BajaNomad - An email I Received from Diane Gibbs Realty

An email I Received from Diane Gibbs Realty

Gypsy Jan - 1-10-2008 at 06:56 PM

Dear Interested Rosarito Beach Owners and Friends:

We're all painfully aware of our last 90 days of crime events that have occurred in our little City of Rosarito Beach.

All the negative press really is hurting all the local businesses. Today, I attended a meeting with the Guest Speaker, Ron Reposa, the new PR person for Rosarito Beach City Office. He is a gringo guy and has two assistants that are in constant contact with the negative media suppliers and trying to educate them, which is a bit delicate because the "basis of what they are reporting is true, but many times exaggerated". He will be sending out weekly press releases about positive happenings in Rosarito and the progress we're making as a City.

Hugo Torres is scheduled all next week on radio and TV talk shows in San Diego to be proactive and let the public know that he is now in office and the Mayors, Governor and the President of México is on board with aggressive programs and money to get Baja California back on track. Here's his schedule on that: Mr. Hugo Torres, Rosarito Mayor will present at:

Sunday 13 January, Radio Show from Lawyer in Blue Jeans, 860 AM at 8:00 AM

Friday 11 January, NBC. Sometime between 8:00 and 9:00 AM

Wednesday 16 January OR Friday 18, KUSI - Channel 51 Sometime between 8:00 and 9:30 AM (still waiting for confirmation)

The Police that are on the street now have been polygraphed and their guns have been tested to see if any ballistics match up with the bad guys. The Highway Patrol has been authorized to be more present in number and patrol more, the toll road. The green angels are 24/7 now (used to be only daylight hours).

The Mayor has hired a person by the name of Curi. There are 100 of us that are to call him if we see a Police car stop a Gringo. We report the the Police Car number, the location and time and they will make sure it is a legit traffic stop. I will be getting his cell number tomorrow. If you would like to be part of this effort, let me know and we will get you that number too. This will let the police know they (the City) is watching and along with a pay raise to the Police, they will get this cleaned up.

They have dedicated $200,000 (not sure that's ENOUGH!) to landscape and clean up the "Border Road" . They are posting signs with 800 numbers for an Emergency Crisis number for Gringos to call a special office with any problems. The State has committed to have a English speaking person on every shift in all police stations.

There is a Graffiti task force getting organized.

They're talking to the USA on increased border lanes to ease the border waits.

All these things will really impact the local businesses, real estate market, values and sales.

Over the weekend AOL and Yahoo put out a bad article on Rosarito Beach...you probably saw it.

The Board of Tourism has requested that I be one of two Local Realtors to be on their Tourism Real Estate Task Force and I have gladly accepted.

All of this being said, I think we're on the right track. We have a Passionate Mayor who is making lots of noise at the State and National levels in both countries. He has hired lots of people in his City Administration whom are young bi-lingual Mexican people as well as Gringo people in the spots he needs, to get this big job done.

This is just a quick update to let you know issues are being addressed.

Happy New Year !

Best of Blessings,

Diane Gibbs
Realty Executives
Gibbs and Associates
Offices to serve you in these cities:
Playas de Tijuana, Rosarito Beach, Puerto Nuevo, Ensenada, Mexico
http://www.bajamagazine.com/ezine/bajatvrl.html
www.bajatips.com
Vonage 619-819-6859
Fax 1-866-447-0557
Local 661-614-0872

Mailing Address: PO Box 189010 # 107 Coronado, CA 92178
FedEx Address: 1125 Loma #107-125, Coronado, CA 92118

Hook - 1-10-2008 at 07:12 PM

Some of these are really positive steps, I must say.

Congratulations to those who have helped in making these first steps towards reclaiming their community a reality.

Now, we need to start seeing results.

BajaWarrior - 1-10-2008 at 07:21 PM

How about a phone number of an office or agency that can help you out WHILE your being pulled over by a crooked cop!

Al G - 1-10-2008 at 08:03 PM

This sounds good, but as everyone has indicated torres is one of the biggest crook in Baja Norte. How long can one expect this clean up, by a crook, to last until same old, same old?
The second thing is if Diane Gibbs is to have any credibility, she must clearly state what exaggerated stories she is referring to: "basis of what they are reporting is true, but many times exaggerated". This a time honored way of realtors down playing what is kicking their A**.
I will wait to see what she claims is exaggerated...this is simple thing since she has written print to work with.
Edit...Left out that he is a crook allegedly :lol:

[Edited on 1-11-2008 by Al G]

bajabound2005 - 1-10-2008 at 08:15 PM

does she have an email address?

The Gull - 1-10-2008 at 08:25 PM

Look up her real estate office. It is in Puerto Nuevo.

Diane Gibbs

bajaguy - 1-10-2008 at 08:46 PM

Her daughter Julie has an office in Ensenada

Diane Gibbs Realty Email Address

Gypsy Jan - 1-10-2008 at 09:26 PM

GBajareal@aol.com

Hook - 1-10-2008 at 09:29 PM

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Originally posted by BajaWarrior
How about a phone number of an office or agency that can help you out WHILE your being pulled over by a crooked cop!

Well, that sounds like what an 800 Emergency Crisis number would be, staffed by an English speaking person.

BajaWarrior - 1-10-2008 at 09:37 PM

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Originally posted by Hook

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Originally posted by BajaWarrior
How about a phone number of an office or agency that can help you out WHILE your being pulled over by a crooked cop!

Well, that sounds like what an 800 Emergency Crisis number would be, staffed by an English speaking person.

Idealy, a bilingual operator, reached easily while in Baja. Set phone to speaker and let the operator tear the dirty cop a new one!

Hook - 1-10-2008 at 09:41 PM

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Originally posted by Al G
This sounds good, but as everyone has indicated torres is one of the biggest crook in Baja Norte. How long can one expect this clean up, by a crook, to last until same old, same old?
The second thing is if Diane Gibbs is to have any credibility, she must clearly state what exaggerated stories she is referring to: "basis of what they are reporting is true, but many times exaggerated". This a time honored way of realtors down playing what is kicking their A**.
I will wait to see what she claims is exaggerated...this is simple thing since she has written print to work with.
Edit...Left out that he is a crook allegedly :lol:

[Edited on 1-11-2008 by Al G]

Yeah, I am trying to figure out how you can exaggerate a kidnapping of a family and deaths of policemen. :?:

The exaggeration that I see is how the same article on the same incident can bounce around the nation's newpapers for almost two weeks and be picked up again on the internet. It almost seems like it's multiple incidents at times, unless you read the details closely.

bajaguy - 1-10-2008 at 09:50 PM

I am not a rocket scientist nor did I sleep in Holiday Inn, but it seems to me that the "negative press" reporting about the events in Rosarito and TJ are having some effect on someones (Diane Gibbs, perchance) bottom line.

I'm glad to see that someone is feeling the pinch

Al G - 1-10-2008 at 09:54 PM

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Originally posted by Hook

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[Edited on 1-11-2008 by Al G]

Yeah, I am trying to figure out how you can exaggerate a kidnapping of a family and deaths of policemen. :?:

I understand what you are saying, but consider this...most times you get a story from 1 or2 sources...reaches a few people...right.
This is the part that is important...It may be the same story, but it is new to more people...not an exaggeration...

The Gull - 1-10-2008 at 10:17 PM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
I am not a rocket scientist nor did I sleep in Holiday Inn, but it seems to me that the "negative press" reporting about the events in Rosarito and TJ are having some effect on someones (Diane Gibbs, perchance) bottom line.

I'm glad to see that someone is feeling the pinch

AS well as the earnings of hard working resident Mexican Nationals who haven't earned the black eye that all this B.S. reporting has given THEM.

Also, it hits them in the pocket in the worst way. So all you rich gringos can have the "freedom" to keep sensationalising whatever you feel is your "right" to express.

Just remember who you are finally hurting and it is not the Diane Gibbs of the world.

All of you should be ashamed of your words and actions with all this condemnation of a country and a people who have never done anything but welcome you in, even though some of you are now showing why Americans earn the title "ugly".

If Baja is so bad, quit, stay out, don't waste your venomous remarks any longer on those who like the country, get off this forum and go find another country to run down. You can stay busy and happy, as there are so many bad places and you are so smart and perfect for being an ugly American.

Al G - 1-10-2008 at 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by The Gull

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Sorry Gull...We are not running down Baja...only reacting to the nationals that are running down their own country... :mad:

Al G - 1-10-2008 at 10:28 PM

I tell you I am not an ugly American...I feel, I hurt, I care, but damn you I will not be embarrassed. Let me remind you Baja wants me there :mad:

Sallysouth - 1-10-2008 at 10:39 PM

Sorry Al, ya got some bad stuff boiling inside of you.Understand but don't agree.Ok, we know about realators and the hype they feed , but at least she is trying to shed some(albiet sided) info.That took some huevos. Yup, we will see if it all comes to fruition.Geez I sure hope change comes soon.

JZ - 1-10-2008 at 10:42 PM

Wow, that post by Gull is off the chart into left field.

Sensationalizing kipnapping, murder, and corupted police?? I don't think so. They deserve every single bit of bad press they get and a whole lot more.

They need to take charge of their country and bring it into the modern world. And trust me, it is hurting the Diane's of the world big time. And they are in the best position to fix things.

Al G - 1-10-2008 at 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by Sallysouth
Sorry Al, ya got some bad stuff boiling inside of you.Understand but don't agree.Ok, we know about realators and the hype they feed , but at least she is trying to shed some(albiet sided) info.That took some huevos. Yup, we will see if it all comes to fruition.Geez I sure hope change comes soon.

Sally you are wrong...I only have good will for most. I do not do well when people won't face facts. I understand most of you Baja Norte people are trying to calm this down, some happy with corruption...some hoping their property values won't go down, some are afraid, some are tired of hearing it...I know I am. Opportunities do not come along often. Now is the time to raise you voices and help Baja. In the long run it will work miracles for you and Baja...
If I didn't care, I would not be wasting my time...there is a better tomorrow, it is just around the corner, unless you listen to Gull and quit today.

Sallysouth - 1-10-2008 at 11:10 PM

Hey Al, I am not a baja Norte person, but do have an investment in BCS. I am not "listening" to anyone, just observing, and where exacly did you decide that I am "wrong"?? just a bit confused here.

Al G - 1-10-2008 at 11:27 PM

ya got some bad stuff boiling inside of you
There is nothing boiling inside me, except leadership...
I am only trying to keep people like Gull from suppressing the best thing to help Baja climb out of the corruption economy. I have no hard feelings for anyone except criminals.

Bajabus - 1-10-2008 at 11:35 PM

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Originally posted by JZ
Wow, that post by Gull is off the chart into left field.

Sensationalizing kipnapping, murder, and corupted police?? I don't think so. They deserve every single bit of bad press they get and a whole lot more.

They need to take charge of their country and bring it into the modern world. And trust me, it is hurting the Diane's of the world big time. And they are in the best position to fix things.

Pretty much says it all...........

Bajafun777 - 1-11-2008 at 12:11 AM

Danger and Fear keeps people from getting involved in correcting this bad situation in Baja border area. We need not think that business owners can change this situation nor should they be held to do so, as these animals involved in these crimes would just go after them and blow-up their businesses. If these low life criminals have the "No Fear Attitude" and go after police and even army officers, not just at their work areas but in their own homes, nothing is safe. Mexico has to get special law enforcement/military ops to hunt them down and rid the world of these low life killers. Seek and destroy is the only thing left to deal with low life criminals that have no care, feelings for those they are subjecting to torture and then killing them in horrible ways. These type of things make people mad, especially Americans that expect to have communities capable of having safe areas for its people. Keep the focus on the real pieces of chit that are causing this shame and pain to Baja. Mexico's President has the right idea in cutting no quarter and seeks to destroy this cancer in his country. Later------------------------------- bajafun777

Skeet/Loreto - 1-11-2008 at 07:29 AM

Americans going to Baja Norte and then trying to Change it to their "Way of Life" has failed in many other Places.

It is the People of Baja Norte who will bring about Change! As they have been doing for many years,
It would Appear that it is starting to Happen, If the words of the Media has any truth whatsoever on its Pages.

Skeet/Loreto

805gregg - 1-11-2008 at 08:06 AM

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Originally posted by BajaWarrior
How about a phone number of an office or agency that can help you out WHILE your being pulled over by a crooked cop!

Who would respond?

805gregg - 1-11-2008 at 08:07 AM

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She's just trying to drum up business.

gnukid - 1-11-2008 at 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Americans going to Baja Norte and then trying to Change it to their "Way of Life" has failed in many other Places.

It is the People of Baja Norte who will bring about Change! As they have been doing for many years,
It would Appear that it is starting to Happen, If the words of the Media has any truth whatsoever on its Pages.

Skeet/Loreto

Baja and California have forever been intertwined, connected by culture, families, economy and interdependent interests. It is false to suggest that the people who live and visit here, where ever they are from are not part of its' problems and solutions.

Fact: Shootouts between military and drug safe houses included multiracial multinational combatants.

Fact: Victims of crime include multiracial multinational background.

Fact: Baja has forever been multiracial and multinational.

Divisive speech and blaming one nationality over another for problems and solutions is wrong, has no place here, and is offensive to all.

The Gull - 1-11-2008 at 09:15 AM

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Originally posted by JZ
They need to take charge of their country and bring it into the modern world. And trust me, it is hurting the Diane's of the world big time. And they are in the best position to fix things.

Things need fixing everywhere in the world.

Do you mean bring Baja into the modern world like Southern California, where murders stack up daily? Get a grip on some reality.

Of course 'Bus would agrees with overheated condemnation of Baja. There is a lot of American righteousness boiling over in those pots.

If given a choice, I don't think the people of Baja really would want you there, Al. If it helps you think you are wanted in some part of the world, continue in your beliefs.

Attacking Sally for her opinions? Par for the course for some.

Skeet and Bajafun, I agree with you.

Once again, the ones who get hurt the most are the poorest and least able to respond - the increasing number of unemployed local citizens. I guess that gives some a measure of pride.

CaboRon - 1-11-2008 at 09:45 AM

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Well stated JZ.

CaboRon

fdt - 1-11-2008 at 12:36 PM

Hugo Torres was just on KNSD 7/39 for about 1 minute, talked about lobster, real estate, museums, spring break. Reporter only slightly touched the controversy on safety and Torres said it is safe and things are going to change. Some images were shown, of course the pier, a beach shot and a sculpture.

[Edited on 1-11-2008 by fdt]

Hook - 1-11-2008 at 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by fdt
Hugo Torres was just on KNSD 7/39 for about 1 minute, talked about lobster, real estate, museums, spring break. Reporter only slightly touched the controversy on safety and Torres said it is safe and things are going to change. Some images were shown, of course the pier, a beach shot and a sculpture.

[Edited on 1-11-2008 by fdt]

That's unfortunate that he and the reporter white-washed the situation.

Like anyone in SD doesnt already know about lobsters, beaches and RE in the area............ :rolleyes:

It's safe AND things are going to change? Which is it?

JZ - 1-11-2008 at 12:56 PM

Rosarito was getting some bad press on KNX1070 in LA yesterday. That's reaching millions of people in SoCal.

The Gull - 1-11-2008 at 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by JZ
Rosarito was getting some bad press on KNX1070 in LA yesterday. That's reaching millions of people in SoCal.

Must have made you proud to be an American when you heard it.

JZ - 1-11-2008 at 03:05 PM

It didn't make me proud to be an American, but I was glad to hear it. Maybe it's too late for your place, but just maybe other business people and the govt. in other locations will take note and get a handle on things BEFORE they spiral out of control.

We've been saying for years Rosarito was crap, way before it hit rock bottom. I would have moved out a long time ago. This is good reminder to us all to watch closely the goings on of your local govt. and police.

[Edited on 1-12-2008 by JZ]

kimberlee - 1-11-2008 at 03:25 PM

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Originally posted by Al G

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maybe Al you're hurting su hija's business down there, has El Fuerte opened a real estate office yet?

this "bad press" will hurt at first, but its best in the long run to rectify the situation

marla - 1-11-2008 at 03:51 PM

No one is saying that living in Southern California is crime free. But...There's a big difference between a murder committed by a single criminal, most of which revolve around family or intimate relationships, and a murder that is organized and planned by groups that are either the actual police, have been historically protected by the police, or lead people to believe they are the police when they pull them over. That means the rule of law in a region has dissolved and no one is safe or trustworthy. When commando squads feel they can take out entire police stations without fear of reprisal, and have succeeded in assassinating police, that is a breakdown of the rule of law. Especially when they are not caught and tried. Many years ago, I was mugged in Ensenada. I was stupidly walking back to my hotel in the dark after the disco closed. I still remember how useless and rude the cops were. But I don't put that in the same category of being pulled over by someone you think is the police, and then terrorized, while on a supposedly fun vacation. That is what is scaring people and keeping them away. It does not mean people are down on Mexico. They just want to feel safe. Also, fyi, when an Associated Press story like that goes out on the wire, it will get picked up by a lot of newspapers that can run it, but they choose how and when they will run it. So you might still find it popping up in various papers. I have done stories including one on visting Rosarito that didn't run for months afterward and suddenly appeared in a paper somewhere.

The Sculpin - 1-11-2008 at 04:01 PM

This whole thing reminds me of that scene in the Godfather where Michael is in Cuba getting a tour of the local scenery and suddenly decides not to invest with Moe Green.
The realtor lady only wants to preserve her and her clients way of life. Torres wants to do the same with his constituency. Nobody really cares about the working stiff. It's all about real estate. Gringo's can't do $#!t about it. Realtor lady is only getting involved becuase she's allowed to. If she crosses the line, her FMT will be challenged. Skeet's right (gawd I hate saying that!) again...the locals have to lead the charge.

More lanes at the border....that's a hoot!!

Skeet/Loreto - 1-11-2008 at 07:40 PM

gnu Kid:
Your FACTS are All completely WRONG.
You should not post that kind of Misinformation when you know there are some Ole Geezers on this Board who know the Actual Truth and Facts.

I suggest that you take a Trip to Baja Sur, La Paz, Constitution, Loreto , and Learn the Facts.

Question: Gndu> Do you know the Date When the Very First Chinese Man was Naturalized in Baja??, His Mane and Location???

Excluding TJ- How many Blacks reside in Baja???

I am sure if you look in the "Right Place"-{Not Berkerley} you might find some very interesting Information, then Check with an Ole Timer who knows the Facts of History which have been Changed many times by the so-called College Professors.

I will await your FACTUAL Answer with Abaited BReath>

38 Years in Baja .

Skeet/Loreto

gnukid - 1-11-2008 at 07:43 PM

aha

fdt - 1-11-2008 at 10:16 PM

When Hugo Torres was on TV this morning he didn't know that the entire police force of Rosarito was about to loose their weapons license permanently. :wow:

fdt - 1-11-2008 at 10:21 PM

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Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
The Police that are on the street now have been polygraphed and their guns have been tested to see if any ballistics match up with the bad guys.

Well, the results are in, all guilty according to this note;

http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Noticias/11012...

Hook - 1-11-2008 at 11:54 PM

Ferna, you mean that the % of cops implicated in the ballistics tests were so high that they pulled the permits on the entire force?

Al G - 1-12-2008 at 12:00 AM

I am not going to say I told you so....yet :lol:

CaboRon - 1-12-2008 at 09:13 AM

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Originally posted by Hook
Ferna, you mean that the % of cops implicated in the ballistics tests were so high that they pulled the permits on the entire force?

If this is true.... it would not be surprising.

CaboRon

The Gull - 1-12-2008 at 09:29 AM

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Originally posted by Al G
I am not going to say I told you so....yet :lol:

Sallysouth is right about the bad stuff boiling in your pot. That anyone chooses to laugh and act smugly about this whole situation, does speak volumes about being ugly.

Al G - 1-12-2008 at 09:50 AM

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Originally posted by The Gull

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Originally posted by Al G
I am not going to say I told you so....yet :lol:

Sallysouth is right about the bad stuff boiling in your pot. That anyone chooses to laugh and act smugly about this whole situation, does speak volumes about being ugly.

Yeah gull grab on to anything that will make you feel better...twist it all you want to...you are the one with the problem. Yes the cops a laughable...they are the biggest joke in Baja and I am worried about you...you are starting to sound very frustrated. You should leave Sally out of this. My pot as you say, is very happy...the scumbags have been identified...things may get better. I wonder what is bad, boiling in side you that you cannot see/say something good about that. Let us stop fighting over this...Baja is winning, that has got to make you feel better amigo.

The Gull - 1-12-2008 at 09:57 AM

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Originally posted by Hook
Ferna, you mean that the % of cops implicated in the ballistics tests were so high that they pulled the permits on the entire force?

Hook, the story didn't give any linkage as to any particular event led to the removal except that these cops are able to assist the drug people.

Staying with The Sculpin's movie recollection theme in his post, the movie "Traffic" with Michael Douglas and many others bigtime stars comes to mind. Douglas as the HLS leader of the US is fighting drugs crossing the border at TJ and ends up rescuing his daughter from drug use in middle America.

So CaboRon, JZ and others...where are the drugs really going? Into the bodies of local Baja citizens whose misery index is rising everyday through more unemployment or into the average American youth (perhaps even older) who are individually more affluent than an entire family unit in Baja?

Have you heard of meth labs in less populated areas of So. Cal and marijuana growing houses in Irvine and other affluent neighborhoods? They only supplement the bigger demand.

Do you think the drug cartel leaders whose photos are posted at the border are being posted by the US government because the American government wants to help Mexico with a Mexico-only problem?

I'm not suggesting that anyone in the current crime situation in Baja is in any way blameless, but facts require all of us to acknowledge where the buying power for the drugs resides and how the flow of those products affect everyone along the chain.

Also, I am not naive to say, stop the demand and the problems will all be gone. It isn't easy to do that and it would only be an 80% solution, but it is a start.

While many of these posts have dealt with what Baja should do to clean up THEIR problem, perhaps there is that nagging situation in American homes with drug use and if we focus on Baja, we don't have to do anything about what is going on at home.

Sermon over, return to your normal delusions.

[Edited on 1-12-2008 by The Gull]

howat - 1-18-2008 at 11:39 AM

The only way i can protest that I'm not happy about the events in Baja Norte is to not spend any of my $ there. Nothing else i can say or do will matter. I am truely sorry these actions by me and others will cause economic hardship to the innocent locals but our families safety comes 1st.

Therefore, I'm going to Morrow Bay area this year instead of baja. I've been meaning to visit the many wonderful places in CA & Oregon for years and now I have a good reason to. Hope the new mexican administration can clean it up enough in the next few years so i can feel safe for family to return.

HH

Skeet/Loreto - 1-18-2008 at 12:37 PM

The Gull: Excellent and Truthful Words!!

howat: It will take more thana a Few years to Clean up TJ and Rosarita!
Just as it will take years for the Drug Culture and the resulting Crime events to be Stopped.

As most know in 1994 Calif and Texas started a Crackdown on Crime especially Drugs. Result; Prisons are Full in Both States!!!

I surely donot know the Answer but it must start with the Parents, they must be able to grow up and be Educated in a different way than the Present/

It may take another 911, Riots in our Streets with Protesters Shot and Killed,such as Kent State, Military doing Law Enforcement, Vigilante Groups, and other Measures,

Baja was a good place to live for many years just as Los Angeles was a Good Place to Live. Times Change sometmes to the Negative.

Who, I ask, Who will make a Stand strong enough to Solve the Drug Problem??
The Internet
The TV
The IPODS

Maybe that our people will finally get Fed Up and take to the Streets.

Skeet/Loreto

DENNIS - 1-18-2008 at 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto

Maybe that our people will finally get Fed Up and take to the Streets.

Skeet/Loreto

Arm everybody and there won't be a problem.It's to the point now that we, as expats, have to consider our protection. We can't rely on the police to do that and the war is on, being brought to us.
Tijuana is Iraq or Afghanistan in her problem. They have ignored it too long. It's cancer in it's most violent, aggresive stage.
Mexico gave life to the cartels for a need of money. It would have worked for the country if their needs had been addressed and controlled.
The rest is current news.

Skeet/Loreto - 1-18-2008 at 05:07 PM

Dennis: Well Said.

The United States gave Life to the Cartels by The Demand for Drugs'
Cause and effect.

In 1967 when I arrived in Loreto Baja Sur and for the next 20 years there was very little Crime. Dancing in the Plaza,very few Schools,very few People. very little Drugs if any- Sniffing Glue by two people I knew.
After the Road opened, more people arrived, TV, and then the Internet there was a Great Change.
A young Friend of mine started growing his own DOPE, then a little Later he started selling DOPE. Ended up serving 3 Years for Selling a Pound on the Streets of Loreto.
Girls Clothing became Scimpy, they stopped wearing a cover at Church etc.

The same thing was happening in the States. The "If it feels Good Just Do it" Crowd was gaining Social Acceptance. Drugs and Nudity, Lack of Respect, Mores were changing as Social Enginerring came into being.

What can a Govt. do When a good Number of its People are Happy with that "Way of Life"".?

I do suspect that there will be Armed Conflicts in the States as in Mexico, otherwise "Why are so many trying to Change the Constitution that gave us the Right to Arm ourselves for Protection??

Skeet/Loreto

Armed and Ready

MrBillM - 1-18-2008 at 05:21 PM

I'm willing to bet that, depending on the results of the coming election, there could once more be a round of record-breaking gun purchases to equal the early Clinton years given the fact that a number of the candidates are staunchly anti-gun.

Speaking of which, I realized that worries over the "Gun-Grabbers" had gone mainstream back in 1994 when one of the most mainstream Gun magazines, Guns and Ammo, published an article on Long-Term underground storage for weapons and ammunition.

Clinton Redux ?

The Sculpin - 1-18-2008 at 05:37 PM

As a long standing liberal gun grabber and one who believes that most people are basically incapable of handling a firearm correctly (I own 2 rifles and 3 handguns), I really don't think we have much to worry about when it comes to ridding our society of guns. It's kinda like ridding our society of illegal immigrants. The solution sounds real simple but once you think about it, you don't know where to start. Folks, it ain't gonna happen.

As a side note, I find it hilarious when someone responds to the situation in TJ yesterday by saying "but aren't guns illegal in Mexico?" as if that in some way justifies arming every single mexican to the hilt! In an attempt to hijack this thread, what do you think TJ would look like if there were as many guns there as in, say, New York, Chicago, or LA?

I'm at El Gordo's, and I order 2 luenga's, a cabeza and an al pastor. I reach over to get some onions, some guac,and a lime and, CRAP! I spilt some lime juice on the barrel of my S&W 9mm - AGAIN!!!! Now I have tacos in hand, spilling over onto my napkin, and some creepy looking car rolls by full of viscious stares......suddenly, they notice my predicament, see my rather unsightly barrell replete with taco fillings, and burst into laughter.......whew...that was close......another day in TJ......

The Gull - 1-18-2008 at 07:26 PM

Typical American illness - Stupid Bravado.

If there is a drug problem in the US that creates the demand for lawless behavior in Baja by Cartels, then the real problem is that the Mexicans aren't armed.

What a brilliant assertion!!!!!

I repeat...all you ugly Americans who have all these simple, clear solutions for our neighbors to the south...you really must be proud by your words and actions.

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gibson - 1-18-2008 at 07:45 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Arm everybody and there won't be a problem..

hahahahaahahahaa meds remember?? meds sir!

gibson - 1-18-2008 at 07:46 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Girls Clothing became Scimpy, they stopped wearing a cover at Church etc.

yikes!! gonna make the trip to mecca next year?

Skeet/Loreto - 1-19-2008 at 04:15 PM

The Gull:

The Texans are doing a good Job!
Go to amarillonline.com and read about the amount of Drugs caught within a few miles of Amarillo!
Wonder if that DOPE form Calif. was grown in the Cotton Fields of the Central Valley???
Seems as if it has become a Daily "Bust" for the Troopers.

Guns of over 18 Cal. are Illegal for Citizens to have in Baja.
Or has that changed lately??

Skeet/Loreto