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Fastest Fish

Osprey - 3-31-2008 at 07:39 AM

Yesterday a friend asked me to research "The Fastest Fish" -- he said he thought it was the wahoo, I said I thought it was the tuna. We were wrong. Now I know why I love to hook up those sailfish on light tackle:
Sailfish 68.18 MPH
Mako 60
Marlin 50
Wahoo 48.5
Bluefin 43.4
Blue shark 43
Bonefish 40
Swordfish 40

baitcast - 3-31-2008 at 08:24 AM

I wonder how they were able to measure the speed?

Ive caught several mako,s off the Cal. coast years ago when shark fishin wasn,t as popular as it is today and thought at the time WOW do they haul or what:o,now I know thanks
Rob
Seems high for a Blue shark:rolleyes:

Don Alley - 3-31-2008 at 08:58 AM

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Originally posted by baitcast
I wonder how they were able to measure the speed?


One answer is in this article on fish facts: Fish Facts

[Edited on 3-31-2008 by Don Alley]

Skipjack Joe - 3-31-2008 at 09:34 AM

A fish is hooked. It makes a run. You measure how much line the fish took off the spool in a certain number of seconds, and you can calculate the fish's speed.

Lots of problems with this method IMO. Not all fish react to a hook in the same way.

bill erhardt - 3-31-2008 at 10:29 AM

Maybe this decidedly unscientific method of measurement explains the dubious results. There is no way anybody who has caught all three will be convinced that a sailfish swims faster than a wahoo or a greyhounding blue marlin. The frequency of the shriek of the clicker on a wahoo's initial run or as a marlin peels off the line compared to a relatively anemic sailfish puts the lie to these statistics.

One more faux scientific method

Bronco - 3-31-2008 at 11:09 AM

My ol' man explained to me that first, the boat must be static in the water. Then after the fish makes a run for 1 minute you measure the diameter of the blister on your thumb. DxT/.275 hmmm, I'll need to check the exact equation?

Hook - 3-31-2008 at 12:05 PM

My money is on a 5 lb. dorado being chased by a marlin.

I doubt any fish swims its fastest when it's hooked. No imminent, recognizable danger like a being pursued by a predator.

Skipjack Joe - 3-31-2008 at 12:29 PM

Bonefish are supposed to be some of the fastest fish you'll ever encounter. When I first started fishing I was amazed, as their runs were so fast that they would break me off on the strike, even with a light drag.

In time I discovered that if you used a slip strike and gave slack immediately the fish wouldn't run at all. The run is caused by the sweeping strike of the rod and the resistance of the line. Basically it scares the hell out of it. That's not surprising because the fish feeds in 8 inches of water and is extremely vulnerable from above. It's a bundle of nerves. A shadow from a cloud passing over can cause it to roar off the flat. Any cough or sudden movement gets the same reaction.

So is it really fast or just a nervous wreck to begin with?

Don Alley - 3-31-2008 at 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
A fish is hooked. It makes a run. You measure how much line the fish took off the spool in a certain number of seconds, and you can calculate the fish's speed.

Lots of problems with this method IMO. Not all fish react to a hook in the same way.


And it's the only method I could find. And seeing as how all the different sources give the same info (Sailfish #1), I wonder if all used this same data. To many variables to use just this one method, in one location, in one water temp. I don't think there is a reliable, definitive answer to the question.

tripledigitken - 3-31-2008 at 01:45 PM

The calc in that article is silly.

Yards of line out and time is only valid if the fish moves directly away from the fisherman in a straight line. If the fish moves away at 90 degrees and level for instance, the calculation would be off by over 50%.

Lets say the fish strikes at 100 yds out and the fish moves 100 yds at 90 degrees, only 41 yds of line would be used. The result would show the fish swimming way slower than it actually did.

Ken

Capt. George - 3-31-2008 at 03:33 PM

The fastest fish in the world is any fish that sees Whistlers Fly Rod!

Skipjack Joe - 3-31-2008 at 04:50 PM

Whistler, you know how people complain about the wind a Christmas Island? Messes up their casts, they say. Well, I found that wind can be your friend over there. It agitates the surface so much that those bonefish can't hear the fly drop near them (if you're casting into the wind).

I remember one still evening when bonefish were tailing all around us. You could almost hear them smacking their lips as they worked the bottom. But drop a fly anywhere near them and it looked like rain out there. One group would spook another all the way down for a hundred yards. What looked like perfect conditions was actually pretty tough. That was before I learned to tie flies without the eyes.

Yeah, those trevally are always following you looking for an easy meal. Sometimes you release a bonefish and those big brutes just rush in.

They're some big barracuda on that island also (although I've never seen one). One of the guys was telling me of a six foot fish rushing at him while wading that just stopped inches away before turning. Wet wading took on a different meaning that day ( :lol: ). I can't imagine what that fish was thinking as nothing was being released at the time.

4baja - 3-31-2008 at 05:34 PM

youi talking short burst or sustaind speed?

Capt. George - 3-31-2008 at 08:18 PM

how about the 90 degree turns a bonefish makes at top speed...first time blew my mind..

big bones in the lower keys, had them up to 13 lbs..miss them big time!

gotta go catch some snook (robalo) when ya comin east Whistler?

Yes, but can you outrun a mako shark ...

Skipjack Joe - 3-31-2008 at 10:39 PM

From tonight's homework:

The short-finned mako shark is thought to be the fastest fish. The mako's top speed is about 50 feet per second. Write and solve an equation to find the time it takes a mako to swim 300 feet. Compare your answer with the time it takes the fastest humans to run the same distance (about 10 seconds).

Yahoo search says Indo-Sailfish is fastest.

Pompano - 4-1-2008 at 04:09 AM

The Indo-Pacific Sailfish is an oceanic species that feeds on schooling fishes such as sardines, anchovies and mackerels.

The feeding behaviour has been observed by fishermen as follows: "when one or several sailfish found a school of prey fishes, they began to pursue it at about half speed with their fins half-folded back into the grooves. They then drove at the prey at full speed with their fins completely folded back and once they had caught up with it, they suddenly made sharp turns with their fins fully expanded to confront a part of the school and then hit the prey with the bill.

Subsequently they ate the killed and stunned fish, usually head first."

That's the fastest fish when it is doing it's natural thing....but in the world of angling:

Hook up a sailfish and it loses a lot of speed and power. Hook up a mako and it sustains higher speeds and is infinitely more powerful.

A great race to watch would be this:
a flying fish..being chased by a dorado...being chased by a marlin.

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baitcast - 4-1-2008 at 07:33 AM

While in the navy at sea I spent a great deal of time standing in the bow of the ships I was assigned to and on several occasions saw flying fish come out of the side of a wave with dorado in hot pursuit directly below them and always when the flyer reentered the water the dodo was there waiting,they can move at a pretty good clip also.
Rob

Skipjack Joe - 4-1-2008 at 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by whistler
more challenging without a guide and you learn faster


Absolutely agree with that. In fact, I believe that guides take away some of the pleasure of fishing. I mean spotting bonefish is half the fun. I don't like them pointing out the fish to me. Oh, it was fun the first trip, I suppose.

I feel that way about all fishing. Solving the riddle (e.g. which bug coming off, approriate fly and presentation, direction of approach) is most of the sport. Just reeling a fish in is for youngsters, meat fishermen, and people who really aren't serious about the sport.

Capt. George - 4-1-2008 at 02:16 PM

flies spooking the fish? maybe they seen you? I made eye contact with bonefish an four occasioons, all of them screamed and swam away..

After the first couple dozen bones I caught, my greatest pleasure was poling, spotting and putting novices onto their first bone..too cool.

Of all the fishing I've done, bluegills to giant bluefin, sight casting to bonefish remains my favorite!

Osprey - 4-1-2008 at 07:07 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Quote:
Originally posted by whistler
more challenging without a guide and you learn faster


I feel that way about all fishing. Solving the riddle (e.g. which bug coming off, approriate fly and presentation, direction of approach) is most of the sport. Just reeling a fish in is for youngsters, meat fishermen, and people who really aren't serious about the sport.


Skip, lucky you, you don't have to worry about us cavemen, children, primatives who never learned the real Sport, the artistic arrangement of flow and function. Some of us might be offended by your arrogance if we had larger brains, knew how to be real Sportsmen like you. You stepped over a very deep line in the sand my friend.

Skipjack Joe - 4-1-2008 at 08:40 PM

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Originally posted by Osprey
Quote:
Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Quote:
Originally posted by whistler
more challenging without a guide and you learn faster


I feel that way about all fishing. Solving the riddle (e.g. which bug coming off, approriate fly and presentation, direction of approach) is most of the sport. Just reeling a fish in is for youngsters, meat fishermen, and people who really aren't serious about the sport.


Skip, lucky you, you don't have to worry about us cavemen, children, primatives who never learned the real Sport, the artistic arrangement of flow and function. Some of us might be offended by your arrogance if we had larger brains, knew how to be real Sportsmen like you. You stepped over a very deep line in the sand my friend.


Oh I wouldn't take anything on the internet too seriously, Osprey.

Humble people may appear arrogant. And liars may appear honest.

BajaBruno - 4-1-2008 at 10:02 PM

Well, to diverge a bit from the original post, a mention was made about mako sharks. I have heard from several people that makos are in the SOC, but looking at mako shark tracking data, they never seem to round the corner into the Sea. The satellites don't lie, but maybe it is another population.

Is the Cortez fisherman mistaking another shark for the mako, or are there really makos in the SOC?

baitcast - 4-2-2008 at 06:01 AM

Great thread,did some googleing on the subject and came away with nothing more than we started with!

To get a valid test you would have to get the fish to cooperate to the following.

1 run in a straight line,no turns.
2 run at top speed for say 100 yd,s
3 make sure you don,t jump and so on:lol:

More questions what weight line will we use?

How much pressure do we apply to said line?

The fish would have to be at their best fighting weight,water temp would have to be factored in:rolleyes:

One site I visited did not have the Mako in the top 10?

So after more thinking and reading I came to the conclusion IMHO a valid test could not be set up to being with

The Mako of the Cal. coast generally perfer cooler water than the SOC offers but who knows?
Rob

Pompano - 4-2-2008 at 06:26 AM

BajaBruno.. Personally, I have never caught, or 'postively seen', a mako this far north (off Bahia de Concepcion) into the Sea of Cortez. I have read accounts of it happening. Once, about 10 years ago, I 'thought' we had a mako hook-up on a fast feather while out for tuna...but the strike, jump, and break-off was way to fast for a positive ID. Funny acedote about that event: My visiting buddy from North Dakota saw that shark hit, jump, and bust the line..then turned to me and said.."I don't want to catch anything that big!"

http://topp.org/blog/interview_mako

The makos we do see are the MAKO CC's..nice boats. ;D

Lots of other types here...50-60 different types of sharks and rays....including great whites and threshers. Along this line, a totally new species of shark was discovered in 2003-indentified via DNA in 2006- by a young Mexican marine biologist aboard a research vessel.

Caught in very deep water, the new shark is about 5 feet long and was named, "Mustelus hacat," after the word for shark in a local Indian dialect. Dark in color, like dark coffee, and have white markings on the tips and edges of their fins and tails. This was the first shark discovery in the Sea of Cortez since the tiny Mexican Horn Shark was identified in 1972.


The Mustelus hacat lives in the ocean's depths feeding on shellfish and shrimp. They have very, very small teeth. They are not aggressive or dangerous...and most likely not a very fast fish.

baitcast - 4-2-2008 at 08:04 AM

Mako,s are damn scary critters,I only had a 16" boat at the time and not much free-board so its a up close and personal thing when you land a fish:lol:

We ate the smaller models,very good on the grill by the way but on several occassions hooked some biggies that were really scary,when jumping they may come out and do a 360 or come straight up an land tail first you never knew,did alot of chasing as you might amagine,had a bad habit of jumping very close to the boat:o which was just to much for us to handle mentally,fearsome looking things.

We cut off more than one:lol
Rob

Steve&Debby - 4-2-2008 at 08:48 AM

Wow that must have been a chore fishing out of a 16" boat.:lol::lol::lol:

BajaBruno - 4-2-2008 at 10:09 PM

Thanks Pompano--I always appreciate reading your insight. I checked your link and I must confess, the one fellow does show in the SOC, but it must not be common, because I checked the track of eleven other current makos (plus the ten others shown in your link) and they didn't come close to venturing up into the Sea.

One shark is not a large enough sample to draw conclusions, but clearly some get lost now and again and find their way up into the Fish Trap. Thanks again, Pomp.

AcuDoc - 4-3-2008 at 12:20 AM

I just heard on a fishing show I was watch last week the fasted is the sailfish.

baitcast - 4-3-2008 at 05:45 AM

AcuDoc, glad to see you back,always enjoyed your postings,its been 7 or 8 years I guess,was living in Nine Mile Wa. at the time,looking forward to many more!

Now back to the sailfish and speed trials,just can,t buy a valid test being set up in the first place,to many variables!!
Rob

More google.

Four-wing flying fish 35 mph,I wonder how they got that reading?

Blue shark 43 mph,got to be kidding,these guys are slugs.

Tiger shark number 10 on one list,not built for speed and wrong type of tail.

Tarpon 35 mph spends to much time in the air to get a valid reading I,m thinking.



[Edited on 4-3-2008 by baitcast]

[Edited on 4-3-2008 by baitcast]

AcuDoc - 4-4-2008 at 06:37 PM

tnx baitcast :cool: