BajaNomad - question for Doug

question for Doug

Bruce R Leech - 7-15-2005 at 08:20 AM

Doug Don't you think that in this instance it would have been better to leave the post By Me no so other Nomads could draw there own conclusion. by removing the post you don't remove the threat you only hide it. and if indeed a threat was made from one Nomad to an other publicly on the forum do you think you are some how protecting us by having it removed? it looks to me like the only favor you did was to Me no.

Please If anyone ever makes a threat against me on this or any other forum leave it the heck alone so I can see it and deal with it in my own way. and also other Nomads can see where the threats are coming from also. sometimes just because you don't like what you read it is better to leave things alone. and let the people that it is directed at do what they think is right. Me no put his name on the post so if he made threats that were illegal then he intended to suffer the consequences.

I think that if it was a Anon posting a threat then it should be edited.

just my opinion.

David K - 7-15-2005 at 09:00 AM

Bruce, this is not a forum for one or two people to use to harass others, it is for Baja info. and discussion. If Doug leaves up the slander than that changes the purpose of Baja Nomad and will chase people away. Why should Doug pay for a place with over 1,000 members just so a couple of people can use it to air their personal gripes? Me No may be a reader of Karl Marx or Lenin, because he seems to believe when a lie is told often enough, it will become the 'truth'. I invited Me No and many occaisions to provide an ounce of evidence to back up his lies... nada. Me No used to be Minnow and he was banned from here because of his actions before. You all may have seen the post link here to Baja.net that showed bajablackie telling minnow how to evade Doug's actions to circumvent his being banned. Pretty low that a host of another Baja board gives instructions to help ruin this one, all the while he is posting here too.

Fred's board is the oldest Baja board and it has survived because it is heavily moderated to keep the personal negatives off... The exchange of stories between friends is what is nice about this site, in addition to the info.

I have always wanted this site to be highly successful and it has been, but the personal negative stuff is harmfull and very non-Baja-like.

David

jrbaja - 7-15-2005 at 09:06 AM

You just ain't gonna learn are you? :lol:

Everytime I think that it's time to drop the issue, especially since you had most of the evidence deleted, you continue chiming in with your whining. What do you think MeNo is going to do when he reads this?

Ah well, personally I think the board is bored without the drama you provide. Gracias. :light:

Diver - 7-15-2005 at 09:07 AM

Bruce,

Are you asking for no censorship at all ?
That would be un-american ! :lol:

I can see your point.
I might agree, but please be nice to Doug.

BTW You are definitely a great presence on the board and someone I would enjoy meeting next time I'm in Mulege.
Thanks for all your posts and opinions.

PacO - 7-15-2005 at 09:12 AM

It's a good thing he asked Doug.

Bruce R Leech - 7-15-2005 at 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by David K
Bruce, this is not a forum for one or two people to use to harass others, it is for Baja info. and discussion. If Doug leaves up the slander than that changes the purpose of Baja Nomad and will chase people away. Why should Doug pay for a place with over 1,000 members just so a couple of people can use it to air their personal gripes? Me No may be a reader of Karl Marx or Lenin, because he seems to believe when a lie is told often enough, it will become the 'truth'. I invited Me No and many occaisions to provide an ounce of evidence to back up his lies... nada. Me No used to be Minnow and he was banned from here because of his actions before. You all may have seen the post link here to Baja.net that showed bajablackie telling minnow how to evade Doug's actions to circumvent his being banned. Pretty low that a host of another Baja board gives instructions to help ruin this one, all the while he is posting here too.

Fred's board is the oldest Baja board and it has survived because it is heavily moderated to keep the personal negatives off... The exchange of stories between friends is what is nice about this site, in addition to the info.

I have always wanted this site to be highly successful and it has been, but the personal negative stuff is harmfull and very non-Baja-like.

all I'm saying is if they would have left it up a little while Me no would hang himself but Doug protected him by removing his post to fast.

David I think it would have been better for you if it would have stayed up for a day so every one can see what you are having to put up with. and then if there are indeed personal thetas against any one on the nomad forum they should be baned from posting ever again. but even then I would leave the evidence for every one to see.

[Edited on 7-15-2005 by Bruce R Leech]

Hello, hello? Anyone home?

yankeeirishman - 7-15-2005 at 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
Doug Don't you think that in this instance it would have been better to leave the post By Me no so other Nomads could draw there own conclusion. by removing the post you don't remove the threat you only hide it. and if indeed a threat was made from one Nomad to an other publicly on the forum do you think you are some how protecting us by having it removed? it looks to me like the only favor you did was to Me no.

Please If anyone ever makes a threat against me on this or any other forum leave it the heck alone so I can see it and deal with it in my own way. and also other Nomads can see where the threats are coming from also. sometimes just because you don't like what you read it is better to leave things alone. and let the people that it is directed at do what they think is right. Me no put his name on the post so if he made threats that were illegal then he intended to suffer the consequences.

I think that if it was a Anon posting a threat then it should be edited.

just my opinion.

Evidence for every one to see.
Sure...Bruce R Leech...great thinking on your part. Lets keep all the real threats here to scare the hell outda everyone. Well most everyone. You seem to NOT take threats as a real violent issue. The brighter folks here do. I have zero tolerance against women beaters, thugs, drug dealers?. and idiots that post violent threats against others. Yet?. you want to read it? Leave it up on the format? Let all violent ridden victims of the past, sit here and read threats? Brings back old memoirs, yes? But you must be one of this mucho dudes that thinks threats are ?not real threats? Zero tolerance dude, zero tolerance!

Since you have already admitted "you are a poor dumb Nomad"
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=11578&pag...
.... again I agree with your statement of fact (it so seems).

You want the Host of this forum here, to leave the threats on line, so that you can enjoy the writings of a madman? What sort of perk would want to read such garbage? We don?t need your approval as to what should be censored. That?s Doug privilege and duty as a Human. I think his judgment far supercedes your needs for trailer trash readings. Get real dude.

By the way Bruce..I wish you stop flaming me.

Bruce R Leech - 7-15-2005 at 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by yankeeirishman

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now you are going to start name calling yankeeirishman this thread did not address you at all I asked Doug a question. and you butted in as usual. If anyone is flaming anyone I think your post here says it all. you just fell a need to stir the pot and keep this stuff going.

I think the Ostrege strategy of sticking your head in the sand doesn't work. If there is a child molester in my neighborhood I want to know about it, not just hide and don't tell anybody. you destroyed a perfect opportunity to expose me no for what he is but no you got Doug to sweep it under the carpet so it would not scare any of us and every one goes on thinking there is no threat. real smart. I don't need your protection.

I Will not call you names or try to insult you because I have respect for you and most of your writings but lately you have taken it upon your self to try and change this forum to something it never was and I don't care much for what you are trying to do.

it is kind of funny I ask Doug a question and right away David K and Yankee answer for him :?:

it is simple Yankee I'm right and you are wrong :lol:

[Edited on 7-16-2005 by Bruce R Leech]

Diver - 7-15-2005 at 06:56 PM

Bruce is welcome to his opinion and should be welcome to share it.

The only other thing I can say is on the DK trash posted above.
Will the monitors let me tell him to please SHUT UP !!?

You ever try

jrbaja - 7-15-2005 at 07:37 PM

telling a chicken to stop cackling? :lol:

It is writing in your own ink

yankeeirishman - 7-15-2005 at 08:19 PM

Name calling? No. Just confirming YOUR statement, buddy boy. You did call yourself a dummy?it?s in the link I c/c here. Explain that away, Einstein. Your response is nonsense. I will not try to defend myself here?anyone can just read the post to see how you interjected flames towards me. It is written in ink, as they say. It is you that should explain away your reasons for the flaming towards me. I?ll let that subject rest. Poor little Brucie tries to enter the games of flames?he gets burnt!

Now don?t go off misdirecting the facts?creating smokescreens. ?Whatever tactile you try, I will simple use your very own words against you. As I can only assume Brucie, you aren?t that sharp of a reader ?for you comprehension isn?t the greatest gift you have! The same goes for your lack of understanding of the United States Law, and State Laws concerning threats via Internet. You assumed that you knew the law, and then you try playing contender against what I was saying about it in my post reply. It is writing in your own ink, on this post. I proved that off to be incorrect also. Go ahead Bruce?defend yourself about being dead wrong. When I corrected your response on threats (c/c legal data from the www.fbi.com) hell?you didn?t have the guts to admit you entered assumptions. Poor little Brucie tries to enter the games of flames?he gets burnt!

?It is kind of funny I ask Doug a question and right away David K and Yankee answer for him?. What?s so funny Brucie? Are you next going to acquire the conspiracy theory? We are all against you? Delusional you must be! What wrong with interacting as DavidK or I, do at times? You REALLY think Randy cant think for himself? That he is incapable to respond to you? You think we are part of Randy?s Secret Service that?s haunting you? Get real. Get awake. Get your pill! Conspiracy theories don?t work here! Poor little Brucie tries to enter the games of flames?he gets burnt!

?but lately you have taken it upon your self to try and change this forum? It?s called advanced improvement. You know?the human race has used the same theories to advance and better their race. For example Brucie? Once upon a time there was a brut. He threatened everyone. Everyone didn?t like it. So they made lays against woman beaters, bullies, murderers?AND cyber threats! Was that explanation simple enough for you? Or should I have added Jack, Jane, Dick?s name to the story telling, for you to comprehend? Yes Brucie?changes are made by the concerned. The unconcerned?well?havoc is assured. Would you like me to go into the archives, and C/C all the posts you have done?concerning changing?s that you wanted? Mmmmm? Poor little Brucie tries to enter the games of flames?he gets burnt!

Come on Brucie?don?t give me the ol? ?I Will not call you names or try to insult you because I have respect for you and most of your writings? cop out. Make ya look better, and try to make me the changed bad guy. Old trick. I am a good guy. But will not be with you till this is over. You wanted to play troll and flame?I am here to play with you. I bet you cant stop because the swallow is too hard?.? Poor little Brucie tries to enter the games of flames?he gets burnt!

Lets count the flames and trolls you did to me on that other post I did (thanks Doug), and then count how many I did to you. Zero from me to you, four from you to me. Com on Brucie? Brucie?defend youself about not being dead wrong again.

Keep it coming Brucie?I love to debate attackers such as you. Perhaps you need to u2u some of your friends here, and ask them if you were right or flamer....before responding back to me.

Diver?I totally understand anyone is welcome to his opinion and should be welcome to share. Bruce went way beyond that. He needs to quietly bow out, and I?ll leave all this to be dust.

[Edited on 7-16-2005 by yankeeirishman]

Bruce R Leech - 7-15-2005 at 09:14 PM

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Originally posted by yankeeirishman

Now don?t go off misdirecting the facts?creating smokescreens. ?Whatever tactile you try, I will simple use your very own words against you. As I can only assume Brucie, you aren?t that sharp of a reader ?for you comprehension isn?t the greatest gift you have! The same goes for your lack of understanding of the United States Law, and State Laws concerning threats via Internet. You assumed that you knew the law, and then you try playing contender against what I was saying about it in my post reply. It is writing in your own ink, on this post. I proved that off to be incorrect also. Go ahead Bruce?defend yourself about being dead wrong. When I corrected your response on threats (c/c legal data from the www.fbi.com) hell?you didn?t have the guts to admit you entered assumptions. Poor little Brucie tries to enter the games of flames?he gets burnt!

what is wrong with you this is a lie . I never did anything but agree with you about the law. tell us where you read anything else. talk about comprehension. are you drunk? go back and read the threads and quote me on where I said that .I am getting lots of email and not one Nomad can find your Lie that you said I wrote. I am really starting to feel kind of sorry for you. your making a fool out of your self in front of the whole world. I hope you mow lawns better than you read. :lol:

[Edited on 7-16-2005 by Bruce R Leech]

yankeeirishman - 7-15-2005 at 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech

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[Edited on 7-16-2005 by Bruce R Leech]

Nice, but sad try...Brucie. Anyone that read that post of mine, and saw the timeline of your flames, and statements....BEFORE I decided enough was enough and decided to play you out.....will understand that you are just a little weasel that was flaming for some popularity, or your were just plain of an idiot, I guess?

So now you call me a liar. Well folks, I guess I have to ?defend? myself on that definition of my character. Oh wait?no I don?t have to. I will use Brucie?s words against him, as I warned him. I will have c/c of all his misstatements and outright lies, here, at the fab forum for warriors (me) and wimps (him). Bruce?. enjoy my next post?. tomorrow.

By the way?please c/c all my lies, will you? I got to see this??..Put up or shut up Bruce.

[Edited on 7-16-2005 by yankeeirishman]

Bruce R Leech - 7-16-2005 at 06:38 AM

where did I say this

you said
let?s have a go at it! I suggest you not quote law in the next response?you already got knock down on that that slumbering statement of ?there?s no law of protection for any threats on the Net.

this is an out and out Lie.I never quoted any Law. I only agreed with your quoting of the law. it is all here in these 2 threads.

BajaNomad - 7-16-2005 at 06:57 AM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
Please If anyone ever makes a threat against me on this or any other forum leave it the heck alone so I can see it and deal with it in my own way. and also other Nomads can see where the threats are coming from also.

I believe I have done as you've requested (re: the above).

I think generally though, I'll stick with what I've been doing. I do understand your point though. Thanks for the input.

--
Doug

[Edited on 7-16-2005 by BajaNomad]

bajaloco - 7-16-2005 at 06:58 AM

Have any of you guys ever noticed that the people that spend maybe too much time here, seem to be the ones that turn on each other...

Maybe just get away from your computers for awhile and come back with a new perspective.

I love Baja as much as the next guy, but there is more to life...

Bruce R Leech - 7-16-2005 at 07:40 AM

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Originally posted by BajaNomad

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I believe I have done as you've requested (re: the above).

I think generally though, I'll stick with what I've been doing. I do understand your point though. Thanks for the input.

--
Doug

[Edited on 7-16-2005 by BajaNomad]

thanks Doug for answering my question and also for leaving Yankees and my posts in tact.

I know I cant wen a disagreement with Yankee because I cant call people names and lie and threaten people.It is not my nature. I do this because I know some day I am going to meet Yankee and I will probably like him, we have more in common than he knows.

but I will admit that I am really enjoying this debate even though I know I cant wen against some one Like Yankee it is kind of fun to watch him go from his g rated forum personalty to his raging whatever personalty. I wonder if he lets his kids read his posts? :light:

yankeeirishman - 7-16-2005 at 08:03 AM

After seeing my u2u box this a/m. stuffed with requests for me to leave you alone, I shall comply with those wishes.

Yes...my kid does indeed read this. There were no foulness to it. No threats.

Yes...you would like me in real life. Thus...I serve no hate towards anyone...unless you serve it first.

And now a part for you Bruce, that I think you will love:

I am retracting my words on what you said about the legalities of the Net (only). I went back to that (yours) post to re-read again. I had read wrong. You had indeed said there ARE laws.

Bruce R Leech - 7-16-2005 at 08:21 AM

thank you and dittos to you. Friends again I hope. :saint:

yankeeirishman - 7-16-2005 at 08:50 AM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
thank you and dittos to you. Friends again I hope. :saint:

You would fit right in with the rest of my brothers. We all do this debat'ta with each other...and still love each other.
"Friends again I hope?"...always was...brother :cool:

Gentlemen. Thank you

Keri - 7-16-2005 at 09:35 AM

for setting the example for others on how to play nice. Hope the others take your lead. How refreshing to have someone step up to the plate and admit an error, it takes a big person to apologize, especially in a forum such as this. Yankee ,I like you, I don't always agree with you but I see you are a person of fine character. Bruce, I don't agree these things should be left on the board, but in this case it was a great teaching lesson. Gentlemen , Thanks again for a breath of fresh air,k :yes:

Yep, it's a regular episode

jrbaja - 7-16-2005 at 09:58 AM

of "Leave it to Beaver" around here ! :lol:

Yankeeirishman.....

Sharksbaja - 7-16-2005 at 10:43 AM

Since I won't u2u either of you. Yank:

I expected less from you. Get it?

Flaming is subjective is it not?

Just a little advise from the sidelines if you are receptive to constructive critism and can interpret my opinion as such.

In my opinion you are definitely fighting(sic) with the wrong person.

Your entire message has been compromised, right or wrong by your childish retort.

It would be advantageous for you to take more time to respond and clarify yourself and your conduct your overtones in a mature manner.

If you continue posting this way(which I find particularily offensive) about issues using adjectives and nouns that are personally derogatory I will avoid entering the debate.

Your willingness to critisize others personally does not behoove you. You have given this forum a contribution in your interest in Baja and the others who post here. You should continue to do so.

You need to paint your threads in color and not black and white. You are trying to define the people behind the posts with your honorable intentions. Fortunately or unfortunately they listen or heed the warning. But when you paint the explanation so black and white, which you commonly do, it looses it's beauty. And you will be told, in so many words.
You made yourself a promise and others too that you would not let others beget your exposed nerve.
Think back amigo.
I can't be testimony for what was said but I am sure a smart tactical maneuver on your part may have defused the situation. Sometimes dear friend, patience and wise posting can defray and reverse a perceived or a subjective threat. Peoples safety is paramount but it's very wise to evaluate the threat and who's posting it.
I am not pretending to support or not support any bona-fide Nomad and feel that you, and a number of others herein are quite set on curtailing any veiled threats that are determined by who?
How?
While our speech is obviously screened and altered to omit profanity, the volumes of regular dialog would be risk. Moderators have to weigh the free speech angle with the more provocative language.
It appears the "big brother" who you indict constantly is over a barrel.
How do you approach and moderate highly subjective conversation. Moderators certainly admonish criminal behavior and to imply otherwise would be a disservice to the entire site and its sponsers.

How I feel about "real" physical threats? Very concerned.

Bruce R Leech - 7-16-2005 at 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by yankeeirishman

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
thank you and dittos to you. Friends again I hope. :saint:

You would fit right in with the rest of my brothers. We all do this debat'ta with each other...and still love each other.
"Friends again I hope?"...always was...brother :cool:

you know I had the same thoughts when we were slinging mud back and forth. This is just like my Brother and I, we fight all the time but let some one else pick on one of us and we are the best teem in the world.

How come we have Mothers day and fathers day but we don't have a brothers day? :?:

Bruce R Leech - 7-16-2005 at 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by Hose A
Everyone has or had a mother.

Not everyone has or had a brother.

Good point :light:

Hose A

rpleger - 7-16-2005 at 11:17 AM

I agree with Bruce!

yankeeirishman - 7-17-2005 at 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Since I won't u2u either of you. Yank:

I expected less from you. Get it?

Flaming is subjective is it not?

Just a little advise from the sidelines if you are receptive to constructive critism and can interpret my opinion as such.

In my opinion you are definitely fighting(sic) with the wrong person.

Your entire message has been compromised, right or wrong by your childish retort.

It would be advantageous for you to take more time to respond and clarify yourself and your conduct your overtones in a mature manner.

If you continue posting this way(which I find particularily offensive) about issues using adjectives and nouns that are personally derogatory I will avoid entering the debate.

Your willingness to critisize others personally does not behoove you. You have given this forum a contribution in your interest in Baja and the others who post here. You should continue to do so.

You need to paint your threads in color and not black and white. You are trying to define the people behind the posts with your honorable intentions. Fortunately or unfortunately they listen or heed the warning. But when you paint the explanation so black and white, which you commonly do, it looses it's beauty. And you will be told, in so many words.
You made yourself a promise and others too that you would not let others beget your exposed nerve.
Think back amigo.
I can't be testimony for what was said but I am sure a smart tactical maneuver on your part may have defused the situation. Sometimes dear friend, patience and wise posting can defray and reverse a perceived or a subjective threat. Peoples safety is paramount but it's very wise to evaluate the threat and who's posting it.
I am not pretending to support or not support any bona-fide Nomad and feel that you, and a number of others herein are quite set on curtailing any veiled threats that are determined by who?
How?
While our speech is obviously screened and altered to omit profanity, the volumes of regular dialog would be risk. Moderators have to weigh the free speech angle with the more provocative language.
It appears the "big brother" who you indict constantly is over a barrel.
How do you approach and moderate highly subjective conversation. Moderators certainly admonish criminal behavior and to imply otherwise would be a disservice to the entire site and its sponsers.

How I feel about "real" physical threats? Very concerned.

.....I made one major misstate in my responses to Bruce. That was a misreading on his opinion about the legal insert of the law concerning the Net. (I swear he went back and edited that post) Kidding!
I stand to say?. The other inserts of remarks were more in line of flaming, done by Bruce. It looked like trolling, smelled like trolling. This is why I lashed out towards him. Perhaps my style of writing responses and/or posting is harsh, black and white?but I write with directs?. not the ol? office politics. My style can be incorrect at times, yes?as it is with Bruce, and many others?s here (you too). The reason why the vast numbers of us are still here after many battles?we never make lively threats with intent to harm.
As you read and ?saw??.I ended the fight with an apologized post to Bruce, on the subject of the Law. He accepted. This thread should have ended there, but some folks decide to play in their two cents well after the follies have ended. No personality evaluation was needed at this point by you. No harm was done?but the public got an education on some law facts, and HOW TO END A ON GOING FIGHT! We took this fight short of a day?not days. It was a good, mudslinging arena. Short and sweet. Non-continued to the future posting. Let?s compare that to others here that goes on for months!
Your style Sharksbaja.... is very cool, and laid back?in most cases. I do not attempt to tell you how to perform on the Nomads with your style. To tell me ?Your entire message has been compromised, right or wrong by your childish retort? and other remarks you made about me?is off base. I don?t need a spanking from you Sharksbaja. To make my point here with you?I haven?t fired back at you here. I wont. You simply posted your negative words of opinion about me that was not a continuing flaming and troll tactic. I can accept that by any other Nomad. But not the flames.
I post and respond to posts, with far too often positive remarks. To mark me with your negative opinion as posted here?is very off base. You indeed bypassed any and all types of positive remarks about me in your post (which I have surely earned), so I?ll have to take your post as being an lack of properly prepared evaluation. One sided. Your style of writing needs a letter (as the one you did to me) from yourself. Your entire message has been compromised, right or wrong by your childish retort too.