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There Goes The Neighborhood

Don Alley - 11-4-2007 at 04:17 PM

At The White Sand Beach, Isla Coronado


marv sherrill - 11-4-2007 at 04:19 PM

how true!

Neighborhood

tehag - 11-4-2007 at 04:32 PM

Alas, the ultimate disturbing the peace. I wonder if they have the required permits to come ashore on park islands. Hmmm.

DENNIS - 11-4-2007 at 04:32 PM

My condolences. The ambience has gone to hell.

Paulina - 11-4-2007 at 04:54 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
My condolences. The ambience has gone to hell.


ditto.
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elizabeth - 11-4-2007 at 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by Paulina
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Originally posted by DENNIS
My condolences. The ambience has gone to hell.


ditto.
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Ditto again...are they actually legal there????

Paula - 11-4-2007 at 05:27 PM

We think not.

DENNIS - 11-4-2007 at 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by elizabeth
Ditto again...are they actually legal there????

Who knows. Is farting in church legal?

BajaWarrior - 11-4-2007 at 05:46 PM

They are watercraft like any other. It's up to the rider to show some responsibility.

Don, were they hot doggin' around being a nuisance? Or did they use the jet ski's as transportation?

We have two and really enjoy them, and we ride responsibly.

Gadget - 11-4-2007 at 05:47 PM

While we were in Todos Santos down at Cerritos beach there was this idiot Jimmy, I think someone told me was his name, who launches his jet ski off the beach there. He was jumping the waves with surfers and swimmers in the water and some times he couldn't even see who or what was behind the wave as he smashed thorugh it. Some American gal died of a drug overdose at his house one night during one of their all night raves. Did I mention I think he is and idiot???:mad:

Bob H - 11-4-2007 at 05:54 PM

I don't understand what the problem is....??

bajaguy - 11-4-2007 at 06:00 PM

I think it's time to have a talk with Jimmy, at night, some place dark

Don Alley - 11-4-2007 at 06:08 PM

They are illegal at the islands in the Loreto Marine Park.

Paulina - 11-4-2007 at 06:13 PM

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Originally posted by Bob H
I don't understand what the problem is....??



Speaking ONLY for myself, here's my problem with them;

The jet skis, or as they are called in Baja, "jet skys" are obnoxious and noisy. The drivers tend to run back and forth, back and forth, and then, back and forth directly in front of camp. I don't want to group all jet ski users into one catagory, BUT most of the operators are not aware of swimmers or fishermen, or people who like to sit at the edge of the water and enjoy life without a waterproof lawn mower running back and forth like chewing corn off a cob in their horizon.
If you get on the beast, then take it somewhere! Go fishing with it, put it to some use other then pretending you're an old fashioned noisy typewriter going back and forth.
Loud, obnoixious and annoying. In my opinion, that's what the problem is.
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bajaguy - 11-4-2007 at 06:15 PM

What about ATV's on the beach???

DENNIS - 11-4-2007 at 06:24 PM

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Originally posted by Bob H
I don't understand what the problem is....??

The problem is, for me, that people with these toys tend to use them to their max in populated areas. They arn't meant for off-shore. They're meant for shoreline activities.
In a quiet environment, they have a ruinous effect, like seeing a motocross in a city park.
They are so loud. And dangerous.
I think I remember MrBill saying that they turn the innocent riders into outlaw bikers. How right he is.
I know they're fun but they have no home on a populated shoreline.
There should be areas set aside for parents who want to teach their kids and themselves to be agressive with vehicles.
They should include body armor with those nasty pieces of crap. It would be a prudent piece of equipment.

toneart - 11-4-2007 at 07:22 PM

I have seen them endangering lives and making noise at Punta Chivato. Last year I saw one circling round and round a poor whale that had come into the Bahia de Concepcion at Playa Santa Barbara. The whale had nowhere to go. He was trapped. I tried to yell at the idiot to stop, but he either didn't hear me, or more likely for that mindset, he was ignoring me.

This is the ultimate projection of the Manifest Destiny mentality; Survival of the fittest; "We are the masters of nature and it is there for our use, abuse and amusement." :fire:

Paula - 11-4-2007 at 07:31 PM

Bob H, I think Paulina and Dennis have said it pretty well. Loud, obnoxious, and most of all dangerous to other people in the area. I have to disagree with Dennis in one respect. I don't think jet-skiers should be allowed to use body armor, they should be in as much danger of injury or death as the people nearby that they put at risk. I'd rather not be so callous, but these riders bring out the worst in me. I could see them from a distance as we approached the island today-- fast moving wakes close into shore. As we came in there were many swimmers and snorkelers in the water. These guys didn't seem to care.

Bajaguy, ATV's are OK as transportation, but hot-rodders on the beach during a sunset walk aren't my personal favorite thing:no:

But I admit to being something of a luddite. I'm not even that crazy about my computer, except for e-mail , Nomads, and shopping.:yes:

elizabeth - 11-4-2007 at 08:14 PM

In addition to the noise pollution, one of the reasons that they were banned on Tomales Bay (Marin County) and the Gulf of the Farallones Marine Sanctuary was because of the inefficiency of the engines that emitted unburned fuel into the water and air. They also interfered with nesting shorebirds and scared off pods of whales, and had pretty bad accident and injury rates. I'm sure there are some places where they could be used, but they don't belong in marine sanctuaries, or a national marine park...maybe theme parks would be a better plan.

DENNIS - 11-4-2007 at 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by Paula
I'm not even that crazy about my computer, except for e-mail , Nomads, and shopping.:yes:

What else is there?

Paula - 11-4-2007 at 08:32 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
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Originally posted by Paula
I'm not even that crazy about my computer, except for e-mail , Nomads, and shopping.:yes:

What else is there?



Hmmmm... then maybe I'm not as dumb as I think I am!:light:

salvavida - 11-4-2007 at 08:48 PM

Oh no, one group likes peace and quiet another likes disregard and noise pollution. In my dealings with PWC's and unruly atv's Its usually a simple fix. Invite them over for a friendly hello then some serious "tough Love" from the group.Although if I'm alone and in the minority I may have to let them have it.But hey, at least let them know how you feel.

vandenberg - 11-4-2007 at 09:00 PM

I suggest the navy and coastguard use them for target practice with heavy caliber ammo.
In my mind I can just see the tracers turning up their wake while they try to outrun the bullets.:P:P
And this from a non-violent person.:(:(

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Paula - 11-4-2007 at 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by lencho
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Originally posted by DENNIS
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Originally posted by Paula
I'm not even that crazy about my computer, except for e-mail , Nomads, and shopping.:yes:

What else is there?

Tell me that was not a serious question...

Come to think of it, I'm disadvantaged. What does the average computer owner actually use the thing for? :?:

You nomad folks... what applications do you use other than the above mentioned?



--Larry


sounds like a great idea for a new topic:biggrin:

Don Alley - 11-4-2007 at 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by vandenberg
I suggest the navy and coastguard use them for target practice with heavy caliber ammo.
In my mind I can just see the tracers turning up their wake while they try to outrun the bullets.:P:P
And this from a non-violent person.:(:(


Do you really think Loreto's Mexican Navy guys could hit one of those things?

Now if they could take one under tow...

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salvavida - 11-4-2007 at 09:14 PM

would that be take one "undertow'?

salvavida - 11-4-2007 at 09:26 PM

No matter what the vessel or vehicle it come sdown to operator responsibility and local laws.Anything with an engine can be a nuisance.I hear The new jet ski frontier is Shell Islandhttp://forums.bajanomad.com/images/smilies/tumble.gif



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bajadogs - 11-4-2007 at 09:40 PM

I use to water ski at the river and at Mission Bay... The Jet Ski clowns took over and the fun was over. Throw rocks at them. They look one way while driving the other. Chase them down, chew them out.

Grover,
As you know... the riders are looking for a wake, completely blind to the skier in tow. Gave up water skiing because the jet skis were such a nuisance.

:mad::mad:

Phil S - 11-5-2007 at 10:56 AM

For years I thought the jet skiier was "after me". Everywhere I lived or went (usually on the water) over the years their population continued to grow. Short of a 'dirt bike' I can't think of anything any more obnoxious that a jet ski. Granted. There are responsible riders. For some reason we don't notice those. BUT I certainly do notice the ones others have mentioned. And then to find & settle down on the Sea of Cortez, and damned if again "they followed me down here". Vandenburg has the right idea!!!!!!!!!!

vandenberg - 11-5-2007 at 11:10 AM

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Vandenburg has the right idea!!!!!!!!!!



Thanks for the endorsment Phil.
I'd do it myself if they just would allow me to bring my old stengun with me.:(:(:biggrin::biggrin:

Slowmad - 11-5-2007 at 11:11 AM

Keep the "sea lice" where they belong—in Cabo.

snowmobiles

Skipjack Joe - 11-5-2007 at 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by Phil S
Short of a 'dirt bike' I can't think of anything any more obnoxious that a jet ski.


Snowmobiles are just as unpleasant. If you have ever enjoyed a day of cross country skiing only to have the serenity of the white wilderness broken down by the racket and holler from a snowmobile you know what I mean.

bajamigo - 11-5-2007 at 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by Paulina
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Originally posted by Bob H
I don't understand what the problem is....??



Speaking ONLY for myself, here's my problem with them;

The jet skis, or as they are called in Baja, "jet skys" are obnoxious and noisy. The drivers tend to run back and forth, back and forth, and then, back and forth directly in front of camp. I don't want to group all jet ski users into one catagory, BUT most of the operators are not aware of swimmers or fishermen, or people who like to sit at the edge of the water and enjoy life without a waterproof lawn mower running back and forth like chewing corn off a cob in their horizon.
If you get on the beast, then take it somewhere! Go fishing with it, put it to some use other then pretending you're an old fashioned noisy typewriter going back and forth.
Loud, obnoixious and annoying. In my opinion, that's what the problem is.
P<*)))><


And that speed and power seem to affect even otherwise nice people. My wife and I like kayaking in the Estero, but as you approach the Estero Beach Hotel, cuidado! The jet "skyers" evidently feel obligated to run off those irritating kayaks by continually buzzing them, speeding within a few feet of the kayak, and otherwise making it an experience that now keeps us off that water on weekends. Au revoir, ambience.

:(:(

Crusoe - 11-5-2007 at 07:01 PM

In the "Great Pacific Northwest"..........some folks became so sick of the obnoxious noise and obscene antics and of the miserable type of people who operate jet skis that they passed a law banning the use of them in San Juan County. Turned out the some of the openets of the P.W.C. were actulaly going to launch sites and trashing out their cars and trailers. Some insensitive operators were harassing whales and other marine wildlife. Their were many studies conducted in the 80's and the noise polution from P.W.C. was concluded to be extreemly harmful to all marine life. ++C++

BajaWarrior - 11-5-2007 at 07:26 PM

I've heard about these offenders, you take them anywhere and they'll pee you off doing whatever it is they do. I steer clear of them.

We (we're in our mid 40's) own Jet Ski's and always have. BTW, our two models, a SeaDoo and a Kawasaki, one being two stroke, and the other a four stroke, are two of three models allowed on Lake Tahoe because of their extremely low omissions. The newer ones have come a long way. None of that noise you've grown to hate either.

A lot of you are attacking all people who own jet ski's, and some of you are sneaking in other modes of transportation like motorcycles and quads and attacking them too?

[Edited on 11-6-2007 by BajaWarrior]

DENNIS - 11-5-2007 at 08:12 PM

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Originally posted by BajaWarrior

A lot of you are attacking all people who own jet ski's, and some of you are sneaking in other modes of transportation like motorcycles and quads.

It's too bad that jet skis are judged mostly for the irresponsible behavior that some use them for. They're seen as dangerous just as Pit Bulls are seen as dangerous although most are not. What a shame.

bajadogs - 11-5-2007 at 10:37 PM

Ahhh... I'm camping on a beach with my daughter and someone pulls up with jet skis and a pit bull. I open a 12 ounce bottle of Gandhi and pack up and leave because such a huge percentage of jet skiers give the rest a bad name.
Pit Bulls? I like to relax while on vacation, not worry about my daughter's jugular being torn out.
I opologize to responsible jet skiers - have never met one.

bajadock - 11-6-2007 at 07:20 AM

Anyone else own Exxon stock?