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Mexican beer talk

Hook - 4-30-2007 at 05:48 PM

Being the frugal shopper that I am, I will sometimes avoid pricey imported beers. This was generally the case with the Dos Equis Ambar beer. I always like the Clara but that was fairly easy to find on sale.

Recently, the Ambar is showing up on sale at Smart and Final, Rite-Aid and Long's. To the budget alcohol fan, these outlets are legendary in SoCal. They lure clientel in by deeply discounting alcoholic beverages. I have seen 12 packs of bottles for 8.99-9.99. Solo cerveza en botella, para mi.

Man, I must say, this Dos Equis Ambar is my new favorite beer. It has the body of a Pacifico without the peculiar aftertaste. Not as heavy as a Negra Modelo, it can be drunk even in the hot of day and pairs quite well with the usual beer foods. Seems like it's somewhere in between a Bohemia and a Negra (which I also love).

What a dolt I have been to ignore this beer for so long.........

I was recently lured into a Taco Tuesday at an El Torito by co-workers (I hate El Torito's; th epitome of a gringofied mexican restaurant!) and discovered they had a Dos Equis on tap that the barkeep called Especial. Seemed like the same stuff........DEEELICIOUS!

Is the Dos Equis Ambar available in Mexico in returnable cases of bottles? Quantity becomes important AFTER establishing quality.

Any other Ambarficionados out there?

woody with a view - 4-30-2007 at 05:59 PM

i like the clara, just for the supposed weight benefits:lol::lol::lol:.

however, i do still have a 12 pack of the Noche Buena circa 2006:cool: gonna ration that bad-boy until next season, I HOPE!!!!

btw, rite aid is THE cheapest place for beer in san diego (considering gas prices and travel times)....got a 30 pack of tkt yesterday for $17 and sometimes its $15. not the best beer, but hey, this is a thread about CHEAP beer!:bounce:

[Edited on 5-1-2007 by woody in ob]

[Edited on 5-1-2007 by woody in ob]

DENNIS - 4-30-2007 at 06:23 PM

Woody ----

Open that 12PAK of NB and drink it. It's not vino. Age ruins it. In the time you spent reading this, it deteriorated. Hurry Woody, hurry. Save that beer. Don't let it die of old age.

Fred - 4-30-2007 at 06:28 PM

I agree with Dennis.............drink it now.........me, I just love COLD beer...........Mexican of course.

woody with a view - 4-30-2007 at 06:42 PM

ima drinka not a conosuer (sp?)

so then i guess i'll take it with me this thursday night when we head south for the weekend..............:light:

Bajalero - 4-30-2007 at 06:55 PM

Have to agree with ya Hook. Dos Equis amber is a really good all round beer, the special lager being a little too skunky for me.

Prefer Bohemia over all other Mexican beers . But only with food.

tripledigitken - 4-30-2007 at 07:10 PM

The only aftertaste for me after Pacifico's is Tequila.

fdt - 4-30-2007 at 08:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by woody in ob
i guess i'll take it with me this thursday night when we head south for the weekend

Noooooooo, it might be to late by then, there isn't a long border wait, I can be in OB in less than 45 minutes and help you dispose of them, I'm willing to miss Heroes tonight. :light:

AmoPescar - 4-30-2007 at 08:43 PM

Hey Hook,

I AGREE with you, DOS EQUIS AMBER is a great tasting Cerveza. IMHO, it's even better when you drink it out of a chilled beer glass. I always keep a couple in the freezer on standby.

And you and Woody are both right about Rite-Aide. Their beer prices are great. Even when not on sale, they're usually lower than most other chains. I often can buy Pacifico there for $8.99 a 12 pack. In other chain stores, it can be almost double that.

And to WOODY...As Dennis said, DRINK the Noche Buena VERY SOON. Beer is only at it's best for about 90-100 days, and maybe less if it's gotten too warm or been allowed to get warm and cool off over and over. If it's kept in a refrigerator, it will be better for a bit longer. Sometimes, when it has deteriorated, if you shake it up a bit, you'll see pieces of gunk that have formed as part of the deterioration process. At that point, it's history for sure.

Here's to raising a cold one!
Miguelamo :D :yes: :tumble: :saint:

Noche Buena

bajaguy - 4-30-2007 at 08:46 PM

OK Dennis.....we need to get serious this weekend. I have a 12 pack in my fridge that I bought in December:P:P:spingrin:

Bob H - 4-30-2007 at 09:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Pompano
I am Norsk...Mexicans know very little about making true beer...or a really good mead...but a Pacifico will do until they figure out how to make the real stuff. My reefer is always stocked with this substitute....come on by.


Pompano, my wife and I plan on coming down to the Mulege area in October.... how do we find you?
Bob H

David K - 4-30-2007 at 09:57 PM

If any of you can visit the Tijuana Brewery, I highly recommend that treat! Located right below Ferna's house (note the drip irrigation tube leading down the hill with Ferna's mouth on one end)!

Awesome dark beer... a Czekoslovakian brewmaster at the controls...

Viva Baja Cactus 062r.JPG - 44kB

fdt - 5-1-2007 at 08:53 AM

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Simone said "Fernando, that's a pretty good depiction of you actualy":lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

toneart - 5-1-2007 at 09:23 AM

Dos Equis Amber and Bohemia have always been my favorite Mexican beers. Unfortunately we can´t get it here in Baja Sur. The Modelo and Pacifico distributers have a monopoly here. Pacifico doesn´t cut it for me, and any clara is too much like gringo (Bud, Coors) beer.....blech! (yes, it is spelled correctly....if I had belched, that would have depicted satisfaction).:no::(

David K - 5-1-2007 at 09:50 AM

Try Pacifico again (and again)... You will discover it's wonders and quality!

My first time was not enjoyed because I was used to lighter beers like Modelo, Tecate or Dos Equis... It wasn't long before I appreciated the full flavor of Pacifico!

Cypress - 5-1-2007 at 12:11 PM

Bohemia is real tastey.:bounce::D

Fred - 5-1-2007 at 12:20 PM

Viva Pacifico

Hook - 5-1-2007 at 12:21 PM

Ferna, I am getting no love on finding out if the Amber is available at a Cuauhtemoc Moctezuma Agencia in Baja. Maybe you could run by one some time on your errands and see if it is available.

Would be at a Tecate distribudor, if it exists.

capt. mike - 5-1-2007 at 01:28 PM

anyone tried that Dia beer?

its good.
bet i could drink a casadia........:P

bancoduo - 5-1-2007 at 03:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Try Pacifico again (and again)... You will discover it's wonders and quality!

My first time was not enjoyed because I was used to lighter beers like Modelo, Tecate or Dos Equis... It wasn't long before I appreciated the full flavor of Pacifico!
That's because When Pacifico was bought out by whoever, could have been BUD, it became a milder beer. Totally new recipe.:lol::lol::lol::lol:

David K - 5-1-2007 at 03:34 PM

Two beers I will not drink are Bud and Corona... both are @!%* beers IMO

Bud Light is different than Bud and I can drink that (like my Mexican friends who made Bud Light the #1 import beer in Mexico).

Other than Corona, I think I like about all other Mexican beers I have tried, with my favorites being Pacifico and Dos Equis ... But Mexicali and Tijuana Beers are great too!

bancoduo - 5-1-2007 at 03:37 PM

Anyone, who never drank a Mexican beer before the "seventies" can't be a cano-sewer of Mexican beer.

Have a BUD LITE on me.

:lol:

David K - 5-1-2007 at 03:45 PM

I remember old Mexicali and Tres Equis... But, that is long ago... The beer that we can buy today is what matters.

bancoduo - 5-1-2007 at 04:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
I remember old Mexicali and Tres Equis... But, that is long ago... The beer that we can buy today is what matters.
LIFE SUCKS!:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Not Mexican, BUT............

MrBillM - 5-1-2007 at 04:10 PM

A German friend of mine gave me two bottles of Beer the other day that he pronounced as Excellent. They were Baltika, Brewed in St. Petersburg, Russia. After trying one, I have to agree. It reminds me of the Dortmunder Union I bought years ago and thought was the Best Beer I'd tasted.

He said that he buys them at one of those Discount Grocers who buy up odds and ends so availability varies, but whenever it is in stock it goes immediately.

David K - 5-1-2007 at 04:14 PM

Russian beer? Okay, I will keep my eyes open for the stuff... thanks Bill!

Hook - 5-1-2007 at 04:17 PM

German Beer, Russian Beer.........

My overall favorite beer is actually a Japanese beer. I love Sapphoro.

Damn, did we actually win WWII? :lol:

tripledigitken - 5-1-2007 at 04:21 PM

At the risk of taking this thread too far afield....

The mention of Russian beer reminds me of one of my favorite Pilsners.

Pilsner Urquell.....Chekoslavakian (I'm sure I misspelled it)


Primo beer. Available at Bev & More, and some supers in SoCal

bancoduo - 5-1-2007 at 04:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Russian beer? Okay, I will keep my eyes open for the stuff... thanks Bill!
Hope you can handle real beer.;D

David K - 5-1-2007 at 04:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
German Beer, Russian Beer.........

My overall favorite beer is actually a Japanese beer. I love Sapphoro.

Damn, did we actually win WWII? :lol:


Asahi super dry, with every sushi order!

[Edited on 5-3-2007 by David K]

DENNIS - 5-1-2007 at 04:45 PM

Back to Mexican beer ----- What ever happened to Superior?

David K - 5-1-2007 at 04:48 PM

Superior is really good, too... Very much like Victoria if I recall correctly.

DENNIS - 5-1-2007 at 04:55 PM

It has been a long while since I've seen Superior. My recollection of its high quality are limited to, "Cold and wet."

Hook - 5-1-2007 at 05:07 PM

Superior is still out there..........somewhere. Been ages since I had one.

The Cerveza Moctezuma site still lists it. Looks to be mostly a mainland beer.

http://www.ccm.com.mx/

DENNIS - 5-1-2007 at 05:27 PM

Hook ---

Thanks for the link. Got a kick out of the graphics. A panoramic picture of all these neat Mexican beers and in the middle is a picture of Coors Lite.

Oh yeah....... It says if I drink Superior Beer, I can live my fantasies. Too cool.

Packoderm - 5-1-2007 at 06:17 PM

I had Superior for the first time last winter in the Yucatan. I was surprised how good it was.

Bajalero - 5-1-2007 at 06:32 PM

Anyone remember the Carta Blanca quitapones ? That was a pretty good beer . Neat little indentation on the bottom of every bottle to open the next with . I remember my dad would stop at the deposito on the way out of Ensenada and buy several cases . $2.35/ case /24 =< 10cents ea. and no deposit.

DENNIS - 5-1-2007 at 07:03 PM

Carta Blanca is still happening. Saw a large billboard today advertising Carta Blanca Light. The bottles havn't changed.

Bajalero - 5-1-2007 at 07:13 PM

Dennis , tried the carta blanca light . It's a little too much like American beers to satisfy my mexican thirst . Kind of reminds me of Miller.

Last time I asked for the regular , I was told no mas . Evidently that's not so . Have you seen it in stores?

DENNIS - 5-1-2007 at 07:16 PM

Yeah Lero ---- I see it most every day at the local store. I don't buy it but, it's there.

Packoderm - 5-1-2007 at 07:19 PM

Leon Negra - the best Mexican beer in my opinion. I love it warm or cold. Well, I like it better cold. Too bad it's not available in Baja. I don't see why it's not available in Baja; it's now made in several Mexican states.

Hook - 5-1-2007 at 07:22 PM

Dennis, did you notice on the Moctezuma site how they appear to favor selling beer using beautiful women?

What a concept!!!! Some kinda international, universal appeal going on there, huh?

Pardon us, ladies, but we're just reporting, here.......

DENNIS - 5-1-2007 at 07:31 PM

Hook --

Oh yeah. The message about living my fantasies was right by the ****ty one in the prone position. I'm going to find some Superior beer if I have to buy it online.
By the way, have you seen the Tecate Girls in living flesh? Same sales plan. Very sophisticated.

About sexy beer girls:

Packoderm - 5-1-2007 at 07:41 PM

They'll have their work cut out if they want to compete with the Germans.


Santiago - 5-1-2007 at 08:21 PM

OK guys, I wanna look too but what is an "edad" and how do I enter it?

Packoderm - 5-1-2007 at 08:23 PM

Edad means your age.

coconaco - 5-1-2007 at 09:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Packoderm
They'll have their work cut out if they want to compete with the Germans.



I have a reoccurring dream of the Saint Pauli girl coming to my rescue. But could she swim, defend me from pirates, operate the hooka, and not spill a drop?

superior and dos exxis for my michalados - sin clamato
beer should not be red

ballenas or anything cold keep um comming

AmoPescar - 5-1-2007 at 09:34 PM

GIRLS IN BEER ADVERTISING...

I used to work in the beer business and my favorites were always the St. Pauli Girls. We used to give out lots of their posters!!

Here's the link to PAST St Pauli Girls.

http://www.stpauligirl.com/pastgirls.php


Miguelamo ;) :bounce: ;D

Packoderm - 5-1-2007 at 09:41 PM

The 2007 St. Pauli Girl (as seen below) is the prettiest of the St. Pauli Girls in my opinion. But I still like the real German girl I posted above better. It takes a good girl to be able to hold 5 steins like she does.



bajaguy - 5-1-2007 at 10:09 PM

Steins??????........what steins????:P:P:spingrin:

AmoPescar - 5-1-2007 at 10:24 PM

St. Pauli Girls

I liked all the S.P. girls from 1982-1985. They looked MUCH BETTER on their posters than in the pictures link I posted above.


Miguelamo ;) :spingrin: :rolleyes:

Packoderm - 5-1-2007 at 10:35 PM

The 1984 S.P.G. is the definitive S.P.G. as I've always known. I remember looking at that poster in a neighborhood pizza joint masquerading as a German beer hall. I remember the tables butted together in rows filled with enthusiastic young men drinking, talking and carrying on. It truly felt like a German beer hall. They had a special on large steins of Heineken. Good times while it lasted - it got closed down for serving to minors. I had the same poster on the wall of my dad's garage. I was still under 21 myself at the time.

A new one every year?

Dave - 5-2-2007 at 07:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AmoPescar
Here's the link to PAST St Pauli Girls.



If only life were like that. :rolleyes:

DENNIS - 5-2-2007 at 11:44 AM

Bajalero -----

I may be standing corrected on availability of Carta Blanca Quitapones. I went to my local store and all they had was Light. I asked the counter girl and all I got was one of those patented Mexican shrugs, the "Who knows " type. I have to look into this.

Carta Blanca

Baja&Back - 5-2-2007 at 04:28 PM

Anyone know definitively where regular Carta Blanca is sold in Baja? Far better than other Mex beers. Haven't seen it for years, except in a little village store south of Mazatlan. 40 pesos for a sixpack - no deposito! Shoulda cleaned out the cooler ...
Oh well. :no:

Hook - 5-2-2007 at 04:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Baja&Back
Anyone know definitively where regular Carta Blanca is sold in Baja? Far better than other Mex beers. Haven't seen it for years, except in a little village store south of Mazatlan. 40 pesos for a sixpack - no deposito! Shoulda cleaned out the cooler ...
Oh well. :no:


Check out the larger supermercados like Ley or Calimax.or Gigante. I thought I saw it recently. Same no deposit bottles with the opener.

bajadock - 5-2-2007 at 07:20 PM

Moctezuma v. Modelo

News for us new kids on the Baja....This comes from elpatiobar.com website in Ensenada. See how much I have to learn while living here???


"IN MEXICO, IF YOU ARE A BEER SELLING BUSINESS, YOU CAN ONLY CHOOSE BETWEEN TWO BEER COMPANIES. "MOCTEZUMA" AND "MODELO". ALTHOUGH JUST RECENTLY A THIRD SMALL LOCAL VENTURE HAS EMERGED WITH ONE PRESENTATION "MEXICALI BEER" IT IS HARD TO FIND DUE TO THE FACT THAT MOST ESTABLISHMENTS, BE IT BAR OR LIQUOR STORE, "MARRY" ONE OF THE TWO BIG ONES.
WE CALL IT "MARRIAGE" BECAUSE WHICH EVER ONE YOU CHOOSE, YOU CAN ONLY SELL THEIR PRODUCT. IN RETURN THE BEER CO. SUPPLIES YOU WITH EQUIPMENT, SIGNS, CASH TO BUILT YOUR BARALIQUOR STORE AND MOST IMPORTANT "T H E P E R M I T."
ONE CAN DIVORVE ANY TIME AFTER ONE HAS PAYD BACK CASH LOANS AND IF ONE HAS OR AQUIRED THE PERMIT INDEPENDENTLY. IF THIS OCCURRED, THE BEER CO. WOULD TAKE ALL SIGNS AND REFRIGERATORS AND EQUIPMENT AWAY. ONE WOULD HAVE TO REEQUIP $$$$$$$$$ AND THEN ONE COULD SELL ANY BEER ABAILABLE IN MEXICO. WE MENTION THIS BECAUSE MANY CUSTOMERS DONT UNDERSTAND WHY WE DO NOT SELL CORONA OR PACIFICO.

WHAT DO WE SERVE?

SO HERE AL EL PATIO, YES, WE ARE MARRIED AND TO "MOCTEZUMA". AND LET US TELL YOU IT HAS BEEN A WONDERFUL FOUR YEARS. THE HONEY MOON HASN'T ENDED YET. BUT YOU SEE, FOR US IT WAS SIMPLE, IT WAS BETWEEN BEING ABLE TO OFFER TO OUR CLIENTS "MODELO" WITH CORONA & PACIFICO (2 PRESENTATIONS) OR "MOCTEZUMA" WITH TECATE, TECATE LIGHT, DOS XX LAGER, DOS XX AMBAR, SOL, BOHEMIA AND CARTABLANCA (7 PRESENTATIONS). SO YOU SEE, IT WAS NOT A MATTER OF TASTE OR FADS, BUT CHOICE.
WE ARE CERTAIN THAT YOU WILL FIND A TASTE THAT MOST SUITS YOUR PALAD WITH OUR SELECTION. HERE ARE SOME HELPFUL HINTS ABOUT EACH BEER-

~ XX LAGER ESPECIAL-
THIS IS THE ONLY LAGER BEER IN MEXICO (COMMERCIAL WISE). IT SALES WORLWIDE AND ITS KNOWN FOR IT'S UNBEATABLE CLEAR AND LIGHT TASTE WITH A BITE OF SOURNESS. GREAT TASTING. ONE OF OUR MOST POPULAR.

XX AMBAR-
THIS BEER HAS BEEN SITTING ON U.S. STORES SHELVES SINCE THE EARLY 8O'S, MAYBE LATE 70'S WHEN IT BECAME A FAD. TODAY, IT IS BECOMMING POPULAR WITHIN MEXICO. NO WONDER,THIS BEER IS EXCELLENT! IF YOU LIKE A BEER NOT TOO LIGHT AND NOT TOO DARK BUT WITH THAT BOLD AND BIG CHARACTER TEAST, WELL THIS IS THE ONE. NOT AVAILABLE IN MOST BARS AND/OR LIQUOR STORES IN MEXICO. GO FIGURE. WE SUGEST THIS BEER SERVED AS A *"MICHELADA-"

TECATE-
THIS LONG-TIME LOCAL COMPANY "TECATE" BASED IN TECATE BAJA CALIFORNIA MERGED WITH BIG MOCTEZUMA A DECADE A GO OR SO AND TODAY SALES WORLWIDE AND IS MEXICO'S # I BEER- IT'S GREAT TASTING. TRY IT WITH A BIT OF SALT AND LEMON. IrS THE CANT-GO-WRONG BEER.

TECATE LIGHT-
MEXICO'S FIRST "LIGHT- (LESS CALORIES-LESS FILLING) BEER EVER. RECOMMENDED FOR THOSE WHATCHING THEIR WHEIGHT. GOOD BEER.

SOL-
THIS BEER HAS BEEN IN PRODUCTION SINCE THE EARLY 70'S, HOWEVER, IT ONLY SOLD IN THE INTERIOR PART OF MEXICO. ONLY RECENTLY THAT THE CLEAR-BOTTLED CORONA BECAME A FAD AMONGST U.S. CITIZENS, DID MOCTEZUMA EXPANDED ITS DISTRIBUTION TO ALL OF MEXICO AND ABROAD AND STARTED A FENOMENAL ADVERTIZING CAMPAING IN THE U.S. IT DOES NOT TASTE LIKE CORONA. HOWEVER, IF YOU LIKE CORONA, THIS IS AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN GET. GREAT BEER, REALLY.

CARTA BLANCA**-
THIS BEER NEEDS NO INTRODUCTION. IT IS MEXICOS OLDES BEER AND STILL KICKING. STRONG TASTE.

BOHEMIA-
THE BEST!!!!!! WE BELIEVE BOHEMIA BEER TO BE THE BEST TASTING, THE BEST CHARACTER, MOST BODY, EXCELLENT AND ADICTIVE AFTER TASTE. JUST THE BEST!!!! 1! (IN OUR OPPINION).

* M I C H E L A D A: (MEE-SHALADA)-
A NEW REFRESHING WAY TO DRINK YOUR MEXICAN BEER. EXTREMELY POPULAR ALL OVER MEXICO. CONSIST OF:
SALTED RIM BEER GLASS, FILL 3/4 OF GLASS WITH ICE, 2 - 3 OZ OFF FRESHLY SQUIZED LEMON JUICE, POUR IN THE BEER AND STIR. SOME SAY THIS RUINS THE ACTUAL BEER TASTE AND THE POINT OF DRINKING IT. BUT DO NOT DARE, SAYING THIS TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN CITIES WHERE TEMPERATURES REACH ABOVE 90 DEGREES TRI IT, YOU NEVER HAD BEER THIS WAY BEFORE.

** WE DO NOT SELL CARTABLANCA ANY MORE. SORRY

NOTE: SOME OF THE DATES MIGHT BE OFF A LITTLE. AND, THE OPINIONS AND DESCRIPTIONS LISTED ABOVE ARE SOLY OF EL PATIO AND DO NOT REPRESENT FACTUAL STUDIES AND/OR POLLS FROM ANY PARTICULAR AND/OR PRIVATE ENTERPRISE.

TRIVIA-
DID YOU KNOW THAT OUR BEER COMPANY INVENTED THE BROWN BEER BOTTLE YOU SEE TODAY ON ALMOST ALL BEERS? THIS TO PROTECT BEER FROM SUNLIGHT.

DID YOU KNOW THAT TECATE BEER WAS THE FIRST CANNED BEER IN THE WORLD?

DID YOU KNOW THAT CARTA BLANCA BEER WAS THE FTRST "TWIST OPEN"BEER IN THE WORLD? AND WITH ITS OWN CAP OPENER ON THE BOTTOM OF ITS BOTTLE?"

Thanks to El Patio. Need to visit for research. Found their website thanks to my bro Jack in Denver, a Bohemia and Negra Modelo FAN!

[Edited on 5-3-2007 by bajadock]

[Edited on 5-3-2007 by bajadock]

DENNIS - 5-2-2007 at 07:40 PM

Thanks Doc--- Lots of good info.

Bob H - 5-2-2007 at 07:45 PM

Hook, you just knew this was going to happen. Post a thread on a topic like "BEER" and you will get many many hits!
:lol::o:lol::yes::wow::rolleyes::lol:
Bob H

DENNIS - 5-2-2007 at 07:47 PM

It's just beginning..........

David K - 5-2-2007 at 08:15 PM

See the Pyramid Resort New Flyer thread for more beer talk!

Mexicali Beer is very good... they serve it at the Half Way House!

Photo of Tijuana Beers with lunch...

[Edited on 5-3-2007 by David K]

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AmoPescar - 5-2-2007 at 11:32 PM

IN TODAY'S SAN DIEGO UNION FOOD SECTION...


BREWERY ROWE by PETER ROWE

TECATE SHUNS THE 'BEERGARITA,' OPTS FOR BASIC BREW

May 2, 2007

TECATE, Baja California – By chance, my tour of the Tecate brewery came the same week I met Chill, Miller's attempt to muscle into the funky world of Mexican micheladas.

Until now, the major beer companies have ignored micheladas. That's not because these are outlaw drinks with nasty reputations – micheladas are relentlessly cheerful. But this drink has been the province of bartenders, professional and amateur, rather than brewers.

The basic michelada recipe calls for pouring two or three fingers of lime juice into a salt-rimmed glass, cracking a beer, then mixing to taste. Some folks use lemons rather than limes; others add a dash of Worcestershire and/or hot sauce.

Never tried this? That's fine with honest-to-Dios Mexican brewers.

“They don't like them,” said Juan Ramon Vera Martinez, public relations coordinator for Cervecería Tecate.

There are two schools of thought here, each worth pondering as we approach Cinco de Mayo. One school views brewers as artists. The notion that bartenders can “improve” artworks with a splash or a sprinkle is heresy. It's like distributing Magic Markers at the Louvre's entrance. Hey, kids, let's improve the “Mona Lisa”!

The other school, though, is not alarmed. Why fuss about beer, one of life's simple pleasures? Moreover, there's tasty precedent here, what with beer-and-lemonade shandies and the stout-and-champagne mixture black velvet. Enjoy!

On occasion, why not? Yes, great brewers are master craftsmen. Their work is sublime – but also plentiful. If you “spoil” the occasional liquid masterwork with a shot of citrus juice, don't worry. Pristine beer is available by the truckload.

This is especially true of Tecate. The massive plant in the center of town, a landmark since 1944, churns out 1 million gallons of beer a month.

In 1954, Mexican brewing giant Cervecería Cuauhtémoc Moctezuma purchased Tecate. The brewery now produces its namesake beer; Tecate Light (which will debut in San Diego this fall); Dos Equis; Dos Equis Amber; Carta Blanca; and Sol.



Advertisement In Mexico – as, to a lesser degree, in the States – beers have regional followings. Tecate is a Northern Mexico powerhouse that sells well on the West Coast of the U.S. “Forty-two percent of our production goes to the U.S.,” said Sergio Rodriguez Garza, the brewery's director. The rest flows into stores and restaurants in Baja California Norte, Baja California Sur, Sonora and Sinaloa.

Not all of the beer, though, is sold. At the Tecate complex's northeastern entrance, there's a shady garden. A guard at the gate hands tickets to visitors, then directs them to a pavilion, where they find a bar. And a free beer. “One a day,” Vera said. “But there are people who come every day.”

The brewery sponsors sports teams, language classes, health clinics. Cuauhtémoc, Rodriguez stressed, feels an obligation to be a good corporate citizen.

But there's a limit to the corporate hospitality. In the Jardin Cerveza, the free beer is served straight – no lime juice.


Tasting notes
(Beers are rated from 0 to 5, with 5 being best.)

TECATE - Tecate, Baja California Norte

This lager is notable for its straightforward honesty. Tecate is light-bodied and clean, lacking the burnt-corn aftertaste of Pacifico and the where'd-my-beer-go? blandness of Corona and Sol. Corn and rice are not part of the recipe, thank you, but Tecate is brewed with powdered starch and hop pellets, rather than fresh hop flowers.

As a result, the flavors and aromas are muted. If you want a beer with edge or authority, look elsewhere. But if you want something light on the tongue, pleasant but not showy, refreshing without being memorable, Tecate will fill the bill.

DOS EQUIS LAGER ESPECIAL - Tecate, Baja California Norte

In the early '70s, we dined at the Chiki Jai restaurant in Tijuana before walking down Avenida Revolución for the games at the Jai Alai fronton. With my combination plate, I would order Carta Blanca.

Then someone introduced me to Dos Equis, and I was smitten. Overnight, Carta Blanca seemed stodgy, old-fashioned, your grandfather's Mexican beer. Dos Equis, in its distinctive green bottle and eye-catching XX label, was smooth, sophisticated, hip.

Ah, to be so young and impressionable! The fronton is abandoned now, and so is my enthusiasm for Dos Equis. Revisiting the beer, I was surprised by its lack of pizazz. Fizzy and watery, the brew lacks oomph. I didn't notice any horrible flavors, but that's all I can say in defense of my younger self's taste.

MILLER CHILL - Milwaukee

CHILL, now being test-marketed in San Diego, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and Florida, passed the top-to-bottom test. Opening the green bottle, I expected to suck down a mouthful, make a few notes and dump the rest of this unholy brew.

But the first mouthful led to a few swallows more, and a few swallows more, and in short order I drained the whole bottle, top to bottom. Chill is drinkable, then, but is it a good beer? I'm not sure. The lime and salt are laid on with a heavy hand, which reflects the authentic michelada style, but also prevented my taste buds from assessing the underlying brew.

Tart and bracing, Chill ends on a metallic note. This unwelcome finish didn't keep me from finishing the bottle, but it dampened my enthusiasm for repeat engagements.

MICHELADA - Acapulco Mexican Restaurant, Old Town

When you order a michelada at Acapulco, the waiter asks you to choose the beer. (I deferred to his experience; he selected Bohemia.) He then delivered a salt-frosted pint glass, one-third full of lime juice and ice. He opened the Bohemia, inclined his head slightly and left me to my devices.

That may have been a mistake. I learned, too late, that micheladas should be continually blended. The beer is lighter than the lime juice and, if not vigorously mixed, will rise to the top of the glass and ensure a lip-puckering finish.

My companion, savoring her margarita, wondered why anyone would order a beergarita. Micheladas may not speak everyone's language, but the appeal of this tart refreshment is easy to translate.

David K - 5-3-2007 at 08:18 AM

Very interesting opinions... thanks Amo.

Hook - 5-3-2007 at 08:40 AM

Really pleased with the twists and turns this post has made, Bob.

BajaDoc, nice description complete with opinions.......thanks for that. I pretty much agree with the opinions, too.

The first beer I ever brewed was a copy of Bohemia, only it was about 5.5%. Brought it out on a fishing expedition and had the boys try it. Pretty funny when they lost their sea legs after two 16 oz. ers. We broke out the pyrate music.........and still proceeded to catch fish that day.

VIVA BOHEMIA!
VIVA AMBAR!

VIVA MEXICO!!!!!!

AmoPescar - 5-3-2007 at 01:58 PM

Hook,

Your story reminds me of fishing at Palmas at the East Cape. When I was ordering our lunch and drinks for the next day, I usually ordered 6 beers, a couple of sodas and some bottled waters for each of us. I would over hear other guys ordering a CASE of beer for EACH of them.

It always made me wonder how they could fish after drinking so much beer...and WHY...there were no reports of them falling overboard!!!! LOL


Miguelamo :yes: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Cypress - 5-3-2007 at 02:20 PM

Bohemia's my favorite brew down Baja way.:D;)

www.elpatiobar.com website

bajadock - 5-3-2007 at 07:55 PM

Hook,
It was my BRO in the MILE HIGH CITY who found the El Patio Bar link . He has the better brain of us two, as he is the electrical engineer and I was just a sales guy. But, we are Irish(Dougherty), so our beer interest is keen!

He is waiting for my house completion in October to invade and share the dream I am living.

Hook - 5-4-2007 at 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by AmoPescar
Hook,

Your story reminds me of fishing at Palmas at the East Cape. When I was ordering our lunch and drinks for the next day, I usually ordered 6 beers, a couple of sodas and some bottled waters for each of us. I would over hear other guys ordering a CASE of beer for EACH of them.

It always made me wonder how they could fish after drinking so much beer...and WHY...there were no reports of them falling overboard!!!! LOL


Miguelamo :yes: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I really dont drink much while boating.....bad mix. 2 beers would be unusual for me, when I have to skipper. Two of those Bohemia knock-offs would not have been good. I just served 'em and waited for the reaction that I knew was coming. I had tried a few during the week.

Grog for the hands..........it's a tradition that outlives empires.

Bob H - 5-4-2007 at 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by Packoderm
They'll have their work cut out if they want to compete with the Germans.



I've seen these German girls hauling 12 of those big 1-litre jugs of beer, in one haul, stacked on top of each other, and then slam them on the table and not spill a drop! What great memories.
Bob H

Hook - 5-4-2007 at 10:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob H
Quote:
Originally posted by Packoderm
They'll have their work cut out if they want to compete with the Germans.



I've seen these German girls hauling 12 of those big 1-litre jugs of beer, in one haul, stacked on top of each other, and then slam them on the table and not spill a drop! What great memories.
Bob H


Yeah, but how are they with the bratwurst.............:biggrin:

Hook - 5-4-2007 at 12:07 PM

Go to a Bristol Farms market and look around. They have many German and Belgian beers.

Those are generally not my style so I have no recommendations, but there are plenty of choices.

I do like the lighter Dortmunder's and Warsteiner's I have had. REALLY DONT LIKE BECK'S.......CALL IT BLECK'S.

German v. Mexican

bajadock - 5-4-2007 at 04:41 PM

I also prefer German beers, but...think globally, drink locally!

http://360.yahoo.com/dockerty06

[Edited on 5-5-2007 by bajadock]

DENNIS - 5-4-2007 at 06:54 PM

They're the Boys From Brazil.

Hook - 5-4-2007 at 08:18 PM

Being largely from Germanic stock (and lots of other things), grandma always told me there have been lots of good reasons for leaving Germany over the years. From uppity princes, to belligerent Kaisers to nutty Fuhrers, Germans have provided the largest number of immigrants to other countries.

Well, until recently, when it became acceptable to ILLEGALLY immigrate. :?:

Thank God they brought their beer with them.

Forgot one other light brew I like.....Imperial from Costa Rica. Saw bottled cases at a Costco recently. I think it was also started by immigrating Germans.

Spaten is excellent, Jorge! Not too hoppy like so many German beers seem to be.

I hear ya on the 3 finger rule for Pacifico. I'd also alter the rule to a 32° +/- 2°. Pacifico is rank unless very cold.

mexican v. german selections

bajadock - 5-5-2007 at 12:23 PM



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Cypress - 5-5-2007 at 01:09 PM

bajadock! Decisions.:) I'm unable to make up my mind.:tumble: Maybe I like 'em all.:)

Packoderm - 5-5-2007 at 01:37 PM

Yes, they look pretty good, but can they carry and serve 5 steins full of beer? If not, they probably can't do much in the line of yard work or anything else like that either. So in that case, I'd shy from starting anything long-term with any of them. On second thought, the 3rd one from the left looks good and healthy - so she might be the better choice.

I'd say, "Honey, you know that it's technically illegal for me to do any kind of work here in Mexico, so would you be a dear and mix up another batch of concrete?":lol:



[Edited on 07/17/2004 by Packoderm]