near the mouth of Arroyo Santa Maria (not far from Las Palmitas spring) is a mysterious trail
mysterious because I can't really figure where it is connecting to
Attachment: mysterious trail.kmz (3kB) This file has been downloaded 163 timesDavid K - 11-15-2022 at 10:36 PM
Not knowing what direction your map is facing, but I think it is a trail to the bay where the warehouse is, from the Camino Real??4x4abc - 11-15-2022 at 11:15 PM
trail does not go in the direction of the warehouse
there is another trail that aims in that direction
David K - 11-16-2022 at 08:11 AM
Is it the white trail in the second image? Clearly, it goes towards the warehouse, rounding a hill and connecting with another trail to it.
Why not tell us what you think its purpose is. Maybe just a rancher's cattle trail, post-mission. Or, maybe one used by miners?
Some of the yellow lines are now auto roads. I drove them looking for the onyx-soda spring.
4x4abc - 11-16-2022 at 08:44 AM
it looks dozer made
I have no idea why
maybe one of the Fred Hampe works?
missionaries used a different trail to connect to the warehouse
David K - 11-16-2022 at 11:04 AM
The cargo trail was to the north, established by request of Padre Serra following his visit to the 'Antelope Spring' and was to serve the new San
Fernando mission, as it bipassed Santa María totally.
It is on the Benchmark Atlas Map, shown as a branch of Historic El Camino Real.
4x4abc - 11-16-2022 at 12:44 PM
then let's call it the southern cargo trail
it is there
it has been used
and it is part of the ECR networkDavid K - 11-16-2022 at 02:09 PM
it is there
it has been used
and it is part of the ECR network
I dont think you have enough evidence to call this part of the ECR network. GE images are very poor substitute for ground inspection. There are
literally hundreds of thousands of cattle trails that look just like this on GE. The original ecr maps are poor quality and cannot be matched to GE.
Also, the term ECR is very eurocentric and does not reflect origins of the trails. The trails used by early settlers were almost all pre-existing
trails established by indigenous peoples. The trail system should not be named after the euros that caused genocide of the trail creators. 4x4abc - 11-16-2022 at 06:15 PM
well, Camino Real was the first assigned name for the trail network the Jesuits used
sure it was based on existing animal and human trails
but the Jesuits made it uniquely theirs
they often created new trail sections for a more direct line of travel to their destinations, using terrain that had not been previously used by
animals or Indigenes
4x4abc - 11-16-2022 at 07:24 PM
Camino Real in the style of a public transportation map
they often created new trail sections for a more direct line of travel to their destinations, using terrain that had not been previously used by
animals or Indigenes
Doubtful. Water sources and paths of least resistance were discovered by original peoples. There were not quaint little padres scouting new routes,
being altruistic to the natives. The padres were brutal: they used slave labor to improve existing paths, build missions.
The padres were religious zealots that waged genocide, and stamped out existing cultures in gods name. The catholic church rivaled hitler for pure
evil. Everything the church built was by slavery. The Spanish and their church did a holocaust in Mexico, and baja.
Veneration of the ecr and missions is like venerating N-zi concentration camps.
[Edited on 11-17-2022 by mtgoat666]4x4abc - 11-16-2022 at 07:54 PM
simple societies create trails/roads for 2 reasons
food or water
more advanced cultures look beyond the next water hole or hunting ground
they connect population centers
that's what the padres did
creating a trail network beyond the local tribes' territory
and they would create a new trail when the native trail was to complicated to improve
The El Cajon section of the Santa Maria trail is a perfect example
the Indian trail at the bottom of the canyon is a beautiful hiking trail
but it is not suited for pack animals
so a new trail was built high up on the cliff
there is no evidence that that route had been used previously
there is nothing up there that would interest humans or animals
about genocide, religion, slavery etc. - you are part of a society that mastered those very well. So, let's stay on the trail.
