BajaNomad - NORRA 500 racer kills 8-year old boy

Sad. A poorly-maintained race vehicle on an unsafe track.
https://www.ensenada.net/noticias/nota.php?id=69437

http://**************.com/

Apparently, driver was driving a truck with failed brakes, and hit parked car on the public road.

Perhaps time to stop this chit… how many more innocents must die to entertain offroad fans?

[Edited on 10-1-2022 by mtgoat666]

don't ever quote Baja Racing News as a source...we all know who that jackazz is

sancho - 10-1-2022 at 04:15 PM

I'd be willing to bet the majority are right-wing "No one can tell me what to do" types.

100%, there is a common denominator among that crew.
Respect for the Tierra should be top priority. Not to mention
some in the Mex Govt. get $$$ to sign off on it

AKgringo - 10-1-2022 at 04:48 PM

Aside from an occasional "Let's go Brandon", do you really thing the racing crowd sits around and talks politics? That's for old farts on forums!

I'll bet most of them couldn't tell you who represents them in congress.

Bajazly - 10-1-2022 at 10:47 PM

Wow! took this thread only 4 posts to go down the political chithole.

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob

Sadly some motor sports folks think Mexico is their consequence free playground where anything goes.

A few do, most don't.

And off the rails we go.

I'd be willing to bet the majority are right-wing "No one can tell me what to do" types.

It seems as Baja has become so much more popular a destination for vacations and homes that the economic boost of the off-road races has substantially diminished over the last couple of decades.

John

[Edited on 10-1-2022 by John Harper]

So we outlaw desert racing that has been here for 55 years to make the new comers happy? If you buy a house at the end of the runway you can't b-tch about planes taking off and landing.

Quote: Originally posted by sancho

I'd be willing to bet the majority are right-wing "No one can tell me what to do" types.

100%, there is a common denominator among that crew.
Respect for the Tierra should be top priority. Not to mention
some in the Mex Govt. get $$$ to sign off on it

You are very wrong. Some people love offroading and offroad racing and have great respect for the world around us as well. Desert racing is not "go that way, make it to the finish line and get there anyway you can". All races are on established roads, albeit they are dirt, and to keep racers honest there are virtual check points you have to hit on the established roads to validate your race so driving willy nilly thru the desert is not really a thing.

"I'll bet most of them couldn't tell you who represents them in congress."

Nor read the Constitution, but since when has that ever stopped right-wingers from spouting off with their political opinions and what America supposedly stands for?

Pot, meet kettle. You're saying the exact same thing 180º to the left.

Everybody supposedly has the same rights and just because Lefty Liberal or Whitey Tighty is inconvenienced or doesn't like something doesn't mean it should be outlawed and done away with. Thats the problem in todays society, everything is so polarized and it's my way or the highway that nothing can get done anymore and everybody wants it their way.

Is it horrible an 8 year old got killed by a desert racer? Absolutely. Should we outlaw desert racing and offroading because of it? Absolutely not. Sometimes bad chit happens and ya know what, thats life and it sucks but if your answer to such things is outlaw everything that has a risk then I feel sorry for you and the world you want to live in.

And before you start bashing me as some RWNJ, just don't. I hate the GQP and Trump and all the freaks that make up that party with every fiber of my being but are they 100% wrong on everything they do? Absolutely not. And are the Lefty Liberals 100% right on everything they propose? Again, absolutely no. Both side have SOME good ideas on how a society could and should function and if everybody on both sides would take a breath and try to come to some compromises, like it used to be back in the good ole days, maybe, just maybe some things could be accomplished to benefit everyone and we could move on from all this bothsiderism bickering horsechit that is just getting more polarized and ridicules everyday.

Rant over, continue on as you were bashing desert racing, I'm going back to the mushroom growing forum where it's much more civil and completely apolitical.

mtgoat666 - 10-1-2022 at 11:01 PM

So we outlaw desert racing that has been here for 55 years to make the new comers happy? If you buy a house at the end of the runway you can't b-tch about planes taking off and landing.

Society had chosen to ban many activities that have a long history. A few example: adultery, murder, slavery, DDT, agent orange, etc.

A long history of being wrong does not make a right.

Times change.

John Harper - 10-2-2022 at 05:38 AM

So we outlaw desert racing that has been here for 55 years to make the new comers happy? If you buy a house at the end of the runway you can't bi-tch about planes taking off and landing.

That's not what I said at all. I said that economic development sometimes makes other activities less important to the Baja economy. There used to be several racetracks and airports in the Los Angeles area, changes to the economy and other activities (housing) have eliminated or consolidated those sectors of the old LA economy. I worked next to Ascot Park in the early 1990's just after it closed down for redevelopment.

Change happens, deal with it.

Part of your problem is the same one hunters (like me) have today. Less and less percent of the population hunt, so it's a slow loss of voting power for hunter's issues. Is big time off-road racing growing or declining as a sport? Is motocross growing or declining as a sport? Probably debatable, but I bet it's not as popular across the board as it was in the 60's, 70's and 80's when I grew up. Remember "On Any Sunday" and how popular it was across the US in 1971?

Here's some data:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/183549/us-sales-of-motor...

Looks like a big drop in motorcycle sales alone in 2007, that has not recovered as yet. Add in a much larger US population than 1970 and you can infer a bigger decline versus population.

Seems like the only fan base here on BN are over 60, am I right?

OTOH, look how important agriculture and viniculture have become for Baja over the last 50 years, with it's related supporting economies of hotels, restaurants, and tourism. I bet that sector alone contributes more to the economy than all the races run in one year combined.

No one builds hotels and restaurants based on 4 weeks a year of business.

You might be living in the past Mr. B.

John

[Edited on 10-2-2022 by John Harper]

mtgoat666 - 10-2-2022 at 06:57 AM

So we outlaw desert racing that has been here for 55 years to make the new comers happy? If you buy a house at the end of the runway you can't bi-tch about planes taking off and landing.

That's not what I said at all. I said that economic development sometimes makes other activities less important to the Baja economy. There used to be several racetracks and airports in the Los Angeles area, changes to the economy and other activities (housing) have eliminated or consolidated those sectors of the old LA economy. I worked next to Ascot Park in the early 1990's just after it closed down for redevelopment.

Change happens, deal with it.

Part of your problem is the same one hunters (like me) have today. Less and less percent of the population hunt, so it's a slow loss of voting power for hunter's issues. Is big time off-road racing growing or declining as a sport? Is motocross growing or declining as a sport? Probably debatable, but I bet it's not as popular across the board as it was in the 60's, 70's and 80's when I grew up. Remember "On Any Sunday" and how popular it was across the US in 1971?

Here's some data:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/183549/us-sales-of-motor...

Looks like a big drop in motorcycle sales alone in 2007, that has not recovered as yet. Add in a much larger US population than 1970 and you can infer a bigger decline versus population.

Seems like the only fan base here on BN are over 60, am I right?

OTOH, look how important agriculture and viniculture have become for Baja over the last 50 years, with it's related supporting economies of hotels, restaurants, and tourism. I bet that sector alone contributes more to the economy than all the races run in one year combined.

You might be living in the past Mr. B.

John

[Edited on 10-2-2022 by John Harper]

Sometimes the citizens decide that conservation is more important than a particular destructive activity.

The promoters stage races that kill spectators, and non-spectators. And society may decide that human life is worth more than a weekend of hotel bookings.

Tell the promoters to stage safe and less-destructive races, and perhaps society would be more accepting of races, eh?

Glidergeek - 10-2-2022 at 08:14 AM

"driver was driving a truck with failed brakes," I've read the news report three times and missed this account.? I did see "lost control due to a mechanical failure" (not specific) Goat are you speculating or have info not referenced here? That looks like a T bone collision.

[Edited on 10-2-2022 by Glidergeek]

SFandH - 10-2-2022 at 08:28 AM

Sometimes bad chit happens and ya know what, thats life and it sucks but if your answer to such things is outlaw everything that has a risk then I feel sorry for you and the world you want to live in.

I have an objection to this statement. Only the drivers should be at risk. If spectators are at risk then something needs to be changed. Especially in a case like this.

Lee - 10-2-2022 at 08:52 AM

I have an objection to this statement. Only the drivers should be at risk. If spectators are at risk then something needs to be changed. Especially in a case like this.

I’ll assume spectators are capable of making decisions and assessing risks in this race. You want a safer Baja.

Bajazly x2

DouglasP - 10-2-2022 at 08:59 AM

Wow! took this thread only 4 posts to go down the political chithole.

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob

Sadly some motor sports folks think Mexico is their consequence free playground where anything goes.

A few do, most don't.

And off the rails we go.

I'd be willing to bet the majority are right-wing "No one can tell me what to do" types.

So we outlaw desert racing that has been here for 55 years to make the new comers happy? If you buy a house at the end of the runway you can't b-tch about planes taking off and landing.

Quote: Originally posted by sancho

I'd be willing to bet the majority are right-wing "No one can tell me what to do" types.

100%, there is a common denominator among that crew.
Respect for the Tierra should be top priority. Not to mention
some in the Mex Govt. get $$$ to sign off on it

Bajazly--Nice post, succinct, written well and touched on all the right points. Agree 100%. Way more energy/time than I would waste on the closed minded goobs here, but nicely done.

John Harper - 10-2-2022 at 10:07 AM

Quote: Originally posted by DouglasP

Way more energy/time than I would waste on the closed minded goobs here, but nicely done.

Seems to me the only "closed minded goobs" on this thread are those that refuse to comprehend that times change. And not always in the way one would prefer, living in the past is easy comfort, no critical thinking required.

John

DouglasP - 10-2-2022 at 10:28 AM

Quote: Originally posted by DouglasP

Way more energy/time than I would waste on the closed minded goobs here, but nicely done.

OK.

SFandH - 10-2-2022 at 11:13 AM

I just read some Mexican news accounts. The accident was at kilometer 12 on the Ensenada - Ojos Negro highway section. The boy's father received a severe head injury and is in serious condition. The family is from the United States and was parked on the shoulder of the road.

So this off-road race accident did not happen off-road..........

https://www.elvigia.net/general/2022/10/1/tragedia-en-rally-...

You probably know this but if you want to find news stories in Spanish use Spanish search terms. Sort of obvious I guess.

I searched for NORRA 500 accidente

[Edited on 10-2-2022 by SFandH]

John Harper - 10-2-2022 at 11:19 AM

Personally, I find Baja off road races to be relatively benign and probably a boost to further tourism, IMO.

However, I also recognize that Baja has a lot more economic interests today than when I first followed the Baja 1000 in the late 60's, early 70's. What was Cabo like in 1972? 2022?

John

JZ - 10-2-2022 at 11:20 AM

The unusual suspects come out swinging, never letting a tragedy or crisis go to waste to further their agenda for more restrictions.

I swear they would ban any activity after someone gets hurt. They probably put bubble wrap on their kids, or just didn't let them out of the house to do anything fun.

[Edited on 10-2-2022 by JZ]

JZ - 10-2-2022 at 11:39 AM

Meanwhile, on two other Baja/Mexico related things, fentanyl is by far the number one killer of Americans under 45, but the same ppl won't say a damn word about that or the thousands of cases sex trafficking that is occurring by the MX cartels.

When Goat or any of the others starts a thread on stuff like that I'll take them seriously.

[Edited on 10-2-2022 by JZ]

willardguy - 10-2-2022 at 11:54 AM

well squirt two things, this thread is about off road racing not fentanyl or sex trafficking and raise your hand if you give two chits if JZ takes you seriously or not.

maspacificoII - 10-2-2022 at 12:24 PM

If this was an official race, sorry don't follow, a good part of the blame goes to the parents. I'm sure they've seen many races and what can happen. Too many spectators are so close to vehicles going over 50mph on uneven dirt, or airborne, that it's a miracle to me that this isn't an every event happening. I don't go down and watch anymore but when I did I was open mouthed astonished at the absolute stupidity of the spectators.
Pre racers and recreational marooons using established routes should be castrated if they hit someone.

JZ - 10-2-2022 at 12:41 PM

All my MX friends love offroad racing. Much more than I do actually.

surabi - 10-2-2022 at 01:05 PM

Meanwhile, on two other Baja/Mexico related things, fentanyl is by far the number one killer of Americans under 45, but the same ppl won't say a damn word about that or the thousands of cases sex trafficking that is occurring by the MX cartels.

When Goat or any of the others starts a thread on stuff like that I'll take them seriously.

[Edited on 10-2-2022 by JZ]

The only reason you start threads on topics like that is as an opportunity to "woke libs" bash.

And as far as "all my Mexican friends" loving off-road racing, it pretty much goes without saying that of course those are the type of Mexicans you would be friends with. I doubt you would be friends with any "woke, liberal" Mexicans. You probably aren't even aware that they exist.

SFandH - 10-2-2022 at 01:06 PM

The car was parked on the shoulder of the highway at KM 12 just before an entrance to a landfill. The info is in the article I posted. All articles say the race car driver lost control of his car.

Skipjack Joe - 10-2-2022 at 01:22 PM

This is not surprising given how many videos I've seen over the years of people dodging these vehicles or of loss of control resulting in them running over and through tents of onlookers.

I also believe that part of the Mexican culture likes this sort of thing. c-ck fighting, bull fighting, wild out of control races. Mexicans like a strong adrenaline rush. They party often and hard. And they often drink to a point of reckless behavior. I think it's part of their culture. Even their music is harsh and brassy. So this type of entertainment is right down their alley.

surabi - 10-2-2022 at 03:08 PM

I think this is true, but I'm glad you qualified it in the first sentence with "part" of the Mexican culture, as long as you meant "some" or "many" Mexicans.

Because it is by no means all. I know plenty of Mexicans who dislike loud music, hate the harsh and brassy type of music, and will even phone the cops to complain about an over-the-top wild party going on at night when most people sleep, or will organize to get some venue that blasts music at ear-splitting decibel levels shut down. They also don't appreciate loud fireworks. It's an error to assume that things are "Mexican culture", as that can vary greatly according to area, level of education, age, individuals, etc.

It's like being from some little redneck town in the US, or anywhere, and never having travelled outside that area. Just because there's a certain culture there that involves a lot of drinking, racist "jokes" and toting guns around doesn't mean that's "American culture".

Years ago when I was building my house, the carpenter who installed my kitchen cabinetry drove up with his stereo on, and I thought I'd end up having to listen to banda all day or ask him to turn it off. But he had lovely music- Peruvian flute, Cuban salsa and other nice stuff. When I commented on how good his CDs were, and that I was used to the locals blasting banda, and how every song sounded the same, he said, "Oh, I hate that stuff". And he wasn't some university graduate from the city, he was also a small town guy, from another little town 20 minutes away.

[Edited on 10-2-2022 by surabi]

JZ - 10-2-2022 at 03:11 PM

I also believe that part of the Mexican culture likes this sort of thing. c-ck fighting, bull fighting, wild out of control races. Mexicans like a strong adrenaline rush. They party often and hard. And they often drink to a point of reckless behavior. I think it's part of their culture. Even their music is harsh and brassy. So this type of entertainment is right down their alley.[/rquote]

I think this is true, but I'm glad you qualified it in the first sentence with "part" of the Mexican culture, as long as you meant "some" or "many" Mexicans.

Because it is by no means all. I know plenty of Mexicans who dislike loud music, hate the harsh and brassy type of music, and will even phone the cops to complain about an over-the-top wild party going on at night when most people sleep, or will organize to get some venue that blasts music at ear-splitting decibel levels shut down. They also don't appreciate loud fireworks. It's an error to assume that things are "Mexican culture", as that can vary greatly according to area, level of education, age, individuals, etc.

Years ago when I was building my house, the carpenter who installed my kitchen cabinetry drove up with his stereo on, and I thought I'd end up having to listen to banda all day or ask him to turn it off. But he had lovely music- Peruvian flute, Cuban salsa and other nice stuff. When I commented on how good his CDs were, and that I was used to the locals blasting banda, and how every song sounded the same, he said, "Oh, I hate that stuff". And he wasn't some university graduate from the city, he was also a small town guy, from another little town 20 minutes away.

So you are the type of Gringa who moves to Mexico and tries to change how Mexicans live?

surabi - 10-2-2022 at 03:21 PM

So you are the type of Gringa who moves to Mexico and tries to change how Mexicans live?

Ah- drawing yet more erroneous and stupid conclusions based on your poor reading comprehension, I see.

No, I'm the type of gringa who knows that Mexicans do not appreciate gringos making assumptions about what constitutes "Mexican culture", based solely upon the Mexicans they may happen to know, or the relatively small area of Mexico they happen to hang out in or live.

Not something I'd expect you to understand, given that you have tried to depict deadbeat or absent fathers as being an inherent part of "Black culture".

[Edited on 10-2-2022 by surabi]

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[Edited on 10-2-2022 by surabi]

SFandH - 10-2-2022 at 03:56 PM

Mexicans like a strong adrenaline rush. They party often and hard. And they often drink to a point of reckless behavior. I think it's part of their culture. Even their music is harsh and brassy. So this type of entertainment is right down their alley.

You could easily replace your first word "Mexicans" with "Many people around the world".

John Harper - 10-2-2022 at 04:02 PM

You could easily replace your first word "Mexicans" with "Many people around the world".

Hell, that sounds like most Americans. Except for the mass shootings and widespread drug use.

John

[Edited on 10-2-2022 by John Harper]

SFandH - 10-2-2022 at 04:13 PM

Certainly more than a few of my college days.

surabi - 10-2-2022 at 04:59 PM

I attended a birthday party of a friend from Mexico City once in Canada, where she was living. Among the party guests were many Latinos she knew in the area- other Mexicans, Columbians, Peruvians. I struck up a conversation with a young Mexican woman who was married to a Canadian and asked if she goes back to Mexico often, to which she replied, yes, they go visit her family every year. I asked her how she experienced Mexico after living in Canada. She said, "Noisy!" I asked her if she liked that, and she said no, not really.
So then I asked her why it seemed that Mexicans liked things so loud, and she said, in a quite puzzled way, "I really don't know".

A lot of "cultural" things continue simply because no one has ever questioned it, it's just always been like that.

Another anecdote- an old man who often does machete work for my neighbor was walking up the road one day towards town, and I asked him if he wanted a ride. He got in, and then said, "Oh, your cigarettes are on the floor" and picked the package up. I said it was an empty pack, and he said "It's garbage?" and made a motion as if to throw it out the window. I said yes, it's garbage, but please don't throw it out the window. Then, knowing that many Mexicans, especially the old folks, are quite religious, I said, "Look around, Valentin, isn't this a beautiful world God gave us, the blue sky, the green trees, the ocean, the birds and butterflies?" " Oh, yes", he says. "You know, every time people throw their garbage wherever they happen to be, it's disrespecting this beautiful world we were given".
He sat there for a minute thinking and then said, "You know, I never thought about it like that before".

And a guy who is a neighbor's steady worker, told me one day when he was working for me that "Lisa", the neighbor, who is an environmentally aware, educated Mexican, had taught him why it isn't okay to just drop your garbage everywhere, and that he now no longer does that.
Many things we may think of as cultural are simply the result of lack of education, but just because someone lacks formal education doesn't mean they are stupid, nor is there any reason to preserve "cultural" attitudes which are actually detrimental to everyone and the planet.

[Edited on 10-3-2022 by surabi]

JZ - 10-2-2022 at 05:05 PM

You could easily replace your first word "Mexicans" with "Many people around the world".

I've owned rental property in Mexico. I can tell you for sure there is a difference.

willardguy - 10-2-2022 at 05:16 PM

DK and JZ wouldn't fib to us would they?? :lol:

surabi - 10-2-2022 at 06:11 PM

I've owned rental property in Mexico. I can tell you for sure there is a difference.

Is that like you know all about Black culture and can't possibly be racist because you dated a Black girl in college?

[Edited on 10-3-2022 by surabi]

mtgoat666 - 10-2-2022 at 10:39 PM

The child died several days ago. And still no news release from NORRA…

Have you noticed that when people die at these races the promoters go silent, not even a simple news release expressing sympathy…

pacificobob - 10-3-2022 at 05:42 AM

I seriously doubt jizzy's Mexican "friends " aren't benefiting from the relationship financially.

John Harper - 10-3-2022 at 05:48 AM

Have you noticed that when people die at these races the promoters go silent, not even a simple news release expressing sympathy…

I tried repeatedly to contact a PR person from SCORE last year. Never got a response to several emails sent to at least three contacts I found online.

I would imagine these organizations are primarily run by a few rich folks with lots of access to lawyers. Like yacht racing. Duping the gullible into thinking it's some kind of middle class sport so they'll buy parts for their street trucks to emulate their heroes.

John

John Harper - 10-3-2022 at 05:52 AM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy

DK and JZ wouldn't fib to us would they?? :lol:

If you are so gullible and misinformed that you don't know you are telling a lie, is it a lie?

Does a tree falling in the forest make a sound, if no one is there to hear it?

John

mtgoat666 - 10-3-2022 at 06:44 AM

You could easily replace your first word "Mexicans" with "Many people around the world".

I've owned rental property in Mexico. I can tell you for sure there is a difference.

How does owning rental property in Mexico make you skilled at stereotyping Mexicans?

John Harper - 10-3-2022 at 07:42 AM

You could easily replace your first word "Mexicans" with "Many people around the world".

I've owned rental property in Mexico. I can tell you for sure there is a difference.

How does owning rental property in Mexico make you skilled at stereotyping Mexicans?

He probably uses a Mexican property management company, and has never interacted with his tenants.

John

John Harper - 10-3-2022 at 07:47 AM

If you are so gullible and misinformed that you don't know you are telling a lie, is it a lie?

I allege not ("to lie" includes intent to deceive).
Sure affects one's credibility though. And prestige. :light:

As George Costanza from Seinfeld said, "Jerry, it's not a lie if you believe it".

John

surabi - 10-3-2022 at 08:25 AM

"Jerry, it's not a lie if you believe it".

Quite disturbing and dangerous that so many people these days seem to think that's not meant to be a joke. The judge in the Alex Jones trial had to continually point out that just because he believed something was true didn't mean he could present it as if it were fact. Something most people learn as children.

[Edited on 10-3-2022 by surabi]

willardguy - 10-3-2022 at 09:37 AM

George the marine biologist....we got a couple here that have taken telling whoppers to an art form, at least one of them has the decency to spread their filthy lies over at the OT :rolleyes:

[Edited on 10-3-2022 by willardguy]

Don Pisto - 10-3-2022 at 10:34 AM

The child died several days ago. And still no news release from NORRA…

Have you noticed that when people die at these races the promoters go silent, not even a simple news release expressing sympathy…

getting back to the accident now im reading that allegedly NORRA officials are saying the driver suffered a heart attack and veered into on coming traffic. NORRA did release this:“Yesterday a NORRA race team lost one of its members due to injuries sustained in a tragic accident during a highway transit stage of the NORRA 500,” reads a statement from NORRA posted Saturday. “Racers and teams are the heart of our extended NORRA family. NORRA’s thoughts and heartfelt condolences go out to all involved.”

so we still don't know

SFandH - 10-3-2022 at 10:50 AM

I'm interested in the details and have been reading the Mexican press. I haven't found anything new since the 1/2 dozen or so original news accounts. One did say the driver was arrested, so who knows?

Unlimited Truck 1464 - Matthew Legg - Cowbell Racing

[Edited on 10-3-2022 by SFandH]

SFandH - 10-3-2022 at 10:56 AM

getting back to the accident now im reading that allegedly NORRA officials are saying the driver suffered a heart attack and veered into on coming traffic.

Oncoming traffic? On a race course?

You happen to have a link to that announcement? I was unable to find it on the NORRA website.

All accounts in the Mexican press are saying the family was parked off the side of the road. Indications are at a highway turnoff to a landfill.

surabi - 10-3-2022 at 10:59 AM

Sounds like a whitewash. And how indecent of them to issue a statement that did not acknowedge the child's death as well as the driver's, and offer condolences.

SFandH - 10-3-2022 at 11:41 AM

Sounds like a whitewash. And how indecent of them to issue a statement that did not acknowedge the child's death as well as the driver's, and offer condolences.

I have not read a single news report saying the driver died. The child died and his father was seriously injured. I did read a news report saying the driver was arrested.

mtgoat666 - 10-3-2022 at 02:57 PM

what is your source for NORRA statement? (why do people post purported quotes on the internet without providing citation or link to source?)

mtgoat666 - 10-3-2022 at 03:04 PM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy

don't ever quote Baja Racing News as a source...we all know who that jackazz is

i dont know who is behind that website. it does look like Doug deleted my link,... so he/she must be on the bad-nomad list

baja-chris - 10-3-2022 at 03:10 PM

The accident took place during the transit of the race vehicles from Ensenada to the start of the first stage of the rally race. Yes a race vehicle was involved but it was not while it was racing, it was on the way to start the race. Not that it makes any difference, just pointing this out.

The boy that died was standing outside the chase truck which was hit, the boy's father and daughter were injured. The race truck that hit them was their team. (The injured father was listed as a register driver of the race truck that stuck them). Very very sad.

[Edited on 10-3-2022 by baja-chris]

JZ - 10-3-2022 at 05:02 PM

So it was a very unfortunate accident not even involving racing?

But some ppl pile on before the facts come out and try to use a crisis to drive some change that matches with their ideology. That seems to happen a lot.

[Edited on 10-4-2022 by JZ]

freediverbrian - 10-3-2022 at 06:15 PM

Facts ???? Come on this forum is all about politics and rhetoric not facts.

John Harper - 10-4-2022 at 06:01 AM

So it was a very unfortunate accident not even involving racing?

But some ppl pile on before the facts come out and try to use a crisis to drive some change that matches with their ideology. That seems to happen a lot.

Facts never stopped you from fomenting an opinion, Captain Covid.

John

mtgoat666 - 10-4-2022 at 06:16 AM

So it was a very unfortunate accident not even involving racing?

Oh, it involved racing, it happened to a racer and his crew during the race (transit stretch), so involved racing.
I have observed racers and their crews driving aggressively before, during and after races, more often than not. Have you ever seen a racer drive slowly during a transit stretch during a race?

Remember, ALL accidents are avoidable.

[Edited on 10-4-2022 by mtgoat666]

John Harper - 10-4-2022 at 07:42 AM

Yes, and people are human!

That's not what Q told me. There are lizard people among us.

John

Who is Q?

AKgringo - 10-4-2022 at 08:10 AM

I don't know what you are seeing, but that video is "unavailable" on my feed (Starlink)

John Harper - 10-4-2022 at 08:26 AM

Not that Q. This one.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-12-07/how-qano...

John

AKgringo - 10-4-2022 at 09:28 AM

David, it is still "unavailable" for me. Perhaps it has something to do with my location, Todos Santos?

Oddly enough, I was able to read John's link to Q Anon (at least as much as I wanted to) without subscribing.

Don Pisto - 10-4-2022 at 09:48 AM

John, your link requires one to subscribe to the L.A. Times to view content.

Might be your experience, but I can see it just fine, and I've never subscribed to the L.A. times.

I guess you're just special. :saint:

yup, no problemo

surabi - 10-4-2022 at 10:26 AM

AK, it is a link to YouTube... here that link is without the Nomad tags to show on the forum: https://youtu.be/muE9NKeWrgY

[Edited on 10-4-2022 by David K]

Both your original posting of the video and your link are "unavailable".

Don Pisto - 10-4-2022 at 10:46 AM

some kind of Star Trek nonsense?

John Harper - 10-4-2022 at 10:58 AM

Perhaps DK has been assimilated by the Borg?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtEaR1JU-ps

John

[Edited on 10-4-2022 by John Harper]

surabi - 10-4-2022 at 11:29 AM

some kind of Star Trek nonsense?

Is he really too clueless to know what the Q reference was, or just playing dumb?

[Edited on 10-4-2022 by surabi]

JZ - 10-4-2022 at 11:47 AM

The only Q I know is from the James Bond flicks. Just recently watched all the Daniel Craig movies. And now started Sean Connery's.

surabi - 10-4-2022 at 11:50 AM

"My individual experience base"? You'd have to be living under a rock for the past few years not to know what Q referred to in the context it was mentioned.

And that's what "clueless" means.

SFandH - 10-4-2022 at 11:54 AM

some kind of Star Trek nonsense?

The video, yes. It's a Star Trek clip and that's probably the reason it won't play if you have a Mexican IP address. It's not unusual for Youtube videos to be blocked in Mexico. I think it's a copyright/distribution restriction.

[Edited on 10-4-2022 by SFandH]

John Harper - 10-4-2022 at 11:57 AM

The only Q I know is from the James Bond flicks. Just recently watched all the Daniel Craig movies. And now started Sean Connery's.

Do you really expect us to believe you've never heard of Q or QAnon? I thought you were the smartest guy in the room? Tucker has done several stories on them, no way you missed that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/26/tucker-ca...

John

[Edited on 10-4-2022 by John Harper]

John Harper - 10-4-2022 at 12:04 PM

"My individual experience base"? You'd have to be living under a rock for the past few years not to know what Q referred to in the context it was mentioned.

And that's what "clueless" means.

+1

John

sancho - 10-4-2022 at 12:18 PM

I thought you were the smartest guy in the room? Tucker has done several stories on them, no way you missed that.

Funny Stuff

surabi - 10-4-2022 at 01:08 PM

I'll second that. And then sneaking in an "unbiased reporting" plug for his uber-right BS site after saying the thread should stick to the topic, real cute.

surabi - 10-4-2022 at 05:04 PM

So far, has anyone else removed their off topic replies... or am I the only honorable one to respect the death of a child here?

Has NORRA come out with a statement expressing condolences to the family to show respect? Their only statement I've seen quoted was about the death of the driver who killed the child. As far as I'm aware, they just carried on with the race as if nothing had happened.

That's a lot more disrespectful than some off-topic posts on an internet forum.

[Edited on 10-5-2022 by surabi]

David K - 10-4-2022 at 05:08 PM

Why are you asking me...? I was not there and I am not a NORRA member. I read that the accident happened BEFORE the rally (not a race) began.

surabi - 10-4-2022 at 08:01 PM

Their only statement I've seen quoted was about the death of the driver who killed the child.

From everything I've read so far, the "member of the team" for whom they were expressing their condolences, was the child, who was the son of the support vehicle owner whose vehicle got hit.

If you have evidence that the race truck driver died, please present it.

No, I have no evidence- it was just from some news report, but it seems there have been conflicting reports.

This is the statement that was quoted upthread:
"“Yesterday a NORRA race team lost one of its members due to injuries sustained in a tragic accident during a highway transit stage of the NORRA 500,” reads a statement from NORRA posted Saturday."

Since when is an 8 year old a member of a "race team"?

bajadogs - 10-4-2022 at 08:02 PM

I have a big folder full of screenshots of DavidKs vile posts. He is the ultimate troll and why I don't participate like I used to. I have proof as to what a troll he is and he even admits it, (bragged about it this morning) It's frustrating because he does not have to be such a DK. But he will troll.

8 year old boy died. That's more important than DK but he makes it about himself. fudk

surabi - 10-4-2022 at 08:05 PM

I read that the accident happened BEFORE the rally (not a race) began.

NORRA is referring to "race teams".

And what does it matter if they were in transit before the rally or race or whatever you want to call it. It was one of their drivers who hit the child.

Ateo - 10-4-2022 at 08:23 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajadogs

I have a big folder full of screenshots of DavidKs vile posts. He is the ultimate troll and why I don't participate like I used to. I have proof as to what a troll he is and he even admits it, (bragged about it this morning) It's frustrating because he does not have to be such a DK. But he will troll.

8 year old boy died. That's more important than DK but he makes it about himself. fudk

Agree with you about not participating like you used to.....same with me. JZ and DK just make me so angry with political crud that I don't even wanna visit this site anymore.

Skipjack Joe - 10-4-2022 at 08:48 PM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy

DK and JZ wouldn't fib to us would they?? :lol:

If you are so gullible and misinformed that you don't know you are telling a lie, is it a lie?

Does a tree falling in the forest make a sound, if no one is there to hear it?

John

No I don't believe it does. It produces compression waves but it takes a receptor that interprets them as sound for them to be a sound. Sounds become sounds in the receiver, not the emitter. I think I'm on thin ice with this one.

Skipjack Joe - 10-4-2022 at 09:08 PM

Remember that video last year of the guy doing wheelies in front of the steps of the mission of San Ignacio? There were parked cars on either side and people in the plaza. "They're just have a little fun". This "accident" was just waiting to happen. And it did. Races should be confined to racetracks. NORRA's (or whatever it's called) days are limited in Baja.

JDCanuck - 10-5-2022 at 12:00 AM

Some place i read the vehicle that was hit was a "chase team", whatever that is. Maybe someone here can clear that up?

https://www.thecheckeredflag.co.uk/2022/10/child-killed-othe...

[Edited on 10-5-2022 by JDCanuck]

mtgoat666 - 10-5-2022 at 06:26 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck

Some place i read the vehicle that was hit was a "chase team", whatever that is. Maybe someone here can clear that up?

https://www.thecheckeredflag.co.uk/2022/10/child-killed-othe...

[Edited on 10-5-2022 by JDCanuck]

“Chase team” are the beer-drinkin roadies and groupies that follow the racers. The are easy to spot in the field, as they drink a lot, and as they are wanna-be racers themselves, they drive like aggressive jerks endangering all on the highways and smaller roads. They are all convinced that full size pickups are sports cars. Thoughtless people, dangerous to be around.

PaulW - 10-5-2022 at 06:34 AM

Chase team?
The chase team is the team that follows the racer for support. This chase truck that was hit apparently was parked close the the highway. And the race truck drove into the parked truck. I would estimate that every racer has at least one chase team to follow them from start to finish.
The tragedy did not occur on the race track or course as the race truck was on the way on the highway heading to the race start.

Would I ever expose my kids to such a danger?

AKgringo - 10-5-2022 at 07:41 AM

Absolutely! Unless some further "facts" are reported that indicate gross negligence, this should be considered a tragic accident.

I am thankful that my parents included large slices of adventure in my childhood, and have tried to carry on the tradition with my children, and grandchildren.

The survivors of that accident have had their lives changed in a terrible way, but eliminating all risk from a family's life would be neither desirable, or even possible.

I am not in favor of "anything goes" racing, but it does not sound like this was even that sort of incident.

mtgoat666 - 10-5-2022 at 08:07 AM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo

I am not in favor of "anything goes" racing, but it does not sound like this was even that sort of incident.

All accidents are avoidable.
Obviously, the driver was driving too fast and/or inattentively — nothing else explains hitting a parked car and pedestrian.

Having seen many racers and chase trucks “transiting” in baja, it is very common that they drive too fast and in unsafe manner.

All accidents are avoidable.

AKgringo - 10-5-2022 at 08:40 AM

All accidents are avoidable.

In hindsight, all accidents could have been avoided! Not knowing what the immediate future holds is why there are accidents.

BajaNomad - 10-5-2022 at 09:51 AM