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Mexicali East Driving

PaulW - 10-2-2023 at 11:26 AM

Mexicali crossing – Finding a good route after 20 years of experience.
Going South –
Always choose the non-declare gate. If an inspection is required, the border person will make a lane for you to park in. If you need an FMM ask for instructions and directions, then walk a short distance to the office. Pay the agent. No bank is required. Nowadays they use credit cards.



Driving south from the gates:
There are two choices the Google map choice and the city traffic avoidance route = East route.
I highly recommend the later which uses a left turn at the border exit onto the main boulevard then traveling east – south - west- south. This applies any time of the day due to easier drive. During busy times the left turn requires crossing the heavy traffic lane heading north. See the map.
Going north –
It is more complicated because during high traffic times morning and evening It gets tricky. During mid-day with light traffic both ways described will work, but some require hard turns or U turns to enter the border.
Again, there are two main choices the Google map choice and the city traffic avoidance route = East route.
Google maps only works for Sentri/Ready during high traffic. The reason is during high traffic you cannot enter Standard without driving east down the boulevard until you can make a U turn and enter the east route.
If you follow the East route, you will find you cannot make the right turn into the Sentri/Ready land either because of traffic or because a cop will wave you westbound. Going westbound past the border you will have to make a U turn to get into the left lane the Sentri/Ready. That lane eventually turns left into the border. During high traffic this way may no be [possible due to the long lines.
The East route is best and required for standard entry. See the map.
Northbound it is required to use Standard and as you approach the gate use the Right Lane.
Folks with trailers are required to use Standard far left (east) Lane. The only trailer seen in the Sentri are small utility ones. Don’t try it with a big one. The lane is narrow and the exit from the gate requires a hard right.
Overall map view explanation:
Green is Google Maps leading to Sentri/Ready. Blue is East route to Sentri/Ready. Red is East route to Standard.

And images near the border



The image above shows the two routes.
Use the Sentri/Ready path and get in the left lane when you turn east to allow a left turn into the border lanes. There are two lanes provided for S/R is the left lane is Sentry and right lane is Ready.
The Standard entry lane follows the truck route. And makes an easy right turn into a single border lane. That lane is now a generous single lane as it is too narrow for two lanes. Big improvement. As you all should know by now this is the only crossing for trailers and Motorhomes. If you do not follow these directions and try to turn into Standard Lane with a west approach you will have to go a long way to find a U-turn. Likewise, there is a cop that will prevent you from entering S/R lanes when the approach is from the truck route.

BTW, going southbound when using the truck route watch for the new sign “Rio Hardy -5”. There is a San Felipe sign that is dark and hard to read. Short left turn lane. Southbound following the S/R route is straightforward with no need for signage. Using the S/R route avoids left turn to follow the truck route at the busy intersection at the border exit.



The image above is self seems clear enough. When you get to the inspection station find one for Sentri and hardly any vehicles. The Ready Lane is full of vehicles and there are 4+ inspection stations. The Standard line opens to two lines and two inspection stations. Sometimes they open and extra lane for motorcycles – left of standard lanes. Rigs pulling small trailers have been observed in both lanes. The right lane is miserably slow.
Be aware there are new height limitations going north. The only lanes with no height restriction are the two lanes to the right (east side) used for buses and motorhomes. I do not know the clearances. I have been told it is less than 7 feet. That means a lifted truck will not fit. Do not expect the height limitation to be posted on the Mexican side.











mtgoat666 - 10-2-2023 at 12:04 PM

I have always found mexicali west port of entry to be fine for me going southbound. I am usually going south late morning and traffic is always fine for me. I do prefer mexicali east for northbound travel, as border line wait time seems to be shorter.

David K - 10-2-2023 at 12:22 PM

Thanks Paul!

Udo - 10-2-2023 at 03:37 PM

Very nice paul!

I'll save this so I can share it on FB.

floydo - 10-24-2023 at 01:31 PM

Don't know why, but northbound for the past 5 years or so I've used the sentri turn coming from the east low traffic route and taken the hard right. That said, I've never seen police at the intersection.
I guess if you get waved, then it is the u turn into the turn lane eastbound.....
Hmmmm...
Nice post Paul!

[Edited on 10-24-2023 by floydo]

PaulW - 10-24-2023 at 04:34 PM

From what I can tell cops present depends on time of day. I usually hit the border early in the morning going north and mid afternoon going south. For those times of day the cops are diligent in controlling the turns.


Quote: Originally posted by floydo  
Don't know why, but northbound for the past 5 years or so I've used the sentri turn coming from the east low traffic route and taken the hard right. That said, I've never seen police at the intersection.
I guess if you get waved, then it is the u turn into the turn lane eastbound.....
Hmmmm...
Nice post Paul!

[Edited on 10-24-2023 by floydo]

laventana - 10-24-2023 at 05:23 PM

For Mexicali heading north to either east or west port of entrys, how accurate are the Border Sentri wait times on the Gov website.

I have a sentri pass now. Before the ready and general were anywhere from 2-4 times longer if it showed 1 hour from my experiences. Last time I crossed in May before I received my Sentri pass I went Otay it showed 1 hour it was 4 hours.

Also thank you very much for this thread.

[Edited on 10-25-2023 by laventana]

pacificobob - 10-24-2023 at 06:39 PM

Good post paul, thanks

boe4fun - 10-25-2023 at 07:37 AM

Returned to the states Monday morning via your route lined in red. Easy peasy, but with lotsa stop signs, truck traffic, and potholes. But this probably should be expected driving through the industrial section of town. One unnerving moment came when doing the sharp right hand turn into the Sentri lane with a one ton, crew cab, long bed Jimmy pickup. I love my truck, but it’s turning radius must be half a football field!
Thanks for the excellent info.

[Edited on 10-25-2023 by boe4fun]

freediverbrian - 10-25-2023 at 10:05 AM

I use the green route for north bound very quick and easy to get into the sentri lane. Going north on 5 look for the Kenworth sign and turn right on Manuel Gomez Morin.

geoffff - 10-25-2023 at 10:34 AM

Thanks for sharing your experience, Paul!

Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  

Going South –
Always choose the non-declare gate. If an inspection is required, the border person will make a lane for you to park in.


Mexicali East -- I always choose the non-declare (gates on the left), and always get inspected.




That right turn into the parking area you highlight in red is difficult to make without hopping the nasty oversized curb with your right-rear tire (lifted vehicle with oversized tires recommended), though perhaps a multi-point turn could be done.




PaulW - 10-25-2023 at 11:59 AM

Geoffff wrote
That right turn into the parking area you highlight in red is difficult to make without hopping the nasty oversized curb with your right-rear tire (lifted vehicle with oversized tires recommended), though perhaps a multi-point turn could be done.
== =
I never used the parking lot for the reason stated. I parked in the no parking curb just east of the X-ray facility.
It is much easier to park in the inspection area and ask teh guard where to walk to get the FMM. Hopefully that guy will just let you park where you are at.

BeachSeeker - 10-25-2023 at 12:32 PM

Why would you park in the red arrow area? There is parking to the West of the white roof labeled "FMM park for customs" as seen in the satellite image.

floydo - 2-18-2024 at 05:06 PM

Quote: Originally posted by geoffff  
Thanks for sharing your experience, Paul!

Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  

Going South –
Always choose the non-declare gate. If an inspection is required, the border person will make a lane for you to park in.


Mexicali East -- I always choose the non-declare (gates on the left), and always get inspected.



My experience for past several years is go thru non declare, they pause you on the covered area angled slots on the left. When done ask where to park for FMM and they say just beyond on the left. Walk then to the right under the cover to pick up FMM. The FMM and payment is in the same covered area as the inspectors....
Cheers


Going south on the "east" (red) route.

Bajaroad - 3-8-2024 at 11:00 PM

Google shows a road closure on the red route. Can anyone verify this?



PaulW - 3-9-2024 at 10:33 AM

Really sucks for the last 3 weeks.
Red track. Construction at the San Luis highway intersection both N and S with terrible detours to get you lost unless you have a newer car with an up to date city map. Try it at night and you wont go there again, like me. And a hole in the entrance gate area going S, but maybe it is fixed by now. I wont go there for now.

Last two trips we used Algodones. And Algodones crossing is under construction as well and long wait going south (1 hour). Not so bad going N, business as usual.

mtgoat666 - 3-9-2024 at 10:47 AM

Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  
Really sucks for the last 3 weeks.
Red track. Construction at the San Luis highway intersection both N and S with terrible detours to get you lost unless you have a newer car with an up to date city map.


Waze, Google Maps and Apple Maps are pretty good for navigating Mexicali.

ChrisLaPaz - 3-11-2024 at 10:47 AM

Floydo,
Is the fmm office in the building labeled “fmm park for customs” in the image or in the covered area labeled “inspectors”? I’m going there in a couple weeks and never entered at Mexicali before.

towntaco - 3-11-2024 at 08:06 PM

Quote: Originally posted by ChrisLaPaz  
Floydo,
Is the fmm office in the building labeled “fmm park for customs” in the image or in the covered area labeled “inspectors”? I’m going there in a couple weeks and never entered at Mexicali before.


Are you set on Mexicali East? Mexicali West gets my vote as the easier option, both for access to cambio de change on the Calexico side and more direct access to the MX5 on the Baja side.

ChrisLaPaz - 3-12-2024 at 09:07 AM

Not really committed to the east. I was going to use the west crossing but seeing the the immigration/fmm office is right at the east crossing I thought it might be easier. I’m riding my motorcycle down to la Paz (live there half time) and didn’t want to leave it unattended while I search around to get fmm. I’ve entered at every other crossing and returned to USA through Mexicali west (which was horrible with an rv pulling a trailer ). San Luis has been my favorite but it’s out of the way as I’m coming from Palm Springs area.
If the fmm office is right at the crossing with good parking at Mexicali west I’d probably go that way because of the proximity to getting on 5.
I’m not all that concerned about it, just wondering.

Lee - 3-12-2024 at 10:00 AM

Quote: Originally posted by ChrisLaPaz  
I’m riding my motorcycle down to la Paz (live there half time) and didn’t want to leave it unattended while I search around to get fmm.


At East crossing, immigration is right there. Ask one of the immigration officers to watch your bike. Offer to pay him.

When I shop Cabo Costco, and have a surfboard on top my car, I track down security (or guys hanging in front of the building wanting to help with a loaded cart), asking him to keep an eye on my board. I give him 100 pesos. No problem.

Get pesos in San Felipe. Lots of places.

PS -- good attitude about bike security. Keep an eye on it always.

mtgoat666 - 3-12-2024 at 10:03 AM

Quote: Originally posted by ChrisLaPaz  
Not really committed to the east. I was going to use the west crossing but seeing the the immigration/fmm office is right at the east crossing I thought it might be easier. I’m riding my motorcycle down to la Paz (live there half time) and didn’t want to leave it unattended while I search around to get fmm. I’ve entered at every other crossing and returned to USA through Mexicali west (which was horrible with an rv pulling a trailer ). San Luis has been my favorite but it’s out of the way as I’m coming from Palm Springs area.
If the fmm office is right at the crossing with good parking at Mexicali west I’d probably go that way because of the proximity to getting on 5.
I’m not all that concerned about it, just wondering.


southbound via mexicali west, park on right just after the inspection islands. there is parking for about 10+(?) vehicles. sometimes when busy/full parking I have had to double-park, and leave a person with vehicle (take turns going in to get fmm). on a motorcyle you should have no problem parking.

ChrisLaPaz - 3-12-2024 at 10:53 AM

Thanks for more info. I’m in La Paz now, flying up to Michigan to take my granddaughter home from spring break down here and to work for a week, then to Palm Springs to get my bike and get it down here. I’m not worried about pesos, I’ll just bring a bunch with me. Also, mostly worried about security of gear in Mexicali, not as much other places farther south.

towntaco - 3-12-2024 at 06:11 PM

Quote: Originally posted by ChrisLaPaz  
Not really committed to the east. I was going to use the west crossing but seeing the the immigration/fmm office is right at the east crossing I thought it might be easier. I’m riding my motorcycle down to la Paz (live there half time) and didn’t want to leave it unattended while I search around to get fmm. I’ve entered at every other crossing and returned to USA through Mexicali west (which was horrible with an rv pulling a trailer ). San Luis has been my favorite but it’s out of the way as I’m coming from Palm Springs area.
If the fmm office is right at the crossing with good parking at Mexicali west I’d probably go that way because of the proximity to getting on 5.
I’m not all that concerned about it, just wondering.
As others have said, immigration/fmm is also immediately before the crossing at Mexicali West. Having crossed in TJ, Tecate and Mexicali East & West, I find Mexicali West to be the easiest/quickest option to handle FMM then hit the MX5. The only time Tecate enters the picture these days is if I want to take El Compadre Trail when heading south.

PaulW - 3-12-2024 at 06:31 PM

Understand
The main reason for east crossing is avoiding those bad guys the hit you bumper and try to scam you into a payment. Multiple reports on facebook.
That is because of traffic and the concentration of several bad guys and bad cops along the normal route going south.
Sure the east crossing has traffic but no reports of the bad things going like the many report in the central city when using the west crossing.
To bad the construction is screwing up the east crossing main route.

BTW, there is not issue getting the FMM at any crossing. Just stop and ask the guard if you are uncertain as to where to park.

BooJumMan - 3-13-2024 at 06:50 AM

I was in Mexicali 2 weeks ago, my friends who live there said to just stay on Calle Novena all the way North to South and vice versa until you hit the San Felipe Road. Or just cut over west to Venustiano after the construction. Apparently they are building a bridge.

PaulW - 3-13-2024 at 02:00 PM

I guess I did something similar to Boojuman described above.
Here is a good way. I will try it next time.

Novena, 2, north a short way N on 2, left to Roble, Rt to Largo del Nte, left to Venusyiano, left on 5 south. Hope it works?




PaulW - 3-13-2024 at 02:58 PM

Mexicali East northbound
Going North the Right lane is closed for new construction
If you are following my instructions you will come from the east and you will have to go straight and make a U turn and go back to the border and enter Ready lane.
At some point you will be directed into the right lane for the US entry for busses and oversize vehicles.
Do not stay in the ready lane after you cross the border because there are height restrictions and you wont fit. This applies for trailer width as well.
Good luck.

David K - 3-13-2024 at 04:14 PM

Are there signs north and southbound for this or what they say is the best route?

Also, for us from San Diego who use Mexicali West, there was one (last) left turn that had no sign. Has that been fixed?


PaulW - 3-13-2024 at 05:37 PM

David
No signs for that newest East route shown above. None should be needed. I worry about the left turn from 2 to Roble because GE is not detailed to my satisfaction.

The West route has signs and there is so much traffic most folks miss the sign. That is where the Hwy 5 has a gentile right at the Y. Easy to be in the wrong lane for sure.
My last crossing south from west crossing I missed a sign and got totally lost and had to pull over and get orientated. It has been a while so maybe signs are better.

On the first post on this thread the green route for the east Mexicali crossing still functions as I described. Signs are still an issue.

David K - 3-13-2024 at 09:52 PM

I guess we just can trust the Waze or Google to talk us through town.

Bajaroad - 3-13-2024 at 09:56 PM

Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  
David
No signs for that newest East route shown above. None should be needed. I worry about the left turn from 2 to Roble because GE is not detailed to my satisfaction.

The West route has signs and there is so much traffic most folks miss the sign. That is where the Hwy 5 has a gentile right at the Y. Easy to be in the wrong lane for sure.
My last crossing south from west crossing I missed a sign and got totally lost and had to pull over and get orientated. It has been a while so maybe signs are better.

On the first post on this thread the green route for the east Mexicali crossing still functions as I described. Signs are still an issue.

Given the closure detours, would you say your Green route is now the preferred route going south? Just more congested?
I've only ever taken the Red route, except once from the West crossing.


mtgoat666 - 3-13-2024 at 10:49 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajaroad  
Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  
David
No signs for that newest East route shown above. None should be needed. I worry about the left turn from 2 to Roble because GE is not detailed to my satisfaction.

The West route has signs and there is so much traffic most folks miss the sign. That is where the Hwy 5 has a gentile right at the Y. Easy to be in the wrong lane for sure.
My last crossing south from west crossing I missed a sign and got totally lost and had to pull over and get orientated. It has been a while so maybe signs are better.

On the first post on this thread the green route for the east Mexicali crossing still functions as I described. Signs are still an issue.

Given the closure detours, would you say your Green route is now the preferred route going south? Just more congested?
I've only ever taken the Red route, except once from the West crossing.



Use waze or google, stick to main roads, you will be fine..

PaulW - 3-14-2024 at 07:57 AM

Google maps does not show closures

David K - 3-14-2024 at 10:21 AM

Waze does have 'live' road reporting by users which is relayed. Not sure of how many Baja travelers provide feedback, however. In any case both services will reroute you to your destination should you deviate as in the case of a detour.

mtgoat666 - 3-14-2024 at 10:32 AM

Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  
Google maps does not show closures


Mexicali is small city. Don't sweat it. Point south, drive on! :thumbup:

Bajaroad - 3-14-2024 at 11:13 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  
Google maps does not show closures


Mexicali is small city. Don't sweat it. Point south, drive on! :thumbup:

Yep.....no sweat. Trying to get it straight tho because I'm on a moto leading another rider, which makes it more difficult to follow directions and communicate. I'm using a Garmin GPS, and it's offering these directions which differ only slightly from Google.
,.........Well I'd share the Garmin route but the file size limit is too small.

David K - 3-14-2024 at 12:13 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajaroad  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  
Google maps does not show closures


Mexicali is small city. Don't sweat it. Point south, drive on! :thumbup:

Yep.....no sweat. Trying to get it straight tho because I'm on a moto leading another rider, which makes it more difficult to follow directions and communicate. I'm using a Garmin GPS, and it's offering these directions which differ only slightly from Google.
,.........Well I'd share the Garmin route but the file size limit is too small.


On the Nomad Photos forum, the top post explains a way to post 'large' images here. Or, you can send it to me and I will post it here for you!

East Crossing going north

floydo - 3-16-2024 at 11:15 AM

Read a post from yesterday on facebook baja road conditions that the right entry lane(s) northbound/westbound off of Novena/Rodrequez is under construction. Somewhat confusing description, but sounds like the Sentri/Ready lane (open) would allow you to get in the normal lanes but the Sentri lane is a hard right (from the east) and difficult to make with a trailer. Advice seemed to be to avoid this entrance if you have a trailer.....
We intend to cross in about a week so will find out (no trailer)...
This seems to be consistent with earlier comments. Be curious if there are any that have experienced the crossing very recently...
FWIW..

[Edited on 3-16-2024 by floydo]

floydo - 3-16-2024 at 11:42 AM

Quote: Originally posted by ChrisLaPaz  
Floydo,
Is the fmm office in the building labeled “fmm park for customs” in the image or in the covered area labeled “inspectors”? I’m going there in a couple weeks and never entered at Mexicali before.


inspectors....

PaulW - 3-16-2024 at 11:44 AM

For standard lane:
Enter Ready and be transitioned to the far right at/near the US border.
Best to approach from the west until construction is complete.

For Sentri no change

For Ready no change, just be sure you don't get transitioned to teh far right.

baja-chris - 7-1-2024 at 10:07 AM

My last trip north I got to the Mexical East crossing at 8:15pm. It closed at 8pm. No mention of this on the US border website.
Had to reroute to west crossing and got shook down my local cops TWICE. F those guys. I'm so tired of the corruption down there.

Tioloco - 7-1-2024 at 10:39 AM

Quote: Originally posted by baja-chris  
My last trip north I got to the Mexical East crossing at 8:15pm. It closed at 8pm. No mention of this on the US border website.
Had to reroute to west crossing and got shook down my local cops TWICE. F those guys. I'm so tired of the corruption down there.


2x in under 5 miles is a definite bummer

baja-chris - 7-1-2024 at 06:46 PM

First one got nothing after 30 minutes.
Second one got $38 after 45 minutes.

2x shake down

chatolj - 7-1-2024 at 08:19 PM

I'm trying to imagine getting lit up twice going from the East crossing to the West crossing. Pretty much a one way street along the fence. Short of speeding/cel/seatbelt/lights....... what happened?

baja-chris - 7-2-2024 at 07:25 AM

First one was speeding. I was in center lane going speed limit or within a few mph of it and getting passed on both sides by much faster traffic.

Second one was a lane change/merge as we approached the west crossing about 2 miles after the first stop. Different cop. Perhaps they talked on radio. I was towing a flatbed with expensive truck on it.

Its not really the time nor the money. It just the corruption that bugs me which is why I did not pay the first one but after 45 min on the second one they wore me down and I gave them $38. I was shocked they wasted so much time on me. Guess they were convinced I'd eventually start peeling off $100 bills. Wrong.

baja-chris - 7-2-2024 at 07:39 AM

Going forward I'll only cross north in the morning and only the East crossing or Algodones. Mid-day seems to work well for me at either of those going south.

I do wonder if I would have been pulled over if I was in the right lane and stayed 5 under the limit.

I've been pulled over many times in the last 35 years but in almost all cases I deserved it. Speeding, slow rolling a stop sign, etc. But this time I really did not think I deserved it. I probably get stopped once every 2 or 3 years and that is with lots of time down there. I own a house in SF, have permanent residency, etc. Have towed up and down peninsula dozens of times. Basically I'm not new.

mtgoat666 - 7-2-2024 at 07:56 AM

When stopped, Start video on phone, tell cops they are on facebook live. They back down faster. They will tell you to turn off the video. Tell them no, you are an influencer, and scared, so want protection of live video saved to cloud.

It’s all a game to the cops, you need to play a better game.

[Edited on 7-2-2024 by mtgoat666]

David K - 7-2-2024 at 08:33 AM

Quote: Originally posted by baja-chris  
First one was speeding. I was in center lane going speed limit or within a few mph of it and getting passed on both sides by much faster traffic.

Second one was a lane change/merge as we approached the west crossing about 2 miles after the first stop. Different cop. Perhaps they talked on radio. I was towing a flatbed with expensive truck on it.

Its not really the time nor the money. It just the corruption that bugs me which is why I did not pay the first one but after 45 min on the second one they wore me down and I gave them $38. I was shocked they wasted so much time on me. Guess they were convinced I'd eventually start peeling off $100 bills. Wrong.


In the future or for Nomads reading this...
Rather than play their game, insist on going to the station!
If you did violate the law, the fines in Mexico are small.
If you are innocent, they will leave you alone for easier prey.
They may ask that you follow them to the station, but then pull over and give you your license back. They will not take you to the station if you are innocent, since you will tell the judge how the officer attempted to extort cash from you.
It is illegal for a cop to accept money!!
They know Americans are fearful of Mexican jails, etc., and have that fear edge. They also know Americans are in a hurry and will pay to end the game.
*Don't be in a hurry and don't play... Insist on going to the station and seeing the judge.

Lee - 7-2-2024 at 08:59 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by baja-chris  
First one was speeding. I was in center lane going speed limit or within a few mph of it and getting passed on both sides by much faster traffic.

Second one was a lane change/merge as we approached the west crossing about 2 miles after the first stop. Different cop. Perhaps they talked on radio. I was towing a flatbed with expensive truck on it.

Its not really the time nor the money. It just the corruption that bugs me which is why I did not pay the first one but after 45 min on the second one they wore me down and I gave them $38. I was shocked they wasted so much time on me. Guess they were convinced I'd eventually start peeling off $100 bills. Wrong.


In the future or for Nomads reading this...
Rather than play their game, insist on going to the station!
If you did violate the law, the fines in Mexico are small.
If you are innocent, they will leave you alone for easier prey.
They may ask that you follow them to the station, but then pull over and give you your license back. They will not take you to the station if you are innocent, since you will tell the judge how the officer attempted to extort cash from you.
It is illegal for a cop to accept money!!
They know Americans are fearful of Mexican jails, etc., and have that fear edge. They also know Americans are in a hurry and will pay to end the game.
*Don't be in a hurry and don't play... Insist on going to the station and seeing the judge.


Opposite POV here.

DON'T GO TO ANY POLICE STATION!

I'm guessing Dave missed the post recently about what happened at the police station. Thinking because you did nothing illegal and are innocent will get you off with a reprimand. Wrong.

I've written about this before, 2nd hand info from a friend who went to the station in Ciudad. Didn't turn out well for him.

A scam is a scam and if stopped on the street, trust that you will be scammed at the station. Not necessarily 100% of the time. Going to the station means you trust the police and the justice system where ever you are. To me, that's naive.

The ''Judge'' at the station might be the janitor, another corrupt cop. There is no REAL judge at the station to administer justice. It's all a scam.

Negotiate on the street and don't waste a lot of time.

Geeze. What bullshlt! ''If you are innocent, they'll leave you alone." Stop with the bogus advice Dave!

Tioloco - 7-2-2024 at 09:05 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by baja-chris  
First one was speeding. I was in center lane going speed limit or within a few mph of it and getting passed on both sides by much faster traffic.

Second one was a lane change/merge as we approached the west crossing about 2 miles after the first stop. Different cop. Perhaps they talked on radio. I was towing a flatbed with expensive truck on it.

Its not really the time nor the money. It just the corruption that bugs me which is why I did not pay the first one but after 45 min on the second one they wore me down and I gave them $38. I was shocked they wasted so much time on me. Guess they were convinced I'd eventually start peeling off $100 bills. Wrong.


In the future or for Nomads reading this...
Rather than play their game, insist on going to the station!
If you did violate the law, the fines in Mexico are small.
If you are innocent, they will leave you alone for easier prey.
They may ask that you follow them to the station, but then pull over and give you your license back. They will not take you to the station if you are innocent, since you will tell the judge how the officer attempted to extort cash from you.
It is illegal for a cop to accept money!!
They know Americans are fearful of Mexican jails, etc., and have that fear edge. They also know Americans are in a hurry and will pay to end the game.
*Don't be in a hurry and don't play... Insist on going to the station and seeing the judge.


That may work most of the time, but there are cops that will oblige your request to go to the station. Once there, you may be greeted by more of the same. Don't count on the police commander or the judge to be a beacon of honesty and integrity.

There is no way to predict how a police stop in Mexico will end but dont make the mistake of thinking you are in control of it. You aint!

Tioloco - 7-2-2024 at 09:07 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Lee  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by baja-chris  
First one was speeding. I was in center lane going speed limit or within a few mph of it and getting passed on both sides by much faster traffic.

Second one was a lane change/merge as we approached the west crossing about 2 miles after the first stop. Different cop. Perhaps they talked on radio. I was towing a flatbed with expensive truck on it.

Its not really the time nor the money. It just the corruption that bugs me which is why I did not pay the first one but after 45 min on the second one they wore me down and I gave them $38. I was shocked they wasted so much time on me. Guess they were convinced I'd eventually start peeling off $100 bills. Wrong.


In the future or for Nomads reading this...
Rather than play their game, insist on going to the station!
If you did violate the law, the fines in Mexico are small.
If you are innocent, they will leave you alone for easier prey.
They may ask that you follow them to the station, but then pull over and give you your license back. They will not take you to the station if you are innocent, since you will tell the judge how the officer attempted to extort cash from you.
It is illegal for a cop to accept money!!
They know Americans are fearful of Mexican jails, etc., and have that fear edge. They also know Americans are in a hurry and will pay to end the game.
*Don't be in a hurry and don't play... Insist on going to the station and seeing the judge.


Opposite POV here.

DON'T GO TO ANY POLICE STATION!

I'm guessing Dave missed the post recently about what happened at the police station. Thinking because you did nothing illegal and are innocent will get you off with a reprimand. Wrong.

I've written about this before, 2nd hand info from a friend who went to the station in Ciudad. Didn't turn out well for him.

A scam is a scam and if stopped on the street, trust that you will be scammed at the station. Not necessarily 100% of the time. Going to the station means you trust the police and the justice system where ever you are. To me, that's naive.

The ''Judge'' at the station might be the janitor, another corrupt cop. There is no REAL judge at the station to administer justice. It's all a scam.

Negotiate on the street and don't waste a lot of time.

Geeze. What bullshlt! ''If you are innocent, they'll leave you alone." Stop with the bogus advice Dave!


Yes, good points

David K - 7-2-2024 at 01:22 PM

Not bogus at all...
2nd hand story may be true in Constitución.

The post was about a border city (Mexicali), was it not?
Sure, negotiate with the cop if you can... and show friendliness, honesty, apologetic, and none of your America superiority BS.

In my 50 years of driving in Mexico, I have a few stories, and have never been burned by a cop when I negotiated myself out of a bogus traffic stop. They all make good fireside stories, too.

Tioloco - 7-2-2024 at 02:16 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Not bogus at all...
2nd hand story may be true in Constitución.

The post was about a border city (Mexicali), was it not?
Sure, negotiate with the cop if you can... and show friendliness, honesty, apologetic, and none of your America superiority BS.

In my 50 years of driving in Mexico, I have a few stories, and have never been burned by a cop when I negotiated myself out of a bogus traffic stop. They all make good fireside stories, too.


They all make for a good story afterwards

$$$$

chatolj - 7-3-2024 at 09:35 AM

Inferaction fines are not that cheap anymore as in the past. Unless you are being totally hosed, you won't save much if any going for a ride. When I'm driving with a target on my back (fancy vehicule, towing boat etc.) I always use turn signals, exaggerated stops at Altos, and below the ridiculously low posted speed limits. Sad to know that we are being watched with only the idea of finding a reason (real or not) to pull us over.

Some traffic laws are different than in the USA. Example: A tail light out is not a fix-it ticket. There is a specific fine associated for it.
I also know the traffic laws apply to me, not so much the local speeding by me taking on the cel phone with no seat belt on as he rolls the Alto, with his kid on wifes lap, drivers windows so tinted you can't see inside, loose dog ,tail/turn lights broken, and no licence plate. Blind eye given because his wallet isn't as full as ours.