BajaNomad - Way Too Far Off Topic

Way Too Far Off Topic

bajalera - 3-6-2006 at 10:30 PM

My view of the Off Topic Forum has always been Enter-at-Your-Own-Risk. You don't have to spend much time there to realize that any Democrat who expresses an opinion is instantly attacked by a little pack of Republicans who apparently get their jollies from being rude. (Not being thin-skinned, I've traded insults with them from time to time.)

There are conservative Nomads--notably Braulio, Bernie, Dave and Roberto--who can express political disagreement with civility and reason, but the attack dogs prefer personal insults. Still, I've never thought their posts should be censored.

Then I tuned in to "Guaranteed To Turn A Conservative's Stomach," a thread entered by Grover on 3/2.

On this thread, PJC posted some "photos" of Hillary Clinton
that are totally disgusting. I'm not very fond of Mrs. C., but that sort of gutter trashing on an open forum is beyond the bounds of common decency, no matter whom the victim may be.

I had assumed that PJC would have the good sense to delete this material when other Nomads objected. Instead, he replied, "This is way to [sic] predictable to see you liberal lefties whine about a picture of a partially nekid woman." This was followed up with a statement that liberals "support open sex acts in Gay Parades across the US . . ."

I'm not in favor of censoring PJC. I just think he should be permanently banned from posting on this board. This man is not Nomad material: his interest is not in Baja but in venting venom on anyone who doesn't share his political views.

Does anyone else agree?

bajalera

Packoderm - 3-6-2006 at 10:41 PM

I am not sure what the list of ban-able offenses entails.

David K - 3-6-2006 at 10:50 PM

Lera, I gave up on the off topic forum long ago... Nobody is going to change their views no matter how much logic or insults are traded...

Keep your sanity and come to Nomad for Baja, not for political bashing.

I was so happy when Doug made it so the ugly off topic posts stopped being displayed when we use 'Today's Posts'... Don't go there if you don't like what you see... You will be 'mas contento sin off topic'!

Diver - 3-6-2006 at 10:50 PM

No insult intended, but why not take this post to the off-topic board and let the people that use it respond ? In order to respond to your post, one would have to have specifcally gone to off-topic and looked at the photo in question in order tell you that other than the political sensitivities, who cares !?

Sorry

Sallysouth - 3-6-2006 at 10:54 PM

Hmmmm...Why don't you ask our very own website Man..namely Doug?If you think it is way out of line,just report it? I, personally, don't have the want ,need or time to read most of the the babble there, no offense Lera!Have gone there a few times, and it seems to me to be a boxing match, sumo arena, divorce court, supreme court of any one persons making......I guess that is why it is suppressed from the "todays posts".Just so we "don't have to go there" if we don't want to!

I'm only replying

Gypsy Jan - 3-7-2006 at 12:34 AM

to my impressions of Doug's management of the board.

He is extremely democratic, in the best sense.

Lord, I can't even imagine what grief he puts up with to keep this an open forum, but, cheers.

Free speech is s precious gift and kudos for Doug for protecting it.

My sincere and best advice is, if you don't like what you see on a forum, don't call for censorship, just go someplace else that doesn't offend you so much.

bajajudy - 3-7-2006 at 07:12 AM

Lera
The only choice is to ignore them. They wont go away but at least they wont get you riled up.
Come and join the Kumbaya club, who stay away from off topic and run nekkid on the beach.
I do post the occasional joke(I noticed that you tried that too) over there but never read any of the political stuff.
Have a great day.

ursidae69 - 3-7-2006 at 07:20 AM

I enjoy off-topic talk, especially good debates, but no more on this board. I agree with lera. The report post button in off-topic does nothing. Personally, banning about 4 people (from both sides of the political debate) would do the trick and make the off-topic a legitimate debating spot and a place to enjoy off-topic discussion without being called every name in the book.

Bruce R Leech - 3-7-2006 at 07:36 AM

if you have a complaint why don't you email Doug.

by post this here you have only succeeded in probably making it the most viewed topic of the week.

doesnt anything go in off topic?

I gotta go see what all the fuss is about :lol:

Lera

Baja Bernie - 3-7-2006 at 08:02 AM

First thanks for the nice words---But I go there myself and I normally learn things that I would not be exposed to in other places. I do not agree with the silly name calling and am quite often turned off by it. I find that a shame because most of these guys ( didn?t include the gals because they seldom become involved the name calling) have a lot of knowledge to share?both from the right and the left. I often agree with some of the things that you say and feel that for that I am much more open minded and willing to consider others opinions.

I am quite often amazed at how these people can marshal their thoughts and their ability to call up facts (and some not so factual facts) and links to information I would have never reviewed without their input.

I do believe that BB often hurts his strongly held views by trashing others ( I just do not understand what that accomplishes) when logic just might change someone?s own views. No, not those directly involved, but the lurkers can pick and choose and come away a little wiser from the visit.

?Canned replies and rebuttals? are obvious and are easy to tune out.

Truth be known I get turned off by some things said by others on this forum (the only exception I can think of is the recipe section) and I?m sure that I have angered others at times.

I believe what Doug is doing is more than adequate.

Free speech seems to be less and less free in our general society. Let?s work to keep it on the Nomad Board.

Bruce R Leech - 3-7-2006 at 08:45 AM

ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh Skeet don't leave you are one of the good guys.

Skeet...

eetdrt88 - 3-7-2006 at 09:42 AM

you are one of the people that make this board interesting,even if I dont agree with all your comments...we recently lost 2 very interesting people that passed away...cant afford to lose any more :no:

Diver - 3-7-2006 at 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by eetdrt88
...we recently lost 2 very interesting people that passed away...cant afford to lose any more :no:

HERE, HERE !!!!!

BajaNomad - 3-7-2006 at 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ursidae69
The report post button in off-topic does nothing.

My recollection and select archives do not show where you've reported any particular post in that area. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I do have other commentary from you on the off-topic areas, but no report of a specific post.

Folks, I'm happy to review anything you report. If it's something in the off-topic area, it should (please) be a significant issue.

btw... sending a report via the board is more efficient than sending me an email to have a particular post reviewed.

Thanks,
--
Doug

I have only recently found myself "sucked into the vortex" of the off topic forum.

vgabndo - 3-7-2006 at 12:36 PM

I have to claim that I have never used profanity or porn, and have tried to keep my arguments civil and defenceable. Today I failed. I had promised that I would no longer respond to the provocation of those few who only seem to slur people, and "copy and paste" their hate. Once a Marine always a Marine they say. I'm not much good at turning the other cheek.

Today I called names, and I apologize to the civil people on all the forums for that.

Bernie, again I agree with you. Skeet, we disagree very strongly on a lot of issues, but you're cool man. You are civil, if dogmatic, with your posts. That's all I ask.

Thanks again to Doug for the off-topic forum. It really cleaned up the Baja related areas where I still spend the vast majority of my very enjoyable time.

ursidae69 - 3-7-2006 at 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaNomad

Quote:

Originally posted by ursidae69
The report post button in off-topic does nothing.

It was over a month ago right about the time I decided to end all dealings in off-topic, so I do not recall the exact post, sorry.

How about you have someone moderate the off-topic? Not subjects, just for personal attacks and adult content. This site needs neither.

bajajudy - 3-7-2006 at 02:37 PM

Every time (all 2 of them) that I have used the report button, the offensive material was removed. Once a picture and another time a word.

Use that and see if it doesnt work for you too.

Projection?

Dave - 3-7-2006 at 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Hose A What is the definiton of a "senile religious hipocrite"

Not to worry, Skeet. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

dear lera

sylens - 3-7-2006 at 05:49 PM

my reaction to the photo is much the same as you describe. but skeet's posted response to it was enough to remind me that even the worst of the worst can elicit something good. one of the few times i agreed with something he said

my vote is not to censor, but to keep the level of dialog as high as we can
:saint:

despite the flame throwers' attempts to keep it at the second grade guttersnipe level :no:

Bruce R Leech - 3-7-2006 at 07:43 PM

if you dint like it there then don't go there. what could be simpler?

that is what it is for, a place for some people to go to vent what ever.

Thank god for the off topic fourm it keeps the rest clean.

Besides I really don't think those are Hillery's chi chi's :lol:

Come on Grover

Baja Bernie - 3-8-2006 at 09:52 AM

Put it back on the off-topic board.

Weak Stomachs

MrBillM - 3-8-2006 at 10:42 AM

I just love this Lefty whining about a lack of civility. Liberals seem to place so much value on so little substance.

Anyone who hasn't the "stomach" to handle the verbal barbs without whining that "you're not being nice" is someone who is ill-equiped to handle life's challenges. A typical Lib trait.

The same is true of those whose "tranquility" is disturbed by having to read the confrontational threads. If your mental processes are negativelyaffected by ANY of these threads, you've got a serious problem and you're taking this nonsense WAY too seriously. It is good, though, to have confirmation that the Liberal thought process is so fraught with delicacy.

schadenfreude, for those who don't go to off-topic

vgabndo - 3-8-2006 at 07:44 PM

translates into English as:

TAKING PLEASURE IN SOMEONE ELSE'S MISFORTUNE.

Bill...take it back to OFF-TOPIC...PLEASE

NO

MrBillM - 3-8-2006 at 08:20 PM

I think I've already said this, but I will contribute where and when I desire. The Lefties with weak stomachs and easily bruised mentalities will simply have to endure or go away.

Good job, though, on educating the masses on the definition of "Schadenfreude". I note that you've done that a couple of times now. Great word, isn't it ? No surprise that I embrace it, is there ?

Packoderm - 3-9-2006 at 10:09 AM

I think the anonymity of these boards tend to bring out the worst in some people. I was just reading some of the Off Topic stuff, and the aggressive behavior or some of these nuts is as bad as anything you'll see on a professional wrestling show on TV. They're probably ok in person - or maybe not; I've seen some real wing-nuts in my time.

Also, some of the personal insults/attacks could possibly be entertaining if they weren't so predictable. Using such attacks so often seems to dilute the power of these insults as opposed to the sting of a well timed zinger. They're just trolling I'm sure. Nothing better to do I guess.

During the past several years, one poster has suggested that we drop an atom bomb on every single spot on the globe in which the U.S. has had a disagreement with their leader. As each of these troubles spring forth, the same reaction is, "We should just nuke them." Are we supposed to take this sort of stuff seriously? Does not wanting to drop an atom bomb on every country we've had a disagreement with (perhaps 15 countries in the last couple of years) make me a liberal with a "soft stomach?"

Bruce R Leech - 3-9-2006 at 11:05 AM

I think the real victim here is the model that is the body double for Hilary. imagine that poor girl seeing her body with Hillery's head stuck on it.

Diver - 3-9-2006 at 11:42 AM

Are you sure it's not really her ???

They all look younger; maybe a wild vacation to the middle east while Monica was keeping Billy busy ?? :lol:

same ol', same ol'

Sharksbaja - 3-9-2006 at 02:26 PM

stuff :rolleyes:

Are we still sorting the Nomads by religion and politics (and profanity)? :lol:

Nice to be back! :lol:

Nuclear Nuts

MrBillM - 3-9-2006 at 06:18 PM

You're Right, Pacman. The answer to International disagreements is not to "Nuke Em". It would make the Nuked area unuseable and the Fallout would stream beyond the offending country's Borders.

A more reasonable approach to International problems would be a CIA Hit team to take out the offending Dictator or perhaps some biological agent that would disperse within a short period of time. Used with discretion, we could take over the economic bounty of the dying nations.

Although I do have a Conservative viewpoint, I try to always maintain an air of moderation and common sense, trying never to insult the Imbeciles who disagree with me. If I am too predictable, Well, That's Life. Like it or Stick it, I could care less.

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[Edited on 3-10-2006 by MrBillM]