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bancoduo
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FALSE DRUGS!
http://www.banderasnews.com/0706/nr-falsedrugs.htm
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amir
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What? Corruption in the pharmaceutical business? I'm shocked!!!
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Taco de Baja
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One reason to pay "expensive" prices in this Country for medications; they're probably not counterfeit, and will not kill you.
Truth generally lies in the coordination of antagonistic opinions
-Herbert Spencer
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amir
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
One reason to pay "expensive" prices in this Country for medications; they're probably not counterfeit, and will not kill you.
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Bull!
Aspirin alone kills 30,000 people a year.
In the US there are 270,000 cases a year of death after hospitalization due to prescription drug interactions. The AMA calls these deaths "Medical
Misadventures."
The price of prescription drugs has nothing to do with their efficacy or safety!
--Amir
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woody with a view
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you gonna die eventually! so you saved $$$ on a prescription, got sick and died?
more money left for your heirs.....there's always a silver lining........ 
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Cypress
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Was into pharmaceutics at one time, sort of a freelance retail salesman.
Very profitable. Had to retire due to health reasons.
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Baja Bernie
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"Medical Misadventures."
Sound so interesting...........like an old 'B' rated movie viewed for the tenth time.
Sometimes I think we really do need more deaths in this world and then occasionally I know it!
I just loved it when I found that almost all medications were in fact poisons and that it was only a matter of degree as to whether you would live
(get well?) or die from the dosage.
Most comforting thought.
And now I am going to take my dreams back to an uncrowded and uncomplicated...................... Baja.
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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Baja Bernie
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Cypress
Sorry, I couldn't resist............"were you a Hot Shot?"
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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Taco de Baja
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But when you buy aspirin made by a US company, at least you know it's asprin, not arsenic; and you know there will not be Antifreeze in your
toothpaste….Buy it cheap from a Chinese company, and the poison may be there.
And drug interactions are the fault of either the doctor, the hospital or the patient for not telling the doctor or the hospital about the other
medications they are on....That is not the fault of Merk, Johnson and Johnson, Pfizer, or Bristol Meyers for adding the wrong chemicals to their
product, or selling expired product. It's called an INTERACTION for a reason.
And Yes, I think a warning sign should be over the entrance of every hospital in the country.
WARNING: THE SURGEON GENERAL HAS DETERMINED THAT ENTERING THIS FACILITY MAY BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR HEALTH.
They are after all dangerous places, where millions of people die every year.
Truth generally lies in the coordination of antagonistic opinions
-Herbert Spencer
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oldhippie
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Anybody that has bought Viagra (a drug whose effectiveness is emminently noticable) at the pharmacies in the vicinity of Tijuana establishments where
this medication is useful knows that not all little blue pills are created alike.
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Baja Bernie
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Taco
I like that---but I certainly hope it never gets posted over my neighborhood Cantina.
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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woody with a view
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i'd say 95% of the people who die in hospitals do die there because the hospital is where most dying people are taken!!!
edit: not due to the hospital/doctor error.
[Edited on 6-25-2007 by woody in ob]
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Cypress
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Baja Bernie, No, nothing lethal.
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Dave
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Funny, except.....
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
you gonna die eventually! so you saved $$$ on a prescription, got sick and died?
more money left for your heirs.....there's always a silver lining........
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I take medication for glaucoma. The only way to know if the medication is effective is a vist to the opthamologist.
Don't worry, I wouldn't get sick and die...Just go blind.
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MrBillM
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Prescriptions
The Principal reason I return to the U.S. every month is to refill prescriptions. Fortunately, our insurance makes our prices on the important stuff
cheaper than in Mexico so I don't have to find out whether their drugs are phony. Unfortunately, it hampers my flexibility in travelling.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
But when you buy aspirin made by a US company, at least you know it's asprin, not arsenic; and you know there will not be Antifreeze in your
toothpaste….Buy it cheap from a Chinese company, and the poison may be there.
And drug interactions are the fault of either the doctor, the hospital or the patient for not telling the doctor or the hospital about the other
medications they are on....That is not the fault of Merk, Johnson and Johnson, Pfizer, or Bristol Meyers for adding the wrong chemicals to their
product, or selling expired product. It's called an INTERACTION for a reason.
And Yes, I think a warning sign should be over the entrance of every hospital in the country.
WARNING: THE SURGEON GENERAL HAS DETERMINED THAT ENTERING THIS FACILITY MAY BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR HEALTH.
They are after all dangerous places, where millions of people die every year. |
Taco, you are wonderful at showing the facts behind the bull, it's too bad that emotional rants and hysteria get all the attention and fuels the
left's myth that U.S. corporations are evil.
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amir
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You are so blinded by your political fanaticism that you fail to see the reality of corporate life.
Do you know what is a "SAFE" drug in the USA?
By definition of the FDA, a safe drug is one that does not kill MORE than half of the test animals. If 49 out of 100 test animals die, it is still
safe!
Read the PDR for any drug marketed by US pharmaceuticals. Read the small print. It is all a gamble. Taking pharmaceuticals is Russian Roulette.
By definition also: Drugs have SIDE EFFECTS. If it did not have side effects it would be called food. The only reason drugs are classified as such is
because they are inherently dangerous. They can save your life, and they can also kill you. Who cares which is which as long as the manufacturers are
making a killing on their profits? No pun intended.
--Amir
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MrBillM
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It's a (Mostly) Free Country (Sort Of)
Worried about the Drugs ? Save money and Peace of Mind. Don't take them.
The Market at work.
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Taco de Baja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by amir
You are so blinded by your political fanaticism that you fail to see the reality of corporate life.
By definition of the FDA, a safe drug is one that does not kill MORE than half of the test animals. If 49 out of 100 test animals die, it is still
safe!
By definition also: Drugs have SIDE EFFECTS.
--Amir
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You are blinded by "feelings"
You are also misinformed, the "49/100 mortality test" you are referring to is more commonly referred to as the LD50 of a chemical (aka the lethal dose
50). It is used to rate the toxicity of most chemicals. It is the amount of a chemical (usually in milligrams of substance/kilogram of body weight)
that will kill 50% of the test animals (usually rats and mice). It is then extrapolated to people....It can be used in pharmaceuticals, but it is well
above the recommended dose needed to treat the problem....i.e. if a 80kg (180 pound) man takes 88 grams (3 oz) of aspirin (around 270 pills) he has a
50 percent chance of croaking....but no one takes 270 pills at a time, more like the recommended dose of 1-2 pills (325-650mg (0.01-0.02 oz)).
If I am wrong, Amir, please provide a link showing the FDA will certify a drug as "safe" if it has an LD50 in the recommended dosage for a drug.
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Yes drugs have side effects.
Did you know that placebos have side effects too?
Many people in the double blind tests will get "relief" for their symptoms, even though they took the "sugar pill".
In addition, several will get headaches, nausea, diarrhea, sleeplessness, constipation, itchy dry skin, cramps, dry mouth, drowsy, sweaty palms, be
unable to operate machinery.....et al. even though they took the "sugar pill".
Many more people would be dead today if it were not for modern pharmaceuticals, than the drug companies have ‘killed’ through drug interactions, drug
allergies, or the occasional overdose.
I’ll take the modern world any day, as long as my drugs come from the USA, and not Mexico, India, China, as their drugs may contain chemicals with low
LD50s that should not even be there in the first place....
Truth generally lies in the coordination of antagonistic opinions
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amir
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Taco, if you believe drugs are safe, take them.
If I were desperate, I will be first in line to get a nostrum to heal me.
Thank God that I am healthy and at this time I don't need any drugs; if I were sick and suffering, I would try anything, and pay anything, that might
have a smidgen of hope, and I would start with natural remedies and then progress to the more toxic ones.
I understand the placebo effect. It is wonderful! Some placebos have greater efficacy than drugs! The placebo effect accounts for over 30% of the
benefits of drugs. Many drugs themselves are not even that effective!
I myself would be one of those dead people today if it were not for modern pharmaceuticals, so don't misunderstand me. I'm not putting them down, I am
just weary of their toxicity and deleterious consequences. When I was a baby, all the children in my neighborhood died of an epidemic of typhus. I was
the only one that survived because I was the only one that got penicillin shots, a very new drug back then. But they didn't know the dose for a tiny
baby, so they gave me a whole lot, which saved my life, but it caused me other problem that affected my physical growth, my hormones, and some other
physiologic problems. I survived, and I am thankful for that, so that I could warn others today about the danger of blind acquiescence to any
marketable pharmaceutical.
All drugs are "safe" until proven otherwise. Thalidomide comes to mind. Celebrex is a more recent example of how profits blinded the pharmaceutical
industry into dispensing deadly poisons and maiming compounds.
--Amir
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