BajaNomad - "Just protecting our agents" yeah, right!!

"Just protecting our agents" yeah, right!!

thebajarunner - 5-17-2008 at 11:11 AM

nothing like a little razor wire to promote even better relations with the neighbors...
(Got any idea what that stuff costs? None of us could afford that expense- just Uncle Sugar- wait, aren't we paying for Uncle's bills?)

http://www.latimes.com/news/la-me-wire17-2008may17,0,6915500...

From the Los Angeles Times
Razor-sharp concertina wire installed at U.S.-Mexico border
The U.S. says its use on an eventual 5-mile stretch of existing fence is to protect agents. But critics say it disregards immigrants' safety.
By Richard Marosi
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

May 17, 2008

SAN DIEGO -- — The U.S. Border Patrol is installing razor-sharp concertina wire atop border fencing between San Diego and Tijuana, marking a major shift in approach along a frequently violent stretch of the frontier.

The triple-strand wire, meant to keep smugglers from attacking agents, will stretch five miles when completed this summer -- the longest expanse of this type of wire ever used on the Southwest border.

Federal authorities in the past have avoided using fortifications with such negative symbolism. Hundreds of miles of barriers going up in other areas have had to meet "aesthetically pleasing" federal design standards.

Critics say the new approach is inhumane and could leave illegal immigrants bloodied.

Border officials in San Diego say it was necessary and already is proving effective.

They say they opted to augment the existing fencing with razor wire amid escalating violence across from Colonia Libertad, one of Tijuana's most notorious smuggling enclaves.

The hilly area, roughly between the San Ysidro and Otay Mesa ports of entry, is already one of the most heavily fortified along the Southwest border, with primary and secondary fences, stadium lighting and camera towers.

The area has been the scene of frequent clashes between rock-throwing youths and agents firing pepper spray and tear gas. Despite using tear gas to disperse attackers and improving cooperation with Mexican authorities, U.S. authorities are still being attacked, said San Diego's Chief Patrol Agent Michael J. Fisher.

Fisher drew criticism late last year after his agents began tear-gassing densely populated areas, sending some residents to a hospital. He said the safety of his agents is his top priority.

"We didn't just decide to put up concertina wire," Fisher said. "This is a 1.5-year process on . . . how to make the border safe and secure, and to keep our agents safe from assaults."

So far, about a mile of the concertina wire is up. The installation started in December for a 60-day test period and was expanded in February. The wire runs atop the secondary fence, which sits roughly 50 yards inside the primary fence.

According to the Border Patrol, there were half as many assaults in the five months since the wire went up -- 58, compared with 122 in the five months before the installation.

Illegal entries were also down more than 50% over the same period, from 16,322 to 6,319, according to Border Patrol statistics.

Immigrant rights groups call the new fencing a major move toward border militarization. They say it's not the right solution.

"This is a primitive way of trying to conduct border enforcement," said Pedro Rios, San Diego area program director for the American Friends Service Committee. "Razor-sharp wire isn't going to stop people from coming across, and I doubt it will stop people from throwing rocks."

Enrique marooones, president of the Border Angels, a San Diego-based immigrant rights group, said he thought it would push more illegal immigrants into dangerously remote desert and mountain areas.

"This fence shows a total disregard for human life," said marooones. "What's next? Gun racks with machine guns and bazookas?"

The new tactics are praised by foes of illegal immigration, who frequently call for stricter enforcement. "This is a fence that is in plain view," said Steven Camarota, director of research for the Center for Immigration Studies, which favors curbs on immigration. "One has to keep in mind that the illegal alien trying to enter the U.S. is responsible for his own actions."

Border Patrol officials said they have tried to minimize the dangers of the new wire by lighting the area at night and erecting warning signs in Spanish. They predict that the wire will reduce injuries by serving as a deterrent. In the past, many immigrants have injured legs and ankles jumping from the 17-foot-high barriers.

Since the first concertina wire went up, only one immigrant has been injured by it, officials said. He got tangled up in the wire and was treated for minor injuries and returned to Mexico, officials said.

Concertina wire and regular barbed wire have been used on a limited basis in the past, mostly to fortify ports of entry and other federal facilities along the border. Most of the border fencing going up this year is made of welded wire or steel tubes without any sharp edges.

Fences topped with concertina wire have proved tough to breach, authorities say. Smugglers have tried without success to rip down the new wire by chaining it to a moving car.

Fisher, the Border Patrol chief, said he won't give an inch.

The fence, he said, sends a strong message to smuggling groups that threaten his agents:

"It will be a long battle unless we can show the smugglers that we won't cede the area. Nor will we retreat our position further to the north, and allow them to operate with impunity."

Bajaboy - 5-17-2008 at 11:19 AM

Or we could continue to spend tax payer dollars on ineffective methods. I prefer effective methods myself.

Zac

Cypress - 5-17-2008 at 11:23 AM

Don't blame the Mexicans for crossing into the USA where there are jobs awaiting them.

Expect there'll be a major increase when the fisheries finally collapse. :no:

Razor or any other kind of wire might slow 'em down,but it's not gonna stop 'em.

They're good hardworking people that only want to get a job, earn their pay, and have a life.

fulano - 5-17-2008 at 11:25 AM

Unless your primo Chuey is a coyote, I don't understand what your beef is with the concertina wire.

No, I don't know any coyotes

thebajarunner - 5-17-2008 at 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by fulano
Unless your primo Chuey is a coyote, I don't understand what your beef is with the concertina wire.

But I do know my wife, and she came across that line 33 years ago after her dad died and left 14 kids with no way to feed themselves.
(He had been a very successful rancher, but his sudden death at age 44 ended their ability to support themselves)

She has her own business, pays her taxes, works on a half dozen local charities and is a great credit to our society.

Guess my beef is simply with anyone who has a problem with this :mad:

DENNIS - 5-17-2008 at 11:45 AM

Crossing the border between ports of entry is illegal. Look up that word....illegal... if it isn't clear. I know if I crossed the border between ports of entry and was apprehended, I would be arrested, probably for commiting a felony and my life would turn to crap.

bajaguy - 5-17-2008 at 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Don't blame the Mexicans for crossing into the USA where there are jobs awaiting them They're good hardworking people that only want to get a job, earn their pay, and have a life.

THEN DO IT LEGALLY

Diver - 5-17-2008 at 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by thebajarunner
But I do know my wife, and she came across that line 33 years ago after her dad died and left 14 kids with no way to feed themselves.
(He had been a very successful rancher, but his sudden death at age 44 ended their ability to support themselves)

She has her own business, pays her taxes, works on a half dozen local charities and is a great credit to our society.

Guess my beef is simply with anyone who has a problem with this :mad:

OK so she is a well behaving ILLEGAL.
Why didn't she obtain a legal entry visa ?
Why hasn't she gotten one since ? Or has she ?
Nothing personal, I am just on the LEGAL side of this argument.

About the fence;
Why should anyone worry about someone who is breaking the law, getting hurt while they are breaking the law ?
Why is this even a topic of discussion ??
Liberalism gone amuck !!

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Cypress - 5-17-2008 at 12:01 PM

Dennis, Your point is well taken.

To respect and obey the law is a good thing.

Given the choice between hunger and poverty with no chance to support yourself or your family, what would you do? I expect you'd get past that wire.

DENNIS - 5-17-2008 at 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Dennis, Your point is well taken.

To respect and obey the law is a good thing.

Given the choice between hunger and poverty with no chance to support yourself or your family, what would you do? I expect you'd get past that wire.

Yes, I know I would but, then I would have a different view of US law. That I understand this doesn't mean the law is invalid and should be ignored by those who's duty it is to enforce it. I don't have to enforce the law but, I choose to respect it, on both sides of the border.

The Gull - 5-17-2008 at 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by fulano
Unless your primo Chuey is a coyote, I don't understand what your beef is with the concertina wire.

I don't agree. The fence should be electrified, instead.

fulano - 5-17-2008 at 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by The Gull
I don't agree. The fence should be electrified, instead.

If they electrified the fence, there would be a rat's nest of wires running from the fence into Colonia Libertad, music blaring 24/7...and a brown out in San Diego.

Cypress - 5-17-2008 at 12:27 PM

Dennis, My sentiments also, but lately my respect of the law is tainted by a certain amount of fear. :no:

There's getting to be a whole lot of "law" in the USA.

When you add up the city police, the sheriffs dept., the state police, the border patrol, FBI, DEA, and whoever else is running around enforcing the laws of the land, we're getting a lot of law enforcement.

They have boats, helicopters, drones , dogs, surveillance cameras, and etc. Anybody that willingly breaks the law is either desperate or dumb.

Packoderm - 5-17-2008 at 12:52 PM

It would have worked so much better if a second, informal border was established a mile or so north of the actual border on which to build an effective fence regardless of how scary or ugly. We should be able to do whatever we want on our own turf. The real problem is that we are so darned indecisive on the issue. The ones being hurt the most by all this is the large portion of Mexican citizens living in Mexico who have to live with a social situation that is kept just at below the boiling-over point. There is no real impetus for change. My fear is that Mexico's current social situation is the U.S.'s future social situation. As far as making our current fence effective - where there's a will, there's a way.

DENNIS - 5-17-2008 at 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by Packoderm
It would have worked so much better if a second, informal border was established a mile or so north of the actual border on which to build an effective fence regardless of how scary or ugly. We should be able to do whatever we want on our own turf.

I've mentioned exactly that before. With a defensible perimeter a mile inside the line, we could patrol both sides of it and if anybody got close to it, shame on them. If anybody got over it, shame on us.

Sharksbaja - 5-17-2008 at 03:22 PM

Gee, I guess the next step would be machine gun turrets, no, make that laser turrets. :wow:

Where have I seen that image that conjures up ......????

Hmm.... oh now I remember and it's sadly Baja related.

Hey Pack here's a quick video of Smith.

"The Lucky Sperm Club" is in fine form

thebajarunner - 5-17-2008 at 09:54 PM

Self-congratulatory backpats all around for your mutual brilliance in being born on the right side of the line.

Well played, muchachos!!!

Hang on there podner

Sharksbaja - 5-18-2008 at 12:05 AM

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Originally posted by thebajarunner
Self-congratulatory backpats all around for your mutual brilliance in being born on the right side of the line.

Well played, muchachos!!!

My post was NOT meant to percieved as an endorsement of such, rather a condemnation. I should have put in the wink.

I understand the angst.

btw, that black&white pic is of the Berlin Wall circa 1962

[Edited on 5-18-2008 by Sharksbaja]

Packoderm - 5-18-2008 at 12:50 AM

Lucky sperm Club? If we're going to be generous, would it be pigheaded to include just one group of people, or would we need to open the floodgates to the people from India, China, Sri Lanka, Nigeria, and all the other good people? How many of these people should be allowed in per year? 1 million? 2 million? 15 million? 301 million? Or is there to be a limit to our generousness?

Why are we on the lucky side anyway? Why couldn't their side be a lucky side too? Or did we just give up on them completely?

Capt. George - 5-18-2008 at 03:50 AM

What makes the U.S. the lucky side??

Not much luck involved there, it was through hard work, political involvement and the best "legal" immigrants the world had to offer....

Maybe our friends below the border need to emigrate to Spain? Is it not Spain that was so kind and generous to the native Mexicanos? Still are, aren't they?

Rainer - 5-18-2008 at 04:57 AM

To compare the Berlin Wall (or the former East German Border fortifications) with the US Border or border fortifications is ridiculous. The issues are quite different.

As to why those that come to the US illegally do so, well, while there are quite a few who come here just to work and make a better life for themselves, there are also some that could, and would, harm the US or the the people in it.

Besides, to all the liberals with the open border syndrome, what does illegal mean - is there a valid question with that??

Finally, when there is more lawlessness - isn't it a good thing to have more law?? And we DO NOT have enough law enforcement officers by a long shot. Any idea how many people have to be checked for their legallity to enter? Or, how much cargo does NOT get inspected entering the country?

By the way, I am a legal immigrant and my wife was illegal at first, now legal and we're both US CITIZENS.

Capt. George - 5-18-2008 at 05:29 AM

My great grandfather was an illegal from Ireland, came on his own fishing (sailing) vessel into NY....He got his citizenship through hard work and dedication. On the other side of my liniage, they were from Germany, had to learn to speak "our" language.

Another sore spot for many of us. I, as a part time resident of Mexico, make every effort (at 62) to learn and speak the language of Mexico.

There was no freebees back then for immigrants (legal or not) to take advantage of. Illegals have become a financial burden to the "citizens" of the United States, it's time to put a stop to it.

Not rocket science, just reality.

Sharksbaja - 5-18-2008 at 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by Rainer
To compare the Berlin Wall (or the former East German Border fortifications) with the US Border or border fortifications is ridiculous. The issues are quite different.

As to why those that come to the US illegally do so, well, while there are quite a few who come here just to work and make a better life for themselves, there are also some that could, and would, harm the US or the the people in it.

Besides, to all the liberals with the open border syndrome, what does illegal mean - is there a valid question with that??

Finally, when there is more lawlessness - isn't it a good thing to have more law?? And we DO NOT have enough law enforcement officers by a long shot. Any idea how many people have to be checked for their legallity to enter? Or, how much cargo does NOT get inspected entering the country?

By the way, I am a legal immigrant and my wife was illegal at first, now legal and we're both US CITIZENS.

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Ok, let's see if we can draw a few parallels. A wall with concertina wire, guards with guns along the perimeter.

Nope you're right back, in 1962 they didn't have the infrared motion sensors, the remote cameras and other hi-tech deterents. Nor did they have concertina wire. Of course over the years the Berlin Walls integrity grew with available technology.

What they did have however were people seeking a better life(much like yourself) with people on the other side ready to shoot em or accept them. Liberals and conservatives. :lol:

I think to install that wire only in selected areas is repugnant and adds a visual element of danger and the look of a "police state".
If you really wanted to isolate Mexico we certainly have the resources to do so. Now that's rediculous. :rolleyes:

So inference here is that the wall replete with razor wire is a "conservative" thang? I guess that would mean that they manage the line in the sand. :yes:

Have you changed your position now that you and your wife are legal immigrants? You may sound like a genuine flip-flopping hypocrit to some.
Where do you draw the line? Rather, now you see the wire behind you. Lucky Sperm Club"?

You really will like this one- NOT!!

thebajarunner - 5-18-2008 at 12:58 PM

Here is a column that I wrote for our local newspaper.

Those of you so proud of your inherited citizenship should really like this one....

http://www.modbee.com/opinion/community/story/102435.html

BMG - 5-18-2008 at 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja

Ok, let's see if we can draw a few parallels. A wall with concertina wire, guards with guns along the perimeter.

Nope you're right back, in 1962 they didn't have the infrared motion sensors, the remote cameras and other hi-tech deterents. Nor did they have concertina wire. Of course over the years the Berlin Walls integrity grew with available technology.

What they did have however were people seeking a better life(much like yourself) with people on the other side ready to shoot em or accept them. Liberals and conservatives. :lol:

Huge difference. A wall built to keep illegal aliens from entering any country is much different than a wall built to keep a country's population from leaving that country. I can't remember ever hearing of a West German saying, "Hey, I need a better life. I'm going to head over to East Germany."

Cypress - 5-18-2008 at 01:21 PM

Rainer and BMG, :bounce:

Sharksbaja - 5-18-2008 at 02:59 PM

Whatever. My point was just that they both are walls that separate societies. Granted the wall in Berlin was NOT for immigration rather wasn't it for soverienty and security?
It's the latter that worries me. See the connection?
In this hyper-paranoid US govt mindset, they are convincing people what a threat it is to our security thru terrorism not to have a fortified fence.
Seems that the wire, the fence, the location of it and security in other PC areas is vastly different. That is a joke. There is more than meets the eye imo.

DENNIS - 5-18-2008 at 07:24 PM

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Originally posted by thebajarunner
Here is a column that I wrote for our local newspaper.

Those of you so proud of your inherited citizenship should really like this one....

http://www.modbee.com/opinion/community/story/102435.html

Your heading on this post, which won't accompany the quote, said it wouldn't be appreciated and you are right. It's childish garbage.
What's next? Do you tell the world of a sector of society that robbed 7/11s because they had a burning desire to get ahead? To better their lives?
I'm so sick and tired of hearing this worn out crap about being a nation of immigrants as though that qualifies anybody and everybody to immigrate at will and at their desired point of entry. Your wife is just another of those uninvited guests who came to the party through the back door and never left.
How in hell can you glorify this illegal activity? I know she's your wife and she did a good job but, she broke the law. Just because she's your wife doesn't make it alright but, your error is that you don't see it that way. You see it as, "she's my hard working wife so she's above that law."
You're the problem with your self-righteous justification of only accepting laws which are comfortable for you. Other less convenient laws don't apply.
Nation of immigrants? CRAP. I'm not an immigrant and neither were my parents. I'm worn out with the contention that the world has the same rights in my country as I have simply because they broke the law and ended up on US soil.
Another thing Runner...this isn't a matter of liberal/conservative differences. It's a matter of national pride, something you think is worthless. Shame on you for that.

DENNIS - 5-18-2008 at 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by thebajarunner
Those of you so proud of your inherited citizenship

This clearly illustrates the stupidity of your reasoning. I didn't inherit anything. I was born into it.

BMG - 5-18-2008 at 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Whatever. My point was just that they both are walls that separate societies. Granted the wall in Berlin was NOT for immigration rather wasn't it for soverienty and security?
It's the latter that worries me. See the connection?
In this hyper-paranoid US govt mindset, they are convincing people what a threat it is to our security thru terrorism not to have a fortified fence.
Seems that the wire, the fence, the location of it and security in other PC areas is vastly different. That is a joke. There is more than meets the eye imo.

Sorry, I can't agree with your point. The Berlin wall was a prison wall to subjugate the East German citizens and keep them from fleeing to the west. There was never a security issue about West Berliners attacking East Berlin and the wall wasn't put up to protect the sovereignty of East Germany, the Soviet Union had plenty of military might to ensure that, wall or no wall. How many of the people killed trying to cross no-mans land were shot from the front, not in the back?

As for separating societies, the East Germans and the West Germans were the same society before and then again after the puppet government collapsed. Making an effort to ensure that aliens in the U.S. are there legally will not separate the societies. I believe the lowering of tension and ill feelings towards immigrants will lessen knowing that they are in the U.S. legally.

No, the U.S. wall is not about separating societies. Most countries recognize the right and the need to protect their borders. How many other countries can you think of that have literally had millions of illegal aliens cross their border? We have a wall around our house for the same reason, to help keep out people we don't want in our house. It does have barbed wire on some of, broken bottles and nails on other parts. (Don't have the machine gun turrets completed yet.)

More than meets the eye? I think the wall is a half-assed, knee jerk political reaction to the illegal immigration problem and is not the correct solution for the problem. It will be like the little boy putting his finger in the hole to stop the dike from leaking. But then no one from Homeland Security or the Border Patrol asked me.

DENNIS - 5-18-2008 at 08:30 PM

Walt Disney should have been president of the United States. You should see the wall around Disneyland.

BMG - 5-18-2008 at 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Walt Disney should have been president of the United States. You should see the wall around Disneyland.

Sharksbaja - 5-18-2008 at 09:10 PM

"More than meets the eye? I think the wall is a half-assed, knee jerk political reaction to the illegal immigration problem and is not the correct solution for the problem. It will be like the little boy putting his finger in the hole to stop the dike from leaking. But then no one from Homeland Security or the Border Patrol asked me. "

I agree with this. As far as your analysis of the wall not being used for security I'd have to disagree. The Cold War created large scale Soviet military buildups in E. Germany. I doubt those were to stop fleeing E. Germans. :lol:

from Wiki:

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The East German government claimed that the Wall was an "anti-Fascist protective rampart" ("antifaschistischer Schutzwall") intended to dissuade aggression from the West [6]. Another official justification were the activities of western agents in Eastern Europe [7]. A yet different explanation was that West Berliners were buying out state-subsidized goods in East Berlin. Most of these positions were, however, viewed with skepticism even in East Germany. The construction of the Wall had caused considerable hardship to families divided by it, and the view that the Wall was mainly a means of preventing the citizens of East Germany from entering West Berlin or fleeing was widely accepted.

So what influence do you see on this project from HS? Looks like they've been a big player on all fronts.

Sharksbaja - 5-18-2008 at 09:15 PM

Great Sign! Must be Orange County!

Did you ever visit Disneyland in the 60s? No holes in pants, no long-hairs, tuck in shirt. No shady characters!

That sounds like a North Korean military school! Can you conform?? :lol:

Ah heck, they were all sub-human anyhoo.

BMG - 5-18-2008 at 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja

As far as your analysis of the wall not being used for security I'd have to disagree. The Cold War created large scale Soviet military buildups in E. Germany. I doubt those were to stop fleeing E. Germans. :lol:

from Wiki:

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Your cited quote disputes what you say. The wall was simply to keep East Germans from fleeing. There was no threat from West Berliners attacking. If there was an armed conflict during those troubles times, Soviet tanks would have rumbled right over West Berlin without any problem. Everyone in West Berlin knew that was the case but then maybe they would have been the lucky ones not having to go through a nuclear holocaust as we all started shooting ICBMs at each other.

Don't kid yourself about people facing death in the hopes of escaping the Soviet occupation. Talk to some older Germans, Hungarians, Poles, etc. Wasn't a good time for many countries after WWII that ended up on the wrong side of the line.

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja

So what influence do you see on this project from HS? Looks like they've been a big player on all fronts.

Too much money to play with and no real direction. I think it was one of Bush's biggest mistakes making Homeland Security a cabinet level agency. (Let's not start on Bush bashing.)

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja

Great Sign! Must be Orange County!

Did you ever visit Disneyland in the 60s? No holes in pants, no long-hairs, tuck in shirt. No shady characters!

Grew up in Orange Co. Went to Disneyland all the time. Even dated the daughter of the Monorail's head mechanic.

One trick to get into the special event nights (when a big company like McDonald Douglas rented the entire park for their employees) was to go in early in the day. Then when they would announce the park closing to get ready for the event, we would hide out in Frontierland until the new crowd started showing up. Didn't need any E-tickets then. (I guess that made us illegal guests.)

Never did get turned away at Disneyland but couldn't walk into TJ one time in 1969 because of my ponytail. Oh where has all the time and hair gone?

Sharksbaja - 5-18-2008 at 11:41 PM

Our trick was to hide on Tom Sawyers Island and then we'd break out the stash. We had a ball regardless of their PC attempts. :lol:

West Berlin 1965
I used that E. German reference and my point of view to illustrate the psychological and perhaps violent message expressions like that(wall&wire) make. . There are many points of view on something as prominate as a row of razor wire. It makes a huge statement and I view it as more than a barrier.

When I look at the stuff I wonder if it's not designed for a rabid enemy. Maybe when others look at it they see peace and pink bunnies, how would I know. It's certainly been effective here. :wow:

[Edited on 5-19-2008 by Sharksbaja]

DENNIS - 5-19-2008 at 06:19 AM

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja
"More than meets the eye? I think the wall is a half-assed, knee jerk political reaction to the illegal immigration problem and is not the correct solution for the problem.

I couldn't agree more. On the other hand, Disney's wall made Disneyland the "Happiest Place On Earth" and has kept it that way for fifty years. It's all a matter of who controls what. Either we control our border or Mexico does. It can't be both ways.

BMG - 5-19-2008 at 07:04 AM

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja

There are many points of view on something as prominate as a row of razor wire. It makes a huge statement and I view it as more than a barrier.

When I look at the stuff I wonder if it's not designed for a rabid enemy. Maybe when others look at it they see peace and pink bunnies, how would I know. It's certainly been effective here. :wow:

So you aren't opposed to a wall? Just having razor wire on it?

My wife wants to replace the barbed wired around our house with razor wire. Sure see a lot of it around properties here in La Paz and I haven't seen any evidence of a rabid enemy.

Taco de Baja - 5-19-2008 at 08:53 AM

Despite what Robert Frost really thought, Good fences do make for good neighbors.
And putting razor wire on a fence sure does a good fence.

And despite what it says on the Statue of Liberty, it is not the responsibility of the United States to rescue the poor people of the World; if it were, there would be a couple of Billion people lined up to get in (or already here). The saying really sounds more like a French curse on the US to me.

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Mexico needs another revolution to fix it problems. The US can no longer be Mexico’s safety valve. Mexico has plenty of resources to support itself, if they could be made available to all the people, not the top 0.0001 %.

Good Fences make good neighbors.

Pompano - 5-19-2008 at 09:01 AM

I agree...and it does a lot to support the local economy.

The Great Silk Purse Wall :spingrin:

Gadget - 5-19-2008 at 09:21 AM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Dennis, My sentiments also, but lately my respect of the law is tainted by a certain amount of fear. :no:

There's getting to be a whole lot of "law" in the USA.

They have boats, helicopters, drones , dogs, surveillance cameras, and etc. Anybody that willingly breaks the law is either desperate or dumb.

Bunch of slackers, when are they gonna establish some agencies, buy some equipment and get off their rears and do some real work?

oldlady - 5-19-2008 at 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by BMG

My wife wants to replace the barbed wired around our house with razor wire. Sure see a lot of it around properties here in La Paz and I haven't seen any evidence of a rabid enemy.

Ironically, it's my Mexican friends, who, when they come over, insist that we should do the same. According to them the chain link just doesn't cut it, so to speak.

CaboRon - 5-19-2008 at 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by oldlady

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Ironically, it's my Mexican friends, who, when they come over, insist that we should do the same. According to them the chain link just doesn't cut it, so to speak.

When I lived in La Paz, the rental unit had three strands of barbed wire on top of the wall ... the razor wire was woven thru the barbed wire ... very effective ..

CaboRon

bancoduo - 5-19-2008 at 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by CaboRon

When I lived in La Paz, the rental unit had three strands of barbed wire on top of the wall ... the razor wire was woven thru the barbed wire ... very effective ..

CaboRon

You were in jail cabron. Better ease up on the mushrooms. :lol:

DENNIS - 5-19-2008 at 05:53 PM

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Originally posted by bancoduo

CaboRon

You were in jail cabron. Better ease up on the mushrooms. :lol:

CaboRon - 5-19-2008 at 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by bancoduo

CaboRon

You were in jail cabron. Better ease up on the mushrooms. :lol:

It's funny you should say that ... because there were times when sitting in my patio I wondered the same thing ... who was locked out and who was locked in .. :lol:

CaboRon

Capt. George - 5-20-2008 at 02:51 AM

:lol:

somehow reminds me of canned laughter, how about you?