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What the f*** is wrong with these people?
By Arturo Salinas
ASSOCIATED PRESS
4:25 p.m. November 19, 2003
TIJUANA, Mexico ? State agents arrested four Tijuana police officers in connection with the rape of an American tourist as she and her family were
walking back across the border into San Diego, authorities said Wednesday.
According to the victim's testimony, she, her husband and her young son crossed the border for the day on Oct. 7 and were on their way back into the
United States when they were stopped by four municipal police officers outside the Viva Tijuana shopping center, 55 yards (50 meters) from the San
Ysidro Port of Entry, said Diana Escalante, a spokeswoman for the attorney general's office in Baja California state, where Tijuana is located.
Two of the officers forced the father and son to walk to several nearby ATM machines and then robbed the money they withdrew. Another officer took the
wife to a Mexican police office located adjacent to San Ysidro's pedestrian crossing and raped her while the fourth officer stood guard outside,
according to the criminal complaint the family filed with Escalante's office.
The police later let the family go and the trio crossed the border before contacting U.S. authorities with their story. The husband and wife returned
to Tijuana in subsequent weeks and were able to identify the four suspects from pictures of local police officers, said Liza Davis, a spokeswoman for
the U.S. Consulate in Tijuana.
The rape victim and her family asked consulate officials not to release their names or their home state, Davis said.
"Extortion is common, but this is a much more serious crime and its not something that happens, or is at least reported to us very often here," Davis
said. "This is a positive case in some ways because of the response of Mexican authorities. We are really pleased at how the authorities on this side
of the border have responded."
Arrested Tuesday night were Officers Hector Manuel Arias, Victor Lopez and Jesus Ortiz. A fourth officer, Benjamin Rodriguez, was detained early
Wednesday, Escalante said.
Arias faces rape and abuse of power charges while Lopez and Ortiz have been charged with extortion and abuse of power. Rodriguez, the suspected
lookout, is being held on charges he failed to report a crime in progress.
"We've never had a case like this in recent years," Escalante said. "Police extortion is common among tourists, come on, but we've never had a rape.
This is a surprising and graphic case."
The officers were suspended from duty upon their arrests and were being held at the attorney general's Tijuana headquarters, where investigators took
their depositions Wednesday, Escalante said.
Lopez, Ortiz and Rodriguez were expected to be freed on bail, but a judge refused to set bond for Arias, the suspect facing rape charges, and ordered
him to remain behind bars indefinitely.
one more time:
what bs !
"We've never had a case like this in recent years," Escalante said. "Police extortion is common among tourists, come on, but we've never had a rape.
This is a surprising and graphic case."
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Stephanie Jackter
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I thought your header was way too strong...
and then I opened the post and went "What the...!!!! Can you believe they let two of the creeps out on bond? Like forcibly extorting money from
someone's ATM card is somehow, less criminal. It was part of a whole package of violence toward this family and they should all be hung out to dry!
Man alive! - Stephanie
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I support the death penalty in rare instances. This would be one of them.
Actually it would be to merciful. I say give em plastic surgery to look like bush and set em loose in tikrit Iraq.
"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked of such a thing."
Dwight David Eisenhower
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Skeet/Loreto
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Now! Now! Bus you should be more forgiving and Tolorant!!
After all some of your Le Brool buddies would say "Poor Babies their Mother is to Fault for not potty training them in the proper method.,
sorry I just saw the new word being used by Rush,just had to try it. I do not listen to Rush,He repeats himself too much. Anyway Its to bad we don"t
have laws to take care of bad peopl fast with out pain. O Course this happens all the time in the States.Skeet/Loreto
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Better yet
Better yet, Bajabus, Give them plastic surgery to look like Bin Laden and Sadaam Insane and turn them loose in NY
Big Al
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hee heee heee, very funny guys. I may have liberal tendencies but as stated before I am definitly not mahatma gandi.
Big Al good point, save the taxpayers some money and avoid the overseas ticket costs.
"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked of such a thing."
Dwight David Eisenhower
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This is really sad and almost too much to believe. I would like to know more on exactly where this happened and how they could get away with it at the
time it was committed.
I really commend those people for going back and pressing charges after such a horrendous violation on so many levels.
I walked back across the border only once about 11 years ago. It was in January about 6:00 pm so it was dark. I was alone.
I don't know what the route is like today, but back then there were these two stairwells that take you to the pedestrian bridge over the river. There
were no lights and a sea of people moving up & down the stairs in total darkness. It was terrifiying. I have not walked across the border since.
[Edited on 11-20-2003 by jeans]
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Jeans, it's still the same today
and it's scary even in the daylight.
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Try and imagine the law enforcement climate that would enable these people to even contemplate doing such things, and you will be close to
understanding just exactly where your basic civil rights stand when you are in Mexico. Go, have fun, but do it with the understanding that you are in
a totally corrupt environment, with not a leg to stand on. If the cops being held over can come up with the dough, they'll walk; you can count on it.
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sad but true anon
"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked of such a thing."
Dwight David Eisenhower
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Sorry if the header offended some of you but that was my true reaction and I stand by it. I truly wish we had a Prez w nuts enough to stand up to
this essentially terrorist government to our south and play hard ball w them. Teddy Roosevelt wouldn't have let this crap go on and on -the drugs,
assaults, smuggling , holding Americans or their possessions hostage, illegal confiscation's and rampant illegal entry into this country , basically
unchecked, to name a few.. Fact is , if your a tourist , especially a Caucasian , YOUR A TARGET. I'm preparing a letter to send to various people
demanding the resignation of TJ's "chief " of thieves . I hope you'll join me in sending a clear message . The last (reiterated) paragraph to me says
it all. There is an acceptance attitude that this is normal. By the way , an acquaintance of mine was involved in a similar act. They never
reported it and they never went back. It ruined his wife emotionally . The press needs to hear of each and every incident and we need to let Mexico
know how we feel w our pocket books. This was not an uncommon incident.
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Its all tue, its all over the news here, we all want them hang from their nuts from the tallest Mexican flag in town.
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Not good!
I have walked across plenty of times in the last 5 years. My girlfriend and I (and she is blonde) go there to eat tacos have a "few" Pacificos, and do
a little shopping on Revolucion. We have never had a problem. This is such a sad and unfortunate happening. I really feel bad for the whole family! I
really hope that Tijuana authorities will take the proper steps to bring these "policeman" to justice. It really sickens me because I really have
enjoyed going to TJ for the day and now I may think twice about going there and spending my money. The ironic part about this is I am going to Bajamar
on Monday to golf. My friend that is going with me has never been across the border. I hope that he does not see this news. We were going to walk
across the border and go into TJ on Sunday afternoon. Now I don't know. Should we learn to stay "home"?
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OMG!!!!
This news is VERY SAD....very very sad  God bless to the victims.
We saw it on the news, I tried to NOT pay attention.... hearing the news, really...really hit me straight to the heart.
This incident put a negative impact on us, we enjoy mexico and shop, eat tacos there sometimes, we live approx. 35 min. from the border. We BRING
money to them' we help them, tourisms bring income to them etc... now I'am thinking twice on going there, I look at mexico police officers' different,
I don't think we can TRUST them anymore, I know not all are bad, but its hard to believe...  why are things so corrupted nowadays....I hope they create a new law to some extent to punish criminals there.
Those poor family are scarred for life!!! 
Someone's gotta do something about this, this CANNOT go without a HUGE battle!!!
Baja Red If your friend hears the news it well prolly freak him out, and you wanna show him a good time, when you guys go...be safe
and watch your backs... we love mexico so much' gotta find a way to NOT let this happen to any individuals, I hope this is a wakeup call for the
authorities in states and protect us more. Being a female freaks me out about the rape...OMG' i'd prolly grab one of thier gun and shoot them if i
could... I'm sorry but this really peeed me off. I can't believe they just LET the bastards out so fast!
Anonymous Great Post, WE ARE WITH YOU ALL THE WAY, this sort of rip'off's is happening more and more, and if anyone is planning to
involve the press, SEND OUT CLEAR MESSAGE or do whatever it takes, we are with you on that, this is rediculous!!!
Thanks for sharing guys!
~Marissa~
[Edited on 08-25-1973 by BajaBronco]
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That's why guns are good.
The main thing I don't like about going to Mexico is having to leave my concealed weapon behind.
Here, I wouldn't leave home without it.
But in Mexico, we are defenseless.
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What is most disturbing to me, is that this happened to a group of three: a husband and wife, with their child. You would probably assume you were
safe from this type of crime because you would not consider a family as a target. Do I arm myself now? How rough would they have gotten if you'd
scream and make a scene?
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I'wont shoot and kill' em' just prolly on thier NUTS. I'm sorry' i know that's violent and I don't know exactly how it is. I just wish and bless the
wife', specially the child (family) the best!
That is why, now I like to caravan, go with A LOT of group of people if possible to go to Baja or wherever!
~Marissa~
[Edited on 08-25-1973 by BajaBronco]
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Here are some addresses to start with. (Thank you to Stephanie who posted Fox's address earlier)
Lic Vicente Fox Quesada
Presidente Constitucional de M?xico
E-mail: vicentefox@presidencia.gob.mx
Tijuana Tourism Board
Blvd. Agua Caliente # 4558 11th Floor, Ste.1108
Torres de Agua Caliente
Col. Aviaci?n, 22420
(664) 686-1103/686-1345
Info@seetijuana.com
http://www.seetijuana.com
US Consulate
Av. Tapachula #96 Col Hipodromo
CP 22420
(664) 622-7400
US # for Emergencies (619) 692-2154
State Tourism Office
10289 Paseo de los Heroes,
Zona Rio Tijuana, BC
(664) 634-6330, (664) 634-6574
Fax (664) 634-7157
http://DiscoverBajaCalifornia.com
infotur@baja.gob.mx
I would suggest sending them the copy of this AP report and expressing your outrage and highlight the quote "Escalante said. "Police extortion is
common among tourists, come on,...."".
I will do this today.
[Edited on 11-21-2003 by jeans]
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In cases like this,
public condemnation can get way more done than any gun carrying. If you have the energy to write to a message board, have the energy to write a note
condemning the release of these crooks to these officials. If enough people threaten to keep their dollars on the U.S. side of the border (and
follow through on that threat), this kind of thing will change very quickly. Sometimes it's all about the money. I'll get a letter out today. -
Stephanie
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This is by no means a regular event here, the fact is that wethere some like it or not, Mexico is still far safer than your regular American city, and
when it comes to sex crimes, its even more safer here.
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