BajaNomad - What the f*** is wrong with these people?

What the f*** is wrong with these people?

Anonymous - 11-20-2003 at 09:14 AM

By Arturo Salinas
ASSOCIATED PRESS
4:25 p.m. November 19, 2003

TIJUANA, Mexico ? State agents arrested four Tijuana police officers in connection with the rape of an American tourist as she and her family were walking back across the border into San Diego, authorities said Wednesday.

According to the victim's testimony, she, her husband and her young son crossed the border for the day on Oct. 7 and were on their way back into the United States when they were stopped by four municipal police officers outside the Viva Tijuana shopping center, 55 yards (50 meters) from the San Ysidro Port of Entry, said Diana Escalante, a spokeswoman for the attorney general's office in Baja California state, where Tijuana is located.

Two of the officers forced the father and son to walk to several nearby ATM machines and then robbed the money they withdrew. Another officer took the wife to a Mexican police office located adjacent to San Ysidro's pedestrian crossing and raped her while the fourth officer stood guard outside, according to the criminal complaint the family filed with Escalante's office.

The police later let the family go and the trio crossed the border before contacting U.S. authorities with their story. The husband and wife returned to Tijuana in subsequent weeks and were able to identify the four suspects from pictures of local police officers, said Liza Davis, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Consulate in Tijuana.

The rape victim and her family asked consulate officials not to release their names or their home state, Davis said.

"Extortion is common, but this is a much more serious crime and its not something that happens, or is at least reported to us very often here," Davis said. "This is a positive case in some ways because of the response of Mexican authorities. We are really pleased at how the authorities on this side of the border have responded."

Arrested Tuesday night were Officers Hector Manuel Arias, Victor Lopez and Jesus Ortiz. A fourth officer, Benjamin Rodriguez, was detained early Wednesday, Escalante said.

Arias faces rape and abuse of power charges while Lopez and Ortiz have been charged with extortion and abuse of power. Rodriguez, the suspected lookout, is being held on charges he failed to report a crime in progress.

"We've never had a case like this in recent years," Escalante said. "Police extortion is common among tourists, come on, but we've never had a rape. This is a surprising and graphic case."

The officers were suspended from duty upon their arrests and were being held at the attorney general's Tijuana headquarters, where investigators took their depositions Wednesday, Escalante said.

Lopez, Ortiz and Rodriguez were expected to be freed on bail, but a judge refused to set bond for Arias, the suspect facing rape charges, and ordered him to remain behind bars indefinitely.
one more time: what bs !
"We've never had a case like this in recent years," Escalante said. "Police extortion is common among tourists, come on, but we've never had a rape. This is a surprising and graphic case."

I thought your header was way too strong...

Stephanie Jackter - 11-20-2003 at 11:21 AM

and then I opened the post and went "What the...!!!! Can you believe they let two of the creeps out on bond? Like forcibly extorting money from someone's ATM card is somehow, less criminal. It was part of a whole package of violence toward this family and they should all be hung out to dry! Man alive! - Stephanie

Bajabus - 11-20-2003 at 11:24 AM

I support the death penalty in rare instances. This would be one of them.

Actually it would be to merciful. I say give em plastic surgery to look like bush and set em loose in tikrit Iraq.

Skeet/Loreto - 11-20-2003 at 12:02 PM

Now! Now! Bus you should be more forgiving and Tolorant!!
After all some of your Le Brool buddies would say "Poor Babies their Mother is to Fault for not potty training them in the proper method.,

sorry I just saw the new word being used by Rush,just had to try it. I do not listen to Rush,He repeats himself too much. Anyway Its to bad we don"t have laws to take care of bad peopl fast with out pain. O Course this happens all the time in the States.Skeet/Loreto

Better yet

Big Al - 11-20-2003 at 12:48 PM

Better yet, Bajabus, Give them plastic surgery to look like Bin Laden and Sadaam Insane and turn them loose in NY

Big Al

Bajabus - 11-20-2003 at 12:56 PM

hee heee heee, very funny guys. I may have liberal tendencies but as stated before I am definitly not mahatma gandi.

Big Al good point, save the taxpayers some money and avoid the overseas ticket costs.

jeans - 11-20-2003 at 01:05 PM

This is really sad and almost too much to believe. I would like to know more on exactly where this happened and how they could get away with it at the time it was committed.

I really commend those people for going back and pressing charges after such a horrendous violation on so many levels.

I walked back across the border only once about 11 years ago. It was in January about 6:00 pm so it was dark. I was alone.

I don't know what the route is like today, but back then there were these two stairwells that take you to the pedestrian bridge over the river. There were no lights and a sea of people moving up & down the stairs in total darkness. It was terrifiying. I have not walked across the border since.

[Edited on 11-20-2003 by jeans]

Jeans, it's still the same today

Debra - 11-20-2003 at 01:18 PM

and it's scary even in the daylight.

Anonymous - 11-20-2003 at 01:30 PM

Try and imagine the law enforcement climate that would enable these people to even contemplate doing such things, and you will be close to understanding just exactly where your basic civil rights stand when you are in Mexico. Go, have fun, but do it with the understanding that you are in a totally corrupt environment, with not a leg to stand on. If the cops being held over can come up with the dough, they'll walk; you can count on it.

Bajabus - 11-20-2003 at 01:32 PM

sad but true anon

Anonymous - 11-20-2003 at 02:25 PM

Sorry if the header offended some of you but that was my true reaction and I stand by it. I truly wish we had a Prez w nuts enough to stand up to this essentially terrorist government to our south and play hard ball w them. Teddy Roosevelt wouldn't have let this crap go on and on -the drugs, assaults, smuggling , holding Americans or their possessions hostage, illegal confiscation's and rampant illegal entry into this country , basically unchecked, to name a few.. Fact is , if your a tourist , especially a Caucasian , YOUR A TARGET. I'm preparing a letter to send to various people demanding the resignation of TJ's "chief " of thieves . I hope you'll join me in sending a clear message . The last (reiterated) paragraph to me says it all. There is an acceptance attitude that this is normal. By the way , an acquaintance of mine was involved in a similar act. They never reported it and they never went back. It ruined his wife emotionally . The press needs to hear of each and every incident and we need to let Mexico know how we feel w our pocket books. This was not an uncommon incident.

JESSE - 11-20-2003 at 07:57 PM

Its all tue, its all over the news here, we all want them hang from their nuts from the tallest Mexican flag in town.

Not good!

Baja Red - 11-21-2003 at 09:33 AM

I have walked across plenty of times in the last 5 years. My girlfriend and I (and she is blonde) go there to eat tacos have a "few" Pacificos, and do a little shopping on Revolucion. We have never had a problem. This is such a sad and unfortunate happening. I really feel bad for the whole family! I really hope that Tijuana authorities will take the proper steps to bring these "policeman" to justice. It really sickens me because I really have enjoyed going to TJ for the day and now I may think twice about going there and spending my money. The ironic part about this is I am going to Bajamar on Monday to golf. My friend that is going with me has never been across the border. I hope that he does not see this news. We were going to walk across the border and go into TJ on Sunday afternoon. Now I don't know. Should we learn to stay "home"?

OMG!!!!

BajaBronco - 11-21-2003 at 10:57 AM

This news is VERY SAD....very very sad

God bless to the victims.

We saw it on the news, I tried to NOT pay attention.... hearing the news, really...really hit me straight to the heart.

This incident put a negative impact on us, we enjoy mexico and shop, eat tacos there sometimes, we live approx. 35 min. from the border. We BRING money to them' we help them, tourisms bring income to them etc... now I'am thinking twice on going there, I look at mexico police officers' different, I don't think we can TRUST them anymore, I know not all are bad, but its hard to believe... :rolleyes:

why are things so corrupted nowadays....I hope they create a new law to some extent to punish criminals there. Those poor family are scarred for life!!! :?:

Someone's gotta do something about this, this CANNOT go without a HUGE battle!!!

Baja Red If your friend hears the news it well prolly freak him out, and you wanna show him a good time, when you guys go...be safe and watch your backs... we love mexico so much' gotta find a way to NOT let this happen to any individuals, I hope this is a wakeup call for the authorities in states and protect us more. Being a female freaks me out about the rape...OMG' i'd prolly grab one of thier gun and shoot them if i could... I'm sorry but this really peeed me off. I can't believe they just LET the bastards out so fast!

Anonymous Great Post, WE ARE WITH YOU ALL THE WAY, this sort of rip'off's is happening more and more, and if anyone is planning to involve the press, SEND OUT CLEAR MESSAGE or do whatever it takes, we are with you on that, this is rediculous!!!

Thanks for sharing guys!

~Marissa~

[Edited on 08-25-1973 by BajaBronco]

That's why guns are good.

FlyGirl - 11-21-2003 at 11:24 AM

The main thing I don't like about going to Mexico is having to leave my concealed weapon behind.
Here, I wouldn't leave home without it.
But in Mexico, we are defenseless.

Anonymous - 11-21-2003 at 11:28 AM

What is most disturbing to me, is that this happened to a group of three: a husband and wife, with their child. You would probably assume you were safe from this type of crime because you would not consider a family as a target. Do I arm myself now? How rough would they have gotten if you'd scream and make a scene?

BajaBronco - 11-21-2003 at 11:37 AM

I'wont shoot and kill' em' just prolly on thier NUTS. I'm sorry' i know that's violent and I don't know exactly how it is. I just wish and bless the wife', specially the child (family) the best!

That is why, now I like to caravan, go with A LOT of group of people if possible to go to Baja or wherever!

~Marissa~

[Edited on 08-25-1973 by BajaBronco]

jeans - 11-21-2003 at 11:50 AM

Here are some addresses to start with. (Thank you to Stephanie who posted Fox's address earlier)

Lic Vicente Fox Quesada
Presidente Constitucional de M?xico
E-mail: vicentefox@presidencia.gob.mx

Tijuana Tourism Board
Blvd. Agua Caliente # 4558 11th Floor, Ste.1108
Torres de Agua Caliente
Col. Aviaci?n, 22420
(664) 686-1103/686-1345
Info@seetijuana.com
http://www.seetijuana.com

US Consulate
Av. Tapachula #96 Col Hipodromo
CP 22420
(664) 622-7400
US # for Emergencies (619) 692-2154

State Tourism Office
10289 Paseo de los Heroes,
Zona Rio Tijuana, BC
(664) 634-6330, (664) 634-6574
Fax (664) 634-7157
http://DiscoverBajaCalifornia.com
infotur@baja.gob.mx

I would suggest sending them the copy of this AP report and expressing your outrage and highlight the quote "Escalante said. "Police extortion is common among tourists, come on,...."".

I will do this today.

[Edited on 11-21-2003 by jeans]

In cases like this,

Stephanie Jackter - 11-21-2003 at 12:04 PM

public condemnation can get way more done than any gun carrying. If you have the energy to write to a message board, have the energy to write a note condemning the release of these crooks to these officials. If enough people threaten to keep their dollars on the U.S. side of the border (and follow through on that threat), this kind of thing will change very quickly. Sometimes it's all about the money. I'll get a letter out today. - Stephanie

JESSE - 11-21-2003 at 12:33 PM

This is by no means a regular event here, the fact is that wethere some like it or not, Mexico is still far safer than your regular American city, and when it comes to sex crimes, its even more safer here.

Fly Baja - 11-21-2003 at 01:20 PM

Regarding the following post:

"I'm preparing a letter to send to various people demanding the resignation of TJ's "chief " of thieves . I hope you'll join me in sending a clear message . The last (reiterated) paragraph to me says it all. There is an acceptance attitude that this is normal. By the way , an acquaintance of mine was involved in a similar act. They never reported it and they never went back. It ruined his wife emotionally . The press needs to hear of each and every incident and we need to let Mexico know how we feel w our pocket books."

That was indeed a terrible incident. It was reported in the San Diego Union-Tribune this morning. When one sends a letter, should it be signed "Anonymous" or would it be more effective if one used his name?

A few more details

jeans - 11-21-2003 at 02:43 PM

Today's SD Union Trib article. Note that they used her buying prescription drugs without a Mexican prescription as the initial reason for the "shakedown" setup.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/uniontrib/fri/metro/news_...

Packoderm - 11-21-2003 at 05:56 PM

As a matter of fact, I can think of an entirely appropriate punishment for this particular sex offender; I believe that in this case, the eye for an eye sort of thing might apply.

Dear Stephanie

Anonymous - 11-21-2003 at 09:24 PM

things are not what they seem

cultural, deep, resentment conspires on defenseless victims who think they travel in safety.

When travelling in Baja Norte, BEWARE.

Imotent email addresses in Mexico

Phil S - 11-22-2003 at 06:56 AM

Jean. Just had an email to Vincente Fox returned. Do you have a more current email address? You showed vincentefox@presidencia.gob.mx

davnjo - 11-22-2003 at 08:36 AM

Jesse. I agree, to some extent. I am not in fear of a "shakedown" by the police, in the U.S. The police, in Baja, all seem to have their own little fifedom. I am more in fear of the police than any other entity in Mexico. That's a shame.

i never stop in tj

jerry - 11-22-2003 at 11:58 AM

i been going down to mexico since 1990 the first time i stoped in tj but afterseeing that sewer i never stopped again i try to not stop till i get below ensanada thats real mexico a lot of ppl judge mexico by the border towns if they ever got into real mexico they would have a different opion its a sad but true fact when you have that many poor ppl in one place that curruption runs on all levels i think we should starve the border towns out till the shape up dont spend a dime there its our only recorse jerry

The Gull - 11-22-2003 at 12:35 PM

My mail to Fox went through without a rejection message. Let's see if there is an answer. :fire:

JESSE - 11-22-2003 at 04:07 PM

Its no secret that in Mexico the most morally repugnant and shameful jobs are:

1.-Police officer
2.-Politician

I would rather clean toilets than be a cop in Mexico, i couldn?t live with myself knowing what people think of me.

That cop that raped that women, will get buttraped over and over again once he makes it to the state pen, that should be punishment enough.

Packoderm - 11-22-2003 at 06:21 PM

Jesse; isn?t what?s likely to happen to this officer, if convicted, pretty much what I suggested in an earlier post by me on this thread?

Grover......

Debra - 11-22-2003 at 06:42 PM

PLEASE tell me you're not serious!

BajaBronco - 11-22-2003 at 07:05 PM

Quote:

Hey; maybe they\'ll make posole of \'em with that industrial meat grinder trick a few years ago in the Reader.

Ohhh damnnn'...

are you serious?

JESSE - 11-22-2003 at 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Packoderm
Jesse; isn?t what?s likely to happen to this officer, if convicted, pretty much what I suggested in an earlier post by me on this thread?

Yes, rapist become the victims of rape in jail, its the law according to the criminal underworld, this happens all over the world.

JESSE - 11-22-2003 at 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Gull
My mail to Fox went through without a rejection message. Let's see if there is an answer. :fire:

LOL!!! you and 50 million Mexicans would wish some sort of awnser from Mr lameduck.

jeans - 11-22-2003 at 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Phil S
Jean. Just had an email to Vincente Fox returned. Do you have a more current email address? You showed vincentefox@presidencia.gob.mx

I just used the address that Stephanie had posted on another thread. Mine was not returned....at least not yet. I called for the resignation of Diana Escalante, the person whose quote showed that police extortion is common and an accepted part of the tourist experience. They have a long ways to go to get rid of corruption....a long ways....

Packoderm - 11-22-2003 at 11:04 PM

You know what? Nobody has attempted to answer that original question on this thread: ?What the f*** is wrong with these people?? Just what exactly is going on psychologically in their heads that would cause them to do such a thing? It is hard to imagine any amount of hatred or anything like that that would cause me to rape a woman ? much less a woman who is with her family. I hope the investigation is going smoothly and that there is enough credible evidence to convict these creeps.

Hey Packo!

Anonymous - 11-23-2003 at 09:53 AM

Maybe its cultural. They think harming Americans is OK and they can get away with it because we (mex nationals) all hate Americanos?

Watch and listen to their media...they TEACH hatred towards "Norte Americanos"!

What say you?

JESSE - 11-23-2003 at 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Anonymous
Maybe its cultural. They think harming Americans is OK and they can get away with it because we (mex nationals) all hate Americanos?

Watch and listen to their media...they TEACH hatred towards "Norte Americanos"!

What say you?

Troll

The truth hurts

Anonymous - 11-24-2003 at 09:57 AM

You can't handle the truth if you resort to base name calling.

The Gull - 11-24-2003 at 03:10 PM

OK, over on Fred Metcalf's discucssion board you are called Jeff. Here you want to remain anonymous. Over on Fred's board, you are not getting good vibes. Here you think someone has disrespected you by calling you names.

How about you registering and someone may call you what you want (no promises).

:moon::moon::moon::moon:

[Edited on 11-24-2003 by The Gull]

no promises

Anonymous - 11-24-2003 at 04:27 PM

i dont feel disrespected. but i think his discussion point, using a single 'name' is lame.

whose arces? seem a bit "inflamed"

Packoderm - 11-24-2003 at 04:46 PM

Mr. Anonymous, I urge you to post under a registered name; how else can we look up all of your most excellent posts? And furthermore, you run the risk of somebody impersonating you and making quotes for you that may not be to your liking. I see no reason for your anonymity, for you are not making hit-and-run statements. Come on; join the gang. Legit is the way to be my friend.

Bajalero - 11-24-2003 at 06:18 PM

I posted the 1st and 11th post only. Packoderm is apparently correct so I'll be anon no more .

Debra - 11-24-2003 at 08:18 PM

What I was questioning in Grover's comments wasn't that these guys (hopefully) shouldn't get what they deserve....but, the wives and children?

Dave - 11-24-2003 at 09:57 PM

Debra, I am a firm believer that the punishment be disproportionate to the crime. There would be no more jaywalking if the punishment would be amputation of the right leg at the kneecap. For rape how about your wife and children sold into sexual slavery. Think that would be a deterrent? The only criminals left would be true sociopaths. My only requirement would be that the penalties be widely publicized beforehand. That way no one could whine about it.

[Edited on 11-25-2003 by Dave]

Please tell me that this isn't Dave A......

Debra - 11-24-2003 at 10:12 PM

No, I know it can't be! (these 'handles" are getting hard to figure out) I'm trying to understand here, Correct me if I'm misunderstanding please.....Are you saying that what Grover said is okay? Take it out on the wife and children and video it? To send a message????!!!! HOW DANG SICK IS THAT!!!??? An eye for an eye? No problem! His, not theirs!

Packoderm - 11-24-2003 at 10:24 PM

I think punishing innocent wives and children for the crimes of the father might be getting a little too Klingon for my tastes. And Dave, there is a flaw in your logic concerning brutal punishment for lesser crimes. For instance, in medieval England virtually all crimes were punishable by death. What ended up happening was that criminals ceased to differentiate between severities of crimes. If a person was committing property crimes, perhaps due to the lack of any other means of obtaining these things, and the pending punishment is certain death if this person is caught, why not he commit a few murders and rapes? What does he have to lose?

If my son was working in a 7 Eleven, I would want any potential robber to have to think very hard before allowing his crime spree to escalate to murder and hurt my son.

TMSAISTI

"a little too Klingon" for my taste?

Debra - 11-25-2003 at 12:41 AM

It seems with this comment ,maybe (I hope you are) joshin????? I'm going to decide that this is in fun (tongue in cheek)

In the states, I am armed,

FlyGirl - 11-25-2003 at 04:41 PM

and I could PREVENT the attack.
There might be less violent crime in Baja than in the states, but at least in the states I have the right to defend myself.
Although, there is ALWAYS a problem when it's a LAW ENFORCEMENT officer who is the attacker.
We have had several cases of police rapists and they have been convicted and sent to prison.

Skeet/Loreto - 11-28-2003 at 04:15 PM

To All Posters: It would seem that again Hate has cause an evil act.What a shame!!
I think the best punishment would be to cut their nuts and Penis off and make them work at a 'Cathouse empting the Slop[ Jars of the Prostitutes.Skeet/Loreto

Dave - 11-28-2003 at 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
I think the best punishment would be to cut their nuts and Penis off

Why Skeet.....How Christian of you! :lol:

JESSE - 11-28-2003 at 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Anonymous
You can't handle the truth if you resort to base name calling.

The truth doesn?t hide under "anonymous", your a troll.

OK

Anonymous - 11-28-2003 at 08:32 PM

I am MR. "You are a Troll", to you.

Skeet/Loreto - 11-29-2003 at 02:05 PM

Dave: It appears to me that the punishment fits the Crime. Has nothing to do with being a Christian.
It use to be that I would turn the other cheek{8 yrs old}Then I grew up to be a fighter.Still am!!
What would you do Dave?
Call a Phy Major to find out if he got the correct Potty training?
See if he is unemployed and out of work due to Rich folks closing a Plant.
His Father abused him when he was young{used a flyswatter on his butt for lying}
Or just maybe he has been listening to the present day Music and acting out his frustations

Skeet/Loreto

Dave - 11-29-2003 at 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
What would you do Dave?

Why I would do exactly as you suggest however because I am not a Christian, I unlike you am not constrained by one of the basic tenants of your faith:

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"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you. You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust."
----------------------------------------------------

Is this a part of your bible they didn't teach in Sunday school or do you pick and choose the teachings that only you agree with? There is a word for that Skeet.....It's called hypocricy.

Skeet/Loreto - 11-29-2003 at 07:03 PM

Dave: Would you turn the other Cheek if you were going to be killed.?
Survival of the Fittest. Skeet

Dave - 11-29-2003 at 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Dave: Would you turn the other Cheek if you were going to be killed.?

Of course not, I'm not a Christian. If I were and I took my religion seriously, I would.

Survival of the fittest has absolutely no place in Christian dogma. Matter of fact it is anti-Christian. Remember the monkey trial Skeet?

[Edited on 11-30-2003 by Dave]

Bajalero - 1-27-2005 at 10:21 AM

Sounds like the mierda is finally hitting the fan . Hope Rick Roberts has some positive affect.

JESSE - 1-27-2005 at 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajalero
Sounds like the mierda is finally hitting the fan . Hope Rick Roberts has some positive affect.

This is a 2003 story :?:

Jesse

Bajalero - 1-27-2005 at 12:47 PM

I thought it interesting that this particular occurrence was mentioned today on that talk show.

JESSE - 1-27-2005 at 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajalero
I thought it interesting that this particular occurrence was mentioned today on that talk show.

It was? hes a little late isnt he?

Notice!

Skeet/Loreto - 1-27-2005 at 03:55 PM

Please be advised that the Post dated 11/03 on the first page of this thread is not from Me. Some one was playing Games.
Skeet/Loreto

lizard lips - 1-28-2005 at 01:58 PM

Jesse, You are absoluly right. I travel all over Mexico and Latin America and I am convinced that this is an isolated incident and the Police that are involved will be brought to justice. As much as we talk about how corrupt the police are here in Mexico things will never change, not in my lifetime. This has been going on ever since Cortez stepped foot in Mexico. Corruption is here to stay not only here in Mexico but all over the world. Alot of people look at this terrible crime and say " Ill never go back to Mexico" however if you remember a few years ago there was a California Highway Patrolman who raped and killed a woman he had pulled over in San Diego and I dont hear anyone saying " I wont go back to California". The problem is that the police in Mexico are undertrained and underpaid. There is no "Internal Affairs" department in the PD office in Mexican cities that overlook all aspects of police misconduct and there shoud be. I believe in Guadalajara several years ago they tried to promote a IA office and several officers from that division were murdered as well. These officers need to made examples of and their punishment should be harsh however the Penal Code book in Mexico gives specific prison terms for each offense and these punishments are followed to the tee and they are not that bad as far as time to be served. This should be changed immediatly and the penaltys need to be more severe. None of these officers should have been released but you have to remember where you are. Money to the right person will get you what you want---PERIOD-- and there is nothing you can do about it. I am a gringo and have lived in Baja for 17 years and I have never been hasseled by the police. I tell them when I am pulled over for a violation that I am a retired cop they respect that and let me go. I have never paid off a cop or a government official. My heart goes out to the family of the woman and to her I say I am so sorry for what had happened. I wish there was something I could do for her. If it was my wife I would take things into my own hands and there would be no need for a court or judge. The police would have been introduced to my wood chipper machine and would have been before St. Peter a long time ago!