BajaNomad - Another Robbery...

Another Robbery...

BajaBomber - 9-30-2007 at 08:43 AM

Ran into a friend last night who told me his buddies got pulled over on the toll road at 3am I believe early Friday morning north of Rosarito. They were in a 3 truck caravan on the way to spend a month at San Juanico.

Same MO as reported by the Labor Day weekend incident that was widely reported except this time on the toll road.

They reported that the robbers seemed like they were on speed. They accused them of drunk driving and that they were going to take their vehicles. They managed to keep their vehicles but lost a lot of cash. Not sure how they got out of it yet. I do know that they cancelled their trip and came straight home and are extemely shaken.

Should be getting more details direct from the source to report here soon.

I actually drove through TJ at 5:30am Sat. morning of Labor Day weekend just one hour after the reported incident at the top of the hill along the fence. Feel very lucky, won't be doing that again.

Bottom line. Drive during the day.

fdt - 9-30-2007 at 08:49 AM

And use the free road. :yes:

Bajaboy - 9-30-2007 at 09:19 AM

Why don't we pitch our money together and hire our own Nomads patrol? It amazes me that the Mexican government cannot even protect the toll road....

Zac

Bajagypsy - 9-30-2007 at 09:25 AM

What amazes me is the fact that after so many people have posted troubles that they have had on the toll road at around 3:00 am, people still insist on travelining it, I just don't get it...

Baja&Back - 9-30-2007 at 10:04 AM

Neither do I.

Where has common sense gone?

I wouldn't drive thru TJ at 4AM in 1970, and wouldnt do it now.
Then again, a resident of TJ wouldnt want to drive 3 blocks south of Little Tokyo in LA at 4 in the afternoon!

Bajaboy - 9-30-2007 at 10:13 AM

Well, I prefer driving through TJ at 5:00am myself. I don't have to worry about all the reckless traffic and inattentive drivers.

But regardless of when we prefer to drive, why can't the police keep the highway safe? I can't imagine getting robbed on the highway in the states and not complaining to the authorities. Why do the travelers of Baja as well as those that benefit from tourism fail to demand safe highways?

Think about it...how hard would it be to have a dedicated group of patrol cars?

Zac

[Edited on 9-30-2007 by Bajaboy]

woody with a view - 9-30-2007 at 10:40 AM

friends left this morning at 3am. hope they made it!

DENNIS - 9-30-2007 at 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy
Why don't we pitch our money together and hire our own Nomads patrol? It amazes me that the Mexican government cannot even protect the toll road....

Zac

Blackwater comes to mind. Do you think the government would object?

fdt - 9-30-2007 at 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy
It amazes me that the Mexican government cannot even protect the toll road....

Zac

They do but with limmited numbers, if you notice almost every time you are at the toll gate you see the federal highway patrol there and it's because it's a federal highway.
If you are on this road, you have to depend on the Federal highway patrol and no one else, no city police, no State police or municipal or PEP, why? they don't have jurisdiction, it's a legal issue, here is a note were the chief of police sais it better:
http://www.frontera.info/edicionenlinea/nota.asp?NumNota=263...

They get the call but they would have to pay a toll.

City cops will probably not come to your rescue, those are the ones in patrol cars in the cities like Tijuana Rosarito or Ensenada.
State cops will probably not come to your rescue, those are the ones with PEP, like the ones that got killed and a nomad is asking for donations for.
Both of these police forces are "preventive" only.
Neither one of these have jurisdiction to go to the toll road.
Just the federal police

Just the facts

fdt - 9-30-2007 at 11:11 AM

For those that "Love" the new Blvd 2000, know this;
Most locals don't want to travel it;
http://www.frontera.info/buscar/traernotanew.asp?NumNota=492...

So maybe if we wise up we will take the free road?

Russ - 9-30-2007 at 11:27 AM

This is a response I received from Anna Clearley a SD Union Tribune writer. I think she she would follow up on stories like this if she could get a contact person with the facts. Here is her E-mail address:
anna.cearley@uniontrib.com

Thanks for your message, Russ.
We are trying to follow up on some of those incidents. I have just two that i can confirm with the persons involved. I haven't been able to reach any other people in regards to other cases, but i also have been sidetracked lately with some other stories so i haven't been able to give it my full attention.
It helps when readers can alert me as to things like this, in particular if they have heard about something and have a way of reaching the victims.
We rely in part on readers like you because we can't be everywhere at all times. So , thanks for checking in with me and if you have any links to web sites where other cases are being covered, can you let me know?
Where do you live in Baja? Anna

fdt - 9-30-2007 at 11:33 AM

Maybe if she was to print it on the San Diego Union people would start using the free road.
It's in a way wierd that some here talk about boycoting but no one mentions boicoting the toll road wich seems to be the problem.

So...

Dave - 9-30-2007 at 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by BajaBomber
They accused them of drunk driving and that they were going to take their vehicles. They managed to keep their vehicles but lost a lot of cash.

They talked the robbers out of taking the vehicles? Nice trick. :rolleyes:

SDRonni - 9-30-2007 at 11:52 AM

What about folks whose condos are ON the toll road and there's no way to access from the free road without going on the toll road? :?:

fdt - 9-30-2007 at 11:55 AM

Were exactly is your condo and I'll post a route.

woody with a view - 9-30-2007 at 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by SDRonni
What about folks whose condos are ON the toll road and there's no way to access from the free road without going on the toll road? :?:

the problem seems to be going south. take the free road to rosarito and backtrack north...or to la fonda area and backtrack... or just hold on tight and roll the dice...

it seems if you don't have all the toys and a $45k truck they aren't targeting you, yet!

pappy - 9-30-2007 at 12:22 PM

it took these folks a while to figure out many of us like to roll through during the wee hours of the morning, hoping to avoid any cops, accidents, traffic,etc. if we all started using the free road i think they would catch on rather fast and then we would have a problem on the free road...changing locations isn't necessarily going to change the behavior...

DENNIS - 9-30-2007 at 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by Russ
anna.cearley@uniontrib.com

Didn't she come to us with some kind of request a while back and got roughed up pretty good? Or was that another Union writer?

fdt - 9-30-2007 at 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by pappy
...changing locations isn't necessarily going to change the behavior...

So we should not even try and keep paying them a toll for no "0" protection?
Mr. Spock would say it is illogical

bajaboolie - 9-30-2007 at 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by BajaBomber

Should be getting more details direct from the source to report here soon.

Please do let us know. It would be nice if they could talk directly to the reporter to generate public interest in this issue. We used to drive through at 4AM, but this year we'll cross at 6...and I'm bummed to wait!

fdt - 9-30-2007 at 03:08 PM

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Originally posted by bajaboolie
We used to drive through at 4AM, but this year we'll cross at 6...and I'm bummed to wait!

Why wait if there is no need? Just take the free road.

fdt - 9-30-2007 at 03:12 PM

So, let me ask "hipotetically" if there was a major break in the toll road and it could not be used would people just not travel? Is it that you must pay $2.65 or more to travel? Send me a check for half that ammount and I'll let you travel the free road.

bajaboolie - 9-30-2007 at 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by fdt

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Originally posted by bajaboolie
We used to drive through at 4AM, but this year we'll cross at 6...and I'm bummed to wait!

Why wait if there is no need? Just take the free road.

Ok, you're cracking me up with this free road business. :lol:

You'll be happy to know that your words aren't lost, though, and I proooomise to look closely at the map you posted on the other thread. I'm worried that since I've never taken the road, I'll take a wrong turn and find myself in a dead end with wild barking dogs, all the bad cops having a Bad Guy Conference and kidnappers eyeing my daughter! Kidding about that, but you get the point...I'm a sucker for familiarity. Just call me Nervous Nelly. Seriously, though, is the route reasonably safe? How much longer does it take?

Here's a Suggestion

Gypsy Jan - 9-30-2007 at 04:08 PM

Form a PAC, perhaps you could name it WWTTOTTRAFTWFL (We Want to Travel on the Toll Road Any ******* Time We Feel Like).

Raise money, find a Mexican lobbyist, pay money, pay more money, change lobbyist with new government, pay more money.

Eventually, laws will be passed and maybe funding will be earmarked.

Does this process sound familiar?

[Edited on 10-1-2007 by Hose A]

fdt - 9-30-2007 at 04:25 PM

Ok Nervous Nelly, next time you want to travel south let me know ahead of time and I'll wait at the border, you follow (as if I had you by my hand) me and I'll even bring my 5 year old and my 13 year old girls and we will lead you to the free road. Oh and we'll do it for free, you wont even have to pay the half price I stated before :lol:

Is it faster, no, is it safer, I think so and I see no reports of kidnappings for the free road. It is a shorter more logical route but it does have traffic lights. I'll ask again, does speed count? Relax, what's your hurry to go pay a toll?

fdt - 9-30-2007 at 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
pay money, pay more money, change lobbyist with new government, pay more money.

I'm glad I'm a Nomad, makes me feel like I have money and money and more money :lol:

Iflyfish - 9-30-2007 at 04:48 PM

ftd,

money and more money and more....... you are becoming a notre ftd!

Would you like some credit cards too?

Humor aside, I appreciate your thinking on this issue. I have thought that the toll roads were safer and that just isn't turning out to be the case. I also agree that the bad guys will adjust their methods as needed.

Are the lights being used by the banditos the same as on the Federal Cars? What color do the Federales use?

Ifyfish

DENNIS - 9-30-2007 at 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by fdt
It is a shorter more logical route but it does have traffic lights.

Ferna....
He could avoid the traffic lights through Tijuana by taking the border fence road up and over the hill and where the road splits off to the right for the toll road, don't take the turn. Go straight for a few miles and take the well marked right to Rosarito / Ensenada. You're still on the free road, and coming to the toll road at the north end of Rosarito. Get on the toll road or go into Rosarito. A couple of lights but not bad.

[Edited on 10-1-2007 by DENNIS]

DENNIS - 9-30-2007 at 05:13 PM

Actually, that's the same road you're talking about, just going around Tijuana rather than through it.

Cypress - 9-30-2007 at 05:13 PM

Lots of bad things happen after midnight on and off the road. Bad guys tend to be active when most folks are sleeping.

fdt - 9-30-2007 at 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by Iflyfish

Are the lights being used by the banditos the same as on the Federal Cars? What color do the Federales use?

Ifyfish

Policia Federal Preventiva or de Caminos would be plain Black and white units be it cars or trucks or SUV's, same as CHP.

Baja&Back - 9-30-2007 at 05:47 PM

Anyone can buy red & blue flashing lights at most flea markets in Baja or the US. I've seen them.

SDRonni - 9-30-2007 at 06:08 PM

fdt: The building is Las Olas Mar Y Sol, which is directly south of what used to be El Oasis, now Century Hotel???......on the toll road......Any way to get there avoiding the toll road?

DENNIS - 9-30-2007 at 06:21 PM

SDRonni......

I know right where you are. You'll have to go south on the toll road for about two miles to the turn-off to Rosarito. Turn off at that road and turn around, cross the overpass and follow the signs toward La Gloria. That road is the same road fdt has been talking about heading into downtown Tijuana.

fdt - 9-30-2007 at 06:34 PM

SDR I'll draw on a map for you, hold on.

bajamigo - 9-30-2007 at 07:01 PM

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Originally posted by BajaBomber
They reported that the robbers seemed like they were on speed. They accused them of drunk driving and that they were going to take their vehicles. They managed to keep their vehicles but lost a lot of cash. Not sure how they got out of it yet. I do know that they cancelled their trip and came straight home and are extemely shaken.

The pattern seems to be that one vehicle pulls you over, using phony red lights, etc., and a second pulls in front to block your progress. Unless you're being stopped by a Federale black-and-white, what's the best thing to do?

1. Keep going until you reach a toll booth or some populated area, or
2. Suffer some front-end damage and push the b****rd out of the way, or
3. Something else?

Or are these guys so convincing that you basically can't do anything. Would love to see opinions.

bajabound2005 - 9-30-2007 at 07:03 PM

Did I see somewhere that the they are talking about handing that toll road over the to the State?

rts551 - 9-30-2007 at 07:06 PM

Seems like a lot of opinions already amigo... on a number of unsubstantiated and unreported instances of stuff

fdt - 9-30-2007 at 08:46 PM

SDRonny, here is a map, sorry my wife i using the PC with the other program I'm used to, had to do this one on prehistoric paint. When you reach the junction free to toll road, stay to the right lanes as if going into Rosarito, then almost immediatly to the left you go over the bridge were it sais (says)Tijuana toll road, it will be the left lane and then just go past Oasis (were your condo is) and exit at the bridge, and return. Hope it helps.

fdt - 9-30-2007 at 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by bajabound2005
Did I see somewhere that the they are talking about handing that toll road over the to the State?

They have been talking about it for a long time now.

805gregg - 10-1-2007 at 06:55 AM

If you are going to Ensenada or further south, enter at Tecate maybe 15 miles further. We crossed at Tecate at 7:30 was in GN at 4:30.

shari - 10-1-2007 at 10:05 AM

I think the free road has police from other jurisdictions on it...correct? So probably less hoodlems even if they do change their MO...better chance of reporting problems I figure...plus better taco stands and interesting sights. No brainer...

Hook - 10-1-2007 at 10:19 AM

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Originally posted by bajamigo

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How could you possibly tell at dark:30 if the unit pulling you over is black and white? I couldnt tell in my rear view mirrors, especially when towing.

Dennis's route is pretty easy. Going straight after you clear the top of the hill is a pretty fast route, multiple lanes in each direction and not a lot of stoplights.

Dennis, what would towing something long be like after you make the right turn towards Rosarito?

elgatoloco - 10-1-2007 at 10:35 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by fdt
It is a shorter more logical route but it does have traffic lights.

Two of the carjackings occured on the border fence road.

Cross at 7:00 AM you can have a nice lunch at El Paraiso in SQ.

Dave - 10-1-2007 at 10:36 AM

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Originally posted by Hook
Dennis, what would towing something long be like after you make the right turn towards Rosarito?

It's four lane all the way but there's a steep hill (but not near as severe as the border road) then a loong downgrade all the way to Rosarito. If you have surge brakes they will likely be engaged most the way down. I prefer the toll road when towing.

My favorite route

Dave - 10-1-2007 at 10:48 AM

Free road 201 would be to use Blvd Fundadores. Then you could stop at the TJ brewery and stock up.

Starts by using the far left lane after crossing the border. Around the clover then up to Revolution and left to Fundadores...Then right.

Ferna, could you draw a map?

bajaboolie - 10-1-2007 at 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by fdt
Ok Nervous Nelly, next time you want to travel south let me know ahead of time and I'll wait at the border, you follow (as if I had you by my hand) me and I'll even bring my 5 year old and my 13 year old girls and we will lead you to the free road. Oh and we'll do it for free, you wont even have to pay the half price I stated before :lol:

Geez, I'm not that bad!

But thanks for the offer...I get your point, though. If you feel safe enough to bring your kids at that hour, that speaks volumes to me.

[Edited on 10-1-2007 by bajaboolie]

comitan - 10-1-2007 at 12:36 PM

To whom it may concern: I make this statement of my own free will and without any coercion. I and my wife spent 2 weeks staying with Fernando I his wife and kids, during that time we walked around TJ, drove, took taxis, and buses. Its just another city with many inhabitants going about their business of living, working playing etc.

Hook - 10-1-2007 at 12:39 PM

Dave, you might be surprised to learn that you can zoom in to street level (with names) in TJ with Mapquest. I know I was surprised.

Was thinking maybe staying on Circuito Bursatil until you get to the Calle 10 circle and then take Calle 10 over to Fundadores. Probably not towing, though. :biggrin:

I guess the biggest disadvantage would be.........no brewery. NO BUENO !!!!

gnukid - 10-1-2007 at 01:02 PM

I have also been the victim of home invasion robbery this weekend in la paz. The neighbors called the police who caught them but won't press charges unless I process the charges and face the criminals who have threatened to kill me if I do, of course the stuff is gone and wont be returned in any case. They also beat up the neighbors who called the cops.

Right now its crazy, it seems every drug addict is desperate and willing to stop at nothing. to steal anything they think is worth something. They have thrown rocks through many windows in downtown to steal at night. The cops are doing almost nothing except stopping by later to say "I'm sorry for you, its happening everywhere". Its not a good time now. There are many problems in the schools with striking teachers-we probably have lost the whole semester, businesses are being robbed and prefer to shut the doors etc... drug cartels are fighting with each and with police and it is not going to be resolved soon.

No one has the energy or desire to put up a fight to stop it.

I would avoid all of mexico for the time being and maybe all of 2007-2008.

[Edited on 10-1-2007 by gnukid]

comitan - 10-1-2007 at 01:11 PM

Gnukid

Years ago when we lived in Oakland we were Burglarized twice we called the police, they came by and apologized and said its happening everywhere. Sound familiar.

gnukid - 10-1-2007 at 01:18 PM

Yes, my first thought today was, la paz is safer than Oakland... both places I love both seem unusually dangerous.

I guess the old rule dont bring anything of value to mexico and you wont lose anything of value in mexico, stands true. Its a good system.

Hook - 10-1-2007 at 01:28 PM

Really, REALLY SAD, GNUKID !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tripledigitken - 10-1-2007 at 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
I have also been the victim of home invasion robbery this weekend in la paz. The neighbors called the police who caught them but won't press charges unless I process the charges and face the criminals who have threatened to kill me if I do, of course the stuff is gone and wont be returned in any case. They also beat up the neighbors who called the cops.

Right now its crazy, it seems every drug addict is desperate and willing to stop at nothing. to steal anything they think is worth something. They have thrown rocks through many windows in downtown to steal at night. The cops are doing almost nothing except stopping by later to say "I'm sorry for you, its happening everywhere". Its not a good time now. There are many problems in the schools with striking teachers-we probably have lost the whole semester, businesses are being robbed and prefer to shut the doors etc... drug cartels are fighting with each and with police and it is not going to be resolved soon.

No one has the energy or desire to put up a fight to stop it.

I would avoid all of mexico for the time being and maybe all of 2007-2008.

[Edited on 10-1-2007 by gnukid]

I'm sorry you have been the victim of these robbers. But to say avoid Mexico through 2008? Seems a little extreme. What neighborhood do you live in? I won't park my car there when we are down for this November!

Ken

mtgoat666 - 10-1-2007 at 02:26 PM

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Originally posted by HookHow could you possibly tell at dark:30 if the unit pulling you over is black and white? I couldnt tell in my rear view mirrors, especially when towing.

getting so you need an armored car with bullet-prooof glass and run-flat tires. in mexico, you can get your existing car fixed up for about $40k, but it does a number on your milage -- of course, if you don't drive at nite, you may be able to do without this.

driving at 3:00 AM on a quiet road in a tough neighborhood, in an expensive car packed full of expensive toys while carrying lots of cash, credit/ATM cards... you got to be delusional to think you don't make a nice target.

many, many years ago they started telling people to not travel at nite in many parts of mainland mexico. sounds like that is now sound advice for gringos in baja.

anyways, at nite, if the banditos don't get you, the cows certainly will.
don't drive at nite!

And while on the La Paz subject

fdt - 10-1-2007 at 02:30 PM

A top ranking La Paz police chief was executed in his car yesterday morning, while with his daughter, at 10 AM, she was not harmed. This happened in town by the chiefs home on Venustiano Carranza between Rosales and Bravo. He received between 10 and 13 shots from a 38. The gettaway car, a white nissan sentra was later found abandoned on Mexico and Allende at the Banorte parking lot.

http://www.oem.com.mx/elsudcaliforniano/notas/n436632.htm

http://www.tribunadeloscabos.com.mx/newpage/index.cfm?op=por...

gnukid - 10-1-2007 at 02:37 PM

Its a good lesson to learn over and over, the less you have the better off you are.

I live in el Manglito which is the waterfront old neighborhood of la paz about 1 block from Marina la Paz, there are usually marines standing in front of the house, military, police, AFI, plug drinkers and druggies, they are all there but really the police do not want to mess with people on drugs in the midst of crime, there is little benefit to doing so and much to lose according to lore.

Honestly, the neighbor in a wheel chair was trying to stop them and they beat him too and still he says he is happy to testify in court against them.

But really things in general are not well, the mood is not good, the students at UABCS have lost the semester and even they have taken their school funds and spent it on drugs, according to what I can see.

Its like the whole region is looking to someone to save them but not one person will stand up.

And worse, when I speak to my gringo friends they seem to have no hope at all just resignation that there is nothing you can do to stop the crime.

For me I don't like to be in that situation, I think when I am on the water I am most safe in mexico, anywhere but on the streets of La paz where the vultures will eat you alive.

Life on the wild side.

Sharksbaja - 10-1-2007 at 02:50 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
Its like the whole region is looking to someone to save them but not one person will stand up.
Life on the wild side.

A bit confused. Are you saying you will not press charges? Is there like a gang or cohorts that will come after you? I'd say if nobody cares enough to make a stand then prepare for the worst. A dangerous and sticky situation to say the least. Sorry about your losses there kid.

mtgoat666 - 10-1-2007 at 04:35 PM

Gnukid,
Sounds like you need Shane, Underdog or Lone Ranger, or perhaps the Magnificent Seven or Billy Jack. Maybe a more modern version of the western savior, with modern firepower, like a deranged Rambo.

Driving through TJ to the Free Road

Gypsy Jan - 10-1-2007 at 05:10 PM

fdt has posted a lot of great information.

I just want to contribute from my own perspective, maybe it will help Baja travelers.

In general, I prefer to go to the border at San Ysidro on the 5 fwy - not the 805 - the backup seems to be less congested and the the "swoopers" aren't trying to cut in from the return lane, but, all bets are off on "special occasions", =i.e., U.S. and Mexican holidays, etc.)

Once you pass the red/green signal for secondary on the Mexican side, merge left. You will move faster - ignore the congestion, simply stay calm and firm and move into the lane without getting worried - you will be able to get in, eventually.

After the short rise up over the bridge, move to the far right, but do not take the offramp for the toll road to Rosarito.

Instead, choose the right hand road that takes you to the Zona Rio. Proceed south. As you wait at stop lights, buy flowers from the roadside vendors (lilies, roses, orchids...I will accept any gifts as you pass my house going south :lol

After the McDonalds and the circle, get ready to turn right on Cuahotemoc Sur -- just look for the many cars that are lining up to turn right on this corner, and, there is a sign.

Follow the road as it goes through the city in a western direction and you will find yourself on the the northern coastal part of the city of Rosarito and there is an onramp to the Cuota (toll road). You can go north or south on the coast at this point.

DENNIS - 10-1-2007 at 09:24 PM

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Originally posted by elgatoloco

Two of the carjackings occured on the border fence road.

Sorry this reply was so belated but, no. The border fence road is heavily traveled, day and night, and constricted with no place to pull off, not to mention well lit from the US side. None of the reported crap happens on that stretch of the road. Nada.

fdt - 10-3-2007 at 09:43 PM

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Originally posted by Dave
Free road 201 would be to use Blvd Fundadores. Then you could stop at the TJ brewery and stock up.

Starts by using the far left lane after crossing the border. Around the clover then up to Revolution and left to Fundadores...Then right.

Ferna, could you draw a map?

Dave, sorry it took so long, as we had to delete programs from one PC and well, here are your maps and you'll be happy to know we finally got everything to work with mixer and 2 PS'c , first try with new set up tomorrow morning 9:30AM.

"Daves Route 201 part 1

"Daves Route 201 part 2

"Daves Route 201 part3" (junction to free road)

And Daves Route 201 joins the free road with a map I posted before of the free road route

And here you see were they join with Daves route 201

elgatoloco - 10-3-2007 at 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by elgatoloco

Two of the carjackings occured on the border fence road.

Oh really.

Where are you EXACTLY if you are half a mile from the US/Mexico border heading for the toll road driving along the border fence?

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=26592&pag...

Where are you EXACTLY if you have JUST crossed the border and are going up the steep hill along the border fence?

From Bloodydecks.com

"Well I've been traveling Baja all of my life and I've finally had to witness the worst...

At 3:00am we had just crossed the Border at Tijuana, My buddy and myself in my F350 and two other guys in their small Chevy Pu. I was the lead car. Just as we were going up the steep hill along the border fence I noticed that the other truck was getting pulled over.. So I slowed at came to a stop just up the road. Seconds later a grey Ford Explorer No plates pulled in front of my truck. Two men quickly got out of the car guns drawn coming towards me...I quickly hit the gas and was able to get out of there..It seems that they chased us for a short time but never caught us.. We eventually got far enough away where we felt safe(kinda) and my phone rang.. My wife had the other guys on the phone and they were completly robbed all the way down to their wedding rings..Luckily they had family just blocks away and were safe and on the way to the border(without Truck)..

Please be careful, my father in law works in TJ for the PGR and according to him this is not an isolated incident in this area.. But the good news is none have been reported in daylight hours so please be smart..IT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU.

Be Safe "

Nada my ass.

I await your sincere apology. :saint:

awfulart - 10-6-2007 at 08:43 PM

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Originally posted by elgatoloco

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by elgatoloco

Two of the carjackings occured on the border fence road.

There are those on the "Open Roads Forum" that question the veracity of Crime reports. I am a trusting soul so I do believe these crimes occur. However, a link to a newpaper article confirming the crime,. would be helpful realizing that this could be difficult and I am sure there would be nothing in the Mexican publications.

BajaNomad - 10-6-2007 at 11:16 PM

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Originally posted by awfulart
...a link to a newpaper article confirming the crime,. would be helpful...

Being in the press had been noted previously:

http://www.kpbs.org/news/local;id=9580

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20070911-1159...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20070912-9999...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20070912-1...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20070913-9...

[Edited on 10-7-2007 by BajaNomad]