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Smoke - 5-24-2007 at 09:20 PM

I was told there is a program the government is doing now that is sort of a fastrack for Mexican citizenship process at a cost of around $500.00 U.S. Anyone else heard agout this.

DENNIS - 5-25-2007 at 07:56 AM

Why, hell yes there is. In fact I'm a licensed, bonded and completely trustworthy agent of the Mexican government, with all authority to grant citizenship to anybody I deem worthy.
And, today is your lucky day 'cause we're having a sale on "worthyness."
I'll U2U my address and the moment I receive 350 dollars in coin of the realm, is the moment you become a Mexican in good standing. You'll even be able to vote. Now, won't that be fun?
Remember, the key to the door of citizenship is CASH.

coconaco - 5-25-2007 at 08:06 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Remember, the key to the door of citizenship is CASH.

maybe some sort of prisoner exchange program.....

12 million illegals for .........several hundred thousand
U.S. Citizens........

Smoke - 5-25-2007 at 03:39 PM

Well I did not realize it was that stupid of question:But thought I would ask. I will not ask any more questions thanks for the sincere responce.

[Edited on 5-25-2007 by Smoke]

bajabird - 5-25-2007 at 03:53 PM

Any question is a good question. Some of the answers you get may be stupid though.

You can take the test (other have done it without speaking spanish and passed) for way less than 500.00 us. You can get nationalized that way.

DENNIS - 5-25-2007 at 05:23 PM

Hey there bajabird ----

Do your homework before present your nonsense.

Capt. George - 5-25-2007 at 05:25 PM

what about Bosnian citizenship...? do you get an ox?

bajabound2005 - 5-25-2007 at 05:29 PM

Hey, Dennis! Aren't you going for dual citizenship?

DENNIS - 5-25-2007 at 05:35 PM

Yes!! Thats your incentive to immigrate to wonderful Bosnia.
It may be a bit disconcerting but, that ox has to be collected by you, in a cart, as the Russians have shot it about a thousand times when it got in the cross-fire of civilians.
Still tastey if you smoke it.

DENNIS - 5-25-2007 at 05:38 PM

Hey BB ------

Probably so but, Im still trying to figure out the one I was born with.

Oh God.........Where's my meds....

comitan - 5-25-2007 at 05:51 PM

Smoke

No shortcuts, FM-3, FM-2 4 years then wait patiently like I am. Approx. $200 year. If someone tells you they know a lawyer that can get it for you I can refer you to a couple of people that paid mucho dinero to send the lawyer to Mexico City, and other expenses after more than one year Nada!!!!!!!!!! Forget It. If you would like the info on the Mexican Attorney that can do this U2U me.

[Edited on 5-26-2007 by comitan]

Al G - 5-25-2007 at 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bajabird
Any question is a good question. Some of the answers you get may be stupid though.

You can take the test (other have done it without speaking spanish and passed) for way less than 500.00 us. You can get nationalized that way.

Does morality mean anything to you? This board is not about promoting bribery...would you condone this in the US? you should check your class meter. I am sure it is running on empty.

cit

tehag - 5-25-2007 at 07:41 PM

http://www.sre.gob.mx/english/

longlegsinlapaz - 5-25-2007 at 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Smoke
Well I did not realize it was that stupid of question:But thought I would ask. I will not ask any more questions thanks for the sincere responce.

[Edited on 5-25-2007 by Smoke]

Smoke, it wasn't a stupid question...it was an honest question you asked...it was a totally sarcastic & stupid first response you received!!!! Go to the URL tehag provided. It is possible to apply for citizenship; it is possible to apply before you've had an FM3 for 5 years; I've heard both good & bad experiences with the process. But from everything I've heard it is a costly process closer to $5,000 than $500.

For the record, I didn't read that you were trying to pay ("prompting bribery") -$500 under the table to obtain citizenship...I just thought you'd been mis-informed about the actual cost of a legitimate & definitely under-publicized process.

You'll learn fast that there are a few rude smart asses on here, but the majority are nice, thoughtful & helpful people. This is an awesome site, please don't judge the entire site by the first response you received!! Unfortunately, occasionally you'll have to sift through some BS to get to the viable information. :bounce:

fishbuck - 5-25-2007 at 08:46 PM

Quote:

No it's a good question. I've been curious myself and have even heard something about it.
Do you have an FM3? That's a good place to start.
If you want to hang around this board you'll need a sense of humor and try not to take it or youself to seriously. Eventually you'll get the info you need.
Good luck

DENNIS - 5-25-2007 at 09:05 PM

Smoke ----

Didn't mean to offend you with a little early morning humor but it was there for a reason........ to say that there will be somebody there to take your money whenever you're ready to part with it.
Didn't realize that you, or that long leg person would have such a problem with that.
For you, in the future, I'll keep it simple.

Smoke - 5-25-2007 at 09:19 PM

It is good to know Dennis is not representative of most of the people who post on this site. I probably did overreact to his sarcasm .We are working on FM-3 now in Los Barriles . Some friends who have property in Baja Sur told us about the possibility of skipping the FM 3, FM2 process and they were going to check in to it. After reading the posts on this site for a couple of months now I knew there was a lot of knowledge and experience out there ergo my post.

Al G - 5-25-2007 at 09:40 PM

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Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz

Quote:

I have not read the entire site yet (I will), but since you must have...please enlighten us. I hope you are not referring to:

http://www.sre.gob.mx/english/services/nationality/1g.htm

"This certificate is issued to foreigners who can demonstrate that they have made an outstanding cultural, social, scientific, technical, artistic, sports- or business-related contribution to Mexico that benefits the nation and who can demonstrate that they have been living in Mexico for the two years immediately prior to the date of their naturalization application."
I would have trouble choking down a $5000 payment above or below the board to a lawyer as outstanding benefit to the Mexican people...please feel free to enlighen us what the $5000 would cover if it is not a bribe.

Al G - 5-25-2007 at 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Smoke
It is good to know Dennis is not representative of most of the people who post on this site. I probably did overreact to his sarcasm .We are working on FM-3 now in Los Barriles . Some friends who have property in Baja Sur told us about the possibility of skipping the FM 3, FM2 process and they were going to check in to it. After reading the posts on this site for a couple of months now I knew there was a lot of knowledge and experience out there ergo my post.

To you I will apologize, because you MAY have thought your $500.00 Question was not a question of bribery. I have my doubts though.

Smoke - 5-25-2007 at 09:54 PM

Al G, you are welcome to your doubts. I am very new to the processes involved for citizenship, I thought I explained pretty well in my last post what motivated the question.
Have a nice evening.

Al G - 5-25-2007 at 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Smoke
Al G, you are welcome to your doubts. I am very new to the processes involved for citizenship, I thought I explained pretty well in my last post what motivated the question.
Have a nice evening.

Look at your first statement:
"that is sort of a fastrack for Mexican citizenship process"
Who do you think would go the Slow-Track if this process was above the board??? unlike Longlegs, I read it as "who to contact to bribe" Same as Dennis.
Another thing is your post about Dennis:
"It is good to know Dennis is not representative of most of the people who post on this site."
I hope you hang around long enough to realize this statement could not be farther from the truth...Dennis is among the most intellectual and fair people here.
Until Longlegs (who is a good person) can quote the $5000 process, I would keep my money in my pocket... :smug:

rts551 - 5-25-2007 at 11:02 PM

The question is quite relevant for US people legally residing in Mexico. Although I am in the 2nd year of my FM-2 and doubt that I will change my direction at this point, I have heard about the expedited dual citizenship route and have a friend who is investigating this option. Ity may be bogus but then you never know. Having gone through the FM-3/FM-2 route, I sure would have liked an expedited permanent status. I am sure that there are others that would like to know if this is a viable option.

Smoke - 5-26-2007 at 07:37 AM

Al G, Dennis and I have used u2u to clear up the conficting opinions. As for your belief I was suggesting bribery you are just plain wrong. It was the figure given to me by the friend, I have no idea if it was low, high or about right. To add the attack on my character based on that one statement that you misinterpeded is way out of line IMO.

[Edited on 5-26-2007 by Smoke]

Morality yada yada yada

Lee - 5-26-2007 at 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Smoke
Al G, Dennis and I have used u2u to clear up the conficting opinions. As for your belief I was suggesting bribery you are just plain wrong. It was the figure given to me by the friend, I have no idea if it was low, high or about right. To add the attack on my character based on that one statement that you misinterpeded is way out of line IMO.

[Edited on 5-26-2007 by Smoke]

I didn't get the initial inquiry about fast track as bogus or immoral either. It read as a question about the possibility of one of many ways of acquiring citizenship.

Don't take these responses personally, Smoke.

:cool:

bajajudy - 5-26-2007 at 08:15 AM

tehag
great link
thanks

longlegsinlapaz - 5-26-2007 at 08:17 AM

Quote:

Until Longlegs (who is a good person) can quote the $5000 process, I would keep my money in my pocket... :smug:

Al, thanks for your vote of confidence!

I appreciate it!

I have two sources for my information...a friend who went through the process (totally legally & aboveboard)...and from personally speaking with an often & highly recommended (both on this site & around town) La Paz lawyer, Miguel Izquierdo, phone 612-123-1844 (information provided with Miguel's approval). I've been here full-time on an FM3 since 1999. Immigration has asked me if I wanted to apply for naturalization/citizenship each year at renewal time for the past 4-5 years. I don't have the language skills required to take the test, and I am morally opposed to mordita in any form to anyone! La Paz is my home, and I will not knowingly do anything to jeopardize that privilege. My personal experience in having built 2 casas & having been "on hold" for final signature on the Environmental Impact Study to start construction on my 3rd; and FINAL; casa since December 2006 has given me extensive insight in dealing with the Mexican Federal bureaucracy. It can tend to be an expensive, frustrating & long drawn out process more often than not, and not unlike the IRS, frequently, the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing! I tend to keep asking until I get an apparent consensus...as opposed to the answer I was looking for! And then I ask for it in writing! :bounce:

No matter what country, the old saying about "ignorance of the law is no excuse" definitely applies even if the "laws" were mis-quoted by numerous persons in a position to know!

My bottom-line recommendation to Smoke is to talk with a lawyer experienced in the naturalization process. His having asked for information here was a viable starting point to get some information, but he'll need a lawyer involved in the process when & if he decides to pursue naturalization.

Julie - 5-26-2007 at 08:34 AM

I took the test last year in La Paz, after 5 years with an FM3 and one with an FM2. The gave me a small informal oral interview (in Spanish) and a test , about 20 questions that required written answers in spanish and a copy of the national anthemn with key words omitted that needed to be filled in. This is through the SRE offices NOT immigration. The "vetting" time is anywhere from 1-2 years. This is the process dicated by the SRE web site. Cost: 1300 pesos when you take the test, a balance of 1800 pesos when you pick up your paperwork after approval, all fees paid to the bank.
I have heard of others paying $500-$5000usd. Haven't seen any Mexican passports from this process yet. Is it fast tracked or side tracked, I don't know. Just decided if I truely intended to be a citizen of Mexico I would go through the official channels.
And yes, many of those taking the short cut would scream bloody murder if this was being done in the US of A.

Julie - 5-26-2007 at 12:04 PM

Yes there were several questions regarding Mexican Culture, history and art. The rest were primarily questions about your reasons for wanting to become a Mexican citizen, your attitude about your country of origin, what your friends and family think about your decision... I think the point of the test is to make sure you have a can speak, read and write spanish and have an understanding about the culture and history of the country.

Smoke - 5-26-2007 at 12:15 PM

I have learned so much as a result of this post

whoda thunk my little ol post wooda raised such a rucus. Thanks for all the info I will definately get my feelings off my shirt sleeve and enjoy the bantor. It seems as I get older(59) I take things too personal at times. Then when I cool off I think,("well that was stupid)" Thanks again
Smoke

cabobaja - 5-26-2007 at 02:13 PM

You can apply for Mexican citizenship after having an FM3 for 5 years. You do not need a FM2.

There is a Nomand who is leaving Tuesday to Mexico City to receive his citizenship papers. He and I flew to Mexico City in November 2005 to start the process. I returned to Mexico City in September of 2006 and received my citizenship papers and a week after I returned to Baja, I received my Mexican passport via DHL. Received my Mexican Voter's ID in La Paz.

Forgot to mention: The Nomand returning to Mexico City to receive his citizenship papers applied after having his FM3 for 5 years.

Al G - 5-26-2007 at 02:29 PM

Smoke check your u2u
Do you warch NASCAR...I have been a fan of Smoke since he was a rookie.

Osprey - 5-26-2007 at 02:57 PM

Smoke, what works for me is every now and then I post a disclaimer admitting that I am a world class gossip, aspersion caster and conclusion jumper.

Lee - 5-26-2007 at 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cabobaja

There is a Nomand who is leaving Tuesday to Mexico City to receive his citizenship papers. He and I flew to Mexico City in November 2005 to start the process. I returned to Mexico City in September of 2006 and received my citizenship papers and a week after I returned to Baja, I received my Mexican passport via DHL. Received my Mexican Voter's ID in La Paz.

Forgot to mention: The Nomand returning to Mexico City to receive his citizenship papers applied after having his FM3 for 5 years.

Might as well add this: I know someone in La Paz, FM3 for about 7 years, who applied through an attorney in Mexico City -- who handled her paperwork. Think it took her 2 years to get it. She admitted paying $2,000 which was a big discount. She claimed to not being tested and did chit-chat with the people in the office where the paperwork was being done (Mexico City). She flew there for the initial paperwork, then again, when it was done. It sounded easy to me. In 4.5 years when I apply, I'll fill you in. I'm going to Mexico City. (She did know that the La Paz office (where appliation would be done) does ''test.'')

None of this sounds like a big deal. Just study your Spanish.

P.S. I would think a BIG benefit to getting the nationalization is real estate ownership in Mexico. Si?

:cool:

Smoke - 5-26-2007 at 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Al G
Smoke check your u2u
Do you warch NASCAR...I have been a fan of Smoke since he was a rookie.

Smoke - 5-26-2007 at 04:29 PM

Yes Al I am a Nascar fan, I like Stewart but my favorite driver is Harvick.
I chose smoke because i am a retired Fire Battalion Chief.
Smoke

Bajafun777 - 5-26-2007 at 11:08 PM

Look attorneys are needed when doing documentation. Documentation that if not right at the time of turning the documents in could make a few years turn into many and then to only be told too bad too sad they were done wrong. If I decide to get Mexico paperwork for dual citizenship I will use an attorney. I will use the one in Mexicali that I used before, as she did a great job. Further, she speaks enough English to keep you on the right track if your Spanish is not too great yet.

bajabird - 5-27-2007 at 08:33 PM

Sorry Ive been out playing with the race cars....

Dennis, are you ok with my original answer? I hope all is well.

bajabird - 5-27-2007 at 08:40 PM

Originally posted by bajabird
Any question is a good question. Some of the answers you get may be stupid though.

You can take the test (other have done it without speaking spanish and passed) for way less than 500.00 us. You can get nationalized that way.

Does morality mean anything to you? This board is not about promoting bribery...would you condone this in the US? you should check your class meter. I am sure it is running on empty.

Al G, my comment was honest and sincere. I don't see how you thought my comment condoned anything about bribery or morality. I am currently in the fm process, and will after the fm process is complete go and take the test in LaPaz which I have no doubt I will pass whether the questions include history, art, culture or the anthem.

Al G - 5-28-2007 at 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Smoke
I was told there is a program the government is doing now that is sort of a fastrack for Mexican citizenship process at a cost of around $500.00 U.S. Anyone else heard agout this.

bajabird
""Any question is a good question. Some of the answers you get may be stupid though.

You can take the test (other have done it without speaking spanish and passed) for way less than 500.00 us. You can get nationalized that way. ""

bajabird
""Al G, my comment was honest and sincere. I don't see how you thought my comment condoned anything about bribery or morality. I am currently in the fm process, and will after the fm process is complete go and take the test in LaPaz which I have no doubt I will pass whether the questions include history, art, culture or the anthem.""

Darn I thought we had settled this...so I will try one last time.

His (Smoke) original statement said nothing about going through the FM process...only ask about government program to Fast Track to citizenship. My "bad" was assuming fasttrack was form "zero to citizenship" (will not beat myself up over it through) with him being new to the process and I still do not know what FASTTRACK has to do with going through the FM3-2 Process and doing the 5 years.... I still have trouble with the idea that someone would assume a government would abandon their own immigration law for anyone for $500.
I did tell Smoke I believe him.
My response to your post was because you too made no reference to using the legal FM process and doing your time, until now. Please post the normal legal fees as I am sure we would all be interested.
When writing, it is difficult at best to understand a persons point of view, with or without all the facts.
Regards
Albert

bajabird - 5-28-2007 at 11:18 AM

I got it now..... am also always up for baja humor :biggrin:

Ive been going down baja ways since 1964, and am in my 4th year of efe m ay 2. After this much time, Im just gonna get my immigrado, then go pay and "take the test" and then wait to get the papers so no more fideocomiso fees.... and yearly paperwork fun. hmmmm I may miss the paperwork fun, I like hangin out at the inmigration office :rolleyes:

Al G - 5-28-2007 at 11:25 AM

Is there a Pacifico stoe next door :lol:

Pescador - 5-28-2007 at 12:31 PM

Smoke this should really give you the info.

http://www.bajainsider.com/baja-life/immigration/mexican-cit...

Cypress - 5-28-2007 at 12:43 PM

Hang in there bajabird! :bounce:

You're hanging in at one good place, but don't know about the other. :tumble:

comitan - 5-28-2007 at 03:11 PM

Just a word of warning don't just use any Abogado, make sure he has good references from someone that he has provided the service and gotten what they paid for, Not from someone who may be advertising and claiming that he can get you that little white cloud in the sky.

[Edited on 5-28-2007 by comitan]

[Edited on 5-28-2007 by comitan]

CaboRon - 6-2-2007 at 06:40 AM

:bounce:

TEHAG ---- Many thanks for the great link. Although never mentioned on this forum; there is a Consular office right here in Orange County! It is in SantaAnna! So on Friday I went down to check to see if they will process my FM 3 and Manaje de Casa; and yes they will. Was ushered though the main room with the crying babies, up a back stairway, and got my info sheet and FM3 application and all of the Manaja de Casa forma, and was out the door in twenty min.... Very friendly people and very professional. It seems as if they don't require the depth of information that LA does for the Manaje. If you are interested I will file a report on the process after I have completed it. That way my info will be accurate! :bounce:

This forum has been a valuable source of information for me; after wading through the oft times contentious postings. Thanks again, CaboRon

bajalou - 6-2-2007 at 06:45 AM

Remember, no matter what the Consul says, it's ultimately the Customs people who decide if the paperwork is OK.

Customs?

CaboRon - 6-2-2007 at 06:57 AM

Bajalou, Are you speaking of the Customs officer at the border ? Can they really challenge the Consular office ? I thought they were the same organization. It seems I still have a great deal to learn about this process. :rolleyes:

Well, I'll just "keep on truckin' ". CaboRon

bajalou - 6-2-2007 at 07:55 AM

They can and do saying this is their area and they will decide what's going to happen.

Don Alley - 6-2-2007 at 09:22 AM

Yes, we've heard the stories...Got an FM3 at the consulate, it was so easy. Took it to the local office in Mexico for validation, and they wanted, for their files, copies of bank statements, passports, photos, letter from law enforcement, maybe marriage license...in other words, please start over again. :biggrin:

CaboRon - 6-2-2007 at 09:42 AM

Don Alley, Do you think it would be better to wait until I arrive to apply for the visa ? Ron :?:

amir - 6-2-2007 at 10:01 AM

The bank statements have to be for the previous three months preceding application. They want proof of income or resources - it's a certain amount for a single person, more for a couple. In addition to the law enforcement clearance, in our case they also required a letter from a doctor, within the last three months, indicating specifically the absence of infectious or communicable diseases.

What is frustrating about the process is that each consular jurisdiction seems to have different requirements. They can also be picky about the pictures: the size, the color of the background, front views or profiles, etc.

Good luck! --Amir

[Edited on 6-2-2007 by amir]

Different Requirments

CaboRon - 6-2-2007 at 10:29 AM

It is becomming more interesting each min.... In Orange county they asked for three bank statements showing one thousand dollers deposited each month; but, the statements should not be for the previous months, instead they want three statements from the previous year. Evidently they want a representitive sample. Also when I went to the local police to get my letter this morning...I was given the form and told I must have a letter from the MX Cosul requesting the letter from the police dept. I can now see that the merry-go-round is just beginning. Appreciate the info. Ron :spingrin:

amir - 6-2-2007 at 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CaboRon

I can now see that the merry-go-round is just beginning...

Don't get discouraged! The process has a finite end; you may have to jump through a couple of unexpected hoops, but as they say here, "poco a poco" (little by little) it all gets done. And think of it this way: Once you've done it, you won't have to do THAT again!

--Amir

DENNIS - 6-2-2007 at 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by amir

And think of it this way: Once you've done it, you won't have to do THAT again!

--Amir

Yeah..........At least not till next year when you get to do it all over again.

amir - 6-2-2007 at 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

Yeah..........At least not till next year when you get to do it all over again.

Then it IS different in each jurisdiction. We did our first renewal a few months ago - I just had to sign the prerogative (sp ?) papers and our accountant/solicitor did everything else. We did not have to get police records again, bank statements or anything else. It cost $300 including filing fees. But maybe for us it was different because I have Mexican working papers...

At least the second time around and thereafter you know what is expected and it will be easier each time you do it - poco a poco... Having a solicitor that knows the system surely helped, and worth the expense. At first it may seem intimidating, you just have to go with the flow...

--Amir

DENNIS - 6-2-2007 at 01:22 PM

I never did have to supply police records but, each renewel had to have notarized bank statements, verification of the notary from the county and an Apostile from the state.
These are the Ensenada requirements.......in the recent past, anyway.
I suppose there are people in Ensenada who never had to do some of these things and, I wouldn't be surprised. Satisfying the various offices in Mexican government is a dynamic feat. Nothing is or stays the same.

Osprey - 6-2-2007 at 01:31 PM

Caboron, (don't use your handle in Mexico cause it looks a lot like a Mexican curse word) from your handle I take it you are headed for Cabo San Lucas. We were required to use that office of Mexican immigration for the first 9 years to renew our FM3s. Two years ago they changed the rules and required us to open a Mexican bank account -- we were able to move our renewals to the La Paz office which has no such requirement. The Mexican bank account thing made little sense to me, was not directly tied to the income requirement, was arbitrary as to amount and activity, made it very difficult to comply. Now we gladly pay a paralegal as liason in La Paz, all our headaches are gone with the wind. We more than meet all the requirements of the Visa with Fideo, driver's license, car plates, local taxes, income, etc. but were still being hassled by Cabo. Our 3 months bank statements from the U.S. bank clearly shows we get the money in the states, spend every last centavo in Mexico thru ATMs at what they would consider Mexican banks -- only one bank is now Mexican owned, the other 10 are foreign owned.

CaboRon - 6-2-2007 at 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Osprey
Caboron, (don't use your handle in Mexico cause it looks a lot like a Mexican curse word) from your handle I take it you are headed for Cabo San Lucas.

thanks for the heads up :tumble:

What is the slang meaning of CaboRon? Will the site administrater allow me to change it? And in spite of the handle I am now planning on moving to Todos Santos, as I don't want to live in the middle of the party, Ron And how do I get my comments out of the quote box?

Hook - 6-2-2007 at 02:53 PM

I find this thread very humorous when compared to the recent uproar about how much harder and more expensive the US is making becoming an immigrant and citizen of the US.

Add up the FM3/FM2 charges for x number of years and then the process of actually becoming a citizen and it's pretty clear that NO ONE representing Mexicans should be complaining about OUR system of becoming a citizen.

Hey, most all countries have quotas.

Next thread idea..........forming a Mexican corporation! How long, how much, how hard, etc.

bajalou - 6-2-2007 at 03:41 PM

CaboRob - start typing after the word "quote"

[Edited on 6-2-2007 by bajalou]

DENNIS - 6-2-2007 at 04:23 PM

Oh jeezo, CaboRon..........

You posted IN THE QUOTE BOX.

Gaw'dam...........I've never been so insulted and humiliated in my life.
I'm looking for your plea for redemption.
If it isn't forthcoming, I'll be looking for your fish report.
Do one or the other por favor.

[Edited on 6-2-2007 by DENNIS]

CaboRon - 6-2-2007 at 05:00 PM

I pray, oh super nomad, that you will accept my abject humilation for posting in the quote box. I should be immediately ejected from Amerika, and sent to Baja California as punishment.

amir - 6-2-2007 at 05:10 PM

CaboRon, don't worry about your name, it's pronounced differently than the Spanish word "cabron". That middle "o" in your name changes the word to three syllables instead of two, and in Spanish there is a heavy accent or emphasis on the last syllable. In your name, if anything, the accent is on the first syllable. Some people may still tease you, but then they would still call you cabron even if your name was "Thadeus", or whatever. Anyway, that word is used a lot, and it is a common insult, and I've heard conversations where that word is used several times in each sentence. It means "bastard", or "b-tch" in the femenine, and it can have many nuasances of meaning; it could even be endearing between good friends. I guess it depends on the tone and context in which you use it. If you pronounce "CaboRon" and "cabron" clearly, they are different words.
Did you get that, cabron?

--Amir

DENNIS - 6-2-2007 at 05:25 PM

Thadeus? Did I hear Thadeus, as in Doc Thadeus? DocT?

Amir............... Qualify yourself.......Quickly.

amir - 6-2-2007 at 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
Thadeus? Did I hear Thadeus, as in Doc Thadeus? DocT?

Amir............... Qualify yourself.......Quickly.

I just picked that name out of the top of my head. I don't know or understand your reference. I did wonder, though, when that name came through, that it must have had some meaning, but that escapes me. Please enlighten me!

--Amir

DENNIS - 6-2-2007 at 06:10 PM

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Sir, We will let you know.

CaboRon - 6-2-2007 at 06:35 PM

Many thanks for the explaination of the meaning of cabron. I have been called all those things at one time or another in my life, so it doesn't really bother me. I would hope that I have become a better person. Ron :?:

DENNIS - 6-2-2007 at 06:48 PM

CaboRon................

I believe that your humility has saved you........this time.

Copius amounts of Pacifico will keep your thoughts pure in the future. That is your long term salvation.

DENNIS - 6-2-2007 at 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by amir
Some people may still tease you, but then they would still call you cabron even if your name was "Thadeus", or whatever.
--Amir

"Thadeus"...........The quotation marks make me wonder as much as the context of the sentence.
I'm a curious man.

Channeling, are we?

Dave - 6-2-2007 at 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by amir
I did wonder, though, when that name came through, that it must have had some meaning, but that escapes me. Please enlighten me!

A chiropractor and a spiritual medium. Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes:

The longest journey begins with a freudian slip

Dave - 6-2-2007 at 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
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Sir, We will let you know.

DENNIS - 6-2-2007 at 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by amir
CaboRon, don't worry about your name, it's pronounced differently than the Spanish word "cabron". That middle "o" in your name changes the word to three syllables instead of two, and in Spanish there is a heavy accent or emphasis on the last syllable. In your name, if anything, the accent is on the first syllable. Some people may still tease you, but then they would still call you cabron even if your name was "Thadeus", or whatever. Anyway, that word is used a lot, and it is a common insult, and I've heard conversations where that word is used several times in each sentence. It means "bastard", or "b-tch" in the femenine, and it can have many nuasances of meaning; it could even be endearing between good friends. I guess it depends on the tone and context in which you use it. If you pronounce "CaboRon" and "cabron" clearly, they are different words.
Did you get that, cabron?

--Amir

Your feelings were hurt, weren't they DocT. You were insulted. We called you "cabron" and it hurt. And here you are again, hiding behind a fiction, looking for approval.
Your new facade is so much more tolerable than the last, I even forget his name, sorry. You can remind me, but you won't. That's OK.
Amir, your new alter-ego has been a welcome addition to this site. Good thoughts and good observations but, I saw a deterioration in communication when he rambled on in pointed discussions, like he ran out of things to say as in your post above. But, we all get that way, don't we Doc.

You gave yourself up, pal. You had to return to the scene of the crime. Your ego wouldn't allow you to stay away, would it, Thadeus.

You're welcome here, Doc, if you want to talk. You're even welcome here if you only want to play games.

I enjoy the challenge.

DENNIS - 6-2-2007 at 08:21 PM

Whadaya think, Doc?

Or should I say, "Amir."

bajaguy - 6-2-2007 at 08:27 PM

methinks the game is afoot....time for a cold Pacifico, and to sit back and watch

DENNIS - 6-2-2007 at 09:05 PM

Yeah, Terry........ I'll have a couple as well.
I think what we're seeing is the sound of silence. Wheels turning. Strained thoughts.
He wanted to be busted...........now the game begins.

You are so right!

amir - 6-2-2007 at 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS

I enjoy the challenge.

I think you not only enjoy a challenge, but you crave it. And if you don’t get it, then you incite it. You are too deep for me, Dennis, an abyss of delusion. I have to unravel your words with care and caution, and I find you also have an ego, a sensitive ego that gets hurt, too, and then it lashes out in revenge. Sometimes I can’t even decipher your words, your fury confuses them. If we two were in a room alone I would be afraid of you, afraid I could not keep up with your challenge. You would beat me to a pulp. Returning to the scene of a crime? No, bearing your soul is not a crime. You talk about this website as if it were yours, if so, I appreciate the forum space you give my many complex facades. I also appreciate your occasional lucidity and your ubiquitous cutting humor; and the power behind your emotions is breathtaking. You would make an awe-inspiring adversary. I am sorry if I disappointed you with discourse or games that did not please you. To me, life is not a constant challenge with phantasms.

--Amir

DENNIS - 6-2-2007 at 09:54 PM

Well Doc, I wondered where you'd been for the last hour and now I know. While I was in the Pacifico box, you were in the dictionary.

No Doc.........It's you otra vez. All of that crap you spew above is only desperation but you and I know that. It's part of the cat and mouse game that you get off on. It's just starting, isn't it.

Your statement above about the two of us in a room is a mind warping thought. You and I and your alter-ego personalitys couldn't cram ourselves into an elevator.

What is it Doc? I asked you that a hundred times before when you guys were here. What do you want?
Ah heck, lemme guess.
Attention.
Good. Im glad you agree. I want attention too.

But, you're going to disclaim my assertions that you and Amir are the same person so, we have to authenticate you.
You don't mind, do you?

Were are you Doc? Where do you live? Does anybody here know you? Do you know anybody here? Do you know Rosarito Beach?

Answer these if you will and please, in your future posts, dont try to say anything nice about me. I don't buy it. There is no power behind my emotions as you say. I don't have emotions. At my age, I'm lucky to have bowel movements.

So Doc, the verification quiz is in your court. Take a whack at it.

[Edited on 6-3-2007 by DENNIS]

amir - 6-2-2007 at 10:45 PM

Oh boy, it is just you and me here, and your friends are watching...
I told you I don't like the challenge, and that is because I don't like to lose. Attention I sure got, much more than I wanted.
Authenticate me? Why? Why don't you just ask? Why the aggression?
I am here. I thought I live in my heart. I have some way to go before I find myself totally comfortable in my home. Sometimes I have doubts about myself but you are helping me clear some of that out and make me stronger. I get myself in a bind then I figure out a way to survive without hurting anyone, including myself.
I don't know many people "here", but I'm not sure where "here" is. Rosarito Beach, or the Nomad Forum? I've seen Rosarito on the map and signs on the highway, maybe, but no, not really, I don't know anything about Rosarito Beach. Is that a pirate hangout? Should I go there? Why?
I'm pretty authentic I think, and very transparent. Maybe I do try to please people too much.
So, are you going to score the quiz now? When do I get the results? I can't go on foverer sparring with you to get attention on this board. There are other outlets for my needs and my creativity.
Thank you for all your time and energy to test me.

--Amir

DENNIS - 6-2-2007 at 10:52 PM

WHOOOOSH..............

That's the sound of your racket missing the ball.

OK Doc....... Here it comes again

Where do you live?
Do you know anybody here in Baja?
Does anybody here know you?

Oh boy. This is familiar. I ask you reasonable questions and, you ignore them. Just like old times.

bajaguy - 6-2-2007 at 10:54 PM

Did I miss the the used cars for sale post???...must have been while I was getting a Pacifico and Goldfish refill.

DENNIS - 6-2-2007 at 11:08 PM

I like those little goldfish crackers.
You do mean the crackers, dontcha?

Yup

bajaguy - 6-2-2007 at 11:10 PM

Extra cheddar...goes great with Pacifico......buy em by the pallet at COSTCO

DENNIS - 6-2-2007 at 11:24 PM

Went by your house the other day and didn't see your forklift. Must be in the garage.

bajaguy - 6-2-2007 at 11:28 PM

yeah, but I will be there this coming weekend....wanna drink my last Noche Bueno?????....I still have a 12 pack

DENNIS - 6-2-2007 at 11:33 PM

You bet. Might have to pile Vince and Kathleen in the back of my truck to show them the CC.

amir - 6-2-2007 at 11:34 PM

You know where I live, Dennis, it's posted just below my Avatar: Todos Santos, Baja California Sur.

I answered all your questions, I answered them with metaphors, but you missed the answers, so I guess the test continues.

Yes, I know a lot of people in Baja, now. When I first came here, a few months ago, no; then, just one person in San Bartolo, that was it. I meet new people every day now. My clinic has been opened for about 5 months now, and I have adjusted about 1,000 different people already. I would calculate that maybe 85% are Mexicans. They love me, and they love what I do for them. The feedback I get overwhelms me. Many have invited me to their homes and I am making new friends all the time. A lot more people know of me than I know them, because the word of my work and reputation is spreading around. People have already come from Cabo San Lucas, San Jose del Cabo, La Paz and Ciudad Constitucion to get to know me. They heard about me from relatives and friends. One guy came all the way from Vizcaino, that was 9 hours driving just to get an adjustment from me.

Again, I don't know what you mean by "here". If you mean the Nomad Forum, then I have to answer also, yes. I know several people now whose posts I've been following, and all those that are reading my posts are getting to know me better each word I write. That is why I have to be careful with what I say, not only here but all the time, because it will not only hurt those it would offend, but it would ultimately hurt myself, like in REAL life.

How am I doing, Dennis? I'm kind of enjoying your questions. I'm getting the attention I craved. I think that those that are reading this, if they would judge a person by their words because that's all they had, would trust me to adjust their spines. I like being a chiropractor, you see, it's wonderful to help heal other people's bodies, whatever ails them, because chiropractic is not for the bones, it's to normalize the nervous system and brain functions, and the more people I get to touch, the better the world becomes. But how are they going to find out about me? I guess if I had been more patient (no pun intended), they would have eventually have heard about me from some other source. I don't have many resources right now because I abandoned my life in the USA to come here, to live a more peaceful and less-stressed life. This forum, through you at this very moment, have invited me to advertise for free. However, I have also enjoyed immensely the opportunity I am having of writing and expressing myself with the written word, which is much different than conversation, like one-to-one with patients. When I write here, I go into deeper levels, that I hope will be appreciated by those who already know me and those who will know me yet.

--Amir

[edited slightly for spelling and clarity]

[Edited on 6-3-2007 by amir]

bajaguy - 6-2-2007 at 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
You bet. Might have to pile Vince and Kathleen in the back of my truck to show them the CC.

See you Saturday night......I'll bring the Noche Bueno

DENNIS - 6-2-2007 at 11:52 PM

Where is your clinic in TS? I have a friend there who needs lots of adjustment from time to time. I'll recommend you to him.

amir - 6-3-2007 at 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS

Where is your clinic in TS? I have a friend there who needs lots of adjustment from time to time. I'll recommend you to him.

Thank you. I hope I can help your friend. I will tell him, though, that if he needs "lots of adjustments", like you say, it might NOT be a chiropractic problem, but we should give it a try and see what happens with each treatment. Sometimes some people need a few adjustments in a row (it's their decision), but I don't find that to be the norm. When somebody wants to keep coming back many times for the same problem, I begin to worry. Regular "tune-ups" every 3,000 miles is what I recommend. Tell them to call me at 612-158-1895.

In some other thread in this forum, I think it was one of your friends, and I'm sure you've seen it, I was already tested about this subject, and I told him that I was not like one of those "bad apples" in my profession. If you are trying to test me here, too, I'll keep defending myself until it is clear to everybody what kind of scruples I have.

[edited for clarity and to add the map and phone number]

[Edited on 6-3-2007 by amir]

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CaboRon - 6-3-2007 at 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by amir

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS Sometimes some people need a few in a row, but I don't find that to be the norm. When somebody wants to keep coming back, I begin to worry.

Amir, I have used chiropractic as my first line of defense for many years, and I am a believer is regular maintenance adjustments as a path to whole health and good mental balance. So, your comment about comming back has me interested in your meaning. Signed, Someone who will be visiting you in Todos Santos come this October. And I know already, that after this move I will probable need treatment. The last five years I have been lucky enough to have regular massage and chiro. adjustments, usually two to four times a month. Well, those days are probably over as I now have no ins. and will be living on a very tight retirement budget. Hope to see you in the fall, CaboRon

amir - 6-3-2007 at 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CaboRon

... your comment about comming back has me interested in your meaning ...

CaboRon, I edited my post to make my position more clear. Here is how it reads now:

Sometimes some people need a few adjustments in a row (it's their decision), but I don't find that to be the norm. When somebody wants to keep coming back many times for the same problem, I begin to worry. Regular "tune-ups" every 3,000 miles is what I recommend.

--Amir

HEY neighbor!

Lee - 6-3-2007 at 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by amir

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS

Where is your clinic in TS? I have a friend there who needs lots of adjustment from time to time. I'll recommend you to him.

Doc,

I've often wondered who was behind that sign. I shop at Gonzalez's from time to time. I'll stop by next time I'm in the area.

My place (soon to be, that is) is on Camino Internationale in Las Tunas. I'll be down in about a month.

Glad you're posting here. This forum needs you.

Besides, you're a Brother Vet.

Aloha,

:cool:

Lee - 6-3-2007 at 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by amir
CaboRon, don't worry about your name, it's pronounced differently than the Spanish word "cabron".
Did you get that, cabron?

--Amir

Haven't heard another definition yet. The one I know is a term of endearment, yes, but more so, of respect. As in:

"Mi amigo es muy Hombre. Cabron!" (Major emphasis on Cabron.)

I use the word "Cabronito" as a gentle polk from time to time usually over a Pacifico at the California Hotel.

:cool:

Meaning of cabron

CaboRon - 6-3-2007 at 11:44 AM

Lee I havve received several definations of "cabron" most of them very demeaning. Ron

CaboRon - 6-3-2007 at 11:48 AM

Amir, What is three thousand miles in human terms ? And part of the reason I get so many adjustments is that the one hour massage that precedes them is something much looked forward to by me. Am I getting off the thread here ? I look forward to metting you. Ron :bounce:

amir - 6-3-2007 at 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lee
... over a Pacifico at the California Hotel...

Lee, Brother Vet, Hombre, Cabron! I wrote you an email the other day when you offered me a beer on the "amnesty" thread on Memorial Day. Your SPAM blocker program probably has it... See you soon at Hotel California...

--Amir

amir - 6-3-2007 at 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CaboRon

What is three thousand miles in human terms ?

The way I use that expression, it means AS NEEDED. You will know when you need it. I will explain that to you on your first visit.

I don't want to take TOO much advantage of this generous forum. If you have more questions, please U2U me. Thanks.

--Amir

ATTACKS ARE PROVEN FALSE!!!

amir - 6-4-2007 at 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
Thadeus? Did I hear Thadeus, as in Doc Thadeus? DocT?

Amir............... Qualify yourself.......Quickly.

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS

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Sir, We will let you know.

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave

Quote:

Originally posted by amir
I did wonder, though, when that name came through, that it must have had some meaning, but that escapes me. Please enlighten me!

A chiropractor and a spiritual medium. Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
Your feelings were hurt, weren't they DocT. You were insulted. We called you "cabron" and it hurt. And here you are again, hiding behind a fiction, looking for approval.
Your new facade is so much more tolerable than the last, I even forget his name, sorry. You can remind me, but you won't. That's OK.
Amir, your new alter-ego has been a welcome addition to this site. Good thoughts and good observations but, I saw a deterioration in communication when he rambled on in pointed discussions, like he ran out of things to say as in your post above. But, we all get that way, don't we Doc.

You gave yourself up, pal. You had to return to the scene of the crime. Your ego wouldn't allow you to stay away, would it, Thadeus.

You're welcome here, Doc, if you want to talk. You're even welcome here if you only want to play games.

I enjoy the challenge.

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
Whadaya think, Doc?

Or should I say, "Amir."

Quote:

Originally posted by lencho
Ding! :wow:

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
No Doc.........It's you otra vez. All of that crap you spew ... is only desperation but you and I know that. It's part of the cat and mouse game that you get off on. It's just starting, isn't it.

... You and I and your alter-ego personalitys couldn't cram ourselves into an elevator.

What is it Doc? I asked you that a hundred times before when you guys were here. What do you want?

But, you're going to disclaim my assertions that you and Amir are the same person so, we have to authenticate you.
You don't mind, do you?

Do you know Rosarito Beach?

So Doc, the verification quiz is in your court. Take a whack at it.

Nobody was forthcoming when I asked for references about what you were talking about. For a while you seemed all crazy to me. I didn't know why you were being so abusive to me. Now I know what you were talking about, You assumed I was somebody else:

http://forums.bajanomad.com/member.php?action=viewpro&me...

Now I've been exonerated. But in your zealousness you were just over-protecting the board. Very astute! Good deductions! You are all forgiven - a case of mistaken identity. My doubts have cleared up. You all did a good job but were just a little rough. Thanks.

The saga continues:

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=24965&pag...

--Amir

[Edited on 6-4-2007 by amir]

Exoneration? Let's see.

Lee - 6-4-2007 at 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by amir
Now I've been exonerated. But in your zealousness you were just over-protecting the board. Very astute! Good deductions! You are all forgiven - a case of mistaken identity. My doubts have cleared up. You all did a good job but were just a little rough. Thanks.
--Amir

Not sure about the exoneration, Amir. I think your ability at verbal expression cut to the heart of the matter -- and some are not comfortable with the heart of any matter. To say the zealots were a little rough is an understatement. You are a gentleman and a Nomad and can most definitely handle yourself with finesse.

Cabron!!!

:cool:

DENNIS - 6-4-2007 at 02:26 PM

Lee----Amir----Doc et.al

Why don't you move this over to Amir's thread ---- "IM Back"--- and give this thread back to the rightful owner?

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