:23 PM

Taxing working people will not change the climate or sea level.

Nobody said taxes prevent greenhouse gas emissions. What are you smoking?

Govt uses laws and regulations to provide order and effect change. Laws and regulations are great. The provide for an orderly economy, a clean(er) environment, etc.
Corporations just chase dollars, often in harmful ways if corps left to their own devices. Laws and regulations coerce corporations to chase dollars in the way citizens desire. Vox populi.

RFClark - 2-23-2022 at 07:18 PM

Hay Goat,

What about the government uses the environmental tax money to solve the problem not change the way everyone (except them!) lives? Haven’t heard any of that!

Skipjack Joe - 2-25-2022 at 07:12 AM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark

Goat,

How about “Government builds infrastructure to turn sea water into fresh water” to help solve the problem rather than telling everyone except themselves to suck it up, pay more and expect less?

That’s not going to happen is it?

And then what? Drink it so that the water levels don't rise?

Oh, I get it. Freeze it and put it back on the Antarctica.

mtgoat666 - 2-25-2022 at 09:23 AM

Sea level has risen 8–9 inches (21–24 centimeters) since 1880.

In 2020, global sea level set a new record high—91.3 mm (3.6 inches) above 1993 levels.

The rate of sea level rise is accelerating: it has more than doubled from 0.06 inches (1.4 millimeters) per year throughout most of the twentieth century to 0.14 inches (3.6 millimeters) per year from 2006–2015.

In many locations along the U.S. coastline, high-tide flooding is now 300% to more than 900% more frequent than it was 50 years ago.

Even if the world follows a low greenhouse gas pathway, global sea level will likely rise at least 12 inches (0.3 meters) above 2000 levels by 2100.

If we follow a pathway with high emissions, a worst-case scenario of as much as 8.2 feet (2.5 meters) above 2000 levels by 2100 cannot be ruled out.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/...

Seasonal (3-month) sea level estimates from Church and White (2011) (light blue line) and University of Hawaii Fast Delivery sea level data (dark blue). The values are shown as change in sea level in millimeters compared to the 1993-2008 average. NOAA Climate.gov image based on analysis and data from Philip Thompson, University of Hawaii Sea Level Center.

David K - 2-25-2022 at 09:51 AM

Which satellite was used in 1880... or I guess it was Old Man Peabody and his wood stick?

Seriously...

Even if it raised 8-9 inches in 140 years, so what? That is the way it is, and meanwhile the 15 foot rise (every day) at hightide would never know. Isn't the moon slowly moving away from the earth? Won't that reduce the height of high tide? Seriously, and just how can humans change the acts of Nature? What humans can do is move up a bit from the beach to not get wet.

mtgoat666 - 2-25-2022 at 11:14 AM

What humans can do is move up a bit from the beach to not get wet.

Expensive to "move up a bit." For example, if you have to move La Guardia, Oakland or San Diego airports "up a bit" the cost will run into billions of dollars. Sea walls or dikes to protect large regions of land cost a pretty penny too.

Take La Guardia. Hurricane Sandy storm surge did a number on it. Imagine if king tides do a number on La Guardia every month in the future :light:

p.s. range of daily tidal change is irrelevant. what matters is when the high tides get higher due to SL change :light:

What LaGuardia Airport could look like at high tide with 5 feet of sea level rise, an amount that could occur by 2100, according to some estimates.
Credit: Nickolay Lamm/StorageFront interpretation of Climate Central data.

RFClark - 2-25-2022 at 05:41 PM

Goat,

Poor choice La Guardia is one of the worst APOs in the US! 5’ of water would be an improvement.

Marshall Law

MrBillM - 3-3-2022 at 11:37 AM

From JZ:

....... "On the Canadian trucker front, today Trudeau came very close to imposing Marshall law on truckers ......"

Was that Marshall Dillon ? Maybe, shoot the Truckers ?

Once again, we have an example where "Spell Checking" can't overcome ignorance.

Don Pisto - 3-3-2022 at 12:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM

From JZ:

....... "On the Canadian trucker front, today Trudeau came very close to imposing Marshall law on truckers ......"

Was that Marshall Dillon ? Maybe, shoot the Truckers ?

Once again, we have an example where "Spell Checking" can't overcome ignorance.

even better "Marshall Trucker"! :lol:

JDCanuck - 3-3-2022 at 01:52 PM

Nice to know we won't have to haul those icebergs down to get more drinking water, nature is doing the job for us. The challenge is dispersing the excessive desal minerals without poisoning local effluent areas and using the extra solar to accomplish the desalination.

Chile had a decent answer to water needs from solar energy in 1872, 150 years ago:

https://www.freeenergyplanet.biz/free-solar-energy/history-o...

Or if you are interested in bypassing government and playing around with something for your own place, there is this:

https://www.freeenergyplanet.biz/solar-distillation/horace-m...

mtgoat666 - 3-3-2022 at 02:07 PM

Lake Powell is about to drop below a critical level never reached before, as drought rages on

Climate change’s impacts on water in the West may just be a preview of what’s to come.

Around half of the world’s population already experiences severe water scarcity each year in part due to climate-related factors, a major UN report released Monday said. It also concluded as many as three billion people around the world will experience “chronic water scarcity” under uncontrolled global warming.

“The drought is pretty baked in,” Mankin said. “My expectation is fully that the American West is going to be in a drought through the rest of this year, at the very least. To recover from this thing, we’re talking about multiple seasons of above-average precipitation.”

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/03/us/lake-powell-water-colorado...

San Diego County Embraces Water-Use Efficiencies

Per capita water use in the Water Authority’s service area has fallen from more than 200 gallons per person/day to less than 130 gpcd over the past 15 years. In 2020, total regional use of potable water was about 30 percent less than it was in 1990, even though the regional population grew by 35 percent.

Since 1991, the Water Authority’s water-use efficiency programs and initiatives cumulatively have conserved more than 1 million acre-feet of water. These savings have been achieved through measures that include incentives on water-efficient devices, legislative efforts, and outreach programs. (Proof that govt regulations are good, eh?)

https://www.sdcwa.org/your-water/water-use/

drought must be pretty bad if reservoir is drying up despite overall drop in demand…

[Edited on 3-3-2022 by mtgoat666]

PaulW - 3-3-2022 at 04:37 PM

Does not seem fair the Missouri and Mississippi river flood every year and millions of acre millions acre feet of water is dumped into the Gulf. And the Colorado river flow very low and the area west of the Rockies is in a 1200 year drought. In the four corners area it is the driest in 1400 years.
Seems like all that wasted water should be pumped west to the west slope of the Rockies.

John Harper - 3-3-2022 at 04:40 PM

Unfortunately, increased water efficiency just gives developers an excuse to justify more building, so we're constantly in a situation of having to conserve and increase efficiency with no end. Every gallon we save just allows more housing developments. It's never saved or conserved.

Like the old saying: "I've learned to do more with less for so long that now I can do anything with nothing."

John

[Edited on 3-3-2022 by John Harper]

JDCanuck - 3-3-2022 at 05:24 PM

I have read someplace that Baja has 2 large desalination plants being built. Doesn't this seem like the best solution combined with solar power for the pumping as long as the mineral waste can be disposed of safely? Removing water shed water at source that ocean life depends on seems like a backwards move with negative consequences.

mtgoat666 - 3-3-2022 at 05:52 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck

I have read someplace that Baja has 2 large desalination plants being built. Doesn't this seem like the best solution combined with solar power for the pumping as long as the mineral waste can be disposed of safely? Removing water shed water at source that ocean life depends on seems like a backwards move with negative consequences.

Desal water is very, very expensive! Expensive filters/filter media, high energy cost.

Here in California, water is much, much cheaper from aqueducts or wells.

Here in SoCal desal water costs 5X more than other sources like wells and aqueducts.

Glidergeek - 3-4-2022 at 01:42 PM

"Desal water is very, very expensive!"
So are bullet trains to nowhere, what's the priority here?

David K - 3-6-2022 at 07:28 AM

About an inch of rain the past two days here in San Diego County cities.
The more drama over their doomsday predictions, the more that Nature proves who is in control!

pacificobob - 3-6-2022 at 07:39 AM

1 inch of rain defines a climate trend?.....who knew?
Your knowledge of science never fails to impress

David K - 3-6-2022 at 08:37 AM

Rainfall is measured in inches.
The average rain for March (since 2008) is 1.42"
In the past 2 days we just got over 1".
The month is not over.
Science is observation of real events. Not hysteria over predictions.
Keep observing!

mtgoat666 - 3-6-2022 at 08:44 AM