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JESSE - 2-18-2008 at 11:32 PM

The moderators are getting a little picky with some people and letting others post what ever they want? i been a member since the amigo board in the late 1990's and i have never seen this or the late amigos board so picky about stuff posted. Is this the reason many old timers who posted valuable info don't bother to post here anymore?

longlegsinlapaz - 2-19-2008 at 07:10 AM

Jesse, I imagine that it's a combination of the Moderators doing their jobs based on attempting to enforce the clearly stated 'Board Rules'....AND....people who are offended by language or content either sending a U2U to Doug or Hose A or simply hitting the report button. I sincerely doubt that Doug and/or Hose A has the time to monitor every single post made on every single thread on their own 24-hours a day, so I'm guessing that they depend heavily on input from other members. I have occasionally read posts that I personally felt SHOULD have been edited or deleted but weren't...I'd also guess that there are "habitual offenders" whose posts might be monitored more than others, but that's merely a guess on my part.

I've only been on here about 2 years, but I've also noticed a distinct change in the "flavor" of posts, and I honestly believe that many of the "old timers" as you referred to them got disgusted & left because of a lack of posts being edited....rather than the fact that they are occasionally edited. But this is all supposition on my part, maybe Doug and/or Hose A will chime in.

I know there's a huge hunk of the membership here who deplore edits of any kind based on the right of free speech & self policing/monitoring, but I don't agree with them (because I don't believe that works), just as they don't agree with my thoughts on the subject. We all have a right to our own opinion, so please don't blast me for having offered up my thoughts in response to Jesse's post! :tumble:

Skeet/Loreto - 2-19-2008 at 08:40 AM

Jesse;

I too feel that the the Board has changed in the past years. Maybe that it is a reflection of the change of so many Posters who have never been to Baja?
Lack of knowledge and Esperience? Bored with their Life, needing Attention, Etc.

When I see an obivious Post that is totally False, I would like to give imput about the FACTS, but many seem to base their judgements on thinking that it is a Religious matter.
Seems to reflect the Current Mood of some of our Young Citizens, as if they are Afraid of something.

Putting People Down, Name Calling, Snide remarks about those that you disagree seems to reflect the "Ignorance" of those Posters.

I have even started looking for other Websites such as "The Amigos Board" which seems to be a Copy of this Board.

Just remember that Words or Just Words, people actions are the final Judgement.

Skeet/Loreto

shari - 2-19-2008 at 09:01 AM

What I find interesting and tragic is that most of the folks who visit us admit to being lurkers on Nomads. They all express the same sentiments that they would like to post but don't for fear of being hassled, insulted, mocked etc. These nice people may have something interesting to add to this board, good information or opinions and we don't hear from them because of a small minority of posters who's main contributions are insults or mudd slinging....too bad...I try to convice folks to post in attempt to improve the quality and tone of this board... We ARE the board and the board is US so we should theoretically be able to improve the climate here. Although I am all for free speech, I am grateful to the moderators for taking the time to try to make this board better.

David K - 2-19-2008 at 09:29 AM

Jesse, it is because not enough of the hate and insults was being removed... If it would be a place to read or share about Baja trips and experiences without the personal insults, then more folks would contribute instead of just 'lurk' here.

Doug does not like to remove anything and would hope that Nomads could show enough maturity to not need anyone to babysit... However, Nomad has grown soooo big, it is quite a task... So he and Hose A would appreciate it if you saw a violation of a board rule (such as foul language, personal insults, etc.) that you hit the report button.

I opersonally believe it is that Doug allowed so much bad stuff to continue that many of the 'old timers' simply didn't need to wade through the fighting anymore. Perhaps now, with Hose A and the rest of us who want to continue to learn and share more here, it will be a happy place again.

There is far more good than bad, and I think if you look at the Nomad get-togethers, like the Matomi caravan or Viva Baja Cactus or Ferna's Dia de los Reyes you can see that is true.

I encourage lurkers to share their trips or questions, and realize there are some who want to spoil the fun or rain on your parade... it happens to me a lot, and you just have to move on and not let the few spoil it for the many!

Acuity - 2-19-2008 at 10:04 AM

I have noticed, recently, a change in the nature of some of the discussions here that I find troubling. Many of the discussions that generate the most views and postings seem to become a vehicle for personal accusations and innuendos that do not, in my view, add value nor encourage others to share their valuable experiences. It is a great pity, as the board has been a great source of information and pictures that I, for one, have found very useful.

Perhaps it is too much to ask that everyone acts like an adult?

baja-spirit - 2-19-2008 at 10:18 AM

I think David K and Shari hit the nail on the head. There is more good than bad. I am a newbie and some of the postings I have read makes me feel that some of the people posting their remarks, either have never been to Baja or never see the good side of things. I love reading the experiences of other travelers to Baja. The pictures they post are fanastic and I really enjoy them. We love our experiences and our travels all around. We have been going to Baja since 1986 and will continue to go until we are just too old. When I start to read negative remarks, I just back out. No ones going to rain on my parade. There's good and bad everywhere. Any bad experience we just chalk it up to a lesson learned. We have never had anything really very bad(things stolen), but I have had that here when I am gone to Baja. So I will continue enjoying the good here.... Thanks Nomads!!

toneart - 2-19-2008 at 10:39 AM

This is a problem that is also found outside the BajaNomad. The board merely reflects the changing of our culture which has turned decidedly abusive and rude in recent times.

We need to get a couple of things clear here: Whereas I am liberal and do not like to see censorship, The BajaNomad is a privately established entity with a set of rules that the owner and moderators have every right to enforce. It is their vision and that vision attempts to reflect the greater mores of a predominately civil society. On the other hand, there are classless individuals who are bullies and cannot find any other way to express their inadequacies, other than to be rude, crude and belittle others. When they attack me, I will deal with it.....or not. I prefer they not be censored but if they are, that is OK with me.

Most Nomads are good people who love to exchange Baja experiences and knowledge. Their help is given generously and warmly welcomed. Those who would like to attack and offend would never be welcomed to my house nor join me for dinner in a nice restaurant. Their surly spirit of exclusion only serves to get them excluded. :yes:

Why would I want to share any time with such bores? :?:

Context

Sharksbaja - 2-19-2008 at 12:56 PM

It certainly can be frustrating to try to make a point only to have your comment taking out of context. It happens all the time and it's an easy slope to tumble down. People can get all worked up for nothing.
It really irks me when an excerpt of a comment is sliced and diced and spread out in attempt to embarrass or disqualify the poster.

Mostly tho from what I see is a conflict of writing style and comprehension. How many times do you feel that "they" or "he" or "she" missed the point.
Case in point: I made a post a while back. It contained a pic of a Jesus Christ statue. The thread was immediately hijacked for some unknown reason and lost value and the interest it was supposed to generate. Someone made the comment that the only reason it got so many views was because of the hijack. That was nice. Later I was trying to be witty by exclaiming "Jesus is dead".
Now, can you understand WHY I said that? The comment wasn't intended to be directed at religion, it was to infer that my thread (Jesus}was dead. Could it be resurrected? Hardly.
Not always easy to explain a simple statement. That's why these days I try to keep it real simple. Nobody likes to be taken out of context.

Shari, I know what you mean about lurkers. You need a thick skin here.

Tony, this board has had rudeness, bullying and abuse from day one.

Jack Swords - 2-19-2008 at 01:59 PM

Jesse: had a great meal at Tres Virgines last Sunday with 15 friends. Sorry we missed you.

Relative to the direction the board has taken, I'm interested in Baja, period. Too few postings are about Baja and many of those slip into a thread unrecognizable as relating to Baja. As an "oldtimer" from the Amigos days, I have carefully refrained from posts that have little to do with what I perceive as the intent of this forum. Opinions, reviews, travel logs about Baja are of interest to someone. Name calling, personal attacks, etc. are not. The other day I referred an acquaintance to this board for information. His response the next day was he preferred to avoid that type of contact. Why not a board about Baja with all its diversity? There is plenty of that. Some folks seem to lurk and wait to stir up things. It appears that is the intended result, not acquiring or sharing information and experiences about Baja.

I'm in Baja now and have no desire to engage anyone in conflict. That is not what it is about to me. Other sites seem to still be rather civil and therefore informative. Sadly I think my participation in this forum is over.

comitan - 2-19-2008 at 02:10 PM

This is a Baja forum and I personally do not see why we have an Off Topic, because I think some of that trash carries over to here. Please do away with the Off Topic. Some of you will try to defend the Off Topic but keep just one thing in Mind it is not Baja.

Cypress - 2-19-2008 at 02:26 PM

Seems to me that the good stuff; advice, info etc. , is given a green light. :spingrin:

The negativity and name calling gets sent to wherever stuff like that generally winds up.

David K - 2-19-2008 at 03:26 PM

There is an off topic board here because Doug does not want to censor free speech... regardless if this is a private property issue or not. Because some Nomads have more than just Baja to share, the off topic forum is the 'litter box' for all of that stuff.

If it is not about Baja or Baja Nomads, then it goes to off topic... and nobody needs to see it or look there to see the rest of the Baja forums. Just click on 'Today's Posts' at the top of the page and see all the Baja posts, and no off topic posts.

Jack, this is the most active Baja forum on the 'net... and your contributions are greatly appreciated. Please don't disappear... Your photos on the missions or other historic sites are very valuable to historic research or interest in old California.

Jack's photos can be seen on the following two web sites:

http://vivabaja.com/bajamissions

http://vivabaja.com/swords

Natalie Ann - 2-19-2008 at 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JESSE
The moderators are getting a little picky with some people and letting others post what ever they want? i been a member since the amigo board in the late 1990's and i have never seen this or the late amigos board so picky about stuff posted. Is this the reason many old timers who posted valuable info don't bother to post here anymore?

I do not think that the moderators discriminate against some folks and favor others. The view from here is that edits/deletes by moderators are mostly of name-calling and unpleasantness that has no place here. If you have had a post edited or deleted lately, perhaps it would be good to consider what might have been the moderators' reason(s) for doing so.

Besides the fact that the board does have rules to guide our behavior here, awhile back it also added a Teen column and invited under-age people to read and contribute. When we all agreed that inviting teens was a good idea, we also agreed to police our own behavior.

When we do not police our own behavior and begin name-calling or making insulting remarks, there seem to be other members willing to hit the report button in order to bring our behavior to the attention of the Super Moderators Doug and Hose A. I assume they know the forum rules by heart.... and if the reported post does not comply - poof! into the ether.

It is easy to hark back to the days of the old Amigos board.... I enjoyed it along with the rest of us 'oldies'. But the board folded suddenly for a reason, and my understanding is that at least part of that reason was that it just took too much time to ride herd on everyone and everything, as well as to keep the site functioning properly.

Doug and Gene/Hose A are doing a marvelous job here.... and I for one would like to offer my thanks to them.

Besides, it's bad form to eat at a restaurant and criticize the owner for doing his job.

Nena

JESSE - 2-19-2008 at 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jack Swords
Sadly I think my participation in this forum is over.

Mine as well Jack, its been a good 5 years but this is no fun anymore, take care everybody.

David K - 2-19-2008 at 04:10 PM

Jesse, what is it you want for fun???

You think free wheeling personal attacks and chasing away mature people is good? I am confused as to what you hope to have happen here.

Has Baja Nomad not been benificial to your needs for Baja info., friends, business??? Take a break from posting if something is bugging you, but there's no reason to run away, okay amigo?

Remember when we met? It was because of Nomads like BajaCactus, jrbaja, Baja Noamd, Baja Bernie, and I ... Here you are that day talking with Bernie as Doug (Baja Nomad) listens...

[Edited on 2-19-2008 by David K]

The Sculpin - 2-19-2008 at 04:10 PM

Yawn..streeeeeeeeetch,nyup, nyup, scatch, scratch....

This is the same thing that "we" were all talking about prior to the Amigos being shut down, except then it was a discussion aimed squarely at the BBB'rs hijacking of the entire website (stir hornets nest now)! Face it, people move on and get interested in different things. Sometimes they need to justify it by saying "it's not like it used to be", or some such nonsense. Then they come back. Look, we're heading into a recession, a leadership change in the US, and the possibility of a modest reversal in the movement of itinerant labor, as well as growing pains in the current Mexican administration and the anarchy in the drug business. This will all have an effect on travel in Baja. So if you're going to leave, give it 6 months or so, and you'll see that most of the riff raff on this board will have moved on.

Besides, I would never want to be part of a club that would accept me as a member!

DENNIS - 2-19-2008 at 04:18 PM

I'm sure that some/most of you consider me to be a major offender. I am, if what you want is a forum that dwells on a Baja, the tranquil land of past memory. Unfortunatly, Baja has changed. It offers much more than great fishing, quiet camping, cultural interchange and fish tacos. Crime, corruption and death have been added to the landscape. Politics have become more cross-cultural and middle class wealth is creeping up to standards with which we are familiar.
These new characteristics demand discussion and they are hot topics. They can't be ignored.
Of course there are times when scat slinging carries the tone. I'm guilty of that as well but, don't have to tell you how much I sometimes get a kick out of it.
This board needs all of it. It needs to be well-rounded, representing everything Baja. Not just the campfire songs.
Tune it out if if doesn't fit your interests. Everybody should know how to do that. Do you step into a crowded bus and try to listen to every conversation? No, you don't. You tune them out.

Anyway, nothing stays the same. We don't either. We have to make adjustments.

David K - 2-19-2008 at 04:22 PM

It wasn't anything to do with M's BBBB events, I spoke with Earle and Eric in person more than once... They enjoyed the events that came about from Amigos meeting and actually becomming real-life amigos! Eric and Trish told me it was the dreamed of result of their efforts.

Here is a photo at BBBB-1 and you can see Earle and Eric, along with Paulina and Mike Humfreville... Earle is even a Nomad... There was other reasons for retiring the Amigos de Baja board.

You have free choice to read posts or not, to contribute or not, to meet in person or not... Because there were posts about BBBB or Viva Baja or whatever, that didn't prevent you from posting what you want or reading something else... there are no limits to how many threads are added here or on Amigos, back then.

If you don't like something, then don't read it... I don't understand the need to announce that you don't like something so you're leaving, unless it is to affect a change... That's why I asked Jesse what is it he wants.

[Edited on 2-19-2008 by David K]

DENNIS - 2-19-2008 at 04:25 PM

Jesse......

C'mon back. You're supposed to be tougher than those steaks you sell. Nobody here can yell at me like you can and this place will be at a loss if you quit.

manzanas podridas

BFS - 2-19-2008 at 05:08 PM

Hola,
Man this board is awesome!
Where else can you learn how to stain your cracked cement patio, rent a house for the weekend, find out which tire is best for hitting the road, find a secret surf spot, laugh at someone who wears a banana hammock and actually thinks its cool, learn a killer croaker stew recipe, ogle at some seriously good landscape photography, buy wicked books, learn about great restaurants in every nook and cranny of the peninsula and later astonish your friends with your "insider knowledge", feel the green monster within as you realize some get to explore from the air!!, have a package delivered to your door from 1000 miles away for the price of a Pacifico (ok a Ballena!), get directions to a pristine swimming hole in the middle of the desert, learn about cement :wow:

, watch in nervous wonder as some go for their dreams... and make it happen!, fishing holes,road conditions, hurricanes, paleterias, tacos, chelas, you guys rock!!! Thank you so much for all the help.

Aq

Hook - 2-19-2008 at 05:55 PM

I think Forrest Gump's mom probably said it best.

Still, I wouldnt mind reading what the actual owner and the moderator think about this instead of someone speaking for them..............AGAIN !!!!!!! David, why do you do this? Why do you always feel the need to answer questions that are best left answered by the persons responsible?

I actually think it's gotten MORE civil over the last couple months. It seems to follow a pattern: when it's the off season for travel in Baja, it's in-season for bickering.

Of course, the OFF-Topic board has it's own seasoning.................

However, I do feel a great affinity for many on this board, in terms of interests and goals and life experiences, etc. With so many commonalities, I think it would be valuable to be able to share other portions of my life with people on this board that arent related to Baja or Mexico. An off-topic board would be a good avenue for this but, well, you see how that's gone. I will occasionally post something that is not political over there.............but it never gets any interest.

I either need to get a more interesting life or find some other similar sites...........but I doubt I'll find one as good with the West Coat angle this one has.

Life is like a box of chocolates. You gonna stop eating chocolates, just cause you got the gross cherry with the cream squirt at the end????

And in case Hook is your "cherry with the squirt" on this board.....apologies.

And in case you actually LIKE the cherries with the squirt, well, there's no hope for you. :lol:

DENNIS - 2-19-2008 at 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hook
I will occasionally post something that is not political over there.............but it never gets any interest.

Nothing holds long term interest in OT. It's a place for drive-bys. I think of it as a kind of mental bowel elimination. Hopefully it doesn't last long and when you're done, you're done.

fishbuck - 2-19-2008 at 06:26 PM

This must be somewhat common on message boards. I belong to another and several people have made public "dumping of the board" posts because they didn't like this person or that thread.
Well its a free world(mostly) so people can do what ever they want. Some will join and some will leave and that is what makes the world go round.
I've made a few friends here and others I enjoy there posts. Some I could care less about.
For the most part I've gained much more than whatever perceived losses I might have suffered(none).
So if you feel it necessary to move on don't let the keyboard hit you in the a$$ on your way out of the internet. It doesn't really matter if you leave. Someone will be along shortly to take your place. (not you JESSE! I like your posts and the connection to La Paz).
And for lurkers who have had the courage to go all the way to places like B. Asunsion but won't post because they're afraid of getting their feelings hurt... GROW A PAIR!!!
Nothing on here can really hurt you.
And Dennis you better not quit!

DENNIS - 2-19-2008 at 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fishbuck
Dennis you better not quit!

No, Fish...I'm in it for the long haul. I live alone and don't have a life.
How have you been?

fishbuck - 2-19-2008 at 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS

Quote:

Originally posted by fishbuck
Dennis you better not quit!

No, Fish...I'm in it for the long haul. I live alone and don't have a life.
How have you been?

Ha, Ha... I know what you mean!
I'm fine, thanks for asking. :)

David K - 2-19-2008 at 06:56 PM

Hook, because I know...

longlegsinlapaz - 2-19-2008 at 06:59 PM

Hose A DOES have a sense of humor!!! :lol:

vandenberg - 2-19-2008 at 06:59 PM

Hose,
I don't think there is anyone on this board nasty enough to chase Dennis off.

But, if you want me to, I give it a shot. :biggrin:

DENNIS - 2-19-2008 at 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hose A
What a relief.
At my age job security is important. :saint:

Glad to help, Gene. Let me know when you want some overtime.

gringorio - 2-19-2008 at 09:09 PM

Although I post in the other forums my favorites are to read the trip reports and to share and see others' photos in the photo gallery - this is where I most often find real Baja experiences that I enjoy most ... :bounce:

greg

I recently posted this photo on Mia's BOLA message board - ahhhh Baja:

[Edited on 2-20-2008 by gringorio]

Good vs bad

standingwave - 2-19-2008 at 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by aqbluegreen
Hola,
Man this board is awesome!
Where else can you learn how to stain your cracked cement patio, rent a house for the weekend, find out which tire is best for hitting the road, find a secret surf spot, laugh at someone who wears a banana hammock and actually thinks its cool, learn a killer croaker stew recipe, ogle at some seriously good landscape photography, buy wicked books, learn about great restaurants in every nook and cranny of the peninsula and later astonish your friends with your "insider knowledge", feel the green monster within as you realize some get to explore from the air!!, have a package delivered to your door from 1000 miles away for the price of a Pacifico (ok a Ballena!), get directions to a pristine swimming hole in the middle of the desert, learn about cement :wow:

As a newcomer to this board I say that the good outweighs the bad. For the good Aq states the case well (though I have no clue at the moment what the green monster is :?:

) (on second thought as I write - envy - must be envy - how true if that's what Aq means - I felt a little last night as I looked at E.S.Gardner's little helicopter). The bad? There doesn't seem to be much of it. I notice a few blank spaces here and there which I suppose are deleted posts. What remains is often funny.
Its harder when posting to have a balanced give and take because there aren't the visual clues to help tell how a comment is made - in jest or to wound. The smilies help a lot and a basic assumption that its all in fun does too.

Personally, as a new arrival, I am sad to see some of the "elders" preparing to leave. Makes me think I came in at the end of the "golden age"

Osprey - 2-20-2008 at 07:38 AM

We will miss all you grumpy people who take life much too seriously. We'll miss your clever banter, your unique points of view. We'll get along somehow. We'll just keep putting up pictures, asking questions, having a few laughs, making mistakes, learning......... You can watch the whole thing. You're always welcome back but it is suggested you lighten up, lay down your burdens -- life (and message communities) is/are short.

Iflyfish - 2-20-2008 at 10:29 AM

Hook

"And in case you actually LIKE the cherries with the squirt, well, there's no hope for you."

IflyfishhopelesslyasIlovethecherryonewiththedarkchocolateandthisboardandthegreatworkthemoderatorsdotokeeptheentireboxofchocolates.

DanO - 2-20-2008 at 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Osprey
We will miss all you grumpy people who take life much too seriously. We'll miss your clever banter, your unique points of view. We'll get along somehow. We'll just keep putting up pictures, asking questions, having a few laughs, making mistakes, learning......... You can watch the whole thing. You're always welcome back but it is suggested you lighten up, lay down your burdens -- life (and message communities) is/are short.

Nail, meet hammer. Thanks George.

Al G - 2-20-2008 at 11:25 AM

Everybody has stated their two cents...well here is a couple nickles...this board is growing and is this picture of health and if all the lurkers chimed in at once even the whiners would smile...if you leave you will miss the best of all. I believe this board is being monitored by the Mexican government and we are contributing to some changing of policies...idealistic maybe, but possible.
I also believe Baja Nomads will evolve into a large conduit for better culture exchange. The few people who get their toes stepped on and get nasty will never change the direction of the Nomads...Those of you who believe the Nomads should be only one directional and have no diversity...well I think you will see, we are to big and moving to fast. At this point in time the Baja Nomads have the best of all worlds....Viva Baja Nomads...a special thanks to Doug and Gene for seeing we are all different, flawed, and special.

David K - 2-20-2008 at 11:47 AM

I did want Hook to know that I had a sense of humor... But, I was responding about the Amigos de Baja comments mentioned above... I did know why it died.

Doug had set up this forum a year earlier and I called Doug to make sure he could handle the Amigos traffic, as 'we' needed a new home... With Doug's OK, I sent out emails with the good news to those who hadn't yet registered on Nomad or know where the 'Amigos' new home would be.

About my answering many questions:

Too many think that there is some kind of limit as to how much can be posted... that if I provide an answer, it somehow prevents anyone else from answering too. This is not so.

Often a question will be ignored or missed, and answers are important. The more answers, the more known or revealed... more is better than less.

[Edited on 2-20-2008 by David K]

Iflyfish - 2-20-2008 at 02:22 PM

I sincerly hope that the Mexican Goverment is monitoring this site. The views represented here are a pretty good cross section of the people who love Baja. Monitoring this site would provide a very good insight into the views and attitudes of most of the people from the USofA who have either moved to Baja or visit there.

If they are monitoring this site they will have learned that we love Baja and Mexico.

If they are monitoring this site they will have learned that we do not like the crime and corruption that we experience in Baja or for that matter in Mexico and that we would wish to see a criminal justice system that is free of corruption.

We would like to see police as our friends and not be in fear of them and their bribes.

We would like to know that we can safely drive anywhere in Baja and not be afraid of armed robbers who are mascarading as or are police.

We would like to know that we can safely purchase property in Mexico and not be swindled by unscrupulous people within the goverment. We would like to see the consumer protected from unethical transactions.

We would hope that by reading this site they will have learned that we will boycot Mexico if these issues are not addressed and that there is indeed a connection between the behavior or corrupt police and municipal officials and tourism. Clean it up and people come, let it rot in corruption and people will spend their money other places. TJ once cleaned up it's city under a reform mayor and tourism to TJ increased. Now there is fear of the safety of the streets and cities and tourism is down.

We hope that if they have been monitoring this site that they will have learned that empty words about things getting better will not change this, only real change in the administration of justice will change bring the tourists back.

I sincerly hope that this site is monitored by the Mexcian Goverment and that they are listening well.

Viva Mexico.

Iflyfish

bancoduo - 2-20-2008 at 03:07 PM

Being monitored by any government is not a good thing.

Barry A. - 2-20-2008 at 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by toneart
This is a problem that is also found outside the BajaNomad. The board merely reflects the changing of our culture which has turned decidedly abusive and rude in recent times.

We need to get a couple of things clear here: Whereas I am liberal and do not like to see censorship, The BajaNomad is a privately established entity with a set of rules that the owner and moderators have every right to enforce. It is their vision and that vision attempts to reflect the greater mores of a predominately civil society. On the other hand, there are classless individuals who are bullies and cannot find any other way to express their inadequacies, other than to be rude, crude and belittle others. When they attack me, I will deal with it.....or not. I prefer they not be censored but if they are, that is OK with me.

Most Nomads are good people who love to exchange Baja experiences and knowledge. Their help is given generously and warmly welcomed. Those who would like to attack and offend would never be welcomed to my house nor join me for dinner in a nice restaurant. Their surly spirit of exclusion only serves to get them excluded. :yes:

Why would I want to share any time with such bores? :?:

I'm a Conservative, and I think that ToneArt has it exactly right. Your the man!!! Tony.

barry

Monitoring. Be Afraid !

MrBillM - 2-20-2008 at 06:42 PM

I'm always hearing that we should be more like our European Cousins.

Listening to the news while driving South today, it was mentioned that the average British resident can be captured on CCTV 300 times daily. Every person arrested for ANY incident regardless of disposition is DNA-typed. They now have a DNA database of 3.5 million persons.

Gee, that sounds good to me. And You ?

Natalie Ann - 2-21-2008 at 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K
Here is the page (from a year ago) that Hose A posted an image of, so anyone can read Earle's explanation... the point is, the good time get-togethers (BBBB, Viva Baja, etc.) were not the reason Amigos de Baja retired... http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=22914#pid2077...

Thanks so much, David, for providing us the link that Hose A provided in his post :rolleyes:

.... and your ongoing personal defense. :rolleyes:

Maybe the rain will end soon and you can get outdoors to work again, leave us to decipher the posts by ourselves. I'm pretty sure I can manage.

Nena

Pompano - 2-21-2008 at 10:30 AM

Cutting edge, Nena..cutting edge.

David K - 2-21-2008 at 10:31 AM

Nena, on my pc, I can't read what Hose A put up. So that the rest of us poor people with computers that aren't as good as yours can have a look, I provided a link.

Michelle isn't here to defend herself, so as a friend I am...

For the record, I didn't see a link on Hose A's post until after I put it up in mine...

[Edited on 2-21-2008 by David K]

Natalie Ann - 2-21-2008 at 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hose A

Quote:

Originally posted by David K
Hook, because I know...

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=22914#pid2077...

okey doke... it's raining here, too, and I'm feeling like one more round in the mud....

David... do you see a link in the above post?
Hose A's screen shot was a copy of the link he posted.
More time reading for content and less time reacting, please.

And now I'll take my own advice and check out for today. :biggrin:

Nena

David K - 2-21-2008 at 10:43 AM

No Nena, I did NOT see the link, so that is why I provided one... as I said in my reply... I will go back and remove the duplicate information, as I don't want to annoy you with needing to see something twice here!

You can remove your criticism and I will remove my defense.

Thanks Sculpin for your reply, just below this one... Nicely worded, and I apologize for saying your post connected BBBB with the end of Amigos. I thought that's what was implied.. Have a nice day!

[Edited on 2-21-2008 by David K]

The Sculpin - 2-21-2008 at 11:04 AM

OK, so I guess I'm the guy who hasn't "retracted", since I'm the only one who mentioned the BBB'rs. I went back and re-read my post, and I don't see where I made the connection between Amigo's demise and the advent of the BBB'rs. My point was that towards the end there, one of the points of contention was that the BBB'rs were "hijacking" the website from the old time fisherman. Some felt that the site was beginning to have more of a social/travel club flavor than a fisherman flavor. As such, many "oldtimers" were threatening to leave - not much diiferent than today's threat of "oldtimers" leaving. Different circumstances, same threat. Well, despite the Amigos site going down, alot of the oldtimers didn't leave! Imagine that!
Now I admit that I was stirring the pot. DavidK took a ton of heat back then for all sorts of reasons, and I guess he's still sensitive about it today. David, you're just too easy to tease - my bad, but sometimes I just can't help it! I hope you understand it's all in jest - peeing in the campfire, so to speak. Look, to show you how far things have come, Shari would never have been able to do on the Amigos board what she's doing today on this one. She would have taken alot of heat for shameless self promotion - not to mention commercial exploitation of Baja! I guess we've all grown somewhat since the Amigo's days, just as Baja has. I mean, take a look at MrBill's avatar - a puppy!!! We've come a long way!!
Anyways, thanks Earl and Trish for all that you did, and thanks Doug and Hose for all that you're doing.

The "I'm still not retracting!" Sculpin