BajaNomad - More crime on the highway

More crime on the highway

BornFisher - 9-1-2007 at 10:53 PM

Here is a link to a thread from a fishing board. Have NO idea if this is true but seems credible to me. The replies are a bit salty but it`s an emotional subject!!

http://www.bloodydecks.com/forums/fishing-chit-chat/81325-gu...

Sharksbaja - 9-2-2007 at 01:51 AM

2nd hand info in a forum is hardly that believable IMHO. Some 20-30something year old overzealous pseudofishermen over there . Displaying large dead Makos as avatars instantly organizes my thoughts. :fire:

Therefore, little credibility to me. FOS if u ask me.

Yes emotional if true.....on both counts! :rolleyes:

JZ - 9-2-2007 at 02:38 AM

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja
2nd hand info in a forum is hardly that believable IMHO. Some 20-30something year old overzealous pseudofishermen over there . Displaying large dead Makos as avatars instantly organizes my thoughts. :fire:

Therefore, little credibility to me. FOS if u ask me.

That's a very interesting response.

vandy - 9-2-2007 at 03:52 AM

I have to admit, scary as hell if true.
I certainly would be posting all vehicle descriptions, including VINs, caps/trailers, etc, along with descriptions of the perps, in the hope that the scumbags would be caught.
Meanwhile, I cross in Tecate when I drive, and make sure I'm driving an UGLY vehicle, as I've been doing for 22 years with no problems.
Those Bloodydecks fishermen have too many toys...

Dave - 9-2-2007 at 08:35 AM

I heard of a seprate carjacking that happened last week... 5am on the toll road just north of Rosarito. A resident of Calafia heading across the border for work was pulled over by a white truck with flashing lights then blocked by another vehicle. Car stolen, driver was beaten and dumped at the Real del Mar exit.

oxxo - 9-2-2007 at 09:17 AM

One response on Bloody Decks says that he was sitting in a restaurant, "not drunk or anything" and two Federales happen to walk in and pick him at random and throw him into jail overnight. "I wasn't doing anything, man!"

The BS meter is off the scale on this one!

vgabndo - 9-2-2007 at 03:32 PM

NOTE TO SELF: There is no need to further bother yourself with anything that has anything to do with "Bloody Decks"; you are far too busy to waste time on foul-mouthed Mexico haters who are only in Baja to take the people's fish.

DianaT - 9-2-2007 at 03:46 PM

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Originally posted by vgabndo
NOTE TO SELF: There is no need to further bother yourself with anything that has anything to do with "Bloody Decks"; you are far too busy to waste time on foul-mouthed Mexico haters who are only in Baja to take the people's fish.

amir - 9-2-2007 at 03:52 PM

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My sentiments, exactly!

bajabound2005 - 9-2-2007 at 04:04 PM

Well said vgabndo! I was thinking the very same thing. Doesn't anyone moderate that group?

bacquito - 9-2-2007 at 04:49 PM

I have been traveling Mexico-all part-for over 30 years and have never had a problem with robberies or abuse. Sometime ago(25 years) I was with a friend in the state of Vera Cruz and was detained by some Federalies at gun point but there had been a recent killing of some

I havw been traveling Mexico-all parts- for over 30 years and have had no problems!!

Halboo - 9-2-2007 at 05:06 PM

Yo Tambien

Shoot the messenger?

Dave - 9-2-2007 at 07:02 PM

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Regardless of our opinion about "Bloody Decks", isn't the point whether or not this actually happened? Has anyone with connections to the website checked?

I consider myself pretty much insulated from all this so it's not priority 1 but I would guess this affects most who post here. Out of hand dismissal of reports based on where heard seems, to me, shortsighted.

Dave

DianaT - 9-2-2007 at 07:25 PM

I don't see it as shoot the messenger---yes, I would like to know if it is a valid story---it is important to know.

But the comments and language on that forum are really offensive and seem more aimed at bad mouthing all of Mexico---when it is put in those terms, it diminishes the credibility. The garbage makes it easy to forget the original post.

Again, I think we would all like to know the truth and it was not the original poster who was so obnoxious---more just saying what he heard happened.

Hope to see you again in B.A.

Diane

[Edited on 9-3-2007 by jdtrotter]

BornFisher - 9-2-2007 at 08:46 PM

Thanks Dave. I was really puzzeled by the replies. There are SO many issues here involving this incident , but many here focused on the web site the poster choose. I bet if he posted here, there wouldn`t be a word of protest, and the thread wouldn`t have been steered to some lesser issue(s).
Hey folks--- Bloddydecks is a mostly uncensored fishing site. YES there are Baja/Mexico hating replies. BUT.. BD has 27,850 members (that`s twenty-seven thousand, eight hundred and fifty) and a lot of jerks post their uncensored smack. There are also a lot of really great people on that site. They just had a tuna tournament down in Puerto Vallarta with a 27K purse. A lot of locals benefited from that event.
O.K. rant over! Now what scares me are these carjacking incidents. I was waved down by a victim several years ago, and helped him out, even taking him to Rancho Bernardo (San Diego). And Lord help me if someone gets me!! I mean the vehicle I drive can go, but my fishing gear would kill me!!!
Link to tuna tournament--
http://www.bloodydecks.com/forums/bloodydecks-tuna-shootout-...

DianaT - 9-2-2007 at 08:59 PM

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Originally posted by BornFisher
Thanks Dave. I was really puzzeled by the replies. There are SO many issues here involving this incident , but many here focused on the web site the poster choose. I bet if he posted here, there wouldn`t be a word of protest, and the thread wouldn`t have been steered to some lesser issue(s).
Hey folks--- Bloddydecks is a mostly uncensored fishing site. YES there are Baja/Mexico hating replies. BUT.. BD has 27,850 members (that`s twenty-seven thousand, eight hundred and fifty) and a lot of jerks post their uncensored smack. There are also a lot of really great people on that site. They just had a tuna tournament down in Puerto Vallarta with a 27K purse. A lot of locals benefited from that event.
O.K. rant over! Now what scares me are these carjacking incidents. I was waved down by a victim several years ago, and helped him out, even taking him to Rancho Bernardo (San Diego). And Lord help me if someone gets me!! I mean the vehicle I drive can go, but my fishing gear would kill me!!!
Link to tuna tournament--
http://www.bloodydecks.com/forums/bloodydecks-tuna-shootout-...

Yea, I was one who agreed about that thread, and yet I have to confess that one of my sons posts on that forum, and he is a good person, or at least his mother thinks so. :yes

A car jacking anywhere is not a pretty picture. Too bad the jerks jumped in on that thread

Diane

[Edited on 9-3-2007 by jdtrotter]

Frank - 9-2-2007 at 10:32 PM

A lot of the guys on BD that are Baja/Mexico regulars didnt add on to that post, myself included. Most of us learned our lesson the last time this happened, its not worth the brain damage.

Bloody Decks isnt for everyone, its pretty much uncensored and it can be raw. If you dont like it, stay off the site, its that easy.

I will say that the guys I know that started that site and the regulars on it are a great bunch of people. Ive seen some amazing things happen over there. You cannot judge a book by its cover.

Just like when I first found the Nomads. I figured Id find a bunch of peaceful laid back people, until the bickering started. I couldnt believe it, but it just get like that sometimes, and doesnt make everyone on the site bad.

I dont doubt that the post is true. The poster hasnt ever given any BS reports, and isnt a known AH :tumble:

Its not hard to believe that you can get car jacked in TJ is it? Most of the guys that bad mouthed Mexico will never come down anyways, not such a bad thing is it?

honda tom - 9-2-2007 at 11:11 PM

just as dave said, its the incident that should have your interest.... not the rants of a few that are frustrated about the incident. acting as if the story is any less true because of the name of their group..... you the one foolin yourself.

My boat is named "El Matador de Pescado"... and yes I kill fish. I kill all the fish I can eat. anyone claiming to be some kind of protector of the fish, need not look at a gringo with a pole and hook. they need to look at the "chinos" (as my mexican fisherman friends call them), or the mexicans themselves with a "hooka" setup and spotlight.

A "seawatch" video on youtube said that the hooka divers were taking 200-500 kilos a night of finned fish from the reefs in loreto.(before the park was established) now they have moved just out of the park. I and my friends that fish mexico a few times a year might take 200 kilos a year, (and Im El Matador ha ha ). wasnt it the chinos that came in and raped the gulf of the shrimp several years back?

i drive that stretch several times a year, and mostly at night. I would like to hear about things such as this, so I can continue to keep my guard up til I'm south of san quintin.

Bajafun777 - 9-3-2007 at 12:07 AM

I just talked to a youngman who is a citizen of Mexico and was working as a cop in Rosarito but quit due to the corupt practices. He is very socialable, smart, in great shape and had everything any law enforcement agency would be looking for in a new recruit. He said he just couldn't mistreat people and take advantage of Americans, as he had a lot of them he had made friends with over the years. I told him he should reconsider but try on the Federal level and he might have a better experience. These are the kind of cops Mexico should be trying to hire and get moving their agencies away from the bad rap they have created by enriching themselves at the expense of those they victimize.
Frank, you are right that this probably did happened. Mexico has crooked cops setting other cops up and gang leaders using these crooked cops to kill those that they want out of the way. It's just plain depressing to us and just think how bad it is for the honest cops, like the youngman I know that just walked away from a career in law enforcement. Mexico has its work cut out for itself and needs our support to keep saying when something is wrong. So, instead of helping it stay wrong by paying off crooked cops to make the issue just go away we need to do the right thing. We all have seen first hand some real wrong things maybe not to the degree listed above but some of us real close to the above situation. Things are changing in Mexico but we need to not attack by bad mouthing but use constructive comments to push the bad things into the light to help them stop. I do not like to worry about crooked cops but have had to deal with them in the past and have learned when to insist on following them to the police station to help keep things right. "No Hurry, No Worry, Just Fun" let the easy on the easy make your stress slip away like no other place like Baja can. I for one am not going to let a few crooked cops or politicians run me away from the stress relief and fun I enjoy in Baja and in some places in Mainland Mexico!!!

Sharksbaja - 9-3-2007 at 04:14 AM

True, I may have overreacted to the site. Curb appeal is everything. What I saw were poor representatives of/on the site. I completely distracted by way of their dissing Mexico and shifting my thoughts in the subject. We can be pretty bloody ourselves at times but the general appearance and behavior is quite civil and austere.
I find a story as such delivered second hand with so many adjectives and details seems bloody fishy to myself. It reminds me of sack & doc. Who knows?
I hope these are rumorized tales. The thought of being accosted like they say peees me off. A car with some hand-placed flashing beacon can be a scary situation. Should you yield to one of these? A good question. There sure is no shortage of plain-clothed cars in any city anymore here in the states. These guys sport REAL lights permanently affixed to the vehicle.

But in Mex....
"To run or not to run" that is the REAL question.

Pstreet1 - 9-3-2007 at 07:19 AM

I, too, heard of the car jacking Dave heard about north of Rosarito, and I absolutely trust the source I heard it from.

cpg - 9-3-2007 at 11:03 AM

What would you guys dou if a car with flashing lights pulled up to you at that point on the highway waving to have you pull over?

Bajafun777 - 9-3-2007 at 11:15 AM

Since I know where the toll road is I would keep driving and get tough with my driving until I got to the toll road. If real cops they will deal with me there or if past the toll road booth I would try to get to the police station in Rosarito and deal with it there. If the Chief of Police of T.J. and Rosarito can be killed on the road driving to work then I have a valid reason for trying to get to a lighted and protected area to deal with whatever the flashing lights want to bring up, hopefully. Since I can not take my Colt 45 down to Mexico my communication skills will have to kick in as well as my possible driving skills. Better a peeed off local cop than me being robbed in the middle of nowhere in the dark. Later------------------bajafun777

bajaguy - 9-3-2007 at 11:22 AM

Bajafun....I'm with you, and besides, I have insurance on my car......a little offensive driving may help. Also carry a 1lb box of 1 1/2 inch roofing nails in your car......they cover a lot of highway when thrown out of the drivers window.......

Dave - 9-3-2007 at 01:41 PM

The incoming Mayor of Rosarito is considering a proposal that would allow a motorist the option of driving to a populated area (gas station, convenience store, etc) where a third party could serve as witness.

Of course, the police have to be convinced to play along. :rolleyes:

[Edited on 9-3-2007 by Dave]

JZ - 9-3-2007 at 02:10 PM

Seems like the whole area is to be avoided. It's not worth the risk.

Cypress - 9-3-2007 at 02:16 PM

cpg I'd pull over.

oldhippie - 9-3-2007 at 02:39 PM

I got pulled over yesterday morning, Sunday 7 AM, by the cops while driving east out of playas to the border. I was just east of the toll road and doing 60 mph in a 40 mph (60 km/hr) zone. He politely asked for my license and registration in pretty good English and we chatted for a bit about how to correctly pronounce my name. He gave me a verbal warning to slow down and said the next time I would get a ticket. I thanked him, we shook hands, and I was on my way.

oldlady - 9-3-2007 at 02:55 PM

hippie....
he probably lurks on nomads and was laying for you before you could bully and scoot. G;ad it worked out well.

Hook - 9-3-2007 at 03:10 PM

More importantly, exactly what type of car were you driving, oldhippie?

Sharksbaja - 9-3-2007 at 03:18 PM

and don't say" Volkswagen bus" :lol:

[Edited on 9-3-2007 by Sharksbaja]

DENNIS - 9-3-2007 at 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by oldhippie
we chatted for a bit about how to correctly pronounce my name.

What was he calling you? Old Heepy?

Taco de Baja - 9-3-2007 at 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by oldhippie
I got pulled over yesterday morning, Sunday 7 AM, by the cops while driving east out of playas to the border. I was just east of the toll road and doing 60 mph in a 40 mph (60 km/hr) zone. He politely asked for my license and registration in pretty good English and we chatted for a bit about how to correctly pronounce my name. He gave me a verbal warning to slow down and said the next time I would get a ticket. I thanked him, we shook hands, and I was on my way.

I got pulled over on the 18th for the same thing in the Playa area, headed toward the first toll station. I was going just slightly less: 80 kmph (50mph) in a 60kmph zone.

He too was very polite, we chatted about where I was going, how long my vacation was, who I was going with, how often I come to Mexico. I eventually ended up paying him the mordida he asked for, after a fake trip to the station :rolleyes:

, and he never actually wrote the ticket. He was in a real police car with a light bar.

oldhippie - 9-3-2007 at 05:28 PM

I was driving my new baja rig:

nu_camper.jpg - 42kB

oldhippie - 9-3-2007 at 05:38 PM

The Caddy is for sale:

caddy.jpg - 32kB

CaboRon - 9-3-2007 at 06:35 PM

Taco de Baja,

Fake trip to the police station ?

CaboRon :?:

CaboRon - 9-3-2007 at 06:38 PM

oldhippy,

Are you interested in trading ?

CaboRon

oxxo - 9-3-2007 at 06:52 PM

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Originally posted by CaboRon

Isn't that the car from Beverly Hillbillies?

CaboRon - 9-3-2007 at 06:54 PM

OXXO,

Yes, I stand busted :lol:

CaboRon

Old Hippy,

Paulina - 9-3-2007 at 08:15 PM

I'll trade you this truck for the caddy, door can be easily re-attached:

Or my bike, complete with basket for your beer runs...

elgatoloco - 9-3-2007 at 10:22 PM

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quote]Originally posted by oxxo

Quote:

Originally posted by CaboRon

Isn't that the car from Beverly Hillbillies?

".........so he loaded up the car and he moved to Beverly, Hills that is, swimming pools.........."

It's a truck not a car! :mad:

Signed,

Jethro Bodine

Taco de Baja - 9-4-2007 at 07:33 AM

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Originally posted by CaboRon
Taco de Baja,

Fake trip to the police station ?

CaboRon :?:

Yea,
He asked if I wanted to pay the fine now, or go to the station.
I said let's go to the station.
He gave vague directions, "exit at Playas, make a right..."
I did that there was no station. :rolleyes:

He pulled me over again, and asked what I thought I should pay.
I asked I if could pay by credit card at the station, he said no, cash only, now.
I relented and paid him the mordida. He was very polite, so I wasn't too bummed about it, plus I was speeding, so it wasn't a completely bogus shake down

I looked up the address for the Playas de TJ station when I got home it is on Av. Pedregal & del Agua, blocks in the wrong direction from where he told me it was.

CaboRon - 9-4-2007 at 07:41 AM

Taco de Baja,

WOW. I'm surprized the "officer" didn't have a fake

building front [propped up by a couple of 2x4s in the back]

for a "station". He really did not want to share the

fine with the other officers, did he ?

Take Care,

CaboRon

Diver - 9-4-2007 at 07:51 AM

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Originally posted by Taco de Baja
I looked up the address for the Playas de TJ station when I got home it is on Av. Pedregal & del Agua, blocks in the wrong direction from where he told me it was.

Anyone have a pocket-size list of police station adresses for Baja ??

.

CaboRon - 9-4-2007 at 07:54 AM

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Originally posted by Diver

Quote:

Originally posted by Taco de Baja
I looked up the address for the Playas de TJ station when I got home it is on Av. Pedregal & del Agua, blocks in the wrong direction from where he told me it was.

Anyone have a pocket-size list of police station adresses for Baja ??

.

GREAT IDEA !! :bounce:

I'll bet just pulling the list out might deter some police from pursueing the mordida.

CAboRon :bounce:

oldhippie - 9-4-2007 at 07:54 AM

Next time tell them you own a house in the area. That came up in our conversation and perhaps that's why I got let go with a warning.

CaboRon - 9-4-2007 at 07:56 AM

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Originally posted by oldhippie
Next time tell them you own a house in the area. That came up in our conversation and perhaps that's why I got let go with a warning.

You don't mean LIE :lol:

CaboRon - 9-4-2007 at 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by lovebahia22
i think people just need to be a bit more aware about when and where they are driving in baja.

Welcome to the forum lovebahia22,

I sometimes wonder if people are exceeding the fifty mile per hour speed limit or incurrung outher infractions.....OR are people being pulled over for doing nothing wrong.

Keep reading posts by persons on this forum talking about regularly exceeding the posted limits.

Just Wondering ,

CaboRon

fdt - 9-4-2007 at 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by lencho
If I were a traffic cop in La Paz, I could legitimately stop practically every car I see, for some violation or other. The point is who gets stopped and why...

--Larry

You'd be a rich man.

Cypress - 9-4-2007 at 02:25 PM

The only people that get stopped on I-5 are those in the slow lane. :spingrin:

The law can't catch those in the fast lane. :yes:

Muddying the water

Dave - 9-4-2007 at 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by lencho
If I were a traffic cop in La Paz, I could legitimately stop practically every car I see, for some violation or other.

You're saying there first needs to be a violation?

Since when?

But your statement does deserve attention. (If...for a totally different reason.) :rolleyes:

4baja - 9-4-2007 at 04:48 PM

tom took a 9 mill. round in the leg then rammed him with his trailler, might ba an idea. :cool:

CYPRESS

Sharksbaja - 9-4-2007 at 05:31 PM

Let me correct you please...

Quote:

Originally posted by Cypress
The only people that get stopped on I-5 are those in the slow lane. :spingrin:

The law ~~can't~~ won't catch those in the fast lane. :yes:

I call it "Gridlock at Eighty" or simply "GAT"

That all changes though when in No. Cal. where I call them "POR" drivers. That stands for "Pass On the Right" drivers. :wow:

Wow

who

was

that

guy!