BajaNomad - Did anyone see this?

Did anyone see this?

bajajudy - 8-1-2005 at 03:45 PM

http://www.gringogazette.com/southern/july25_2005/page12/

David K - 8-1-2005 at 03:59 PM

Thanks Judy... If anyone wonders what this link is to, it's about the Santiago Zoo and Baja Nomad 'jeans' and others attempts to rescue the large animals there.

bajajudy - 8-1-2005 at 05:01 PM

Guess I should have said what it was about.
Y'all have a look please

Judy

jrbaja - 8-1-2005 at 05:06 PM

This was one of those deals where someone took it upon themselves to first try and improve the zoo, which doesn't have any business there in the first place.( large animals in 100 degree weather)
Then it changed to trying to get the animals out of the zoo after one of the animals died. These people were warned prior to the animal dieing but continued with their plans and ignoring sensible advice from many.

Hopefully, someone who is qualified to deal with this MESS will come along and do something about this inhumane cruelty that has just been prolonged by alledged "do gooders". :light:

bajajudy - 8-1-2005 at 05:28 PM

Oh hey. One visit to the Santiago Zoo was more than enough for me but we have to hope that someone will be able to do something about it. Awareness of the problem will hopefully help.
Ojala

Dave - 8-1-2005 at 05:43 PM

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Originally posted by jrbaja
Hopefully, someone who is qualified to deal with this MESS will come along and do something about this inhumane cruelty that has just been prolonged by alledged "do gooders". :light:

All it takes is someone with a rifle and a steady aim.

I would expect this

jrbaja - 8-1-2005 at 07:10 PM

from someone who owns a Deli.! :lol:

I'll take the half dead lionburger please. Just cut the patty from that gaping wound in it's leg there! :no:

Zoo's. Crazy!! :no:

[Edited on 8/2/2005 by jrbaja]

Dave - 8-1-2005 at 09:39 PM

I'm dead serious. :mad:

This needs to end...NOW.

[Edited on 8-2-2005 by Dave]

Sharksbaja - 8-1-2005 at 09:47 PM

I feel a little conscience on my shoulder which begs me to spare the animals. Being dependant upon and at the mercy of humans dictates compassion not extermination. There are plenty of refuges and centers more than willing to accept destitute animals of the kind they harbor.

Dave - 8-1-2005 at 09:59 PM

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja
I feel a little conscience on my shoulder which begs me to spare the animals. Being dependant upon and at the mercy of humans dictates compassion not extermination. There are plenty of refuges and centers more than willing to accept destitute animals of the kind they harbor.

Did you read the article? This ain't gonna happen. Now they are forming a committee to study the problem. Even gonna consult with zoo experts in the States. Meanwhile, these animals are suffering, and this will continue.

Would you spare your dog to live under these conditions?

Calm down Dave

jrbaja - 8-1-2005 at 10:03 PM

Just teasing. I am dead against all zoos and animal cruelty!
Which is why "qualified individuals" need to take charge of this one. It's been about 2 years now with no change under the current people "doing something about it".

you have a point Dave

Sharksbaja - 8-1-2005 at 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

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actually no, I didn't read it all, till now. I was up on the previous discussion back a few months but I could not finish this article because pg 35 was not linked.

My position is, no I do not like to see animals suffer. If the animals are in terminal peril or agony it is only humane to end their suffering. I also appeared that common sense should have prevailed when the 15k was not applied.

Here is the page link:pg.35

Typical gringo gazoot nonsense

jrbaja - 8-2-2005 at 09:16 AM

Santiago's people aren't educated? :lol:

It happens to be the state capital!
The editor of the fishwrap is so easily hornswaggled by anyone she will write anything in that paper. I see dk's name was mentioned in the gazoot recently. Not surprising that his cohort Mindy was soon to follow.
If these foreign "do gooders" would mind their own business, things would happen much faster as far as relieving the pain these critters are living.
In other words, go hug one of your own trees!

Tucker - 8-2-2005 at 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by jrbaja
Santiago's people aren't educated? :lol:

Dang, and all this time I've sending my taxes to the wrong place. Santiago, not La Paz?

comitan - 8-2-2005 at 03:11 PM

Was there 20years ago, and again last year no appreciable difference, except my wife did'nt get so close to one of the cages to have a coutamonga pull them off.

David K - 8-2-2005 at 03:59 PM

Tucker, you are getting all the fun... I guess like the Mexican map makers, there's a few people who live in Baja must know things the rest of us do not, like Santiago being the state capital, etc.

What do I know, as I read in some BOOK (when I was 8 years old) that La Paz was the capital... and you know that disqualifies me as a source for this kind of info.!

Only room for one gringo do-gooder on Nomad (jr.)? Too bad, as I would think the more concerned amigos there were, the better?!

By calling me on the capitol

jrbaja - 8-2-2005 at 05:02 PM

I guess we all agree to the major problem, outside tree huggers doing nothing besides prolonging the misery of these animals!
And it looks from the info provided here that I was also wrong about how long these tree huggers have been screwing things up.
No matter who they try to blame it on.

And David have you ever heard of a Chinese fire drill, a monkey doing a football, people minding their own business? If after 5 years or so "Nomads" help have only prolonged the misery, I would say they pretty much suck at it!

[Edited on 8/3/2005 by jrbaja]

Tucker - 8-2-2005 at 05:09 PM

By correcting you on the state capital in no way means that I agree with you on anything else. My long held battle cry is "lets not try to save the Mexicans from themselves"!

Perfect !

jrbaja - 8-2-2005 at 05:15 PM

Dave - 8-2-2005 at 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by jrbaja
If these foreign "do gooders" would mind their own business, things would happen much faster as far as relieving the pain these critters are living.

Yeah, how so?

The only people who are stalling efforts are the local and state officials who have the power to end this. And I don't recall hearing of any "local" outcry to begin with. It would seem that without foreign intervention nothing would have happened.

Is that what you meant to say? That if foreigners minded their own business nothing would happen much faster?

Has something happened?

jrbaja - 8-2-2005 at 07:26 PM

"It would seem that without foreign intervention nothing would have happened."

Besides 5 years of prolonging the misery that is.

David K - 8-2-2005 at 08:09 PM

Awareness outweighs silence or ignorance jr. Some new Nomad or lurker may have better luck than jeans has had to date... By talking about it in public or at least trying to do some good is better than sticking your head in the sand... at least in the minds of most normal folks.

Would you get MORE clothes, bug spray or baseball equipment if you never mentioned a need (to anyone on Nomad)? I think not... if we didn't know you were a good place to take our donations, then you wouldn't have as much as you have received...

So, lovers of animals or just those who can see a need for improvement in Santiago... come forward. Primarily one Baja Nomad has been doing the most to try and help... there could be more.

Yes. You and I and others are now discussing it.

Dave - 8-2-2005 at 08:13 PM

Which is more than would have happened if no one had "meddled".

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Originally posted by jrbaja
If these foreign "do gooders" would mind their own business, things would happen much faster as far as relieving the pain these critters are living.

Again, the original question:

How so?

And a second:

Why?

David

jrbaja - 8-2-2005 at 09:32 PM

Although the Nomads have made donations, you know very little about the entire program. They come from many places besides a message board and the people down south appreciate all of them. If I were dependant on Nomads for donations, I would be just like you with my posts. I am not!

Dave, if some meddlers hadn't stuck their nose into fixing up this zoo, the smell alone would have got the locals to do something about it. Now they have switched paths to get the animals out of there. Indecision causes many delays and makes those involved look like idiots.

If the meddlers had gone to the right people in the Mexican government rather than just some small gringo message board with a very few people as members comparitively speaking, something would already have been done.

There are many more influential people that live in south Baja and many agencies down there with the power to actually get things done when they need to be. They don't waste their time reading gringo message boards because they have more important things to do.

But when they read that someone is already doing something about it, they assume something is being done. Unfortunately, this is not the case, just a bunch of babble while the animals suffer.

How do you get your licensing, business work, etc. accomplished down here? Through the Baja Nomads board? :lol:

Next thing I expect to hear is that the Baja Nomads has become a new political party :lol:

Come back down to earth people, Papas and Beer gets 3 times the amount of people that are on this board before 9:00 almost every Saturday night! :lol:

David K - 8-2-2005 at 10:11 PM

"I were dependant on Nomads for donations, I would be just like you with my posts. I am not!"

jr, You will never be like me: I don't hate people, call people names, post bigoted comments, put people down for having good intentions, say I know more than anybody because I live somewhere... Call people knuckleheads that leave donations (in this instance me and Santiago).... etc. etc.

You were so nice in person... why do you get so anti social on the Internet?
How long can you keep biting the hands that 'feed' you (donations), before it stops? Your attitude controls your altitude... right now, you are grounded...

I would sure welcome the nice jr to return! I don't dislike you jr, I dislike the way you treat most of the good people on this forum.

Me thinks David

jrbaja - 8-2-2005 at 10:29 PM

that most people on this forum don't come near to being the P-nche gringos I talk about. Some of you sure take it personally though! And you should.

The majority of people who regularly give donations on this board have seen right through the coop group nonsense and continue to help the people down south. They just don't feel the need to brag about it.

I didn't say anything about Santiago or anyone else who gives donations. I'm just kind of tired of you being the one who is always talking about donations. Thanks for the few bags of clothes and 4 or 5 cans of insect repellant David.

In spite of the fact that you were one of the coop group saying I just do what I do for self acclaim or whatever you geniuses came up with, you still gave the people something.

I have mentioned before that I think everyone that comes down should do what I do. Many are. How about you David? Did you leave more things for the local people of Baja or just set another fine example when you were in El Rosario? :no:

Dave - 8-3-2005 at 08:29 PM

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Originally posted by jrbaja
Dave, if some meddlers hadn't stuck their nose into fixing up this zoo, the smell alone would have got the locals to do something about it.

Yeah, right. I wonder how the locals missed the smell when the bear died. I guess everyone must have been up wind.

You really need to invest in a pair of waders because by now I imagine it's getting pretty deep. Or, you could just wait for the "locals" to appear with shovels in hand. You know, the ones with the keen sense of smell.

It took you that long

jrbaja - 8-3-2005 at 09:32 PM

to come up with that? :lol:

Dave, it seems as if we feel the same about zoos. i suggest you go back to the beginning of this story before forming opinions and deciding who needs the waders.

Dave - 8-3-2005 at 09:47 PM

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Originally posted by jrbaja
Dave, it seems as if we feel the same about zoos.

Good.

I'd like to burn it down. Wanna help?

I won't comment on that one

jrbaja - 8-3-2005 at 09:51 PM

and especially on here!

It's no fun life....

Sharksbaja - 8-3-2005 at 11:42 PM

Zoos do suck. No doubt about it. Animals in small cages and pens, be it a circus or petting zoo should have a better life.
Why should these animals be confined in unnatural restricted pens and cages for mans' selfish viewing pleasure. I feel the same way about a 5 ft "touch-tank".