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Taking fireworks to Baja

Marmeon - 3-28-2008 at 08:10 AM

Hi there. My husband and I are heading to the beach at Punta Abreojos with a couple of friends. Several years ago someone gave us some fireworks that are illegal in our area. We're thinking about bringing them with us and setting them off while we're camping on the beach. My question is whether they'll let us bring them into Baja? Thanks, as always, for your help.

bajabound2005 - 3-28-2008 at 08:42 AM

We just love it when people bring fireworks to the beach (which I believe is illegal, even in Mexico as it is Federal Zone) and disturb the tranquility, scare the animals, and otherwise annoy everyone else...not to mention all the debris that is left behind to pollute the water and beach, and kill off some of the sealife.

Do everyone a favor and leave your fireworks at home.

DianaT - 3-28-2008 at 08:43 AM

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Originally posted by bajabound2005
We just love it when people bring fireworks to the beach (which I believe is illegal, even in Mexico as it is Federal Zone) and disturb the tranquility, scare the animals, and otherwise annoy everyone else...not to mention all the debris that is left behind to pollute the water and beach, and kill off some of the sealife.

Do everyone a favor and leave your fireworks at home.



:yes::yes::yes::yes::yes:

Martyman - 3-28-2008 at 08:46 AM

Bring your fireworks and set them off whereever you think is safe. Since they are old, they won't be as powerful (which might please some people). But go ahead and fire those bad boys off. Nobody cares!!! :cool:

DENNIS - 3-28-2008 at 08:56 AM

It's kinda like taking sand to the beach. You'll have fun trying to explain those toys to the soldiers at the military checkpoints when they go through your car.

bajabound2005 - 3-28-2008 at 09:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Martyman
Bring your fireworks and set them off whereever you think is safe. Since they are old, they won't be as powerful (which might please some people). But go ahead and fire those bad boys off. Nobody cares!!! :cool:


Speak for yourself. WE CARE. And NOwhere is "safe."

Blow Up

MrBillM - 3-28-2008 at 09:11 AM

The attitude among those who take retarded pleasure in setting off Fireworks is the reason, over the years, I have so enjoyed the few occasions when I've seen one of them "accidentally" do damage to themselves, children included. I laughed the whole time they were bundling up the last guy for an emergency Med run to San Felipe.

It's too bad that such comedy relief doesn't occur more frequently.

vandenberg - 3-28-2008 at 09:20 AM

Take'm to Pelican Bay and give the inmates a rush.:biggrin:

Martyman - 3-28-2008 at 10:37 AM

Am I the only retarded "mad bomber" to honor the long history of blasting off skyrockets in Mexico? C'mon all you crazies out there speak up. Are we gonna let those wimps that are afraid of a little fun dominate this dialog?
By the way, where can I get some cherry bombs?
And don't worry about taking the fireworks down in your car. The military never checks the southbound vehicles.

David K - 3-28-2008 at 10:42 AM

The older you get, the less fun they become... and unless you are the one detonating them, they are just a lot of noise and hurt dogs' ears.

As far as taking them INTO Mexico... who will know, as the searching is almost never done... and fireworks are LEGAL outside of towns.

So, take them to a deserted beach were you annoy nobody, or could start a fire and have fun... but medical help will also be a long ways off, too!!

[Edited on 3-28-2008 by David K]

sylens - 3-28-2008 at 10:53 AM

carrying coals to newcastle

DENNIS - 3-28-2008 at 10:54 AM

Burgers to Burger King.

DENNIS - 3-28-2008 at 10:55 AM

Tacos to Taco Bell.

sylens - 3-28-2008 at 11:03 AM

chicken to the colonel

vandenberg - 3-28-2008 at 11:25 AM

Girlfriend to a cathouse :saint:

Pompano - 3-28-2008 at 11:29 AM

lutefisk to a septic tank

Sharksbaja - 3-28-2008 at 11:35 AM

Nomad to Baja?

Sharksbaja - 3-28-2008 at 11:38 AM

I believe the answere lies above. Gringos in Baja are there to escape such frivality and juvenile behavior(stickinthemuds). Mexicans on the other hand would most likely welcome them.:lol:

edit for description;D

[Edited on 3-28-2008 by Sharksbaja]

Kell-Baja - 3-28-2008 at 12:01 PM

If you do fire em off be VERY careful as I know someone who lost a couple of fingers from fire works in Mexico.

bajamigo - 3-28-2008 at 12:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K

So, take them to a deserted beach were you annoy nobody, or could start a fire and have fun... but medical help will also be a long ways off, too!!

[Edited on 3-28-2008 by David K]


Name two places that won't be within earshot of any human being or any other living creature (except the ones that really like explosive sounds)

DENNIS - 3-28-2008 at 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by Kell-Baja
If you do fire em off be VERY careful as I know someone who lost a couple of fingers from fire works in Mexico.


I actually saw a guy light a firecracker and throw the match. It looked kinda ouchy but no lost digits.

sylens - 3-28-2008 at 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by Pompano
lutefisk to a septic tank


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

DENNIS - 3-28-2008 at 01:20 PM

What is Lutefisk? I've lived a sheltered life.

vandenberg - 3-28-2008 at 01:25 PM

As a kid I used, at New Year's Eve, watch tough/demented guys, hold firecrackers in their enclosed hand and light them. Hand kind of acts like a gun's firing chamber and the explosion goes out both ends without blowing off digits. Never said that I grew up in a "hood" with brilliant people.:P:biggrin: and ,of course, booze had a way to deliver the courage :no::biggrin:

Martyman - 3-28-2008 at 01:27 PM

Bajamigo ;
Here they are (amongst the hundred others)

Name two places;
1. Five miles south of Campo La Costilla
2. Punta Pulpito

Don't you bury Lutefisk for an amout of time?

sylens - 3-28-2008 at 01:28 PM

from the explanation, i coulda sworn you were finnish.:lol:

was it just the wikipedia or did you really know?:P

DENNIS - 3-28-2008 at 01:29 PM

Yummy. I really like the "Lye" part. It sounds soooo good.

DENNIS - 3-28-2008 at 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by sylens
i coulda sworn you were finnish



Sounds like lutefisk would Finnish most anybody.

vandenberg - 3-28-2008 at 01:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by sylens
from the explanation, i coulda sworn you were finnish.:lol:



I sure hope he's Finished :lol:

Stuff sounds lethal :no:

ILikeMex - 3-28-2008 at 02:04 PM

I bought some fireworks in Rosarito on a trip south. I asked the guy selling if there were any problems transporting or using them. He said no, just make sure they are wrapped up in the bag I he gave me when I bought them. Just your plain white plastic bag you get a gricery store. Not sure why this would make a difference for transporting, but I thought it couldn;t hurt.

NMO-baja lingo for "no more ordnance"

Bronco - 3-28-2008 at 04:30 PM

I would ask that the nice visiting party leave them home or destroy by H20 boarding the stash of explosives. On my last couple of visits to the Blowhole/ La Bufadora the explosives that went off were extreme and dangerous. These rockets, M-500 and M-1000 can jar your dentures out. A good friend told me of a child last season that will probably lose a thumb from an accident at Celias place. Apparently the owner shrugs complaints of problem. Of course if its profit motive, flak jackets and steel helmets could fetch a nice peso.

David K - 3-28-2008 at 05:16 PM

Isn't moving to Mexico and complaining about fireworks the same as moving near an airport and complaining about plane noise???:?::lol::O

rts551 - 3-28-2008 at 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Isn't moving to Mexico and complaining about fireworks the same as moving near an airport and complaining about plane noise???:?::lol::O


No It Is Not!! I live in Abreojos and we do not have fireworks very often. In fact if they are a nuisance, the local police will kindly escort you out of the area.

I am sure there are many other areas that are the same way.

David K - 3-28-2008 at 06:07 PM

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Originally posted by rts551
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Isn't moving to Mexico and complaining about fireworks the same as moving near an airport and complaining about plane noise???:?::lol::O


No It Is Not!! I live in Abreojos and we do not have fireworks very often. In fact if they are a nuisance, the local police will kindly escort you out of the area.

I am sure there are many other areas that are the same way.


I guess you missed reading my earlier and first responce in this thread:

>>>The older you get, the less fun they become... and unless you are the one detonating them, they are just a lot of noise and hurt dogs' ears.

As far as taking them INTO Mexico... who will know, as the searching is almost never done... and fireworks are LEGAL outside of towns.

So, take them to a deserted beach were you annoy nobody, or could start a fire and have fun... but medical help will also be a long ways off, too!!<<<

So, no... no fireworks in 'TOWN'.... but as far as other places where they have been used for 50 years or more: Yes, it is like moving next to an airport trhat has been there for 50 years and then crying about the noise...

Freedom or tradition is a precious thing... you keep taking away more and more of it, and soon it is gone.

bajaguy - 3-28-2008 at 06:11 PM

simple test......do you want someone setting off fireworks near where you live????

DianaT - 3-28-2008 at 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by David K

Freedom or tradition is a precious thing... you keep taking away more and more of it, and soon it is gone.


What the h$)) does that have to do with fireworks?

Strange defense of the farfetched analogy you used before---

David K - 3-28-2008 at 06:31 PM

1) Freedom to do things that you enjoy (where they don't annoy others).

2) Tradition of using fireworks where it has been done for decades.

3) Don't move to where fireworks are legal and then expect it to change for you... gringo-ism at its best! (where's that jrbaja?)

FOR THE RECORD... I wouldn't want to live near it either... so I wouldn't move to San Felipe, Rosarito or any other place where they are set off a lot!

DENNIS - 3-28-2008 at 06:35 PM

I HATE fireworks but, I'd much rather endure a few of those than somebody's loud radio with a bunch of squakky loud Ranchero noise polluting the air.

DianaT - 3-28-2008 at 06:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
1) Freedom to do things that you enjoy (where they don't annoy others).

2) Tradition of using fireworks where it has been done for decades.

3) Don't move to where fireworks are legal and then expect it to change for you... gringo-ism at its best! (where's that jrbaja?)

FOR THE RECORD... I wouldn't want to live near it either... so I wouldn't move to San Felipe, Rosarito or any other place where they are set off a lot!


Ah, thank you

Freedom to pollute the environment as long as it does not ännoy"anyone.

Yes, we should all support all tradtion---like shooting firearms aimlessly in the air during celebrations---probably fewer people hurt than with fireworks, unless you happen to catch one of the falling bullets.

Who the h3)) said they were trying to change anything? That is your take on it. But guess you don't take credit for that one since you chose to footnote it.


geessssssssss
John and Diane

[Edited on 3-29-2008 by jdtrotter]

rts551 - 3-28-2008 at 06:50 PM

This thread started because someone wanted to set fireworks off at the beach in Abreojos. Is this degenerating to oral (whoops - written) diarrhea David, or are you really an expert on the traditions at Punta Abreojos.

[Edited on 3-29-2008 by rts551]

David K - 3-28-2008 at 07:03 PM

Pick and choose what you want to read or interpret my friends...

The question was about taking fireworks INTO Baja... The truth answer is they ARE legal in Baja... but generally not allowed to be set off in towns.

Most here have used this question to promote their hate of the traditional freedom to set off fireworks in Mexico... and to confuse my posting the 'other side' of an argument to get you to think.

Like you (most of you), I don't want to hear them on a regular basis either... But, I (or you) have no right to change a freedom or tradition because of your/ my personal feelings... You need a majority and a rule of law.

Can some of you just read and THINK about other ideas? Don't jump on the messenger for opening your eyes... Good night.

:light::o

DianaT - 3-28-2008 at 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
Jesus Christ there's some fuddy duddies on this board....... hope you all get your Metamucil down.
Get over it.... I live close to a place where fireworks go off almost every night. Big deal..... planes fly low over the coast..... holy chiite....what a travesty.... people blast music in their cars.... exceed the speed limit..... OH MY GOD! There are people smoking on our beaches and it is OUTLAWED! They oughta be thrown in jail! I can't even have a beer on my beach anymore...... I would celebrate someone launching a few bottle rockets! Hell, I've done it myself, amazingly enough me being in the business I am....
I hope to *** I never get so righteous that I can't tolerate a few fireworks.....


Arn't you special---may you remain so.

[Edited on 3-29-2008 by Hose A]

DENNIS - 3-28-2008 at 08:51 PM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
Jesus Christ there's some fuddy duddies on this board....... hope you all get your Metamucil down.
Get over it.... I live close to a place where fireworks go off almost every night. Big deal..... planes fly low over the coast..... holy chiite....what a travesty.... people blast music in their cars.... exceed the speed limit..... OH MY GOD! There are people smoking on our beaches and it is OUTLAWED! They oughta be thrown in jail! I can't even have a beer on my beach anymore......


Nice picture, Frank. If you had peace, quiet and a bit less government, they'd probably raise your taxes.

Sharksbaja - 3-28-2008 at 09:39 PM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
Jesus Christ there's some fuddy duddies on this board....... hope you all get your Metamucil down.
Get over it.... I live close to a place where fireworks go off almost every night. Big deal..... planes fly low over the coast..... holy chiite....what a travesty.... people blast music in their cars.... exceed the speed limit..... OH MY GOD! There are people smoking on our beaches and it is OUTLAWED! They oughta be thrown in jail! I can't even have a beer on my beach anymore...... I would celebrate someone launching a few bottle rockets! Hell, I've done it myself, amazingly enough me being in the business I am....
I hope to **** I never get so righteous that I can't tolerate a few fireworks.....


Thank you! Gringolandia will arrive sooner or later to Baja and at this rate...... David, sometimes you do have a clue! Kidding you of course but with this you are spot on imo.

I think most of us have enough sense to stay away from them. If not, you party-poopers should stay secure.

I wonder how many from PNW and points east feel about their fireworks. California is a bad place for all but the expert shows. That's because they start fires so easy, not cuz a few nincompoops hurt themselves. Maybe it's vogue to not like them there. You know like Patch inferred. Try to have a beer and walk your dog on the beach while picnicing with a campfire going. You'll probably go to jail and pay a $1000 fine. Up here you would look odd behaving as you would there.:lol:
Aw how I love the difference in that mindset here. Beaches are actually considered a great place to recreate. Go figure.:cool:

You should see the celebration folks have , it's almost like they still have civil liberties and are permitted to express themselves, beer and all.

[Edited on 3-29-2008 by Hose A]

805gregg - 3-29-2008 at 07:35 AM

I usually don't, but now, I will have to buy some on the way down just to pee someone off. My kids always enjoyed a few bottle rockets and fire crackers part of the fun of going to Baja. For some reason I thought they were illegal in southern Baja because of all the thached roofs.

DianaT - 3-29-2008 at 08:53 AM

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Originally posted by David K

Can some of you just read and THINK about other ideas? Don't jump on the messenger for opening your eyes... Good night.

:light::o


I am really, really sorry. I forgot you were the Enlightened one, a regular Baja Budda teaching in riddles. :light::light:


Quote:

805gregg ---I usually don't, but now, I will have to buy some on the way down just to pee someone off.


Now that's the spirit.

BornFisher - 3-29-2008 at 09:27 AM

I hate those things, until I light one off! Then I go crazy and can`t stop until I have run out!!
Geeeeze....... light a few off (the good rockets that go BOOM, cost about $4), and have fun!!

Cardon Man - 3-29-2008 at 09:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K

3) Don't move to where fireworks are legal and then expect it to change for you... gringo-ism at its best! (where's that jrbaja?)



David, you have crystalized my thoughts perfectly with that statement. Gringo-ism sucks. I digress...

Personal Decisions

MrBillM - 3-29-2008 at 10:09 AM

This is just one of many areas in which someone exercising their "Rights" regarding personal decisions and personal responsibility to other non-participants brings up the question of how offensive behavior should be addressed.

The Golden Rule which I have followed all of my adult life is that, when someone "FIRST" commits such an act, then ANYTHING that I might do in response (Legal, Illegal, Underhanded, Sneaky, Irritating, Harmful or otherwise) is fully justified. Discretion prevents me from citing specific examples, some of which are quite amusing, others distressful.

Over the years, it has worked quite well for me, but others may address those events differently. That's their decision.

I'll go with mine.

Sharksbaja - 3-29-2008 at 11:06 AM

In other words, if they're gonna shoot near you , they better aim to kill? Thumb print please.
Stop it Bill, your feminine side is showing again.

Steve&Debby - 3-30-2008 at 09:45 PM

I agree if the fireworks are legal then go ahead and use them in a safe way. I have been in San Felipe on New Years Eve and there is alot of fireworks going off almost all night long. I do have to admit it is a little annoying to have them set off when you are sound asleep.But it was my choice to go there knowing the firework would be going off all night long.My family and I have even got some of the big bottle rockets and set them off and enjoyed the show,But not to late as to wake people up.:no::no::no:

PabloS - 3-30-2008 at 10:02 PM

Just take the fireworks to your local fire station and turn them in. If you take them to Baja you may have more problems than you can imagine.

Sharksbaja - 3-31-2008 at 12:36 AM

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Originally posted by PabloS
Just take the fireworks to your local fire station and turn them in. If you take them to Baja you may have more problems than you can imagine.


:lol: I can imagine what THEY will do with them!

PabloS - 3-31-2008 at 06:46 AM

From there they go to the BOMB SQUAD:lol::lol:

Festus - 4-2-2008 at 05:11 PM

Marmeon - we just got back from a trip down to Guerrero Negro. I bought fireworks in Ensenada and had them in the car when we were searched by the military outside Sn Quintin. They found the bag of fireworks, looked in and put them back without saying a word so I don't think it is a big deal.

For those who are about to launch into another round of concerns about the many evils of fireworks I will just say that we only lit them off when there was no one around (deserted beach at 9pm with no houses in the area) and I made sure my kids picked up all the papers. I totally agree with the comments about respecting other peoples right to peace and quiet and the litter from fire crackers is a real eye sore. I also agree with those who have said that it is a grand tradition as I remember doing them with my dad when I was a kid.

Dannyrose - 4-2-2008 at 08:47 PM

I've been wanting to know about the same thing. But everyone seems to be referring to the awful fireworks that are shot off from local vendors. I pass by an Indian reservation in Nevada on the way to Utah that sells kits that rival some local professional shows. I'm not talking about the dud mortars and the annoying big bangs. These are beautiful multi stage plumes. I'm talking the real deal for only a couple hundred bucks for a wonderful show. So to ask the original question. Are they legal to import??

DENNIS - 4-2-2008 at 09:03 PM

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Originally posted by Dannyrose
So to ask the original question. Are they legal to import??


That's the frustrating thing about law in Mexico. Nobody seems to know. It's all subject to interpretation at the moment. Of course, you could ask a lawyer but, he probably won't know either so you could pay him to do his homework and it still won't mean much because two blocks away from his office, the law is different and you're right back where you started.
Stealth and common sense are the law, it seems.

Bajafun777 - 4-2-2008 at 10:21 PM

I have been with friends that have taken fireworks across and Mexican customs did nothing when they looked in the trunk, so it appears legal but may also be the luck of the draw. Fireworks are fun for those shooting them off but those with animals have to go searching for them when these fireworks go off. I have shot off my share of fireworks and remember the big BBQs in Texas with plenty of them. I never thought about the animals like dogs who just go wild when they go off. If you could be aware before it would be one thing but unfortunately you never know what is going to happen. I had my boxer take off and get lost for two days and finally found her but she had been hit by a car and her leg was broken. Had to have her operated on, a pin put in her leg, and had to work with her for over 8 months to get the leg back to where it was functional. Just my gripe about fireworks but I know they are fun for kids to watch and others to enjoy but care should be taken, so beach areas not close to houses best to enjoy them. Later, bajafun777

bajabound2005 - 4-2-2008 at 10:27 PM

Remember our Barney is Missing post last August? That was due to some huge firecracker M80 type thing...5 weeks later we got him back.

David K - 4-3-2008 at 08:28 AM

Those that remember the story about 'Inky' the lost dog we found between Santa Ynez and Mision Santa Maria... and how we saved her, brought her with us to Camp Gecko, and during the sky rocket show, she took off and wasn't seen again... Dogs hate the explosions!

http://vivabaja.com/403

[Edited on 4-3-2008 by David K]

Martyman - 4-3-2008 at 09:08 AM

Dogs, fireworks, gringos, books and fishing gear should all be banned from Mexico. They all can cause pain and suffering to my inner child.
But tequila...thats a horse of a different feather!

Bajabus - 4-4-2008 at 12:44 PM

Bring them and shoot them off responsibly. Unless Mr Bill is around, in that case aim directly for him and keep firing repeatedly.

Don't forget to clean up

Bothering the Neighbors

MrBillM - 4-4-2008 at 02:05 PM

I used to have a crazy old (retired Army Sergeant) neighbor in Baja who would get infuriated over many things. Fireworks set off (especially by other neighbors) was high on his list. As a consequence, he would collect his Urine in plastic Jugs in his garage and, whenever an event occurred that angered him, he'd wait until nobody was around and douse the neighbors residences.

From time to time questions would come up, but I kept his secret. Although it wasn't something I'd do, it was understandable and a great Hoot.

Revenge is ALWAYS a satisfying feeling and as they say, Best served Cold.

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"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and goodwill shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee."

[Edited on 4-5-2008 by MrBillM]

Gadget - 4-4-2008 at 02:37 PM

So much....good? information here. I had to go back to the first post to remember what the question was.

Didn't see any replys or thanks from the original poster. Guess they got scared off.

Some questions are received here with "SHOCK AND AWE". Just blow the crap out of it and it'll go away. :O

Pescador - 4-5-2008 at 08:19 AM

When I first saw this post, I opted not to open it up because I personally have no interest in fireworks but when it reached 3 pages, I figured something must be going on. It is a great psychological assessment tool where it becomes pretty easy to figure out those who want their world ordered and neat and anything that expands that creates great discomfort, while others are a little more laid back and allow others their fun but will avoid things that they find slightly offensive (even though this is an expanded perception) and then those on the really loose end that are clamoring for "Bring it all on". Sure does liven up a rather boring topic.

Patches

MrBillM - 4-5-2008 at 10:52 AM

I mentioned the Urine example because I thought it might be of use to someone at some later date.

"Patch" seems to think that I was referring to myself. Once again, he's wrong. Not that I think it was a bad idea. Somehow, though, the collection process seems a little distasteful and requires more longterm committment than I would care for. As a retribution method for me at that time, it's downside would have been that the "incidents" would coincide with my trips and tend to point in my direction. Old Sarge Dee had the advantage of being the only fulltime resident in that area at the time with the ability to pick his moment. Now, that I'm around most of the time and have mellowed with age, the "problem" neighbors are long gone and so is Dee.

That said, I see nothing wrong with his approach. In my younger years, I often used that methodology with different chemicals. I once had the Landlord from Hades and, when I moved out, during the night I poisoned all of his beloved trees and Shrubs with Ortho Triox. Driving by many times later, I loved seeing those trees and shrubs slowly die. Revenge is sweet.

I've found over the years that confronting these people rarely works out well, especially those who are setting off BOMBS nearby. They already know that they're bothering others. That's part of their motivation. The conversations usually go straight South. Unless you're willing to end up in a brawl, complaints either go unheeded OR (as I've seen often) it encourages them to greater excess.

Anyway, for those like me who don't want to stockpile Urine for these occasions, other items available cheaply at Home Depot or an Auto Parts store are: Pool Chlorine, Muriatic Acid (one of my favorites) and Sulphuric acid (for car batteries). The Sulphuric acid works GREAT on car finishes. Be especially careful with the Muriatic Acid in the presence of ANY metallic items. You can find yourself engulfed in a cloud of potentially deadly gas. I found out the hard way that a tiny amount of metal can do the job.

Enjoy those Fireworks Safely, Sanely and away from non-participants.

Debra - 4-5-2008 at 12:01 PM

I can't believe you just said that! While I admit the THOUGHT of revenge is sweet, what you are suggesting is just plain mean, not to mention illeagal.

edit for spelling

[Edited on 4-5-2008 by Debra]

Debra - 4-5-2008 at 12:41 PM

Frank, I was talking to MrBill. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Sharksbaja - 4-5-2008 at 02:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
I once had the Landlord from Hades and, when I moved out, during the night I poisoned all of his beloved trees and Shrubs with Ortho Triox. Driving by many times later, I loved seeing those trees and shrubs slowly die. Revenge is sweet.


I once had a neighbor smile and brag to me about how he fed another neighbors dog glass-laced dogfood and watched it suffer a slow agonizing death.

Was that you Bill?:?:

I Beg your Indulgence and Understanding

MrBillM - 4-5-2008 at 02:28 PM

Paraphrasing Claude Rains, I'm sure that you are Shocked to hear someone suggest something that would be illegal.

Consider me properly Chastened.

Although I rarely have occasion to do anything of that sort in recent years (well, more rarely anyway), I would have to confess that my youthful years were more replete with vindicative revengeful acts that some would consider improper. Luckily, I was fortunate to use prudence in performing those acts and never ran directly afoul of any lawful redress. As Billy once said, "Close, but no Cigar". Like many (or so I believe) if ALL of my illegal acts had been punished, I may have spent a long time (as opposed to none) behind bars.

Seriously, though, I sincerely believe that, as long as the other person is guilty of the initial offense, what happens to them in retribution is justified (without limits). After all, they made that choice. That has been my "Golden Rule" and it's worked out pretty well all things considered.

As I close in on the Day of Judgement, I do spend more time in retrospection pondering how some of my previous life might be judged. There is the possibility that my assessment of Right, Wrong and Justice MAY NOT be agreed with. Depending on who among the Religious and Non-Religious turns out to be correct, I could be in for a LONG Uncomfortable time. Unfortunately, it's too late once you find that out.

Speaking of Justice and Retribution, years ago I purchased many books from Palladin Press, among others, regarding various Firearms and modifications, cooking up chemicals and other inspirational tomes on "Getting Even", etc. I just checked and they're still in business and still offering various manuals on those subjects. It's worth a look if you're interested.

http://www.paladin-press.com/

BTW, I would NEVER harm a dog. As I've said again and again, I've met far more dogs in my life that I like than I have people. Dogs represent some of God's best work. Cats, on the other hand, ..............? But I wouldn't even harm one of them. I once found a cat in the road that had been hit and took it home long enough to nurse it back to health and give it away to a friend before it ate all of my speaker wires like the last one did.

Be Safe.

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"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and goodwill shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee."

[Edited on 4-5-2008 by MrBillM]

bancoduo - 4-5-2008 at 03:16 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
Paraphrasing Claude Rains, I'm sure that you are Shocked to hear someone suggest something that would be illegal.

Consider me properly Chastened.

Although I rarely have occasion to do anything of that sort in recent years (well, more rarely anyway), I would have to confess that my youthful years were more replete with vindicative revengeful acts that some would consider improper. Luckily, I was fortunate to use prudence in performing those acts and never ran directly afoul of any lawful redress. As Billy once said, "Close, but no Cigar". Like many (or so I believe) if ALL of my illegal acts had been punished, I may have spent a long time (as opposed to none) behind bars.

Seriously, though, I sincerely believe that, as long as the other person is guilty of the initial offense, what happens to them in retribution is justified (without limits). After all, they made that choice. That has been my "Golden Rule" and it's worked out pretty well all things considered.

As I close in on the Day of Judgement, I do spend more time in retrospection pondering how some of my previous life might be judged. There is the possibility that my assessment of Right, Wrong and Justice MAY NOT be agreed with. Depending on who among the Religious and Non-Religious turns out to be correct, I could be in for a LONG Uncomfortable time. Unfortunately, it's too late once you find that out.

Speaking of Justice and Retribution, years ago I purchased many books from Palladin Press, among others, regarding various Firearms and modifications, cooking up chemicals and other inspirational tomes on "Getting Even", etc. I just checked and they're still in business and still offering various manuals on those subjects. It's worth a look if you're interested.

http://www.paladin-press.com/

BTW, I would NEVER harm a dog. As I've said again and again, I've met far more dogs in my life that I like than I have people. Dogs represent some of God's best work. Cats, on the other hand, ..............? But I wouldn't even harm one of them. I once found a cat in the road that had been hit and took it home long enough to nurse it back to health and give it away to a friend before it ate all of my speaker wires like the last one did.

Be Safe.

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"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and goodwill shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee."

[Edited on 4-5-2008 by MrBillM]
Sounds like a narcissistic epiphany. Getting ready to check out?

Bajabus - 4-5-2008 at 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM

As I close in on the Day of Judgement,


May it be mercifully short in coming.

Ragnar Benson is my favorite all time "alternative" subversive warfare publisher...i have all his books.

Being Italian I am familiar with vendetta and have always served it up very cold.

Fun and Games

MrBillM - 4-5-2008 at 08:29 PM

One of the few positive things to result from the Freedom of Information Act was the publishing of volumes of information the U.S. government had developed, at the Frankford Arsenal and elsewhere, on improvised destructive devices for the CIA to distribute to insurgents. That Freedom of Information distribution resulted in three manuals detailing the home production of devices using readily available materials.

Another great publication is a reprint of a manual developed and distributed by the Minuteman Militia group in the 1950s which includes detailed drawings for home production of a .45ACP Submachine Gun along with instructions for producing Nitroglycerin. Back in the 1980s, Firepower Magazine (devoted to Full-Auto weapons) used those drawings to actually produce a copy of the weapon built along the lines of the M-3. The downside to the weapon was that, when it was designed, M-3 parts were in huge surplus and the 30-round magazine readily available. That is no longer the case, but prompted by the article, I ordered (4) of those magazines which are still in storage, just in case.

I never worked up the courage to try the Nitroglycerin recipe. Readily available ingredients and a simple process, but extremely sensitive to any production errors. Hate to blow up the wife's kitchen (and myself).

For any of those who Do wish to try the Nitro process (especially Bus and Bunco), the recipe is all over the Internet. Give it a try and report back.

Better than Fireworks.
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"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and goodwill shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee."

[Edited on 4-6-2008 by MrBillM]

Bajabus - 4-6-2008 at 10:15 AM

I see that palladin no longer carries Mr Benson's best books regarding improvised explosive devices like "homemade C-4" and "homemade blasting caps"

It would be foolish to try the nitro recipe when so many better ANFO formulations are around. Nice, easy, common chemicals and stable.

Besides high concentration sulfuric acid like you would need for the nitro is hard to get and very nasty to work with.

Fortunately it is still relatively easy to purchase 60% dynogel sticks of dynamite in some western sates by simply filling out the required ATF form and showing a drivers lic.

Lots of fun

As licensed pyrotechnics's and blasters ( the latter expired ) My wife and I had many a memorable time with high energy compounds.

We used to buy our dynamite from Burt's explosives in Prescott valley AZ.

We continue to get all our pyrocompounds from skylighter ( we like to make our own fireworks)

Black powder in 10Lb lots from powder inc.

The last two ship UPS

Our favorite effect:
4 sticks 60% Dynogel, 1 blasting cap 0 delay, 20 gallons gasoline, 4 tablespoons black powder, pinch of dextrin ( binder ), 1 tablespoon potassium nitrate (slows down the BP), 1.5 tablespoons sponge titanium, two 55 gallon drums stacked and buried in the ground, one 6" length of ABS pipe capped on one end, buried in the ground about 10ft away from the drums and angled to intersect a point about 15 ft directly above the drums.......It makes a truly stupendous simulation of an atomic fireball.

elgatoloco - 4-6-2008 at 12:02 PM

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Originally posted by Bajabus
Our favorite effect:
4 sticks 60% Dynogel, 1 blasting cap 0 delay, 20 gallons gasoline, 4 tablespoons black powder, pinch of dextrin ( binder ), 1 tablespoon potassium nitrate (slows down the BP), 1.5 tablespoons sponge titanium, two 55 gallon drums stacked and buried in the ground, one 6" length of ABS pipe capped on one end, buried in the ground about 10ft away from the drums and angled to intersect a point about 15 ft directly above the drums.......It makes a truly stupendous simulation of an atomic fireball.


Can I hire you to do the fireworks at my 50th BD?! :biggrin:

I still dream of the day (night) when I can see live the effect of the above 'recipe'. Give the wife and baby a hug from us left coasters!

VIVA PYROS!

Bajabus - 4-6-2008 at 03:13 PM

Gato...for you free but we need a nice open area. The beach in front of your place i suspect has to many houses with palapa roofs nearby.

Say hello to la gatita also...we really miss you guys

Gadget - 4-6-2008 at 04:19 PM

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Our favorite effect:
4 sticks 60% Dynogel, 1 blasting cap 0 delay, 20 gallons gasoline, 4 tablespoons black powder, pinch of dextrin ( binder ), 1 tablespoon potassium nitrate (slows down the BP), 1.5 tablespoons sponge titanium, two 55 gallon drums stacked and buried in the ground, one 6" length of ABS pipe capped on one end, buried in the ground about 10ft away from the drums and angled to intersect a point about 15 ft directly above the drums.......It makes a truly stupendous simulation of an atomic fireball.


You have got to get together with the Pyros on the Locos crew guys from Nor Cal. They have created some pretty respectable "mushroom clouds" with their antics at our remote pits. :O

Bajabus - 4-6-2008 at 07:46 PM

Sounds like fun gadget...i wonder if they attend the western winter blast held each year near quartzite.

The best week in pyro is the annual pyrotechnicians guild meet. Different location each year. Pyro masters from all over the world come to compete and show off. It is one hell of a week and you will see things you will never see in a "regular" show.
Some of these 16 - 24 inch shells take over a month to build and we need special FAA clearance to launch them. The bursts can be about 2,500 feet in diameter with many changing colors and effects.
Members only during the week but we put on a public display the last night that is awesome.

BTW not all fireworks need to be loud. some pretty decent cremora fireballs can be made and there is only a whoosh sound with a mild thump kinda like a fresh cut tree hitting soft ground.

Do a google image search under cremora fireball to see what I mean. cheap and fairly safe. Not loud at all.

elgatoloco - 4-6-2008 at 09:11 PM

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Originally posted by Bajabus
Gato...for you free but we need a nice open area. The beach in front of your place i suspect has to many houses with palapa roofs nearby.

Say hello to la gatita also...we really miss you guys


Maybe we need to meet at the beach in front of your place! :biggrin:

We can at least relive the private fireworks show you put on for us in 2002 at Playa Bajabus. :cool:

Sharksbaja - 4-6-2008 at 10:05 PM

You a badboybus.:lol:

We just shoot off safensane unsafe and insane Washinton State Indian Reservation types. Every year tho the Fire Marshall culls the most awesome ones.:no:

We join with hundreds of others. Haven't seen any injuries fortunately. I think those that use them have learned responsible useage.

Ther will always be idiots around to pee in the pool. Stay clear of them! :lol: Have fun(fun is good)!;D

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Bajabus - 4-7-2008 at 07:29 PM

I love fireworks....always have. Now that I know Mr bill hates them I love them even more.

Gato...I sure do miss being down there full time.......sigh.

9 years was a good run, the place has changed quite a bit.

back in early 2002 I started telling a story about one such atomic fireball we did in Baja years earilier....I got to part 3 and was asked to please not finish the story by the parties involved....something about the truckloads of army guys, marines and a small battleship dispatched off our coast after the party still has them a bit spooked.

Here are links to all three posts.....someday I will finish it and tell the full story.

Part I

Part II

Part III

standingwave - 4-7-2008 at 08:04 PM

holy smokes... folks have been waiting for the rest of that story for more than 5 years...:!: neal john's bladder must have bust by now:biggrin:
hope I'm around to hear the end of it:wow:

Attaboy Bajabus!!!

TacoFeliz - 4-8-2008 at 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by Bajabus
I love fireworks....always have. Now that I know Mr bill hates them I love them even more.

Gato...I sure do miss being down there full time.......sigh.

9 years was a good run, the place has changed quite a bit.

back in early 2002 I started telling a story about one such atomic fireball we did in Baja years earilier....I got to part 3 and was asked to please not finish the story by the parties involved....something about the truckloads of army guys, marines and a small battleship dispatched off our coast after the party still has them a bit spooked.

Here are links to all three posts.....someday I will finish it and tell the full story.

Part I

Part II

Part III





Clearly, this post (and the story it links to) trumps any earlier discussion of silly partiers shooting off bottle rockets and cherry bombs. Fans of fireworks (like me) would be awed by such a fantastic display and the naysayers would hopefully be struck dumb for a while. Sounds like an excellent birthday!

Please please please post Part 4 :lol: :o :spingrin:

Martyman - 4-8-2008 at 04:03 PM

Bajabus;
You da man! When do we get part four? I don't like mr bill either!

Bajabus - 4-8-2008 at 05:08 PM

I will need to ask the people involved if it would be ok now. It has been close to 10 years since the events transpired.

There is enough info in the story to easily identify the folks involved and I have to respect their wishes. If you live in the area you know who they are and you should just drop by for the full story....bring a ballena.