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FALSE DRUGS!

bancoduo - 6-24-2007 at 09:56 AM

http://www.banderasnews.com/0706/nr-falsedrugs.htm:cool:

amir - 6-24-2007 at 10:15 AM

What? Corruption in the pharmaceutical business? I'm shocked!!!

Taco de Baja - 6-25-2007 at 07:23 AM

One reason to pay "expensive" prices in this Country for medications; they're probably not counterfeit, and will not kill you.

amir - 6-25-2007 at 07:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Taco de Baja
One reason to pay "expensive" prices in this Country for medications; they're probably not counterfeit, and will not kill you.


Bull!

Aspirin alone kills 30,000 people a year.

In the US there are 270,000 cases a year of death after hospitalization due to prescription drug interactions. The AMA calls these deaths "Medical Misadventures."

The price of prescription drugs has nothing to do with their efficacy or safety!

--Amir

woody with a view - 6-25-2007 at 08:07 AM

you gonna die eventually! so you saved $$$ on a prescription, got sick and died?

more money left for your heirs.....there's always a silver lining........:lol::cool::light:

Cypress - 6-25-2007 at 08:18 AM

Was into pharmaceutics at one time, sort of a freelance retail salesman.:tumble: Very profitable.:spingrin: Had to retire due to health reasons.:tumble:

"Medical Misadventures."

Baja Bernie - 6-25-2007 at 08:23 AM

Sound so interesting...........like an old 'B' rated movie viewed for the tenth time.

Sometimes I think we really do need more deaths in this world and then occasionally I know it!

I just loved it when I found that almost all medications were in fact poisons and that it was only a matter of degree as to whether you would live (get well?) or die from the dosage.

Most comforting thought.

And now I am going to take my dreams back to an uncrowded and uncomplicated...................... Baja.

Cypress

Baja Bernie - 6-25-2007 at 08:24 AM

Sorry, I couldn't resist............"were you a Hot Shot?"

Taco de Baja - 6-25-2007 at 08:24 AM

But when you buy aspirin made by a US company, at least you know it's asprin, not arsenic; and you know there will not be Antifreeze in your toothpaste….Buy it cheap from a Chinese company, and the poison may be there.

And drug interactions are the fault of either the doctor, the hospital or the patient for not telling the doctor or the hospital about the other medications they are on....That is not the fault of Merk, Johnson and Johnson, Pfizer, or Bristol Meyers for adding the wrong chemicals to their product, or selling expired product. It's called an INTERACTION for a reason.

And Yes, I think a warning sign should be over the entrance of every hospital in the country.
WARNING: THE SURGEON GENERAL HAS DETERMINED THAT ENTERING THIS FACILITY MAY BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR HEALTH.
They are after all dangerous places, where millions of people die every year.

oldhippie - 6-25-2007 at 08:40 AM

Anybody that has bought Viagra (a drug whose effectiveness is emminently noticable) at the pharmacies in the vicinity of Tijuana establishments where this medication is useful knows that not all little blue pills are created alike. :cool:

Taco

Baja Bernie - 6-25-2007 at 08:41 AM

I like that---but I certainly hope it never gets posted over my neighborhood Cantina.

woody with a view - 6-25-2007 at 08:41 AM

i'd say 95% of the people who die in hospitals do die there because the hospital is where most dying people are taken!!!

edit: not due to the hospital/doctor error.

[Edited on 6-25-2007 by woody in ob]

Cypress - 6-25-2007 at 09:05 AM

Baja Bernie,:biggrin: No, nothing lethal.:biggrin:

Funny, except.....

Dave - 6-26-2007 at 01:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by woody in ob
you gonna die eventually! so you saved $$$ on a prescription, got sick and died?

more money left for your heirs.....there's always a silver lining........:lol::cool::light:


I take medication for glaucoma. The only way to know if the medication is effective is a vist to the opthamologist.

Don't worry, I wouldn't get sick and die...Just go blind.

Prescriptions

MrBillM - 6-26-2007 at 05:18 PM

The Principal reason I return to the U.S. every month is to refill prescriptions. Fortunately, our insurance makes our prices on the important stuff cheaper than in Mexico so I don't have to find out whether their drugs are phony. Unfortunately, it hampers my flexibility in travelling.

David K - 6-26-2007 at 05:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Taco de Baja
But when you buy aspirin made by a US company, at least you know it's asprin, not arsenic; and you know there will not be Antifreeze in your toothpaste….Buy it cheap from a Chinese company, and the poison may be there.

And drug interactions are the fault of either the doctor, the hospital or the patient for not telling the doctor or the hospital about the other medications they are on....That is not the fault of Merk, Johnson and Johnson, Pfizer, or Bristol Meyers for adding the wrong chemicals to their product, or selling expired product. It's called an INTERACTION for a reason.

And Yes, I think a warning sign should be over the entrance of every hospital in the country.
WARNING: THE SURGEON GENERAL HAS DETERMINED THAT ENTERING THIS FACILITY MAY BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR HEALTH.
They are after all dangerous places, where millions of people die every year.


Taco, you are wonderful at showing the facts behind the bull, it's too bad that emotional rants and hysteria get all the attention and fuels the left's myth that U.S. corporations are evil.:yes:

amir - 6-26-2007 at 11:51 PM

You are so blinded by your political fanaticism that you fail to see the reality of corporate life.

Do you know what is a "SAFE" drug in the USA?

By definition of the FDA, a safe drug is one that does not kill MORE than half of the test animals. If 49 out of 100 test animals die, it is still safe!

Read the PDR for any drug marketed by US pharmaceuticals. Read the small print. It is all a gamble. Taking pharmaceuticals is Russian Roulette.

By definition also: Drugs have SIDE EFFECTS. If it did not have side effects it would be called food. The only reason drugs are classified as such is because they are inherently dangerous. They can save your life, and they can also kill you. Who cares which is which as long as the manufacturers are making a killing on their profits? No pun intended.

--Amir

It's a (Mostly) Free Country (Sort Of)

MrBillM - 6-27-2007 at 08:25 AM

Worried about the Drugs ? Save money and Peace of Mind. Don't take them.

The Market at work.

Taco de Baja - 6-27-2007 at 08:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by amir
You are so blinded by your political fanaticism that you fail to see the reality of corporate life.

By definition of the FDA, a safe drug is one that does not kill MORE than half of the test animals. If 49 out of 100 test animals die, it is still safe!

By definition also: Drugs have SIDE EFFECTS.
--Amir

You are blinded by "feelings"

You are also misinformed, the "49/100 mortality test" you are referring to is more commonly referred to as the LD50 of a chemical (aka the lethal dose 50). It is used to rate the toxicity of most chemicals. It is the amount of a chemical (usually in milligrams of substance/kilogram of body weight) that will kill 50% of the test animals (usually rats and mice). It is then extrapolated to people....It can be used in pharmaceuticals, but it is well above the recommended dose needed to treat the problem....i.e. if a 80kg (180 pound) man takes 88 grams (3 oz) of aspirin (around 270 pills) he has a 50 percent chance of croaking....but no one takes 270 pills at a time, more like the recommended dose of 1-2 pills (325-650mg (0.01-0.02 oz)).

If I am wrong, Amir, please provide a link showing the FDA will certify a drug as "safe" if it has an LD50 in the recommended dosage for a drug.
__________________

Yes drugs have side effects.
Did you know that placebos have side effects too?
Many people in the double blind tests will get "relief" for their symptoms, even though they took the "sugar pill".
In addition, several will get headaches, nausea, diarrhea, sleeplessness, constipation, itchy dry skin, cramps, dry mouth, drowsy, sweaty palms, be unable to operate machinery.....et al. even though they took the "sugar pill".


Many more people would be dead today if it were not for modern pharmaceuticals, than the drug companies have ‘killed’ through drug interactions, drug allergies, or the occasional overdose.
I’ll take the modern world any day, as long as my drugs come from the USA, and not Mexico, India, China, as their drugs may contain chemicals with low LD50s that should not even be there in the first place....

amir - 6-27-2007 at 12:38 PM

Taco, if you believe drugs are safe, take them.
If I were desperate, I will be first in line to get a nostrum to heal me.
Thank God that I am healthy and at this time I don't need any drugs; if I were sick and suffering, I would try anything, and pay anything, that might have a smidgen of hope, and I would start with natural remedies and then progress to the more toxic ones.

I understand the placebo effect. It is wonderful! Some placebos have greater efficacy than drugs! The placebo effect accounts for over 30% of the benefits of drugs. Many drugs themselves are not even that effective!

I myself would be one of those dead people today if it were not for modern pharmaceuticals, so don't misunderstand me. I'm not putting them down, I am just weary of their toxicity and deleterious consequences. When I was a baby, all the children in my neighborhood died of an epidemic of typhus. I was the only one that survived because I was the only one that got penicillin shots, a very new drug back then. But they didn't know the dose for a tiny baby, so they gave me a whole lot, which saved my life, but it caused me other problem that affected my physical growth, my hormones, and some other physiologic problems. I survived, and I am thankful for that, so that I could warn others today about the danger of blind acquiescence to any marketable pharmaceutical.

All drugs are "safe" until proven otherwise. Thalidomide comes to mind. Celebrex is a more recent example of how profits blinded the pharmaceutical industry into dispensing deadly poisons and maiming compounds.

--Amir

Barry A. - 6-27-2007 at 12:46 PM

Amir------

CELEBREX?????? I take it pretty often, for arthritis pain, and it works like a miracle!!!! Don't leave home without it!!!!!

Celebrex is still on the market---------you must be thinking of that "Other" drug, the name of which I cannot remember------viox, I think.

YOU'RE RIGHT, SO SORRY!!!

amir - 6-27-2007 at 12:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Amir------

CELEBREX?????? I take it pretty often, for arthritis pain, and it works like a miracle!!!! Don't leave home without it!!!!!

Celebrex is still on the market---------you must be thinking of that "Other" drug, the name of which I cannot remember------viox, I think.


For a second there I thought I was a medical doctor and prescribed the wrong drug. A very common mistake... very serendipitous that it happened here, it just proves my point... Yes, it was the "other" one I meant. That was just an example. There is a long list of drugs that were pulled off the market after it was found out that they caused more problems than they cured. I have not kept records of which these are. I just know that there are many...

--Amir

Taco de Baja - 6-29-2007 at 03:09 PM

What next? :no:
Quote:
The state Department of Corrections pulled tubes of Chinese-made toothpaste from five prison facilities earlier this month following reports that similar brands contain a poison used in antifreeze, the agency said Thursday.

The New York Times reported Thursday that about 900,000 tubes of tainted Chinese toothpaste were more widely distributed in the United States than previously thought, turning up in correctional facilities, mental institutions and some hospitals.

Chinese-made products account for 60 percent of all consumer-product recalls, and 100 percent of all 24 kinds of toys recalled so far this year, he said.

Arnold Morton, director of dental services for the DOC, said in a statement that the toothpaste presented a low level of risk. "A person would have to swallow almost half a gallon of toothpaste for it to get the lethal dose," he said.


What would happen if someone ate 1/2 gallon of untainted toothpaste....:barf:

SPI link

[Edited on 6-29-2007 by Taco de Baja]

kellychapman - 7-1-2007 at 10:15 AM

My 82 yr old mother lives with me in Loreto (for the past 3 years) and I purchase her medications at the local farmacia's. I bring her to the US once a year to have her annual checkups (and to prove to the government she is still alive) and I fill several months of her meds in the US. The names of the drugs are the same in the US as they are in Mexico (generic). Luckily she does not have to take alot of different medications which makes it easier not to run into serious problems. I feel very comfortable that the drugs I purchase for her in Loreto are as safe as the ones purchased in the US. I have no doubt that there are problems with prescription drugs depending on what they are...however from the number of people that cross the border to purchase much needed medications speaks for itself...it is a sad state of affairs that so many cannot afford to purchase life saving pharmacueticals in the US and therefore have no alternative but to purchase in Mexico...Canada...all over the world actually. It makes me sick (pardon the pun) that the pharmacuetical companies rape the people in the US and as long as I double check purchases in Mexico I would ...do anything NOT to purchase in the US ....as long as I feel safe in what I need to purchase I will continue to support our local famacias...if I am in doubt of course I would not....it is the kickbacks that drs. make in the US that makes me want to scream ....in fact the entire medical system in the US is one of the reasons I moved to Mexico....
I paid a hospital bill for a child to be born in Constitution and it was $130.00 (american). My sons roomate had a baby last week in Las Vegas and spent the same amount of time in the hospital and the bill was $13,000...go figure. Yes the standards were much higher...but give me a break....something is wrong with this picture....
the statistics for deaths due to pharmacueticals in the US is very high...much higher then that of Mexico...

vandenberg - 7-1-2007 at 10:34 AM

In 1967 my daughter was born in Mercy Memorial Hospital in Sacramento. Bill, paid for by my union, was $ 150.00.
I was insured with Blue Cross for $ 27.95 a month for a family of four.
What happened:?::?::?:

Al G - 7-1-2007 at 10:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by kellychapman
My 82 yr old mother lives with me in Loreto (for the past 3 years) and I purchase her medications at the local farmacia's. I bring her to the US once a year to have her annual checkups (and to prove to the government she is still alive) and I fill several months of her meds in the US. The names of the drugs are the same in the US as they are in Mexico (generic). Luckily she does not have to take alot of different medications which makes it easier not to run into serious problems. I feel very comfortable that the drugs I purchase for her in Loreto are as safe as the ones purchased in the US. I have no doubt that there are problems with prescription drugs depending on what they are...however from the number of people that cross the border to purchase much needed medications speaks for itself...it is a sad state of affairs that so many cannot afford to purchase life saving pharmacueticals in the US and therefore have no alternative but to purchase in Mexico...Canada...all over the world actually. It makes me sick (pardon the pun) that the pharmacuetical companies rape the people in the US and as long as I double check purchases in Mexico I would ...do anything NOT to purchase in the US ....as long as I feel safe in what I need to purchase I will continue to support our local famacias...if I am in doubt of course I would not....it is the kickbacks that drs. make in the US that makes me want to scream ....in fact the entire medical system in the US is one of the reasons I moved to Mexico....
I paid a hospital bill for a child to be born in Constitution and it was $130.00 (american). My sons roomate had a baby last week in Las Vegas and spent the same amount of time in the hospital and the bill was $13,000...go figure. Yes the standards were much higher...but give me a break....something is wrong with this picture....
the statistics for deaths due to pharmacueticals in the US is very high...much higher then that of Mexico...

Thanks for reminding me of one of the three worst plagues on mankind...Lawyers...politicians...doctors, in that order.
They all can help you, but the price is immoral. They do make you think and work hard to stay out of their reach:biggrin:

Al G - 7-1-2007 at 10:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by vandenberg
In 1967 my daughter was born in Mercy Memorial Hospital in Sacramento. Bill, paid for by my union, was $ 150.00.
I was insured with Blue Cross for $ 27.95 a month for a family of four.
What happened:?::?::?:

Easy...they discovered they can get away with it...just like the oil companies have now:mad:

USA HEALTH CARE

Barry A. - 7-1-2007 at 11:48 AM

I pay $291 a month to Blue Cross Health insurance and it covers everything for myself and my wife that Medicare doesn't cover-------what's not to like???? I pay nothing more for any health care-------

This is called "insurance", and it works for me.

I almost forgot, I also pay $561 quarterly for Medicare Part "B".

That is $5,736 per year for 2 of us, and I don't think that is bad at all for TOTAL COVERAGE.

[Edited on 7-1-2007 by Barry A.]