I heard on the radio today that a five hour shoot out between police and drug dealers ended with two dead.
Anyone with more details please report. I hope FDT and family stayed out of harms way.
KenBMG - 3-3-2008 at 02:54 PM
REUTERS
10:59 a.m. March 3, 2008
TIJUANA, Mexico – Mexican police and soldiers traded gunfire with suspected drug gang members Monday in a five-hour battle near the U.S. border that
left a police officer and one of the suspected criminals dead.
The shootout began at a house in a residential neighborhood of Tijuana, a drug smuggling hot spot across the border from San Diego. It started Sunday
night and went on until early Monday, police said.
President Felipe Calderón has sent thousands of troops and federal police to Tijuana and other cities in Baja California, Mexico's most violent state,
to fight warring drug cartels and clean up corrupt local police.
Tijuana has recently suffered a spike in violence. Drug gang hitmen broke traditional codes of honor in the city in January by killing children,
including a 3-year-old boy and a 9-year-old girl.
Also in January, gunmen and more than 100 police and soldiers fought a three-hour battle outside a Tijuana kindergarten.
More than 2,500 people were killed in drug violence in Mexico last year and over 300 have died so far this year as cartels smuggling cocaine,
methamphetamine and marijuana fight each other for control of routes to the United States.
(Reporting by Lizbeth Diaz, editing by Alan Elsner)
Well.....looks like for the month of March things are about "normal".....The Gull - 3-3-2008 at 05:50 PM
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Well.....looks like for the month of March things are about "normal".....
For San Fernando Valley...American Colleges...OtayDavid K - 3-3-2008 at 05:52 PM
and Wendy's too!
Wendy's shooter
The Gull - 3-3-2008 at 05:58 PM
He was wearing a suit and tie in West Palm Beach, so you know he wasn't playing with a full deck of cards.
At least the Otay guy had a purpose for using the gun - continued sales of dope to USA.TonyC - 3-3-2008 at 07:20 PM
Is there a death sentence in Mexico? I mean the drug dealers seem to have no fear. What is the usual sentence for dealing....low level vs. high
level? I'm not for turning Mexico into a Singapore, but enough is enough. How about kidnapping. What's the max. sentence. There was a kidnapping in
San Quintin last week Monday or Sunday, while I was there. I hear the kidnappers want $300K dollars.DENNIS - 3-3-2008 at 07:28 PM
Let me see.......A seven hour shoot-out with one dead. Was he alone? Did he hold off a bunch of soldiers for seven hours alone?
If he wasn't alone, which one must assume, what happened to his buddys? Where did they go? Didn't the Army secure the perimeter? They only had
seven hours to do it.
This stinks.bajabound2005 - 3-3-2008 at 07:33 PM
I don't think there is a death sentence penalty in Mexico.....bancoduo - 3-3-2008 at 07:47 PM
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Originally posted by DENNIS
Let me see.......A seven hour shoot-out with one dead. Was he alone? Did he hold off a bunch of soldiers for seven hours alone?
If he wasn't alone, which one must assume, what happened to his buddys? Where did they go? Didn't the Army secure the perimeter? They only had
seven hours to do it.
This stinks.
Obviously you never attended a Mexican gunfight. The two sides stay barely out of range, shoot
hundreds of rounds [sounds like the forth of july] then retreat with both sides declaring victory.
The battle of *** *****
[Edited on 3-4-2008 by Hose A]DENNIS - 3-3-2008 at 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by bajabound2005
I don't think there is a death sentence penalty in Mexico.....
Only for treason.DENNIS - 3-3-2008 at 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by bancoduo
Obviously you never attended a Mexican gunfight. The two sides stay barely out of range, shoot hundreds of rounds [sounds like the forth of july] then
retreat with both sides declaring victory.
I'm gonna reserve a good seat for one of these. Sounds like a great show. Bows and arrows at two miles.HotSchott - 3-3-2008 at 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by TonyC
I'm not for turning Mexico into a Singapore, but enough is enough.
Why Not? Turning Mexico into Singapore is exactly what is needed. They don't tolerate any BS in Singapore from anyone. What an amazing example if
somewhat Socialist.
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I hear the kidnappers want $300K dollars.
No, they want whatever they can get.Gadget - 3-3-2008 at 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by TonyC
Is there a death sentence in Mexico? I mean the drug dealers seem to have no fear. What is the usual sentence for dealing....low level vs. high
level? I'm not for turning Mexico into a Singapore, but enough is enough. How about kidnapping. What's the max. sentence. There was a kidnapping in
San Quintin last week Monday or Sunday, while I was there. I hear the kidnappers want $300K dollars.
I don't believe there is in Mexico.
You get sent to prison and you are reunited with all your homies there. You pay for everything I've heard, down to toilet paper. The rich dealers
are in there own little world.
In the states we have the death penalty and the offender is cared for, fed 3 hots a day, a blanket etc at the cost to tax payers of $40K a year for 20
years before sentence is carried out.
Hmmmm doesn't seem like much of a deterant for the carrier criminal on either side of the fence.
I wonder what should be changed???Bajafun777 - 3-3-2008 at 11:25 PM
No death penalty that is why the U.S. must agree for any offender to be extradited to them from Mexico, if the offender is a Mexican National, that
they will not seek the death penalty. They also do not have any unfit charges for juveniles like California so if they are into killing for gangs
they can not be tried as an adult and at 18 they are released. See something wrong with this such as train them young and then they have no fear when
adults doing such terrible crimes. Later--------bajafun777djh - 3-3-2008 at 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by Gadget
In the states we have the death penalty and the offender is cared for, fed 3 hots a day, a blanket etc at the cost to tax payers of $40K a year for 20
years before sentence is carried out.
At $40k / Year / per head, You'd be getting a WHOLE lotta biz, amigo. I believe it is well over $60 K / Year nat'l average in the US... or so I read
recently.... Boring reading, I know, but I also serve on the Id. St. Juvenile Justice Council..... (which is often an overwhelming task too....)
What should be changed....? That list seems to be getting soooooooo much longer the older I get !
djhAventurera - 3-4-2008 at 01:23 AM
The latest on the shootout from Mexican newspapers is this:
An Army unit showed up about 10:00 pm to investigate a home in a rather upscale Tijuana neighborhood, and they were met with gunfire. They were joined
by some 200 soldiers and federales, who surrounded the home and tried to gain entry; however, every time they approached, they were met by gunfire. At
one point, the exchange of gunfire went on for an hour straight. At around 3:00 a.m., most of the gunfire stopped, but the area wasn't secured until
5:00 or 6:00 a.m.
Apparently, one 'bad guy' was killed and one soldier had a minor injury involving shrapnel in the eye. Another 'bad guy' may have been injured, and
three men in the home were taken into custody. They are now trying to determine if all four men were kidnappers/criminals or if a couple were
kidnappees. Inside the house, they found all kinds of high-powered rifles, police/AFI gear, bullets, rifle cartridges, etc.
The death penalty is not currently used in Mexico and hasn't been since the 1930s; however, many Mexican citizens are calling for it to be reinstated
with all the recent violence.DENNIS - 3-4-2008 at 07:38 AM
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Originally posted by Aventurera
The death penalty is not currently used in Mexico and hasn't been since the 1930s; however, many Mexican citizens are calling for it to be reinstated
with all the recent violence.
As I mentioned above, it is my understanding that the death penalty is on the books for treason. Not a crime you see every day.TonyC - 3-4-2008 at 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by DENNIS
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Originally posted by Aventurera
The death penalty is not currently used in Mexico and hasn't been since the 1930s; however, many Mexican citizens are calling for it to be reinstated
with all the recent violence.
As I mentioned above, it is my understanding that the death penalty is on the books for treason. Not a crime you see every day.
After 911, the term "terrorist threat" is loosely used. Drug dealing is that a terrorist threat? If your a lawyer, could you not argue that it's (drug
dealing) treason against your country? I guess I'm reaching.TonyC - 3-4-2008 at 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by HotSchott
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Originally posted by TonyC
I'm not for turning Mexico into a Singapore, but enough is enough.
Why Not? Turning Mexico into Singapore is exactly what is needed. They don't tolerate any BS in Singapore from anyone. What an amazing example if
somewhat Socialist.
I am so not down with anything in the extreme (somewhat Socialist), you just scared the heck out of me. Funny how easy to walk down that road, when
you're looking for answers.Hook - 3-4-2008 at 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by Aventurera
The death penalty is not currently used in Mexico and hasn't been since the 1930s; however, many Mexican citizens are calling for it to be reinstated
with all the recent violence.
I'd like to see some public executions in this country and Mexico.
Am I bloodthirsty? NO.
I just think simply reading about executions in big headlines glorifies these criminals in the eyes of their "brothers" even more. They come away
heroes with their 15 minutes of media fame.
I commend the Mexican government on this latest incident. Too often, they seem to let the violence come to them instead of seizing the initiative.
Five less bad guys out there, potentially...........fewer weapons in the hands of bad guys.Aventurera - 3-4-2008 at 12:39 PM
This morning the newspapers are saying that one of the men taken into custody had been genuinely kidnapped and was the son of a local businessman, I
believe. Another was a bad guy who tried to pretend he'd been kidnapped by putting handcuffs on himself; however, he had the house keys in his
pocket, and they also found gun powder residue on his hands.
It sounds like the authorities did a pretty good job on this one. They surrounded the home, threw in tear gas canisters, and fired few shots
themselves. Apparently, most of the shooting was done by the guys inside the house, and the police just kind of waited them out.HotSchott - 3-4-2008 at 10:39 PM
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Originally posted by TonyC
I am so not down with anything in the extreme (somewhat Socialist), you just scared the heck out of me. Funny how easy to walk down that road, when
you're looking for answers.
Funny how being exposed to this stuff wears on you to the point where individual freedoms start to seem less important than the good of the whole.
It's even funnier how I would not have said that in my twenties or probably even my thirties. Now that I have something to lose, being a victim is
much less appealing. Being executed for using illegal drugs (as in Singapore) is still a little heavy handed if not an extremely effective deterrent.
Public caning would sure be the end of the graffiti problem though...
