What's the story on the beach rock art?

I've got this on my list of spots to visit along this stretch of coast. Am I right in my belief that these are all from The Wall area?
Anybody know the story? I'd heard that the arches are built by a guy down there, I'm assuming the mosaics may be others adding to the vibe?

"The Wall" (surfer's code name for the location) is Punta Rosarito, south of Santa Rosalillita and north of El Tomatal. It is almost perfectly opposite of the mystery wall, on the gulf coast south of Pancho's San Rafael.

Quote: Originally posted by DosMars

I've got this on my list of spots to visit along this stretch of coast. Am I right in my belief that these are all from The Wall area? Anybody know the story? I'd heard that the arches are built by a guy down there, I'm assuming the mosaics may be others adding to the vibe?

they're all about blocking the relentless winds, some just fancier than others

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666   Quote: Originally posted by DosMars   I've got this on my list of spots to visit along this stretch of coast. Am I right in my belief that these are all from The Wall area? Anybody know the story? I'd heard that the arches are built by a guy down there, I'm assuming the mosaics may be others adding to the vibe? I have seen this rock art and others in many places. It starts with one person with time and energy and desire to stack rocks. Then subsequent visitors see first sculpture and want to make their own. I did not see this in the 80s. It appears to have really taken off in past few decades. I consider it the same as paint graffiti. Natural areas should not be spoiled by man-made structures. The sense of discovery is ruined when everywhere you go has natural landforms spoiled by man-made structures. Let everyone experience nature with the sense that they are the first visitor, and seeing wilderness. Stay away from Egypt... you will be sorely hurt how the ancients built pyramids and temples on such a lovely desert!

Quote: Originally posted by David K

"The Wall" (surfer's code name for the location) is Punta Rosarito, south of Santa Rosalillita and north of El Tomatal. It is almost perfectly opposite of the mystery wall, on the gulf coast south of Pancho's San Rafael.

Quote: Originally posted by DosMars

Quote: Originally posted by David K   "The Wall" (surfer's code name for the location) is Punta Rosarito, south of Santa Rosalillita and north of El Tomatal. It is almost perfectly opposite of the mystery wall, on the gulf coast south of Pancho's San Rafael. Is one of these photos from south of Pancho's? Another stretch of beach I've been meaning to visit... If there's a dirt road there, I figure I'm not the first one there. If there's a super cool pile of rocks, it sets it apart from the rest of the spots I've explored.

The Wall about 5 miles on the water south of Pancho's.







About 6 feet tall with a flat top a couple feet wide.

Cool! That's a pretty impressive feat of wall building. What's the story on that one?

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Don Pisto you are correct sir, and both times. The Wall is one windy place. At times. Nothing to hide from other than inside your truck or vans and what fun is that? Dry stacking rocks for any kind of wind block is time well spent for you and your sanity. I thought I saw one time a full size 'woven' horse out of pieces of driftwood at the same beach that was as creative as some of these rock walls at the Wall. Gotta love the down time and the mothers of invention they can bring forward.

im thinking a cool palapa bar!

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I consider it the same as paint graffiti. Natural areas should not be spoiled by man-made structures. The sense of discovery is ruined when everywhere you go has natural landforms spoiled by man-made structures.

Quote: Originally posted by Lance S.

I suspect the mystery walls at Las Animas and farther south represent late Cochimi cultural adaptation. They were adapting Jesuit construction methods to Cochimi ceremony. The one on the coast is taller than it needs to be for livestock wouldn't you think? They could be a local variation of the geoglyphs around Agua Dulce. They are all on slopes and sometimes appear in pairs as at Las Animas. There is actually an outlying pair of those Agua Dulce style geoglyphs just inland from Bahia de Los Angeles.

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Quote: Originally posted by Lance S.   I suspect the mystery walls at Las Animas and farther south represent late Cochimi cultural adaptation. They were adapting Jesuit construction methods to Cochimi ceremony. The one on the coast is taller than it needs to be for livestock wouldn't you think? They could be a local variation of the geoglyphs around Agua Dulce. They are all on slopes and sometimes appear in pairs as at Las Animas. There is actually an outlying pair of those Agua Dulce style geoglyphs just inland from Bahia de Los Angeles. Ten years ago was another Lance here who shared glyphs with us... hmmm, welcome back? Quote: Originally posted by Lancesf Here are some coordinates again for Los Sauces. 29 21'18.21"N 114 44'48.70"W Three clustered together, if you follow the river west you will find two more. 29 21'59.33"N 114 44'27.60"W Two faded ones together. 29 20'36.12"N 114 43'54.96"W an older looking and smaller one Here are two more nearby 29 18'23.81"N 114 44'54.13"W (edited W for N) 29 18'12.63"N 114 44'35.29"W [Edited on 10-31-2012 by Lancesf]

Quote: Originally posted by surabi

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666   I consider it the same as paint graffiti. Natural areas should not be spoiled by man-made structures. The sense of discovery is ruined when everywhere you go has natural landforms spoiled by man-made structures. It's nothing like paint graffiti. Paint defaces things, is usually ugly, and has to be removed. Humans have been moving rocks around since time immemorial. Stacking rocks harms no one and nothing. And it's extremely unusual not to see signs of humans almost anywhere. So people do some cool artistic stacking of rocks on a beach- the plastic garbage that washes up on almost all beaches is 100 times more unnatural. Do you also object to the pyramids, the ancient ruin sites, the ancient stacked rock walls all over the world?

Rock piles built by stoned surfers from San Clemente are not archaeological treasures. They are litter/graffiti left by a$$hats. I enjoy kicking them over, fixing nature, when I find them in the wilderness.

Go hike in the popular wilderness areas,… you find that if one person stacks rocks, 300 lemmings come along later and leave more stacks. Kick ‘em over!




[Edited on 6-7-2022 by mtgoat666]

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Rock piles built by stoned surfers from San Clemente are not archaeological treasures. They are litter/graffiti left by a$$hats. I enjoy kicking them over, fixing nature, when I find them in the wilderness.

Quote: Originally posted by surabi

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666   Rock piles built by stoned surfers from San Clemente are not archaeological treasures. They are litter/graffiti left by a$$hats. I enjoy kicking them over, fixing nature, when I find them in the wilderness. The structures pictured on this thread are not "rock piles" - they take quite a bit of skill to construct. Rocks are "litter"??? Because they were moved from one place to another? Nothing is archeological treasure in its contemporary time. By your measure, cave paintings and rock carvings by ancient peoples are "graffiti". So you take pleasure in destroying someone else's creative endeavor? According to the mindset you espouse, you should be moving each of those rocks back to where it was. Instead you kick them over, as if that is restoring things to the way they were. The only ass**** is you.

People travel to remote areas to enjoy beauty of nature, and sense of undisturbed natural landscape. You a$$hats ruin it for others when you leave your stupid stacked rocks. If you want to stack rocks, do it in your backyard, not on public lands.

Leave no trace!

A$$hats!




[Edited on 6-7-2022 by mtgoat666]

Quote: Originally posted by Alm

Calling this art is a misnomer. People have built... something. They wanted to leave a mark, didn't care sh-t what others would think about it. Most of those others don't care sh-t, either. At least, it's not as huge as pyramids, and not as durable.

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote: Originally posted by surabi   Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666   I consider it the same as paint graffiti. Natural areas should not be spoiled by man-made structures. The sense of discovery is ruined when everywhere you go has natural landforms spoiled by man-made structures. It's nothing like paint graffiti. Paint defaces things, is usually ugly, and has to be removed. Humans have been moving rocks around since time immemorial. Stacking rocks harms no one and nothing. And it's extremely unusual not to see signs of humans almost anywhere. So people do some cool artistic stacking of rocks on a beach- the plastic garbage that washes up on almost all beaches is 100 times more unnatural. Do you also object to the pyramids, the ancient ruin sites, the ancient stacked rock walls all over the world? Rock piles built by stoned surfers from San Clemente are not archaeological treasures. They are litter/graffiti left by a$$hats. I enjoy kicking them over, fixing nature, when I find them in the wilderness. Go hike in the popular wilderness areas,… you find that if one person stacks rocks, 300 lemmings come along later and leave more stacks. Kick ‘em over! [Edited on 6-7-2022 by mtgoat666]

Quote: Originally posted by surabi

Humans have always created shelters, made firepits, etc, when out in the wilderness.......... Leave no trace means take all your garbage and whatever you packed in with you, with you when you leave. It doesn't mean you can't move some rocks or branches or leave some sign that you have been there using the materials found in that place.

Quote: Originally posted by Alm

Quote: Originally posted by surabi   Humans have always created shelters, made firepits, etc, when out in the wilderness.......... Leave no trace means take all your garbage and whatever you packed in with you, with you when you leave. It doesn't mean you can't move some rocks or branches or leave some sign that you have been there using the materials found in that place. Those are not shelters built out of necessity. They are exactly "some sign that you have been there" - ego stones, in the Goat's words.

Quote: Originally posted by surabi

Quote: Originally posted by Alm   Quote: Originally posted by surabi   Humans have always created shelters, made firepits, etc, when out in the wilderness.......... Leave no trace means take all your garbage and whatever you packed in with you, with you when you leave. It doesn't mean you can't move some rocks or branches or leave some sign that you have been there using the materials found in that place. Those are not shelters built out of necessity. They are exactly "some sign that you have been there" - ego stones, in the Goat's words. Some sociologists, anthropologists and historians would argue that the urge to create is a basic human drive, just as seeking food and shelter. Humans have been decorating the world around them forever. Seeing it as an expression of "ego", rather than simply enjoying a creative process, is ridiculous. In fact, there are birds and other animals which decorate their nests with found objects, and I doubt very much that it has anything to do with an inflated ego.

Have you been hiking in a popular park recently? Those stupid stacked rocks have taken over some spots like weeds. One person stacks rocks, then next 3,000,000 people are lemmings that do the same.

How Stone Stacking Wreaks Havoc on National Parks
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/rabbit-holes/people-are-st...





[Edited on 6-8-2022 by mtgoat666]

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote: Originally posted by surabi   Quote: Originally posted by Alm   Quote: Originally posted by surabi   Humans have always created shelters, made firepits, etc, when out in the wilderness.......... Leave no trace means take all your garbage and whatever you packed in with you, with you when you leave. It doesn't mean you can't move some rocks or branches or leave some sign that you have been there using the materials found in that place. Those are not shelters built out of necessity. They are exactly "some sign that you have been there" - ego stones, in the Goat's words. Some sociologists, anthropologists and historians would argue that the urge to create is a basic human drive, just as seeking food and shelter. Humans have been decorating the world around them forever. Seeing it as an expression of "ego", rather than simply enjoying a creative process, is ridiculous. In fact, there are birds and other animals which decorate their nests with found objects, and I doubt very much that it has anything to do with an inflated ego. Have you been hiking in a popular park recently? Those stupid stacked rocks have taken over some spots like weeds. One person stacks rocks, then next 3,000,000 people are lemmings that do the same. How Stone Stacking Wreaks Havoc on National Parks https://www.newyorker.com/culture/rabbit-holes/people-are-st... [Edited on 6-8-2022 by mtgoat666]

riddle me this, what kind of man is so lonely he resorts to arguing about "stacked rocks"???

Quote: Originally posted by surabi

By your way of thinking, there shouldn't be any signs put up by park rangers, either, cautioning people about dangers and park rules, or trail markers.

Not the same thing, stop being obtuse. You are as dumb as a box of rocks!

If you want to stack rock, do it in your yard and not on public lands.

Quote: Originally posted by Don Pisto

riddle me this, what kind of man is so lonely he resorts to arguing about "stacked rocks"???

I see you must be a Chuck Levitin fanboy

That ain’t me

Quote: Originally posted by hedley

Got a call late last night from the "Not today hippie" sticker company asking why I ordered stickers as he had received 80 plus orders in the last 2 days. Steered him to Baja Nomad. He is happy.

Quote: Originally posted by hedley

Got a call late last night from the "Not today hippie" sticker company asking why I ordered stickers as he had received 80 plus orders in the last 2 days. Steered him to Baja Nomad. He is happy.

do i get a commission?

frankly, i found the sticker funny, but would not buy one as it is a rip off of robert crumb.

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Do I get a commission?