BajaNomad - Big problems with Gasoline in BCS

Big problems with Gasoline in BCS

Bruce R Leech - 12-14-2006 at 01:50 PM

going to be out of gasoline for a while it looks like. it sounds like they are out most places north of Mulege and one station is still pumping here in Mulege. they say it will be out tomorrow morning and it will be next week at the soonest for them to get more. I guess the problem is with the ferry.

[Edited on 12-15-2006 by Bruce R Leech]

bajalou - 12-14-2006 at 02:00 PM

Where's oxxo and his electric car when you need him?

Bruce R Leech - 12-14-2006 at 02:24 PM

all of Santa Roselia is here in Mulege getting gas right now, it wont last long :light:

how about La Paz do you have any down there?

roundtuit - 12-14-2006 at 02:47 PM

Bruce what about Loreto?? Have to go there tomorrow

Bruce R Leech - 12-14-2006 at 03:02 PM

haven't heard anything about Loreto yet

Marie-Rose - 12-14-2006 at 03:44 PM

Just heard from someone who was in La Paz this afternoon... many places out of gas.
Rumor is that is the case in Cabo as well

cabobaja - 12-14-2006 at 04:09 PM

As I posted earlier, I arrived in Cabo at 6:45am. All gas stations closed. Left Cabo @ 12:30pm and gas stations still closed.

BajaWarrior - 12-14-2006 at 04:11 PM

Anybody have a report for the San Felipe area? Is it affected that far north? Or does San Felipe get fuel from another source?

Heading down tomorrow for 9 days.

cabobaja - 12-14-2006 at 04:16 PM

No gas in Todos Santos. At the gas station in Pescadero, there are long lines of cars.

oxxo - 12-14-2006 at 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bajalou
Where's oxxo and his electric car when you need him?

Oh, I'm still here. I'm just glad that my gasoline car that I'm driving down to Cabo next week gets over 30 mpg on the road.

Trojan - 12-14-2006 at 04:32 PM

just what I needed. Im supposed to leave Monday, Was gonna charge all the way to Guerrero Negro. Then to La Paz day 2. any updates?

bajarich - 12-14-2006 at 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trojan
just what I needed. Im supposed to leave Monday, Was gonna charge all the way to Guerrero Negro. Then to La Paz day 2. any updates?

Wecome to Baja! :biggrin:

[Edited on 12-15-2006 by bajarich]

Jack Swords - 12-14-2006 at 06:27 PM

Just went out for gas in La Paz (6 PM MST 12-14-06). 3 stations checked were out of gas. One said he would have gas at 8 PM. So, we'll try again at 8. Northers are supposed to lie down tomorrow, if the gas barge is the problem. Lots of holedup boats left today, more tomorrow. Sure will have an economic impact. Kinda like the old days, carry a siphon tube.

gasolina

flyfishinPam - 12-14-2006 at 07:12 PM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
haven't heard anything about Loreto yet

I just filled up at the new Pemex on Independencia and they only have premium. I don't go to either of the other two rip-off gasolineras anymore so don't know about them.

Fuel

awfulart - 12-14-2006 at 07:26 PM

What about Diesel, We wont be down until February but did wonder about the diesel supply and where available.

Al G - 12-14-2006 at 07:31 PM

Baja Cactus....Do you have Gas?? I can make it to you, but will need 100 gallons to get to Mulege.

Jack Swords - 12-14-2006 at 07:58 PM

OK, station that said he would have gas at 7 PM did get gas. Lines of cars getting it, but gas is here in La Paz. Was out to Tecolote this PM and there was a big tanker ship moored at the Pemex plant. Maybe he delivered. Anyway, as of now, the neighborhood station near Marina de La Paz has gas. So let's hope it is on its way up north.

carrying gas cans?

Lee - 12-14-2006 at 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by Jack Swords
OK, station that said he would have gas at 7 PM did get gas. Lines of cars getting it, but gas is here in La Paz. Was out to Tecolote this PM and there was a big tanker ship moored at the Pemex plant. Maybe he delivered. Anyway, as of now, the neighborhood station near Marina de La Paz has gas. So let's hope it is on its way up north.

Would that be a good idea? I figure I'd get about 100 miles from a 5 gallon can.

I've also read that I can't bring gas into Baja. How about an empty can that I fill once inside Baja?

:cool:

BajaWarrior - 12-14-2006 at 08:26 PM

You can fill all the gas cans you want while in Mexico. The rule for gas is not entering Mexico with fuel in cans. Unless your my brother, he just flashes his Fireman's badge, works!

Otherwise, I just fill my cans when I stop in San Felipe for a top-off heading south.

Bajalero - 12-14-2006 at 08:32 PM

Lee , definately take about half a dozen extra emptys and fill them at El Rosario or San Quentin. If this is simply a weather related problem , it will go away rapidly but if its political who knows? just be prepared.

What a bad time for this to happen with all the holiday travel coming up .

Maybe its time Baja gets its immigration under control :lol:

Bob and jane - 12-14-2006 at 08:43 PM

I also found only premium at the new the new station, this was 4:30. station on Juarez had magna. Independencia station had diesel. Wind event that has been with us for way too long, seems to be over for now. ojala!!!

Jack Swords - 12-15-2006 at 05:59 AM

Got gas in La Paz 5 AM today (Friday). No lines (yet). I asked if they were getting another load of gas and the response was "Who knows?" Calm seas predicted for weekend, then another possible norther early next week.

Bajabus - 12-15-2006 at 08:46 AM

Pescadero ran out last night around 5:30 PM...I was in line for about 1 hour and 45 min when the pumps ran dry with 3 friggin cars in front of me. People were filling every type of container they could when they reached the pump. No idea what the situation is now in TS, Pescadero or cabo. I will be heading down to cabo later this afternoon.

Don Alley - 12-15-2006 at 10:16 AM

10 AM Friday in Loreto...all stations have Magna.

Bob and Susan - 12-15-2006 at 01:36 PM

mulege has gas and diesel this morning
12/15/2006 on mex1 just south of town

5 cars in line at every pump except diesel where there was no line at all

Trojan - 12-15-2006 at 01:45 PM

Cabo Report, Just heard from my builder, Theres gas with long lines, I heard it should be normal by tommorow. Anyone heard anything from El Rosario or Guerrero Negro?
I need both Gas /Diesel on Monday afternoon.

losfrailes - 12-15-2006 at 01:55 PM

Pemex Santa Rosalia (615) 152-0208 reports gas. Long line in the morning. No actual sight of gas being served, strictly a phone report.

longlegsinlapaz - 12-15-2006 at 02:51 PM

Got Magna near CIB just outside of Centenario this AM, 2-3 car wait. Long lines in town at all PEMEX stations.

comitan - 12-15-2006 at 05:06 PM

This morning long lines La Paz, Todos Santos, when we returned this afternoon no lines business as usual. I think in the morning you all will have gas.

backninedan - 12-15-2006 at 05:22 PM

Two hour wait in Mulege this afternoon, 50 cars waiting. Short line in Loreto.

wrk - 12-15-2006 at 05:29 PM

No problem getting gas in La Paz today. Some stations had lines but others none.

David K - 12-15-2006 at 05:29 PM

I did email Antonio with the question about El Rosario... But from past history El Rosario always is open... the very worst was when they ran out of Magna for only a few hours, but they had Premium so nobody was forced to wait for the Magna truck to arrive.

If you just gotta know, call the Baja Cactus Motel... number is on the web site www.bajacactus.com

tanzbodeli - 12-15-2006 at 06:24 PM

Anyone reporting gas in Guerrero Negro or Vizcaino, or anywhere close by, please PLEASE report here in this thread. We have some stranded travelers here with expiring visas who cannot return home unless they can get gas north of Sta. Rosalia.

thanks

Chris
Cortez Explorers

Bruce R Leech - 12-15-2006 at 06:29 PM

I understand that Mulege is out of gas at both stations. can anyone confirm this?

Trojan - 12-15-2006 at 06:40 PM

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If you just gotta know, call the Baja Cactus Motel... number is on the web site www.bajacactus.com

I just called the have gas/diesel.

Bruce R Leech - 12-15-2006 at 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tanzbodeli
Anyone reporting gas in Guerrero Negro or Vizcaino, or anywhere close by, please PLEASE report here in this thread. We have some stranded travelers here with expiring visas who cannot return home unless they can get gas north of Sta. Rosalia.

thanks

Chris
Cortez Explorers

the word I had last is they were all out of both gas a diesel. but I heard that Santa Rosalia had some in the PM but lines were very long and they did no how long the gas would last.

No gasoline in Baja California Sur

TiogaRV - 12-15-2006 at 07:51 PM

There is not a word about it in the news, but there is not one drop of gasoline for sale in Santa Rosalia, Mulege, Loreto and even La Paz.

This is according to the local people that I have spoken to here in the Pueblo of Santa Rosalia. Even the huge storage tanks just north of Santa Rosalia are empty. People here are talking about maybe gasoline arriving next week.

It will be very interesting watching everything grind to a halt.

George

Bruce R Leech - 12-15-2006 at 08:01 PM

it is fun to watch how people panic when there old junker cant come to life with out go juice, but it is problems for the fire and ambulance crews

oxxo - 12-15-2006 at 08:06 PM

According to Buoyweather, the projected winds for the La Paz area are no more than 10 knots for Sat, Sun, Mon (same for Loreto). If there is a gas shortage, it is not because the barges can't get in.

Why ?

MrBillM - 12-15-2006 at 08:09 PM

Has anybody read "WHY" there is a fuel shortage ?

Bruce R Leech - 12-15-2006 at 08:11 PM

If anyone has a real emergency I mean life threatening contact me I have some gas here

I think it would be nice if some people in other towns would do this also you could save a life.

don't call me just because you are going to be late getting back to you job.

we need diesel here in Mulege for the ambulance if some one could spare

Hook - 12-15-2006 at 08:12 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
Has anybody read "WHY" there is a fuel shortage ?

The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind.
The answer is blowin' in the wind.

The fuel barges are having a hard time getting across from the mainland because of all the wind.

Or, there's an outside chance that it's Bush's fault.............

Bruce R Leech - 12-15-2006 at 08:12 PM

If anyone has a real emergency I mean life threatening contact me I have some gas here

I think it would be nice if some people in other towns would do this also you could save a life.

don't call me just because you are going to be late getting back to you job.

we need diesel here in Mulege for the ambulance if some one could spare

Summanus - 12-15-2006 at 08:18 PM

Spent last night at Baja Cactus Motel in El Rosario (pretty cold) and topped off with diesel this morning after first filling in Mulege yesterday afternoon. Dense fog for fifty miles north. All stations in Vizcaino, GN, El Rosario, San Quentin, etc had diesel. We saw lines yesterday at Mulege, Vizcaino, and GN for gas, not for diesel. El Rosario had plenty gas as did all other stations north.

Travelers need not worry. This shortage will not last long..it has happened many times before..... and actually reminds me of a better time in Baja!

Summanus - 12-15-2006 at 08:26 PM

Odd, I saw no signs of any 'panic' from any motorists while driving from Cabo to Ensenada. Unless by 'panic' you mean the locals feverishly sucking up all the gas they can while they can.

A suggestion: Maybe think about getting a diesel car or truck. I get about 21mpg on a 35 gal tank....lotsa miles between fuel stops. In a pinch we can have a fish fry and with just a little work use the cooking oil in the engine!

Bruce R Leech - 12-15-2006 at 08:33 PM

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Originally posted by Summanus
Odd, I saw no signs of any 'panic' from any motorists while driving from Cabo to Ensenada. Unless by 'panic' you mean the locals feverishly sucking up all the gas they can while they can.

A suggestion: Maybe think about getting a diesel car or truck. I get about 21mpg on a 35 gal tank....lotsa miles between fuel stops. In a pinch we can have a fish fry and with just a little work use the cooking oil in the engine!

Im sure the fire dept. will laugh when I tell them your good suggestion. if the cooking oil thing was really practical I am sure you would have just made your round trip using only old taco oil :lol:

Bruce R Leech - 12-15-2006 at 08:38 PM

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Originally posted by Summanus
Spent last night at Baja Cactus Motel in El Rosario (pretty cold) and topped off with diesel this morning after first filling in Mulege yesterday afternoon. Dense fog for fifty miles north. All stations in Vizcaino, GN, El Rosario, San Quentin, etc had diesel. We saw lines yesterday at Mulege, Vizcaino, and GN for gas, not for diesel. El Rosario had plenty gas as did all other stations north.

Travelers need not worry. This shortage will not last long..it has happened many times before..... and actually reminds me of a better time in Baja!

that was yesterday today you would not have gotten anything. why are you not using old cooking oil like you suggested everyone else do. :lol:

Summanus - 12-15-2006 at 08:38 PM

We did try that cooking oil as a fuel, but the border patrol told us that we would have to leave the 250 Baja dogs that had been following us behind.

Bob and Susan - 12-15-2006 at 08:49 PM

susan got gas AND diesel today at the mulege gas station before noon

BajaNomad - 12-15-2006 at 09:46 PM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
...if the cooking oil thing was really practical...

http://www.greasecar.com

Have a old acquaintance in Scottsdale, AZ running two diesel VWs on the stuff. He's the one that gave me the URL above. Told me some of his "supply" secrets in AZ.

Hook - 12-15-2006 at 10:22 PM

I hear the finest cooking oil for diesels come from the Chinese restaurants.

AGAIN, the Chinese have us over a barrel............. :mad:

BajaNomad - 12-16-2006 at 09:41 AM

From an earlier thread:

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaNomad

Quote:

Originally posted by Phil S
turns out the problem with the diesel supply was the barge couldn't get to Santa Rosalia because of the Sea of Cortez was too rough to make delivery.

Out of my own curiosity on what they do....

I thought all the Pemex fuel (gas, diesel) on the peninsula was transported from either La Paz or Rosarito/Ensenada bulk plants. I am not aware of any transport via barge through Santa Rosalia.

Anyone have further information on this?

Thanks,
--
Doug

I wish to repeat my question. I've seen further posts that allude to a barge with fuel coming into Santa Rosalia, but this article addressing the shortage as being because of a tanker that's late into La Paz kinda confirms my previous information:
http://www.bcsnoticias.com/DIC15110602.htm

I just wish to have accurate knowledge - and reports are conflicting with my previous knowledge and news reports.

Thanks,
--
Doug

Santa Rosalia Gasoline Situation

losfrailes - 12-16-2006 at 09:56 AM

Pemex Santa Rosalia presently has plenty of gas. The lines are about 10 minutes.

You can call them at (615) 152-0208 for verification

losfrailes - 12-16-2006 at 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaNomad
From an earlier thread:

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaNomad

Quote:

Originally posted by Phil S
turns out the problem with the diesel supply was the barge couldn't get to Santa Rosalia because of the Sea of Cortez was too rough to make delivery.

According to an attendant at the Pemex Santa Rosalia, the gasoline here comes from La Paz. In what fashion, truck or barge, I could not get a straight answer.

BajaNomad - 12-16-2006 at 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by losfrailes
According to an attendant at the Pemex Santa Rosalia, the gasoline here comes from La Paz. In what fashion, truck or barge, I could not get a straight answer.

The reports on here had to do with a barge coming with fuel from the mainland - not La Paz.

It gets trucked from La Paz.

shari - 12-16-2006 at 11:08 AM

I made a trip to Guerrero Negro yesterday...Dec.15 and all Pemex stations were closed...no lines as they don't know when they will have gas. I heard an interesting rumor though from the neighbours of the gas station....they claim the owners of these stations are in debt and that Pemex will not sell them any more fuel until they pay...hmmm?? In Vizcaino at 5:00 pm there was a very long line and no gas getting pumped. Luckily we had gas in Asuncion 2 days ago when I filled up but now they too have run out but say that Vizcaino was getting gas last night....don't know if it happened though.

Fuel at El Rosario

BajaCactus - 12-16-2006 at 04:59 PM

Al G,

We have no problems with fuel at El Rosario... plenty of gasoline. We have bigger than usual storage tanks and so far we have been able to have a continuous supply of fuel for several years now.

BajaCactus
Where the Baja is so much more than a dream..."

Gas

tehag - 12-16-2006 at 05:07 PM

Loreto pumping gas and diesel. No lines. Saturday 12/16 4PM.

cabobaja - 12-16-2006 at 06:17 PM

Report from my office on Highway 19, 18 miles south of Todos Santos and 30 miles north of Cabo. Seven (7) fuel trucks went south to Cabo today. There could of been more, but might have not noticed. Called main office in Cabo and they stated that yeterday there were lines in gas stations, this morning no lines and gas not a problem. Saludos!

Pescador - 12-16-2006 at 06:18 PM

That could be interesting about some stations not getting fuel as we have heard that Guerro Negro (highway), Vizcaino, San Ignacio, Santa Rosalia, and Mulege (south on highway), are all owned by the same person and this is the guy who has had trouble keeping his pumps accurate and has been shut down on several of the stations for inaccurate deliveries.
But the word from the employees is that the barge bringing fuel from La Paz had a problem crossing so the trucks were unable to haul fuel North. If my information is correct, Antonio at Baja Cactus, (El Rosario) gets his gas from Ensanada so he would not be affected by a La Paz shortage. When they start hauling, the southern stations get it first.
Today, Saturday, there were long lines but they were selling gas, and in the afternoon they ran out of Magna here in Santa Rosalia and Mulege but still had Premium.

Trojan - 12-17-2006 at 11:12 PM

Any gas updates from Guerrero Negro to Mulege? Leaving in the morning.

Bruce R Leech - 12-18-2006 at 08:54 AM

still no gas in Mulege. and it is not true that all those stations are owned by the same person.

Bruce R Leech - 12-18-2006 at 09:48 AM

I think the gas comes from La Paz and the diesel comes from the barge. but I could be wrong I usually am.

Bruce R Leech - 12-18-2006 at 02:37 PM

the station is still closed here in Mulege but a small truck just puled in to Mulege with gas but it wont last long.

Pescador - 12-18-2006 at 06:26 PM

Well, Bruce is right. The Chap who owns the station in Santa Rosalia also owns the station in San Ignacio, and both stations in Guerro Negro. He is also building the new station on the north end of Santa Rosalia. I asked the manager today and he cleared up about the ownership. But today we had all the magna we wanted even though most people were filling up their tanks and an extra can or two. The discussions I heard at the gas station were amazing and went from the idea that there was no more gas available in Mexico to the real issue which was the barge crossing. Gives us something to focus on instead of the real issues. Santa Rosalia still did not have diesel by the way.

shari - 12-19-2006 at 08:11 AM

Pescador is right and this "Chap" is part of a notorious family here in mid baja. They have put a sign up near our place in Asuncion as the next Pemex in their gas empire as well...they are building lots of new stations but it is known they have problems so it should be interesting to see what happens. I think we'll just get a barrel to be safe.

I just bought 20 gallons in <Loreto

vgabndo - 12-19-2006 at 12:15 PM

I didn't notice any problems, but I just went by two stations.

Pescador - 12-19-2006 at 01:46 PM

I have gotten to know the workers at the Santa Rosalia Pemex pretty well over the years and I make sure to take them some fish occasionally. My favorite story is last year when I filled up a 20 litre can and put in 27 liters and it still wasn't quite to the top, so I asked the attendant why I could only put 20 liters in all over Baja but here I was able to squeeze in 27, and he just replied with a smile that it was probably my "Buena Suerte".
It never ceases to amaze me that this guy can rip off everyone with inacurrate measures, which led to him being shut down for awhile last year and come to find out he is in trouble with Pemex cause he is always a "little delinquent" with his bill to them. Guess he figures he should only have to pay them a percentage of his earnings.

bajarich - 12-22-2006 at 03:27 PM

Where can one fill up without using one of his stations? I usually fill at Guerro Negro and then top up at San Ignacio and then bypass Santa Rosalia. I haven't been blatantly cheated at those stations like the one in Santa Rosalia. How about Jesus Maria and Vizcaino?

Bob and Susan - 12-22-2006 at 08:46 PM

jesus maria installed new tanks a couple of years ago...
new pumps and filters

i buy diesel and guerrero negro is out just way too often
so i fill in jesus maria then off to mulege

vizcaino is always too busy for me too many people
but does have good service

this trip back i fuel in mulege then vizcaino AND jesus marina...just in case
then el rosario

i hope everyone is open christmas

shari - 12-22-2006 at 09:21 PM

Dec.22 trip from Loreto to Bahia Asuncion....gas everywhere but long line up in Sta.Rosalia and no gas in San Ignacio but the truck had just pulled in.

abreojos - 12-22-2006 at 09:36 PM

That's good to know about the same owner for all those gas stations. Best gas stops are Mulege south of town, use San Ignacio when going to Abreojos, Visciano and Jesus Maria, Loreto and Constition if you have to. El Cien use to have gas and was a good stop and Todo Santos. I avoid Santa Rosalia and Guerro Negro. Now I know why!

Phil S - 12-23-2006 at 08:26 AM

Shari. Were you referring to the Pemex station at Santa Rosalia with the long lines being the downtown one, or the new station to the north of town? Or is the new station north of town still in construction?
Thanks.

Bob and Susan - 12-23-2006 at 08:34 AM

there is still only one OPEN station in santa rosalia

Pescador - 12-23-2006 at 10:41 AM

Bob is correct, there is still only one station in Santa Rosalia, which is the old Pemex just south of the main street junction. The new station by the marina is a QUALLI certified station which means they have the neatest and newest equipment, training for attendants, etc. etc., so it will be really interesting to see what happens to the other station when the new one opens. The people already know that the new station north of town is owned by the same guy who owns the station now in operation.
The new Qualli station is slated to open in February

RE: Qualli

Mango - 12-23-2006 at 04:06 PM

Not to be a nit picker.. but I'd just like to point out the term in Nahuatl is "Cualli".

cualli - he/she/it is good (pronounced coo-al-lee)

Soures:

English to Nahuatl dictionary - Fermin Herrera

and

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/3088/nahuatl.html

among others.

Sure it sounds like (qual - E) or (Qualli) when it is said; but, cat sounds like (Kat) and nobody spells it that way.

Just a bit of triva... Mazatl is the Nahuatl word for deer, tlalli = land(but when used as a suffix only, '-tlan' is used)

Thus.. Mazatlan = Land of deer

Mango - 12-23-2006 at 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by lencho

Quote:

Originally posted by Mango
Not to be a nit picker.. but I'd just like to point out the term in Nahuatl is "Cualli".

I believe you, and that's interesting-- any idea how it's pronounced?

Whatever, it's irrelevant to me outside of the gas station context, which is where I'd like to use it correctly; how is the official term really spelled?

--Larry

It's pronouned (coo-al-lee) or (kwäl - lee)

I tend to say it more like, kwäl - lee.

Nahuatl is essentially the old Aztec language. It is still used by many people in rural areas of mexico; though, I generally in central Mexico.

There are many modern words in english that have their orgins in nahuatl. Most were adopted by the spanish, then later into english.

For example:

Coyotl = Coyote
Tomatl = Tomato
Chilli = Chili or Chile
etc...

Even the famous 'Chiclets' candies get their name from the nahuatl language.

The first time I heard it people speaking nahuatl in Mexico I was on a local bus in the Sierra de Puebla. I realized everyone around me was not speaking spanish; but, speaking some other strange language. I was fascinated and curious to learn more about it. At this point I only know a few words; but, Cualli is one of them. :lol:

I make a habbit of learning a few words of the local indigenous languages when I travel in rural Mexico. Sometimes you can really blow somebodys mind when walking past them down a forrest path when you say 'hello' to them in thier local language. The elders love it and it allways puts a smile on their face. It's a great ice breaker and shows the locals that you care about their culture and customs.

In many places, the elders may only know a few words of spanish. Often times it is necessary for them to have a younger person translate for them if they need to speak spanish with outsiders or do business in 'town'.

more information on Nahuatl here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahuatl_language

Several dailects of the mixtec, zapotec, and mayan languages are still widely spoken in many areas of Mexico as well.

Don Alley - 12-23-2006 at 07:00 PM

The new Pemex in Loreto, on Padre Kino, is a Qualli station.

I haven't taken a container there to measure, but the buzz around town is that they give an honest liter while the other guys do not. So far it seems to cost less to fill the car or pickup. And business looks pretty good there.

There is some kind of brand logo on the walls at the other stations that I see around BCS, but I can't remember what it is. Friends have told me most stations in the state are owned by the same outfit and give short liters.

But dammit, progress is coming, and the good old days of being able to fit 25 liters in a 20 liter can, and all the good stories that go with that, will be history, just stories to tell the newbies. They'll even have card readers on the pumps and it will be just like buying gas in Oregon. :no:

Hook - 1-5-2007 at 07:07 AM

These big problems are now over. Why is this post still pinned to the top? Gives a false impression of the situation down there.

let it float......