BajaNomad - Clamming? Legal or not??

Clamming? Legal or not??

thebajarunner - 2-20-2008 at 09:11 PM

We heard various versions of this.
Does anyone know the real story?
Is it legal, with a valid license, to take clams, and/or oysters?

(Obviously this is for information purposes only.....
no one in our crowd would dig the sand for shell fish)

CaboRon - 2-20-2008 at 09:13 PM

Only legal for Mexicans to take shell fish.

And why wouldn't you dig the sand for shell fish, it is a great tradition.

CaboRon

[Edited on 2-21-2008 by CaboRon]

tp - 2-20-2008 at 09:28 PM

There is no "story". As CaboRon already stated correctly: it is illegal for Gringos.
Clams, Lobsters any shellfish. Illegal.
IMPORTANT: Turtles are even illegal for Mexicans to catch.
Although offered everywhere, don't let you get cought to buy one.
Jail time for you and the seller.

bajaboolie - 2-20-2008 at 09:40 PM

Wow, even for a light meal for the family? (clams)

tp - 2-20-2008 at 09:48 PM

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Originally posted by bajaboolie
Wow, even for a light meal for the family? (clams)

Wow, you are coming to Mulege since you were 3.
Now you are coming w/ husband and kid.
So you must be at least 13.
And did not learn a **** thing about Mexico within those 10 years?
Wow

[Edited on 2-21-2008 by Hose A]

bajaboolie - 2-20-2008 at 10:08 PM

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tp, just don't go there.

I'm asking a legitimate question. This is (supposedly) a board where people who share a love for Baja share information and comraderie. I've never claimed to know all the Mexican laws, and I doubt you do either. Why would I know that? I don't even go clamming, but if presented the opportunity I would have.

Your rude response was unnecessary.

tp - 2-20-2008 at 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by bajaboolie

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Are You saying rude response?
Come on. It was a straight up response and not rude at all.
You are coming to Baja for at least 10 years, maybe 20 or 30 ??
And you wanna tell us that you never talked with anybody about clamming?
That you didn't know/learn in 20 or so years what others learn in just one summer, that is rude (But in a different way.)

Gadget - 2-20-2008 at 10:49 PM

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Originally posted by tp

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Originally posted by bajaboolie

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TP??? Interesting handle. I've noticed your posts and so has the moderator. For only 30 + posts you sure have a crank on already. Why post an answer to an innocent question with ranchor and cursing? How do you know how long this guy has been going to Baja, and so what anyway? I can hardly wait to see what your posts are like at 300 if your this groutchy now. :?:

Boolie- I'm with you

thebajarunner - 2-20-2008 at 10:53 PM

Not to enlarge upon this emerging catfight,
but I have been a regular in Baja since 1971 and have just discovered this year that there was an "issue" concerning clamming.

And yeah, rude responses don't need to find a home here.

(since I started the thread I guess I am entitled to chime in)

TonyC - 2-20-2008 at 11:09 PM

But it's ok to buy clams, oysters, and shrimp right? Also not ok to buy lobster, correct? Heading down to San Quintin friday to look for the shrimp farm.

TP don't reply, don't want....don't need your input. Your personal attack to bajaboolie's question totally out of line.

CaboRon - 2-21-2008 at 07:02 AM

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Originally posted by TonyC
But it's ok to buy clams, oysters, and shrimp right? Also not ok to buy lobster, correct? Heading down to San Quintin friday to look for the shrimp farm.

TP don't reply, don't want....don't need your input. Your personal attack to bajaboolie's question totally out of line.

Now that is an interesting question... I have been comming to Baja since the early fiftys and didn't know it was illegal to buy lobster.... I buy them all the time....does anyone have the definitive answer to the lobster issue .... I, of course know we can't take them from the water.

CaboRon

[Edited on 2-21-2008 by CaboRon]

bajadave1 - 2-21-2008 at 07:42 AM

Why not "google" The regs?, or try mexfish.com. NO invertebrates in toto. license info also.
:bounce:

4baja - 2-21-2008 at 07:44 AM

yes it is illegal to take shellfish BUT, i have allways been told that if it is for your own consumption and you do not transport(like to the states) that they will look the otherway. we have never had a problem with the law and a few times have provided clams to the feds that were camping nearby. i think it allso depends on the area your at and the type of clam. i think they have more of a problem pismo clams then they do say chocolates. :cool:

Don Alley - 2-21-2008 at 08:03 AM

For gringos, taking clams is illegal.

But it is customarily allowed, in small quantities for personal consumption.

In the fast-growing Loreto area, procedures and enforcement of laws are evolving, perhaps in other areas as well. So customs can change.

Therefore, it's not a bad idea to ask from time to time what is allowed.

shari - 2-21-2008 at 08:24 AM

Regs change all the time as do local customs...here in our neck of the desert nobody can take the nice big yummy pismo clams...Juan is a fisherman with the coop and he can't even get em legally...hands off. But they wash up on the beach in a big swell and you can pick them up then.

TonyC - 2-21-2008 at 08:25 AM

With regards to clamming, the small manila looking clams seem to be ok, with the military. Last Dec. I was clamming with my Pops (79 yrs. young) in El Socorro. My Pops says to me there's some soldiers walking towards us. I told him to quit fooling around, he said no joke look. I look towards the beach, and sure enough 5 soldiers all carrying autos. walking to us. With my limited spanish I ask them if I was doing anything wrong. They just wanted to warn us about the tsunami warning that week, now it gets good. They ask to see what we were doing, and I showed them them the clams. 3 of them start turning over rocks looking, so I said used my small hand weeding tool I use. Now I've 3 soldiers clamming with us while the other 2 were holding the weapons. Es Mexico man....love it here. I wish I had a camera.

Lobsters, my buddy Greg was going thru the military check point before Ensenada, when they saw that he had lobsters in the cooler. His spainsh is excellent, but it took him a little over an hour to talk himself out of the situation. Got off with a don't do it again, and they let him keep the lobsters.

Pismos I believe same as lobsters, but I've brought them to the states, cleaned in kilo zip bags when purchase them. No problem with the check point.

TonyC - 2-21-2008 at 08:30 AM

OK, I'm a junior nomad now. I would like to thank my family, the academy, and most of all my nomad family for making this possible.

Tony C. :biggrin:

vandenberg - 2-21-2008 at 09:05 AM

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Originally posted by shari
. But they wash up on the beach in a big swell and you can pick them up then.

Are those the ones with the stamp " I was washed up " on them. :?:

Oso - 2-21-2008 at 09:10 AM

Nothing like buying "fresh" clams from a guy on the side of the road after they've been sitting in the sun all day. Yummy, yummy.

vandenberg - 2-21-2008 at 09:14 AM

I know a few spots on Mag bay whre ,at low tide, the clams are so plentyful and right on the surface, that you can fill, with 2 people, a 44 quart cooler in about half an hour. Manillas and butterclams.
Always struck me funny that the Mexican people don't show any interest in them as a food staple. Except maybe for the chocolates, which in my book are among the most undesirable, Usually tough and stringy. But, maybe, the guys that dive for them ,here in Loreto, only sell them to restaurants, to be consumed by gringos. :biggrin:

backninedan - 2-21-2008 at 09:52 AM

I agree Ed, chocolates are at the bottom of my clam list also.

roundtuit - 2-21-2008 at 10:03 AM

When I find them washed up on the beach, I will take a butter clam over a chocolate any day. :lol:

David K - 2-21-2008 at 10:08 AM

I agree... :lol:

That's my Story and I'm Sticking to it !

MrBillM - 2-21-2008 at 10:17 AM

Although I've never had to, I've always been ready to say that I bought those Clams off of a Mexican vendor who came by.

I NEVER break any rules on either side of the border and ALWAYS tell the truth.

Until proven different.

Pompano - 2-21-2008 at 10:37 AM

Whenver we go on a 'washed-up-on-the-beach' clam expedition we always enjoy the 'chocolate erotica' recipe given us by Johnny Tequila years ago. It's to die for.

CaboRon - 2-21-2008 at 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by Pompano
Whenver we go on a 'washed-up-on-the-beach' clam expedition we always enjoy the 'chocolate erotica' recipe given us by Johnny Tequila years ago. It's to die for.

Pompano,

Are you going to share the recipe with us ?

CaboRon

Pompano - 2-21-2008 at 11:14 AM

Opps...sorry, Cabo Ron...will do.

Find about 6-8 washed-up chocolates per person. Slice them in half...carefully slipping your blade between the halves. Scrape out the siphon and discard (black stuff).

Then, cut around the shell to loosen all the meat from shell...leave half in each open half-shell.

Add to each half: chopped onions, tomatoes, a squeeze of lime, a drop of tobasco, and shake liberal Parmesan cheese over the top.

(Note: You will see the 'foot' of the chocolate curl and an try to attack you when squeezing the lime juice on..this is a sign of a nice fresh 'washed-up-clam'. When swallowing this foot will try to grab your tonsils and hold on, but just swallow real hard and it releases.)

Grill on hot grate until cheese melts...let cool while opening a cold Pacifico ...and let eat right from the shell. Absolutely delicious.

And better than Viagra...so JT says.

[Edited on 2-21-2008 by Pompano]

tp - 2-21-2008 at 11:24 AM

Well, I'm going to end this myself:
If somebody comes to Baja as a Pinchy Gringo (so to speak in JR language) living in a Gringo enclave and is not willing to learn anything about Mexico, then, of course, the facts are certainly considered rude.
I only pointed out facts. Period. (no further comment from my side)

Gadget - 2-21-2008 at 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by tp
Well, I'm going to end this myself:
If somebody comes to Baja as a Pinchy Gringo (so to speak in JR language) living in a Gringo enclave and is not willing to learn anything about Mexico, then, of course, the facts are certainly considered rude.
I only pointed out facts. Period. (no further comment from my side)

Now if TP here, who considers anyone who asks a question about how to conduct him or herself in Mexico legally a "P-nche gringo", was to be one of those Marines on the beach in TonyCs post, TP would have gunned both of them down first and asked questions latter.
Dude... what are you doing on this site?????

TonyC - 2-21-2008 at 02:14 PM

TP, thank you for ending your replies. When every opinion to your 1st, 2nd, and 3rd reply is taken as rude.....come on. I'm not bajaboolie, but I'm sure if you had talked like that to me in person, I would have a hard time keeping my cool. Your statements, words you used are not very neighborly. You need a hug.

Gadget I am so lucky the marines didn't have his attitude. Pops, and I would be fish food.

I hope the Pacifico's not as expensive as in the Bay Area, when I get to El Socorro tomorrow....I need a few, check that I need at least a 12 pack. Dennis if you read this my wife wants to know who told me about Pacifico, don't worry I got your back. That's good stuff.

The glass is always half full.

Tony C.

Debra - 2-21-2008 at 02:17 PM

David, is your computer having a problem? You are hicckupping all over the board.

bajaboolie - 2-21-2008 at 02:57 PM

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End what? Everyone had already moved on from that little sidestep in the thread. Glad to hear you won't be commenting further.

As for the topic at hand, I've enjoyed reading the comments, stories and recipes. I'm having a craving for clams!

bancoduo - 2-21-2008 at 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by tp

Wow, you are coming to Mulege since you were 3.
Now you are coming w/ husband and kid.
So you must be at least 13.
And did not learn a **** thing about Mexico within those 10 years?
Wow

You feel you know a lot about Mexico (Baja). How about a bio. starting with your first experience in Mexico. Maybe we can learn something constructive about the laws,culture,ect When living or traveling in MEXICO. :?:

DENNIS - 2-21-2008 at 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by TonyC
Dennis if you read this my wife wants to know who told me about Pacifico, don't worry I got your back. That's good stuff.

The glass is always half full.

Tony C.

Salud, Tony...Salud.

DanO - 2-21-2008 at 03:58 PM

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Now this is interesting. The reference to JR (who I am sure is watching all of this with great amusement from that great discussion board in the sky) and the "Gringo enclave" mean one of two things. Either TP is a blast from the Amigos past, or he's been doing some research. Inquiring minds want to know (and, I suspect, they'll find out).

DENNIS - 2-21-2008 at 04:09 PM

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Originally posted by DanO
Now this is interesting. The reference to JR (who I am sure is watching all of this with great amusement from that great discussion board in the sky) and the "Gringo enclave" mean one of two things. Either TP is a blast from the Amigos past, or he's been doing some research. Inquiring minds want to know (and, I suspect, they'll find out).

Bullseye. Looks like a classic re-entry.

lizard lips - 2-21-2008 at 04:15 PM

Minnow is BACK!

DENNIS - 2-21-2008 at 04:33 PM

Looking at TPs profile under Search all posts by this user, it comes up empty. How does that work?

DanO - 2-21-2008 at 04:34 PM

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Originally posted by lizard lips
Minnow is BACK!

I don't know. I seem to recall that he was a better speller.

bajalera - 2-21-2008 at 04:40 PM

Lighten up, tp.

I lived in La Paz for five years in the '60s and have been a regular visitor ever since. Not once have I ever talked about clamming with anyone.

Your post was snotty, and those belong on the Off-Topic forum.

[Edited on 2-21-2008 by bajalera]

bajaboolie - 2-21-2008 at 04:55 PM

By the way,

thanks for the support, fellow Nomads. I found it odd that 'tp' made the effort to go to my personal profile, then try to insult me. Why bother?? I also pegged him for a previously banned member with a chip on his shoulder.

My guess is he won't be around long...at least as his current title.

Paladin - 2-22-2008 at 02:40 PM

Clams???
I really enjoyed this entire thread
My old fat buddy and I are going on an 18 day trip to BCS in May as soon as his shoulder heals up from the Docs blade

All he talks about is how good the choalates (sp) are

Me I want the pismos....now I know the rules

Now I know how the rules are enforced :lol:

I'll just look for the big waves and wash ups

BA, Mulege, and BOLA here we come...

By the way my buddy is the brother of the guy who had the lobster problem in Loreto a couple months back...yep he comes from a poaching background

Me, my Dad retired from Calif Dept of Fish and Game after 30 years with badge # 3...one of the best Wardens ever...I've been never know to poach :lol:

God Bless Jimmie Huston

"Set the hook!!"

Gadget - 2-22-2008 at 02:44 PM

Tip:
Estuary entrance south of BoLA.
Fill a bucket for dinner with all the butter clams you need in 10 minutes.
Strictly from a subsistance point of view of course

[Edited on 2-22-2008 by Gadget]