Over the years all of my trips to the Baja have been between December and April. During the earlier years the weather was excellent, blue skies 95% of
the time, hot, and never more than a couple of raindrops. It seems to me during these last few years the weather has been getting worse. When I was in
Los Barrilles in 2003 the weather was overcast quite a bit and a little cold. In 2005 out at Todos Santos there was a lot of overcast weather and we
had several major rainstorms with cool weather. Is it just me or does it seem like the weather is getting worse. I didn't make it down this year but
I'm curious to know how the weather was during 2005-2006? jerry - 4-13-2006 at 11:29 AM
i think weather patterns are changing all over the world??? globle warming??
there were many clouds
Dianamo - 4-13-2006 at 11:44 AM
I was in BCS three seperate times during the winter, I did notice a several days of overcast weather. It did rain at least one day that I know of.
Someone who lives there full-time could tell us if it is changing.
DianaMoDiver - 4-13-2006 at 12:10 PM
This was undoubtedly the coldest January and February we have ever experienced in Baja.Bruce R Leech - 4-13-2006 at 12:39 PM
our weather is on a cycle with El nino just like you people to the north. so our weather will vary from year to year.
doesn't have anything to do with global warming which is also on a normal cycle that has little or nothing to due with our wasteful use of fossil
fuels and other chemicals.
how arrogant we humans are to think that we can control mother nature. by burning a little more or less wood on our camp firescapt. mike - 4-13-2006 at 03:42 PM
just don't take Art Bell or George Noory too seriously............global warming............what a hoot!
listen to what that knumbskull Al Bore has to say about it, talk about a whack job!bajajudy - 4-13-2006 at 04:08 PM
All I know is that it never got below 50 on my porch this winter and it has in the past 6 years every year.Pompano - 4-13-2006 at 04:18 PM
In 1973 it hailed 2-3 inches thick in the mountains and beaches of Coyote Bay.
In 1983 it snowed near Sta. Rosalia, leaving the Tres Virgenes snowcapped. The same winter it was below freezing for a week at Punta Chivato. Ice
formed every night in pans and buckets of fresh water.
There have been numerous frosts over the last 30-odd years in the Mulege valley...freezing many tomatoes, oranges, etc.
Cold has been commonplace, it seems...at least for the last half-century.Paula - 4-13-2006 at 04:24 PM
The winters in Loreto seem chillier to me than in my first years down. November2001 was HOT in my memory, as were the winter months of2003-04. Fall
2004 into winter 2005there was a lot of rain, and many jeans and sweatshirt days. This past fall/winter has been very dry, exceptionally windy, and
quite cool Nov- early March. This is my very subjective opinion.
Bruce, I hope you are right, and that it is an el nino cycle. They say global warming makes it warmer up north, and cooler farther south, and many
credible scientists say it is a fact. We'll have to wait and see...bancoduo - 4-13-2006 at 04:26 PM
The record low for Acapulco is 28 degrees
if the weather was the same..
eetdrt88 - 4-13-2006 at 07:04 PM
day after day,year after year....seems like it might be kind of a boring world to live in,right now its the hottest its been all year here in So.Cal
but theyre predicting mucho rain and thunderstorms manana...we'll seejerry - 4-13-2006 at 07:27 PM
I HAVE MY DOUGHT EVEN IF IT IS GLOBLE WARMING WE WILL BE AROUND TO SEE IT
KAY SARA SARABruce R Leech - 4-13-2006 at 07:39 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by jerry
I HAVE MY DOUGHT EVEN IF IT IS GLOBLE WARMING WE WILL BE AROUND TO SEE IT
KAY SARA SARA
Ill second that Jerry
Weather
jack - 4-14-2006 at 12:45 PM
So it seems as if this year was a little cool and rainy, but not as bad as 2005 was. You say it's just a weather pattern, and here I was blaming it on
Golbal Warming.
Now who can I blame?Diver - 4-14-2006 at 12:52 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Paula
They say global warming makes it warmer up north, and cooler farther south, ...
That doesn't fit this passed winter, it was a pretty cold winter up in the northwest, as well.vandenberg - 4-14-2006 at 01:09 PM
Hey Jerry
And what do Kay, Sara and Sara think of all this??Paula - 4-14-2006 at 01:35 PM
I'm feeling a little silly about my previous post. Five years of undocumented perrsonal opinion doesn't really say anything aboutt the weather trends
or reasons for them.But to embarrass myself further I will say that after 30+ winters in Montana, they have been milder for the past 10 or 15. This
also says nothing about weather patterns or reasons for them. I do tend to give some credence to the opinions of scientists who don't work for oil or
power companies on this issue, but haven't looked at the data they use, and if I did I wouldn't know how to interpret it. Interesting topic, and I
hope the scientists are wrong.
Mis felicidades to Kay, Sara and Sara, Jerry!jerry - 4-14-2006 at 02:02 PM
vandenburg
what ever will be will be the futures not ours to see( ta da)
Science Has Spoken: Global Warming is a Myth.
Pompano - 4-14-2006 at 02:13 PM
Mankind causing Greenhouse effect?...Global warming? Balderdash and poppyc-ck. Stuff for a Starbuck's coffee clutch of sophomores who can't find
girls to date.
The global-warming hypothesis is no longer tenable. Scientists have been able to test it carefully, and it does not hold up. During the past 50 years,
as atmospheric carbon dioxide levels have risen, scientists have made precise measurements of atmospheric temperature. These measurements have
definitively shown that major atmospheric greenhouse warming of the atmosphere is not occurring and is unlikely ever to occur.
The temperature of the atmosphere fluctuates over a wide range, the result of solar activity and other influences. During the past 3,000 years, there
have been five extended periods when it was distinctly warmer than today. One of the two coldest periods, known as the Little Ice Age, occurred 300
years ago. In New England, colonists called it the Summer That Never Came. Atmospheric temperatures have been rising from that low for the past 300
years, but remain below the 3,000-year average.
Why are temperatures rising? The gradual warming since the Little Ice Age and the large fluctuations during that warming have been caused by changes
in solar activity..our sun.The highest temperatures during this period occurred in about 1940. During the past 20 years, atmospheric temperatures have
actually tended to go down, based on very reliable satellite data, which have been confirmed by measurements from weather balloons.
Consider what this means for the global-warming hypothesis. This hypothesis predicts that global temperatures will rise significantly, indeed
catastrophically, if atmospheric carbon dioxide rises. Most of the increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide has occurred during the past 50 years, and
the increase has continued during the past 20 years. Yet there has been no significant increase in atmospheric temperature during those 50 years, and
during the 20 years with the highest carbon dioxide levels, temperatures have decreased.
In science, the ultimate test is the process of experiment. If a hypothesis fails the experimental test, it must be discarded. Therefore, the
scientific method requires that the global warming hypothesis be rejected.
Why, then, is there continuing scientific interest in "global warming"? There is a field of inquiry in which scientists are using computers to try to
predict the weather--even global weather over very long periods. But global weather is so complicated that current data and computer methods are
insufficient to make such predictions. Although it is reasonable to hope that these methods will eventually become useful, for now computer climate
models are very unreliable.
So we needn't worry about human use of hydrocarbons warming the Earth. We also needn't worry about environmental calamities, even if the current,
natural warming trend continues: After all the Earth has been much warmer during the past 3,000 years without ill effects.
But we should worry about the effects of the hydrocarbon rationing proposed at the Kyoto talks of 1997. A little known, or more importantly..
'acknowledged'.. fact is that hydrocarbon use has MAJOR environmental benefits. A great deal of research has shown that increases in atmospheric
carbon dioxide accelerate the growth rates of plants and also permit plants to grow in drier regions. Animal life, which depends upon plants, also
increases. ( Note: might we possibly see some benefit of this in Baja?...even for those damn golf courses?)
Standing timber in the United States has already increased by 30% since 1950? There are now 60 tons of timber for every American. Tree-ring studies
further confirm this spectacular increase in tree growth rates. It has also been found that mature Amazonian rain forests are increasing in biomass at
about two tons per acre per year. A composite of 279 research studies predicts that overall plant growth rates will ultimately double as carbon
dioxide increases.
Hydrocarbons have always caused a Lush Environment.
What mankind is doing is moving hydrocarbons from below ground and turning them into living things. We are living in an increasingly lush environment
of plants and animals as a result of the carbon dioxide increase. Our children will enjoy an Earth with twice as much plant and animal life as that
with which we now are blessed. This is a wonderful and unexpected gift from the industrial revolution.
Hydrocarbons are needed to feed and lift from poverty vast numbers of people across the globe. This can eventually allow all human beings to live
long, prosperous, healthy, productive lives. No other single technological factor is more important to the increase in the quality, length and
quantity of human life than the continued, expanded and unrationed use of the Earth's hydrocarbons, of which we have proven reserves to last more than
1,000 years. Global warming is a myth. The reality is that global poverty and death would be the result of Kyoto's rationing of hydrocarbons.
"Science Has Spoken: Global Warming Is a Myth"
by Arthur B. Robinson and Zachary W. Robinson
Arthur Robinson and Zachary Robinson are chemists at the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine.
___________________________________________
There you are, nomads, that's one side of the coin from scientists. Believe it...or not? What's your take on global warming? It's a Hot Issue! Me?
I tend to believe in scientific research...boring though it may be at times, it remains our gauge of the world and it's future.Paula - 4-14-2006 at 03:14 PM
Good 'evvins, Pompano
...not only do you listen to the voices at the bottom of your tackle box, you listen to scientists from CAVE JUNCTION OREGON
Not to worry, Paula....I am but the messenger.
Pompano - 4-14-2006 at 03:29 PM
Really just playing Devil's Advocate here....always two sides to every question....
p.s. I love what Samuel Clemens said....It were not best that we should all think alike; it is difference of opinion that makes horse-races.
[Edited on 4-14-2006 by Pompano]Paula - 4-14-2006 at 04:17 PM
That is so true, Pompano, two sides to every question. And in the same way you can support most any side of an argument with a bible verse, you can
usually find a scientist or several to support whatever opinion you might hold.
So who can tell me how a person comes up with a well-informed opinion? On any issue, not just global warming.Pompano - 4-14-2006 at 04:27 PM
"So who can tell me how a person comes up with a well-informed opinion? On any issue, not just global warming."
Paula, That is the $64,000 question, isn't it? I do know that we usually get 3 forms of education....from our parents, from our schooling, and the
last from the world...The third quite often counteracts all that the others teach us. It is an on-going process it appears...and here I thought I
had retired.
[Edited on 4-14-2006 by Pompano]Paula - 4-14-2006 at 05:17 PM
"It were not best that we should all think alike; it is a difference of opinion that makes horseraces."
Yes... and many flavors make a good stew. So in a free society, there will always be differences of opinion. What concerns me here is the quality
of the process that goes into forming an idea more than the end result. To get to the heart of an issue, does one listen to one news source or many?
Do we accept the words of an expert as fact, or do we look at his credentials and motives? Do we listen with open minds to the other side? Do we
assume that our politicians have our best interests at heart, or might we sometimes question them? (that line should get a rise from a fwe people!)
Do we ask our friends when we are unsure and assume that their information is the best because they are our friends? Do we pay attention to our own
intuition? Listen to our hearts? All of the above?
What we believe makes a difference, and we have a responsibility to think critically and clearly. Although we may not all reach the same conclusions,
the steps we all take in getting to where we each get to are important.
That was all about the weather. Really.
[Edited on 4-15-2006 by Paula]Pompano - 4-14-2006 at 05:30 PM
Paula..I am not young enough to know everything, I have always tried to prepare myself as best I can..helps you get lucky. Nobody short of a deity
knows all the answers to everything...and who would want to? What would be left? I just listen to the voices in my tackle box..and I take what they
say with a grain of salt.
What was the subject again?Paula - 4-14-2006 at 05:50 PM
Weather. Truth be told, I don't have many answers either.Paula - 4-14-2006 at 08:56 PM
Pompano, the subject was actually global warming, and I got sidetracked thinking of how some people seem to arrive at their conclusions on this
complex issue. It had to do with some dismissive comments earlier in this thread, and wasn't directed at any one in particular. That said, global
warming isn't a political issue, and it pains me to see it treated as one-- conservatives say its baloney, liberals say scientific fact, and really
none of us know for sure. Maybe some can make a more educated guess. But we'll all be better off for having a civil conversation on the issue.
So, I am sorry for babbling, and for being so far from the point of discussion.
Coffee in Loreto stands a spoon up nicely, but a fork tends to lean a little.
And what DO we all think of global warming?villadelfin - 4-15-2006 at 01:54 AM
It was a little hot in La Paz today. Tecolote was 87? and it was around 104? near Sorianas.jack - 4-15-2006 at 10:15 AM
"It was a little hot in La Paz today. Tecolote was 87? and it was around 104? near Sorianas. "
Now this is what I really like to hear, and see....Its hot enough to make the candles lean.