BajaNomad - U.S. to Require Passports at Border Entry Points

U.S. to Require Passports at Border Entry Points

The Gull - 4-6-2005 at 12:41 PM

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-passpor...

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Terrorists will have only 2 1/2 more years to walk or drive across with phoney Drivers' Licenses. Bummer!

Imagine having to have a passport when one goes across the border to buy illegal drugs, steal FREON or otherwise destroy the local economy with our Gringo dollars. This is Big Brother at its finest hour.

Why stop at half measures? Protest this situation: Write the US Congress to close all ground crossing borders to only those who have gone through the Sentri Program. Redeploy the left over agents to watch the desert crossings.

What will Pres. Fox do with this one?

HotSchott - 4-6-2005 at 03:30 PM

What will Pres. Fox do with this one?

Ummm...Bring his green card?

Bruce R Leech - 4-6-2005 at 03:43 PM

I think it is a good move to require a passport to inter the country. it should have been that way all along. I don't know why they cant git it done in 6 months. it only takes about 10 days to git a passport.

Colin - 4-6-2005 at 04:12 PM

when does this go into effect? if i go down to baja in a couple weeks and come back with only a drivers liscense and a birth certificate, will I be stuck in baja FOREVER?

:?:

elgatoloco - 4-6-2005 at 04:15 PM

2008

woody with a view - 4-6-2005 at 04:17 PM

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if i go down to baja in a couple weeks and come back with only a drivers liscense and a birth certificate, will I be stuck in baja FOREVER?

WHAT? like that's a bad thing? :cool:

:moon:

Bruce R Leech - 4-6-2005 at 04:19 PM

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Originally posted by Colin
when does this go into effect? if i go down to baja in a couple weeks and come back with only a drivers liscense and a birth certificate, will I be stuck in baja FOREVER?

:?:

no such luck :lol:

STEAL Freon ???

MrBillM - 4-6-2005 at 04:37 PM

Who would do a thing like that ? I pay the going price for mine.

The Gull - 4-6-2005 at 05:35 PM

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Yes, you will be stuck in Baja if you stay until 2007. You might just want to read the article and find that for yourself.

The Gull - 4-6-2005 at 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
Who would do a thing like that ? I pay the going price for mine.

Not to offend, change to: "smuggle FREON"

One positive effect....

Tucker - 4-6-2005 at 05:47 PM

Is that it should cut down on the number of undesireable gringos wandering around down here.

FAT Chance

The Gull - 4-6-2005 at 10:26 PM

This is going to hit nightclubs/restaurants/hotels....

Hook - 4-8-2005 at 09:28 AM

....from Ensenada to TJ pretty hard, I would suspect.

More room at the bar at La Fonda? :light:

Less crazies in Rosarito Beach?

I can see some potential benefits from this for those of us who possess them.

I am in favor of it simply as a means of controlling our border.

Bruce R Leech - 4-8-2005 at 09:32 AM

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Originally posted by Tucker
Is that it should cut down on the number of undesireable gringos wandering around down here.

it might increase the number of crazes if they cant git back :lol:

mrchuck - 4-8-2005 at 07:13 PM

There are thousands on USA citizens who reside in Baja, and cannot get a US passport, due to the varied Law Enforcement Agencise that are looking for them.
Yep, their time in Mexico now is ticking.
No more hiding out "South of the Border".
Also they can't get Mexican FM-3's, since they have no passport presently.
Guess they will have to return back to the USA and try in find a place there.
Saludos,,,,mc

Bruce R Leech - 4-8-2005 at 07:26 PM

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Originally posted by mrchuck
There are thousands on USA citizens who reside in Baja, and cannot get a US passport, due to the varied Law Enforcement Agencise that are looking for them.
Yep, their time in Mexico now is ticking.
No more hiding out "South of the Border".
Also they can't get Mexican FM-3's, since they have no passport presently.
Guess they will have to return back to the USA and try in find a place there.
Saludos,,,,mc

Good I wish we could git all of the wet back Gringos out of Mexico.

Hadn't thought of that MR Chuck.....

Hook - 4-8-2005 at 08:40 PM

.... I wonder if we will have an, uh, amnesty program for those who have illegally fled their country.

Or maybe Mexico will grant them temporary guest status for as long as they continue to spend dollars.

Dark days ahead for families

The Gull - 4-8-2005 at 10:47 PM

Think of the 20-30,000 people who go to see the whales each year?

Think of the 10,000 bike riders who go twice per year to the Ens-Ros ride?

Think of the drunken brats and lowlife a**holes who frequent the bar scene each night in TJ.

Think of all the cretins who ruin Rosarito Beach at Spring Break.

...but then think of the occasional visitor with the family...I suspect many of us found out about Baja tha way.

No more spontaneous trips with the family?

Bruce R Leech - 4-9-2005 at 08:19 AM

the only problem is it is way to easy to git a passport. but we wont tell them that. :lol:

Dave - 4-9-2005 at 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by The Gull
Think of the 10,000 bike riders who go twice per year to the Ens-Ros ride?

Think of the drunken brats and lowlife a**holes who frequent the bar scene each night in TJ.

Think of all the cretins who ruin Rosarito Beach at Spring Break.

I'm thinking, and smiling.

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Originally posted by The Gull
...but then think of the occasional visitor with the family...I suspect many of us found out about Baja tha way.

No more spontaneous trips with the family?

A passport costs less than $10 per year. Anyone who can't afford that also can't afford the gas to drive down here.

backninedan - 4-9-2005 at 12:49 PM

Bruce, your correct, passports are easy and cheap. It wont take long for the travling family to have one for everybody in the household.

Bob and Susan - 4-9-2005 at 01:28 PM

Not cheap....

$97.00 plus pictures $7= $114 min

Let's say 4 people in the family...that's $456

That's extra money out of pocket....for vacation use

The DMV has more information than the passport agency who issues a passport....I guarantee that

This will hurt only the poor...and those are the people who travel across the border the most

A passport should not be required for our open borders.

Dave, I have to agree with Bob and Susan

The Gull - 4-9-2005 at 01:41 PM

and along with the cost, there is the element of applying and waiting for a passport. That does not encourage last minute planning, which is where the bulk of the visitors to your area of the peninsula came from.

Perhaps there will be the exception of persons under 18 with their parents will not have to have passports, because before they didn't have driver's licenses to show at the border.

I do not suspect that the risk of a child with a suicide bomb strapped to them is worth forcing all the children of part-time visitors to have to have passports. Time will tell.

[Edited on 4-9-2005 by The Gull]

[Edited on 4-9-2005 by The Gull]

bajalou - 4-9-2005 at 05:35 PM

For adults, the passport is good for 10 years so a onetime wait to get one should not bother the next 9 yr 10 months of spontaniety.

:biggrin:

Dave - 4-9-2005 at 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by Bob and Susan
This will hurt only the poor...and those are the people who travel across the border the most

And just who would these folks be? Remember we're talking about legally crossing the border.

Bob and Susan - 4-10-2005 at 08:38 AM

People who live in the US LEGALLY near the border.....

Drivers Lic has much more info and the database is updated all the time...
They get your fingerprint AND your picture at the same time.

A passport only shows that you MAY be a citizen of the US....

All you provided your own photo taken anywhere, and....( NOT to the actual Passport Agency but to an acceptance office which could be anyone) ...and a paper birth cert and an application....these people ARE NOT PROFESSIONALS!!!

Do you think the passport agency checks the birth cert to see if it's real...think again!!!

The address on the passport could be 10 years old....no way can you find someone with this....

It's just overkill to keep dollars in the country.

Sorry dave i'm tired today....

Hook - 4-12-2005 at 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by bajalou
For adults, the passport is good for 10 years so a onetime wait to get one should not bother the next 9 yr 10 months of spontaniety.

Most of the surfs I know will start to think about getting one but it will take nine years and ten months for them to get around to it. :lol:

Plenty o waves for old long boarders!!!!

backninedan - 4-12-2005 at 05:00 PM

BajaLou

Your dead on, its a bargain. Is it planned spontaniety? Maybe, but it beats the hell out of the alternative.

Calexicocarrera - 4-15-2005 at 03:34 PM

Crossing last week, I asked the border agent about the passport requirements. He said it starts Jan. 2006. I asked him if he was positive because I had heard 2007 or 2008. He said that was what they were being told.

Think this will cut traffic down at the crossings?

TMW - 4-15-2005 at 06:16 PM

I bring my passport with me everytime I cross the border. I use it to get my tourist visa. The address section on the passport is filled in by pencil so you can change your address when or if you move.

Tucker - 4-15-2005 at 08:04 PM

Bush Retraces Passport Plan Steps

WASHINGTON, April 14, 2005

(CBS/AP) President George W. Bush said Thursday he has ordered a review of plans to tighten border re-entry rules from Mexico and Canada because requiring passports for everyone could "disrupt the honest flow of traffic."

Mr. Bush said he has asked Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and officials from the Homeland Security Department to see whether more flexibility could be exercised.

The new rules, which would take effect in 2008, were included in intelligence legislation that Congress passed last year.

But this came to a surprise to Mr. Bush, CBS News Radio Correspondent Mark Knoller reports.

"I said 'What's going on here?' I thought there was a better way to expedite the legal flow of traffic and people," Mr. Bush said.

Mr. Bush says the passport regulation will disrupt the honest flow of traffic. He says he's asked the Departments of State and Homeland Security to see if there is some flexibility in the law.

Mr. Bush told the American Society of Newspaper Editors that this flexibility might include electronic fingerprint imaging "to serve as a so-called passport for daily traffic" to help speed up the process.

Americans would need passports to come home to the United States under guidelines proposed recently as part of an effort to deter terrorists from entering the country. The new rules apply to Americans traveling from Canada, Mexico, Bermuda, the Caribbean and Panama as well as citizens from those countries who want to enter the United States.

An estimated 60 million Americans have passports, about 20 percent of the nation's population.

"When I first read that in the newspaper about the need to have passports ? particularly the day crossings that take place, about a million for instance in the state of Texas ? I said, `What's going on here?"' Bush said when asked about the new rules.

"I thought there was a better way to expedite the legal flow of traffic and people," he said.

"If people have to have a passport, it's going to disrupt the honest flow of traffic. I think there's some flexibility in the law, and that's what we're checking out right now," he said.

"On the larger scale, we've got a lot to do to enforce the border," he said.

Mr. Bush has proposed immigration-liberalization legislation that would establish a guest-worker program, but it has encountered difficulty in Congress, particularly among Republicans from states along the Mexican border.

Around 10 million immigrants live in the United States illegally; most are from Mexico, with an additional million arriving every year.

"Now is the time for legal reforming of the immigration system," Bush said, and asked Congress to work with him.

"I have no illusions," he said. "This is a tough issue for people."

Dave - 4-15-2005 at 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by Tucker
(CBS/AP) President George W. Bush said Thursday he has ordered a review of plans to tighten border re-entry rules from Mexico and Canada because requiring passports for everyone could "disrupt the honest flow of traffic."

Mr. Bush said he has asked Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and officials from the Homeland Security Department to see whether more flexibility could be exercised.

This is a dead issue. It ain't gonna happen.

Debra - 4-16-2005 at 07:40 PM

This whole passport issue seems to be going the way of more confusion as it changes daily. Brendan's passport was expiring in Nov. so his father and I went down to the court house together to renew it....we were sent home to gather more paper work, more than was required since the last time, (you have to have a new one every 5 yrs. for children) we followed instructions, the next day we came armed with the new paperwork (being told that if we got it back that week we would avoid the new huge increase for the passport fee) We couldn't get back that next day as Brendan's Dad had to work late......sooooooo, the next day we did get back with the paperwork only to be told THEN that we needed to bring Brendan with us! HE'S 11! UGH!

Sooooo, Brendan's passport is expired, and it seems that the only problem that might occure when we try to cross into the USA is that he won't be allowed back into his own country. OH WELL.....we could get stuck in worse places :lol:

The Sculpin - 4-18-2005 at 09:58 AM

Every citizen should have a passport...period. It's the best and most universal form of identification both within and outside the country. It's part of the cost of being a responsible citizen. I think it's unconscionable for a US citizen, especially one who lives near any border, to not have a passport. Heck, I even have one from my native country as well!!

knuckleheads out

yankeeirishman - 4-18-2005 at 10:59 AM

Passports should had been required all along. Very few places in this world that doesnt require them. Besides...a requirement of this will keep most knuckleheads out of Mexico. Who needs the felons and lowlife at their favorite beach head? For the lost soles here that could use further information on getting a passport:

http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html