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Big money fish

Anonymous - 8-18-2005 at 10:46 PM

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2...

A 344-pound blue marlin was worth $224,244 for first- place in Bisbee's East Cape Offshore Tournament in the first weekend of August. The annual tournament has become one of the world's biggest billfish events, and takes place at Buena Vista Resort in southern Baja near Cabo San Lucas.

Anonymous - 8-19-2005 at 04:55 AM

Tournaments? Good or bad for the Sea of Cortez?

Anonymous - 8-19-2005 at 06:09 AM

Great for people, bad for animals. People live NEAR the Sea, animals live IN the Sea. Just look at the conservation efforts by millions around the globe to preserve habitat, leave UNMOLESTED wild things roaming freely in that habitat -- then there's the tournaments. Duh!

Anon

Skeet/Loreto - 8-19-2005 at 06:26 AM

From an old tmer: When you would like your Post to be considered as VALID, please use your nmae and give some of the other Posters the curtsey of a Reply.
You should know, unless you are very young, that there are valid Points to be taken on both sides of a Post that seems to be made to start afight between the opposing Points.
Good, Bad, or indeferent, the Human will contuine to catch and Eat fish from the ocean, other people will Cry and whine that they are killing the Planet!

So, if you have some Valid Points, Please Post them, othersise Please leave theSpace for Factual and interesting Posts.

thank you skeet/Loreto

Bruce R Leech - 8-19-2005 at 06:30 AM

Anonymous? Good or bad for the Nomad forum? :?:

wilderone - 8-19-2005 at 08:34 AM

" ...other people will Cry and whine that they are killing the Planet!" Not true. The point is, that with irresponsible fishing techniques, poaching, subverting conservation efforts and general degradation of fish habitat, we are killing ourselves by eradicating a source of food. Mankind cannot be so shortsighted and selfish in their relatively short span of time on earth, to not consider future generations. One only needs to look back one generation to see the results of such shortsightedness and selfishness.

Anon

Bajalero - 8-19-2005 at 08:38 AM

Speaking for myself , I appreciate your post and as far as I'm concerned I could give a rats a** if you post anon or not. I come to the board to see what's happening in baja when I can't be there. I bet 50% of the posts on this board have nothing to do with the peninsula so info in any form is welcome to me.

What's with the few posters here that have a problem with it , I don't know . Some sort of insecurity or a little too Chilango perhaps?

backninedan - 8-19-2005 at 08:57 AM

Couldnt agree more, a name on a post means nothing. Post away anons.

Anonymous Assumptions

MrBillM - 8-19-2005 at 09:21 AM

The most prevalent problem with Anonymous is when you see a bunch of them on one subject and they seem to be in conflict with each other. The assumption has been that they are DIFFERENT people, but perhaps they are all the same person suffering from multiple-personality disorder and they simply don't know who they are at any given moment. Most of the personalities seem deranged so we should give this possibility consideration.

deranged

jerry - 8-19-2005 at 09:49 AM

i just look at anons all as being deranged that way i can just ignore all of them have a good one:lol:

You said it One!

Skeet/Loreto - 8-19-2005 at 10:35 AM

All you have to do is look back to see the Shortsightness

First; Did away with DDT cost the lives of many People

Second; The "Snail-Darter{ Debackle}

Third: The socalled "Global Warming' Non-truths.

Fourth: The ruining of the nations School Systems

Fifth: Taking away the Paddle in Schools

Sixth: The Sierra club

The Poster can find many good and Bad thngs to Post about, the only thing I was trying to get across is that they could have more Respect/Validity if they would be Proud of their Name in stead of Ashamed of their Generaration. Is it Ashamed or Frightfull?

Skeet/Loreto

Bisbees is a good thing....

bajabum - 8-19-2005 at 12:27 PM

This is a catch and release tournement and Bisbees has in fact been the front runner in establishing, promoting and implementing the catch and release billfish movement in Mexico.

Without organizations like Bisbees and a concentrated effort from all sport fishermen the old fashioned irrisponsible ways of the mexicans would not have changed and the Quaility of this fishery would have continued to erode.

Tournements and sportsfishermen have in fact saved this precious resource and are partly responsable for the small amount of regulation we are now seeing in the Sea Of Cortez.

Anonymous - 8-19-2005 at 01:33 PM

My question still continues: Are tournaments good or bad for the Sea of Cortez? The death rate of all caught and released fish, both freshwater and saltwater is an unknown. Very few tagged fish recaptures occur preportionate to the total amount of fish tagged by conservation officials or sportsmen. Could it be that most of these fish simple die from the increased lactic acid build-up in their muscle tissues brought on by the fight against the rod and sink to the bottom? I am concerned with the dwindling fish stocks in the Sea of Cortez..which is a fact that cannot be ignored.

Roses are red, violets are blue, I am schizophrenic..and so am I. Just joking, fer chrissakes. "Levity"

Serious Post comng Tommorrow!

Skeet/Loreto - 8-19-2005 at 02:08 PM

Fish

tehag - 8-19-2005 at 02:40 PM

How do you weigh a 300# fish and release it? Sounds like work.

A little helpful info on releasing fish...

Anonymous - 8-19-2005 at 03:44 PM

To add a little on fish releases:

IF you catch and release. This is info to bring any novice fishermen 'up to speed' on how to correctly land and release fish. Of course this info is for freshwater species mostly, but can be amended 'somewhat' to saltwater gamefish. Be careful! Use gloves! If any are at hand, let more experienced hands do the job. Just remember the BIG difference between brookies and bills!

TacoFeliz - 8-19-2005 at 05:07 PM

'move (344 lb. marlin) gently back and forth in the water, pushing water past the gills, until the fish takes of on its own volition. Don't just just give it a grand toss (!) back into the water.'

I want a picture of that! :biggrin:

Anonymous - 8-19-2005 at 06:21 PM

Don't know about any other anon-posting fisherman here, but it's quite easy and done fairly often. We have done that many times in the past 35 years of fishing Alijos Rocks, Hurricane Banks, Sam's, and all over the East Cape and up the Cortez. Mostly you don't have to revieve the fish, he does that little trick himself...but if he IS exhausted, then holding the bill with a pair of strong non-slip gloved hands will do the trick..having the boat in forward slooowlly moving ahead passing water over the gill plates. Works for us.

Fish

tehag - 8-20-2005 at 08:49 AM

My question wasn't about the release part, but the weighing. How does the crew/fisherperson weigh the fish?

Anonymous - 8-20-2005 at 11:48 AM

You can buy the canvas sling scales, or better yet, make your own canvas/rubber weighing sling using pvc piping and either canvas or rubber sheeting. We have made both...rubber for weighing and releasing sharks...mostly makos.

fish

tehag - 8-20-2005 at 01:19 PM

Thanks.

Anonymous - 8-20-2005 at 04:00 PM

If there are others out there interested in fishing and how to release them...read on.

This is my own experience, fishing the Sea of Cortez and Pacific coasts of North, Central, and South Americas. In particular I want to speak up for sea bass..the giant kind. BIG Bruisers. The kind you don't want to kill or harm. All environmentaly concerned anglers release giant sea bass...there just aren't enough of them left and the big ones are female egg producer/layers. They are not that prolific in the first place and need some help from us humans...anonymously.

Here's what you can do if you do hook into one of these giants:

1. Try to release at a distance...as soon as you realize that you've hooked up to a GSB. Whether that's at the beginning of the fight or at color--the sooner the better. Don't bring the fish to the surface if at all possible.

2. If the fish is on the surface, don't lift it out of the water. Do not gaff the fish, even in the lower jaw. That jaw is not made to withstand the weight of the fish.

3. Do not attempt to 'deflate' the fish--incorrect insertion and/or infection will likely result in the fish's death within 2-3 weeks.

4. If possible, use a pole, break-away weight, or other device to help lower the fish to a depth where it can swim away on it's own.

5. If no device is available, stay on site while the fish recovers its strength. Keeping it safe in its weakness from seagulls, etc.

Just my 2cents, but by being able to recognize giant sea bass and taking these steps to ensure their survival after an incidental hooking, sport fishermen can aid in the rebuilding of the population of this impressive species. Anybody here remember how many huge grouper, sea bass there used to be in the Cortez?

This is true for any fish you want to release that is suffering from depressurization trauma. Don't give them the "point".

bajaloco - 8-20-2005 at 07:07 PM

To determine the weight of large fish without an actual scale is done by measurements. They have formulas which estimate fish weights very accurately. It's done all the time on long range charter boats.

Ken Bondy - 8-20-2005 at 08:48 PM

About 25 years ago I caught, tagged, and released a medium-sized striped marlin (about 125 lbs) fishing on a cruiser out of Hotel Punta Pescadero. The deckhand used a tag provided by the California Department of Fish and Game which had a number on it which was associated with a form I filled out with my address. The form was returned to DFG by the hotel. About a year later I received a card from the CA DFG notifying me that my marlin had been caught on a longline off the northern island of Japan. I thought that was a pretty spectacular trip for that fish to make in a little less than a year. It also told me that at least some released billfish survive (at least until they are caught again!).
++Ken++

Frank - 8-20-2005 at 09:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Anonymous

4. If possible, use a pole, break-away weight, or other device to help lower the fish to a depth where it can swim away on it's own.

5. If no device is available, stay on site while the fish recovers its strength. Keeping it safe in its weakness from seagulls, etc.

Just my 2cents, but by being able to recognize giant sea bass and taking these steps to ensure their survival after an incidental hooking, sport fishermen can aid in the rebuilding of the population of this impressive species. Anybody here remember how many huge grouper, sea bass there used to be in the Cortez?

This is true for any fish you want to release that is suffering from depressurization trauma. Don't give them the "point".




Here is a link to Brads site. He makes a great release tool, and loves thses big black seabass so much he gives away for free. You might also take a look at some of his adventures.
Brad loves the sea

Anonymous - 8-21-2005 at 03:33 AM

Thanks, Frank...I read Brad's site with great interest and have seen similar devices. I will email him for info on his release. Thanks to guys like this giant seabass have hope for survival and recovering numbers.