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Oh. My. God. Punta Chivato

tigerdog - 10-21-2006 at 08:18 AM

There goes the neighborhood. As reported in the Gringo Gazette (Southern Edition): A group of foreign and Mexican investors presented Governor Narciso Agundez with their $600-million project to develop a tourist resort near Mulege, which is about a seven-hour drive north of Cabo on the Sea of Cortez.

The project will be at Punta Chivato, on the north point of Concepcion Bay, and will be named, guess what? Punta Chivato Resort. It will feature a golf club, marina and cruise ship dock.


Maybe you guys already know about this? Anyone have more information to share?

Don Alley - 10-21-2006 at 09:07 AM

You seem shocked, or at least surprised. Why?

I'll be surprised when I see that portions of the Baja coastline are designated for parkland or other undeveloped public use.

You can only hope that the developers lock up the property, but fail to develop it because of a lack of investment capital or failure to get needed government infrastructure assistance.

Russ - 10-21-2006 at 09:24 AM

No more info about the articule. I did read it. But .... We have had scares like this in the past. Shell Beach/Punta Chivato still doesn't have a good water system. Most of this beach is having water trucked in. Several plans for a line from the hwy were in the works but nothing was ever done or even started. And there is no power or phone. Now you add the golf course and development. And the big vegtable farm in Palo Verde never made it. And think about the road in? I'm not too concerned right now. But it would distroy the piece here for sure! Pray for this to FAIL!!

Russ - 10-21-2006 at 09:26 AM

Don That's what I tried to say. Right on!

tigerdog - 10-21-2006 at 09:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Don Alley
You seem shocked, or at least surprised. Why?


Not shocked, just dismayed. I hope this falls through, not just because of the development aspect but because of the threat it (and so many others like it) present to the fragile ecosystem of Baja.

After the "success" of Los Cabos, it was only a matter of time before the greedy began to eyeball the rest of the peninsula. I know that, but I don't have to like it.

Does that make me one of those I've-got-mine- so-everyone-else- stay- out people? Sigh.

Bruce R Leech - 10-21-2006 at 09:54 AM

this is nothing new, it happens every 2 years or so. they have fancy pictures and plans. and they get lots of investors and then they are goon.

Bruce R Leech - 10-21-2006 at 09:55 AM

if you read it in the Gringo Gazette then you know it is wrong:O

Skeet/Loreto - 10-21-2006 at 01:10 PM

Relax!!!

On my first trip to Chivato, there was one old run down Hotel, infested with bugs and Mice, a Cessna 310 buried in about 25 Ft. of Water off the Point of the South end of the Small Strip, a couple of Palapas.

Later on another visit driving down the "Worst Road in Baja Sur" I observed that things had Changed- Told that the "Seattle Mafia" had descended onto Chivato. New Homes, upscale living, etc.

Chivato is Nice, but suffers the same problem as other Locations--WATER-WATER-!!

The Gasette Articles are designed to do just as they did to You and others: They play on your FEAR-get you all Het Up for nothing, that gets them Publicity designed to make you beleive that you must hurry to your Bank- Run down and buy a lot for many Dollars--- Still no Water.

Investigate before you React

Anon The Preacher

Progress ?

MrBillM - 10-21-2006 at 01:35 PM

Bruce:
"this is nothing new, it happens every 2 years or so. they have fancy pictures and plans. and they get lots of investors and then they are goon."

That's what we Used to say in the San Felipe Area after seeing one project after another start up and go bust.

We don't say it anymore.

toneart - 10-21-2006 at 01:52 PM

We met with the governor in Mulege. He met with the business community and also the North Americans. His immediate concern was to get Mulege cleaned up and back on its feet, economically. Upon learning that The Orchard still had toxic mud piled up in the roads inside, and also along the river road, he had a front loader and a dump truck in there the next day.

He also proposed promoting Mulege as a sportsfishing destination, and building a Malecon & breakwater, extending from town and down the north river road. Regarding dredging the river, he said that would be costly and to consider it a long-term project.

During those meetings I didn't hear any mention of Punta Chivato. That's not to say that it wasn't discussed in another venue. By the way, what is the current status of the Loreto Bay Project? How does that help/hurt the town of Loreto?
:?:

Bruce R Leech - 10-21-2006 at 03:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by toneart
We met with the governor in Mulege. He met with the business community and also the North Americans. His immediate concern was to get Mulege cleaned up and back on its feet, economically. Upon learning that The Orchard still had toxic mud piled up in the roads inside, and also along the river road, he had a front loader and a dump truck in there the next day.

He also proposed promoting Mulege as a sportsfishing destination, and building a Malecon & breakwater, extending from town and down the north river road. Regarding dredging the river, he said that would be costly and to consider it a long-term project.

During those meetings I didn't hear any mention of Punta Chivato. That's not to say that it wasn't discussed in another venue. By the way, what is the current status of the Loreto Bay Project? How does that help/hurt the town of Loreto?
:?:


toneart you have a better chance of Punta Chivato being developed than the governor keeping his promises.:lol: I hope you are not holding your breath.

DENNIS - 10-21-2006 at 04:12 PM

600 million wont get anything done on the scale you say is reported.

One nice thing!

Baja Bernie - 10-21-2006 at 04:23 PM

You can never experience the loss of something you never knew existed.

Think about it.

Don Alley - 10-21-2006 at 06:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by toneart
By the way, what is the current status of the Loreto Bay Project? How does that help/hurt the town of Loreto?
:?:


Well, the LB project is building, building, building. There are always rumors of their success, as well as rumors of their imminent demise. But there are about 800-1,000 workers down there building away. So far no signs of any "sustainability" construction for water or power, though.;D

The impact on Loreto? Lots more people, 5,000 more in the last two-three years, according to the mayor. More money, more activity directly and indirectly related to LB. More employment, more stores, more restaurants, more small hotels. More traffic, more crime, higher prices for land, labor, construction materials, almost everything else. A new gas station. Even Bancomer is remodeling and expanding. Rumors abound of a CCC supermarket, a Ley supermarket, and a stop on the next Rolling Stones tour. It's a boom town!

And Mulage is next.:lol:

chino - 10-21-2006 at 06:30 PM

Well what are you gonna' do about it anyway?, enjoy it while you can, Look how much So. Cal. has grown, the key is the water (money), and the population to buy it,

capt. mike - 10-22-2006 at 09:41 AM

well, its a great location if they can pull it off. i'd like to see the strip improved like PP east cape. and some nice lots with power and water from the road. maybe some mini golf to start.:lol::o

Destiny

MrBillM - 10-22-2006 at 09:47 AM

God gave the Third-World countries well-located land so that others, with money, could develop it and bring pleasure to financially secure visitors.

Or so it seems.

spike - 10-23-2006 at 02:07 PM

Feels like paradise lost. (or at least working on it)
Spike

wilderone - 10-24-2006 at 09:04 AM

I wonder when they'll realize their shortsightedness. How many rooms and golf resorts do they think Baja visitors can support? I'd like to know the average vacancy rate in Cabo and La Paz, et al. I'm heading for Costa Rica in November. Decent rooms are $40 - on the edge of jungle, beaches, with actual wildlife. Do they think Baja is the only choice for vacationers? Developers really need to take a look forward - not backward - which is what they seem to want to emulate - the mistakes of Cabo San Lucas. a golf course and a marina - yada, yada

Cypress - 10-24-2006 at 09:14 AM

They can always convert the golfing greens to pastures.:light:
wilderone. Let me know how the Costa Rica turns out.:) Have thought about that also.:yes:

tomcooke - 10-24-2006 at 09:21 AM

Regarding spashy new high dollar developments in Baja, more specifically in San Felipe, there is often more sizzle than steak.
Glossy brochures, web pages, and "sales offices" with a high huckster factor do not necessarily develop into actual resorts. Examples of this phenomonon are so plentiful as to be little more than a cliche.
On the other hand, some developments do come to fuition as planned.
Trying to discriminate between the two types is quite a challenge in a place where actual facts are elusive while rumor and hyperbole abound.

baja829 - 10-24-2006 at 11:05 AM

Interesting about Costa Rica. Friends just returned last week - said it was absolutely beautiful, even reasonable, but --- they never were treated so badly, so consistently -- and they are nice people. They were happy to return to their little place So. of San Felipe where they are treated so much better. Update us when you get back.

Cypress - 10-24-2006 at 11:15 AM

baja829, Where did they go?:?:

vandenberg - 10-24-2006 at 11:20 AM

Costa Rica.

Been there, done that.

Looked at CR in the 90's as maybe a retirement place. Spend a month and traveled the country. Found out that the most desirable places are in the highlands,with year around nice temperatures. However, if you like the ocean. like we do, the west coast has nice beaches, but is not very pretty in general, especially compared to Baja, and is very windy. The caribbean side is like the islands. Poor, mainly black and not too many accesible beaches. Needless to say, Baja was to us by far a better choice.

Cypress - 10-24-2006 at 11:27 AM

vandenberg, Thanks for the info.:bounce: Options!:light:

osoflojo - 10-24-2006 at 12:26 PM

You wont find many "deals" in Costa Rica. That place got discovered many years ago and not just by Gringos. Lots of Europeans.............

bigzaggin - 10-24-2006 at 12:45 PM

Poor, bad beach access AND mainly black?!!?? COUNT ME OUT!

ouch.

Ugly Costa Rica beach

bancoduo - 10-24-2006 at 01:06 PM



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Crusoe - 10-31-2006 at 08:24 AM

Right-on........Skeet!!!:o

Summanus - 10-31-2006 at 09:38 AM

We have been going further south of Baja ourselves from time to time. Forget long-discovered and now-expensive Costa Rica. Having worked, vacationed, fished, hunted, and visited there since the mid-70's we have noticed it has become overgrown with people from all over the world. The attitude is MONEY REQUIRED. Not nearly as attractive as say..Panama and it's west coast islands. (Fishing offshore Panama is like the Cortez was in the 50's and 60's.)

Our most favorite all-time place in the world I am sworn not to tell you about...suffice to say, it is still reasonable to live there, laid-back, a very pleasant climate, full of beautiful scenery, great fishing, and other outdoor activities. Okay, okay.. here's a hint...it's Patagonia!! But don't tell anyone else, okay?;D

Meanwhile we will fill in some more time in Baja while pondering the next move. Not such a bad condition at that.