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Bad Day in Ensenada

BajaWarrior - 6-10-2008 at 03:17 PM

I'm going to say it...

He deserved his punishment!

DENNIS - 6-10-2008 at 03:18 PM

I hope he's the guy that got mine. Sweet justice.

Poor thief. I hope a lot of his hide is missing after being dragged around. What a sight that would have been.

ELINVESTIG8R - 6-10-2008 at 03:22 PM

[Edited on 6-10-2008 by ELINVESTI8]

DianaT - 6-10-2008 at 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by Hose A
Gotta be careful of those female drivers.

Yea, one wonders if she knew what she was doing. je je

Actually, I wonder how he was hanging on and why he didn't let go? And, I really hope he recovers.

Diane

Gadget - 6-10-2008 at 04:41 PM

It actually wasn't too long ago that criminals got PUNISHED for their crime in like kind.
A pound of cat converter for a pound of flesh. Even all around.

I'm glad though, that the perp didn't die. That would have been cruel and unusual.

Tin=Can - 6-10-2008 at 05:01 PM

Damn, and i bet she didn't even hit a speed bump !!!!!

DENNIS - 6-10-2008 at 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hose A
There was just a long news blurb on the local TV news about this incident.
He is 45 years old and was dragged 3 blocks.

He does NOT have any head injury's but his left arm was torn off.
The rest of his body is also in a world of hurt from the asphalt burns.

That's all?

bent-rim - 6-10-2008 at 06:43 PM

Too bad there wasn't a tope on her route.

Bruce R Leech - 6-10-2008 at 08:03 PM

last Saturday in Ensenada a cousin ran out of gas. he walked to the station and got some and when he returned to his car they had stolen his engine.

Bruce R Leech - 6-10-2008 at 08:04 PM

they got my converter also :?:

Yikes, You People

Gypsy Jan - 6-10-2008 at 08:11 PM

I understand the glee that you feel when someone doing wrong gets an immediate dose of karma, but this was a nonviolent crime and the thief has paid in full, with heavy penalties.

The catalytic converter on our Suburban also was stolen when it was in for repairs at the Rosarito body shop. No harm to people, just the pain of paying the replacement cost.

When we talked to locals about the theft, they shrugged and said that this thievery is rampant on both sides of the border - that the chemicals in the converter are used to produce meth?

Ehh, I know nothing about that kind of thing, and I am sure the Noble Nomads know nothing about this, either.

[Edited on 6-11-2008 by Gypsy Jan]

bajaguy - 6-10-2008 at 08:19 PM

Catalytic conveters contain small amounts of platnium and other exotic metals. Junkyards in the US (in Nevada) pay about $8.00US each. Nothing in them used to make meth, well, at least not today.

And the THIEF got what he deserved.

Roberto - 6-10-2008 at 08:42 PM

Jypsy Jan, I agree with you. That makes at least three times this has happened:

1. Dogs
2. That's Amore
3. This

:lol:

Punishment is one thing. Being happy about someone losing an arm (or worse) for stealing a catalytic converter is another.

Roberto, A Usted

Gypsy Jan - 6-10-2008 at 08:52 PM

Thank you for your kind remarks.

Bruce R Leech - 6-10-2008 at 09:50 PM

I cant figure out why but the price down here is 80 to 150 us bucks for 1 converter.

Gadget - 6-11-2008 at 09:14 AM

I am saddened to hear this guy may not survive.

He may pay the ultimate price for his life of crime, but we all have free will to choose our path.

I find no pleasure in knowing the furthur details of this story :no:

Martyman - 6-11-2008 at 01:26 PM

My friends catylitic converter was recently sawed off while we were at a San Francisco Giants game.

aha baja - 6-11-2008 at 02:05 PM

guess his karma ran over his dogma :lol:

aha baja - 6-11-2008 at 02:11 PM

i know this sound simplistic if not down right cruel yet as previously posted we all have choises yet few think of the cosequences.... we all can learn a lesson from this :wow:

Oso - 6-11-2008 at 03:49 PM

If this happened in the States, the guy would hire Geragos to get a huge settlement for him due to her obvious gross negligence in not checking under her car for thieves before driving off.

Gadget - 6-11-2008 at 03:58 PM

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Originally posted by aha baja
i know this sound simplistic if not down right cruel yet as previously posted we all have choises yet few think of the cosequences.... we all can learn a lesson from this :wow:

Ummm, like the ones Leti and I discussed:
roll from under vehicle when feet approach
roll from under vehicle when door opened
roll from under vehicle when door closed
roll from under vehicle when engine starts
roll from under vehicle as it starts to move
lay flat
don't hang on
YELL OUT
let go after a few feet

My Pa-in-law would say this guy passed his stupid test.

aha baja

Gypsy Jan - 6-11-2008 at 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by aha baja
guess his karma ran over his dogma :lol:

Very funny.

fulano - 6-11-2008 at 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Oso
If this happened in the States, the guy would hire Geragos to get a huge settlement for him due to her obvious gross negligence in not checking under her car for thieves before driving off.

Geragos is way too busy to take on that case. He's still driving around Canada trying to serve me with winthy's defamation lawsuit.
:rolleyes:

CaboRon - 6-11-2008 at 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by fulano

Quote:

Geragos is way too busy to take on that case. He's still driving around Canada trying to serve me with winthy's defamation lawsuit.
:rolleyes:

Oh, Yea, Winthy .... Man of many threats .... they come

and they go don't they .......

:lol:

CaboRon

DENNIS - 6-11-2008 at 05:49 PM

I hope he dies in the hospital dumpster after they find out he's allergic to morphine and can't give it to him for fear of a lawsuit.

Iflyfish - 6-11-2008 at 06:10 PM

One down........

I am surprised she wasn't arrested.......odd.

Iflyfish

teadust - 6-14-2008 at 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
When we talked to locals about the theft, they shrugged and said that this thievery is rampant on both sides of the border - that the chemicals in the converter are used to produce meth?

used to BUY meth, perhaps, or at least get some ready cash. This has been going on a while but has really increased the last couple years.

They're valuable because "...catalytic converters contain expensive precious metals like platinum - which is worth up to $1,200 an ounce; palladium, which can fetch $320 an ounce and rhodium, the biggest prize of all. It goes for up to $6,000 an ounce on the market."

"...Selling stolen converters to scrap yards or recyclers, a thief can net a couple of hundred dollars apiece.

Exactly how much depends on the size of the car and its converter. But even a little bit is worth a lot. Converter thefts are the quickie crime du jour, not only in Chicago, where workers in auto body shops and other experts say it is increasingly a nuisance, but anywhere cars are, which is to say basically everywhere.

“These are definitely occurring more than they have in recent memory, and why that is is definitely tied to the price of precious metals within converters,” said Frank Scafidi, spokesman for the National Insurance Crime Bureau."

"...Thefts of catalytic converters have been logged in the last month in Los Angeles, Pasadena, the Bay Area and Sacramento. Arrests have been reported from Seattle to Virginia, near Pittsburgh, in the Maryland suburbs of Washington, D.C., and in Tennessee, where the Highway Patrol busted a thief cutting converters from cars impounded in one of its own lots."

Catalytic Converters Become Hot Part for Thieves (Tribune-Review)

Catalytic Converter Theft Warning for Cars (citynews.ca)

Thieves Leave Cars, but Take Catalytic Converters (NY Times)

The story of this dragging incident really creeps me out. The man certainly seems to have passed "the stupid test" but he hadn't harmed her or her loved ones, or even threatened her. What a horrible thing for a person to go through - if he even makes it.

And I wonder how the driver feels now. I know I'd be having nightmares.

In cases of non-violent crimes like this I always wish the perp just got his hands superglued togther, with "Poor Impulse Control" tattooed to his forehead, then dumped in a public plaza til the cops collect him.

beachbum1A - 6-14-2008 at 06:52 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
I hope he's the guy that got mine. Sweet justice.

I hope he's the one who ripped of mine too Dennis! Toyota wanted $550. for a replacement and an after market was ONLY $350.! Wonder what the theives get for one?

DENNIS - 6-14-2008 at 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by beachbum1A
I hope he's the guy that got mine. Sweet justice.

I hope he's the one who ripped of mine too Dennis! Toyota wanted $550. for a replacement and an after market was ONLY $350.! Wonder what the theives get for one?

Don't have any idea, Bruce. I went online and got a new one for $120 and since it was a bolt-on, it went on quickly. The problem now is that they also got two oxygen sensors that were attached to the convertor so I'll have to deal with that before it will pass smog again.

bacquito - 6-14-2008 at 10:07 AM

I did not realize that the converters were of interest! kinda unnerve

ving

oladulce - 6-14-2008 at 10:45 AM

pardon the detour but -

Teadust:

Your nomad identity/location - "the ether" ??

And your thoughts seemed so clear...

DENNIS - 6-14-2008 at 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by grover
I guess the lesson is leave your bolt-on in the garage until it's time for smog.

I would but, it's really noisy.

durrelllrobert - 6-15-2008 at 09:51 AM

Quote:

Toyota wanted $550. for a replacement and an after market was ONLY $350.! Wonder what the theives get for one?

Mine were not stolen but had to replace them to pass smog. The GMC dealer wanted $850 for the pair so I bought 2 after market ones at Pep Boys for $70 each and the mofle shop in Maneadaro only charged me $25 to install them. Of course they also sold the scrap precious metals for mas dinero.

BajaGringo - 6-15-2008 at 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gadget
I am saddened to hear this guy may not survive.
He may pay the ultimate price for his life of crime, but we all have free will to choose our path.
I find no pleasure in knowing the furthur details of this story :no:

What the guy did was wrong and he should pay a price for his crime. The price should be in line with the crime. I take no pleasure in knowing that he pay with his life for removing something to generate a few dollars. He might have been a junkie looking for his next fix, an alcoholic needing a drink or simply someone who hadn't eaten in a day. I don't know and don't find it relevant.

I am sure that the majority of you here are all law abiding citizens who have never served time, never been arrested, never committed a crime, always paid every single penny of taxes that were due, including if you are living in Baja you are reporting every cent of your Mexican income as required by IRS guidelines.

And I know that you all have paid every cent of duty owed at the border when crossing for that which you carried, both entering and leaving Mexico. No Baja Nomad would dare violate that sacred law.

I respect you for that. In fact I stand up and applaud you for that. I wish I could join you up on that stage but if I take an honest look at my life I am afraid that I have to admit that I have not been quite so perfect in my life conduct.

In paying for where I have erred I can only hope that I do not have to pay such a high price for what I did nor become the joke of an online forum. It is what it is. He did something wrong and paid a very high price. It is tragic in many ways from my perspective...

[Edited on 6-15-2008 by BajaGringo]

bancoduo - 6-15-2008 at 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaGringo

I am sure that the majority of you here are all law abiding citizens who have never served time, never been arrested, never committed a crime, always paid every single penny of taxes that were due, including if you are living in Baja you are reporting every cent of your Mexican income as required by IRS guidelines.

And I know that you all have paid every cent of duty owned at the border when crossing for that which you carried, both entering and leaving Mexico. No Baja Nomad would dare violate that sacred law.

Jeez, I flunked every part of that test. :lol:

[Edited on 6-15-2008 by bancoduo]

BajaGringo - 6-15-2008 at 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bancoduo
Jeez, I flunked every part of that test. :lol:

Glad to know that I am not alone...

Woooosh - 6-15-2008 at 11:50 AM

I agree that the injuries sustained were worse than the crime- but have to "second" the notion that the guy passed the "stuck on stupid" test. It was time for him to get out from underneath when he knew the owners had returned, entered or at last chance started the vehicle. At least he's out of the gene pool.

BajaGringo - 6-15-2008 at 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
I agree that the injuries sustained were worse than the crime- but have to "second" the notion that the guy passed the "stuck on stupid" test. It was time for him to get out from underneath when he knew the owners had returned, entered or at last chance started the vehicle. At least he's out of the gene pool.

No question about that. Unfortunately many who struggle with addictions are not acting in their "right minds". Glad to know that you have never been guilty of doing anything dumb when extremely drunk or under the effects of some other mind altering chemical. I would wager that there might be one or two here that might admit to some extremely stupid behavior under the effects of some mind altering chemical - alcohol or other.

I will be the first...

[Edited on 6-15-2008 by BajaGringo]

JaraHurd - 6-15-2008 at 12:01 PM

I generally agree with you Baja G...but..I am fed up with giving ANY sympathy to people who "struggle with their addictions." The recidivism rate of, for example, narcotics offenders, is off the charts. A law abiding, tax-paying person where I work was stabbed several times (many to say the least) a few months ago by a "non-violent" drug offender. Substance abusers put themselves (and OTHERS) in high-risk situations. He screwed up and paid dearly. It brings me no joy...but I will shed no tears for him either. By the way, my father is a recovering alcoholic....I hold him to the same standard.

BajaGringo - 6-15-2008 at 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by JaraHurd
I generally agree with you Baja G...but..I am fed up with giving ANY sympathy to people who "struggle with their addictions."

I hear what you are saying and I hope that in no way I gave the impression that we should just look the other way. In fact I am a big proponent of longer/life jail sentences for perps who prove that they cannot be reformed and are solely committed to an ongoing life of crime. It just needs to be proportional if we are going to ever really become a truly just and fair society.

I am sorry about your father and I do understand of what you speak. It is a sad reality of life and I just recently wrote a related story...

Baja Healing

Maybe there is something there that you can grab onto in some way.

Good luck to you...

JaraHurd - 6-15-2008 at 12:34 PM

I think we are fairly close to being on the same page. My father has been "sober" for the past 20 years. If he wasn't I would support him. I would also expect the full force and effect of the law to apply to him. Thought provoking honest posts are healthy. I am all for rehabilitation. I am all for second chances. I am also for firm, just punishment. Although what the peson who is the subject of this poast did is irksome and inconvenient, he did not deserve the physical trauma that resulted in his current condition (is he deceased??). However, the victim did not do anything to this person intentionally so he brought it upon himself. I suspect that you don't understand why anyone would make fun of what happened to him. I am there with you. But it has taken YEARS of maturity and experience to get me to where I am today. ....I will now read you article..thanx for providing it. ....j

BajaGringo - 6-15-2008 at 12:40 PM

Life is a process and I am on that same learning path myself. I have come a long way yet I know that I still have a ways to go in trying to figure this whole thing about what true balance in life really means. Talking about it is a great way to get there and as long as we can have a civil and thought provoking discussion we can all learn as well as develop a new appreciation for others experiences.

In the process we get to know each other better and perhaps a good friendship or two will result - even if we don't always share the same point of view. That is not only OK, that makes life a little more interesting in my book.

[Edited on 6-15-2008 by BajaGringo]

teadust - 6-15-2008 at 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by oladulce
pardon the detour but -

Teadust:

Your nomad identity/location - "the ether" ??

And your thoughts seemed so clear...

It's not the wacky "sniff-and-get-woozy" ether, although I suspect I'd probably enjoy that...

Lately I prefer the thought of floating/traveling around floating through the ether rather than where I really am, which is: sitting here shivering in Seattle! We had snow in April. Twice! The coldest May in the state's history. Temps running below normal in June; local newscasters are calling it "Junuary" and regaling us with tidbits like the fact Sibera has been warmer than here. Work schedule currently doesn't allow a run for the border, and it's making me a wee bit cranky.

sloopy - 6-16-2008 at 07:40 AM

I agree with soulpatch. Any crime hurts us all, one way or the other. I, too, have been a victim...even had a small gun placed at my forehead and thought it was going to be the last thing I saw.
I have no pity what so ever for criminals and wrongdoers, schemers, scam artists, crooked cops or politicians.
I'm sorry but anyone doing anything even like the fellow described above gets exactly what he deserves.
Yes, it happens on both sides of the border as crime has no bounderies.
I have a friend whose cousin is serving a life sentence for a murder. He was with a group of young punk kids in which one of them decided to beat up and rob another young kid. Things got out of hand and the kid died.Just because he was there with them, he got charged as if he actually did it. He's served 22 years so far and was 18 when he went in. What a waste of a life. He was a regular teenage kid, just had some bad friends he hung out with and now he's paying for it. Never listened to his parents or relatives, just wanted to "do his own thing."
I've not seen him since he went in but I'll bet a dollar to a donut he's sorry he went out that night with his so-called friends. You reap what you sow, as they say. Literally killed his folks, too, as you can see the pain and sorrow in their eyes all the time.

bacquito - 6-16-2008 at 06:25 PM

In reading some of these threads it seems to me that there is an attempt to associate what the crook did and "punishment". He tried to rob somebody of their property and got stuck underneath the car-an accident and not punishment.
However, I have no pity for the ratero.

Forgiveness

Gypsy Jan - 6-16-2008 at 08:19 PM

OK, I can't believe that I am wading back into this pool of testosterone vengeance.

None of you have been personally hurt by this person - you are just expressing your own set of values and wishes for repurcussions.

Do you really want to go the the hospital to rip off the other arm of this thief?

Somebody we all are acquainted with forgave a thief as he was dying.

Sermon over.

[Edited on 6-17-2008 by Gypsy Jan]

JaraHurd - 6-16-2008 at 08:58 PM

Gypsy Jan ...in rereading this thread I am tempted to slap myself. Why am I wasting my time? I go to Baja Nomad to read such silliness? Some of the responses are simply ridiculous. But what do u expect from a relatively anonymous public website? I guess people are just venting. I interview criminals every day. I too have been a victim of several violent crimes but have not lost my humanity..atleast not yet. It takes a lot of patience to remain this way, however. Just understand that the majority of people are fairly decent and level-headed. The majority. .....

Skeet/Loreto - 6-17-2008 at 04:42 PM

Yes I would Forgive him!

Faith Hope and Charity with a little Kindness and caring might have prevented this person from being a Criminal?

Eye for and Eye, sometimes seems Cruel but in Gods Nature the Survival of the Fitest is always there.

I forgave all those that I Thought had done bad things to me many years ago.
Tough, but one of the best things I ever did.

Anon the Preacher

DENNIS - 6-17-2008 at 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Yes I would Forgive him!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. What a freakin joke. It didn't happen to you, Skeet. Let's see all this Christian nonsense come alive when it does.

OOOOh Yeah..He was just a misguided soul. He deserves compassion and forgivness. He's needy. He's on drugs and can't be considered responsible. It's our fault. He needs our understanding. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHEHEHAHAJEJEJEHAHA H-effingA.

All of you bleeding hearts should send your commie contributions to the Ninth District Court of appeals In SF.

Why is it that when GWB obliterates a culture and you say nothing, you will castigate anybody here for supporting real justice? What is your problem?
I'll tell you what it is.......You havn't the spheres to confront what is ruining our lives. You are the problem because you won't protect yourselves. Theives and scoundrals will continue to practice their trade because of you who won't take a hard line toward self protection. Shame on you for that. You get what you allow.

CaboRon - 6-17-2008 at 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Yes I would Forgive him!

Thank you Dennis , he got what he deserved and what he asked for.

CaboRon

JaraHurd - 6-17-2008 at 06:42 PM

The saying "Get a life" comes to mind. Is Mexico really that boring?

gibson - 6-17-2008 at 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JaraHurd
The saying "Get a life" comes to mind. Is Mexico really that boring?

well put. keep in mind the combination of OLD and PI$$ED OFF is not a healthy combination.

CaboRon - 6-17-2008 at 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gibson

Quote:

Originally posted by JaraHurd
The saying "Get a life" comes to mind. Is Mexico really that boring?

well put. keep in mind the combination of OLD and PI$$ED OFF is not a healthy combination.

Neither is YOUNG and STUPID ... :lol:

JaraHurd - 6-17-2008 at 06:57 PM

I am neither young nor stupid. It is amazing how consistently negative the posts from supposedly tenured members of this website are. I suppose you must believe that your age justifies the disrespect you spew. Whatever. I have earned my opinion and although far from liberal, I try to keep a level-head. Being old and bitter is too easy but an absolute turn-off. Someone once told me that anger consumes atleast half of its own poison. That's obviously not true..or maybe you both are absolute medical miracles! Congrats..

CaboRon - 6-17-2008 at 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JaraHurd
I am neither young nor stupid. It is amazing how consistently negative the posts from supposedly tenured members of this website are. I suppose you must believe that your age justifies the disrespect you spew. Whatever. I have earned my opinion and although far from liberal, I try to keep a level-head. Being old and bitter is too easy but an absolute turn-off. Someone once told me that anger consumes atleast half of its own poison. That's obviously not true..or maybe you both are absolute medical miracles! Congrats..

I called you young... because you called me old... in fact I am probably younger than you ... and keep your judgemental crap to yourself.

CaboRon

Aventurera - 6-17-2008 at 07:16 PM

Okay, does anyone know if this supposed incident even really happened? I read both Frontera and El Mexicano every day online and saw no reports of this incident...and God knows those papers looooove to report that kind of news. I also went to El Vigia and looked for a report there but found nothing.

So I'm thinking this might be a case of much ado about nothing!

[Edited on 6-18-2008 by Aventurera]

JaraHurd - 6-17-2008 at 07:22 PM

I think I intimated that you might be tenured..not old. At any rate, go to the video store and rent or buy the movie The Bucket List. You probably won't get a lot out of the movie...but might find it entertaining nevertheless.

CaboRon - 6-17-2008 at 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aventurera
Okay, does anyone know if this supposed incident even really happened? I read both Frontera and El Mexicano every day online and saw no reports of this incident...and God knows those papers looooove to report that kind of news. I also went to El Vigia and looked for a report there but found nothing.

So I'm thinking this might be a case of much ado about nothing!

[Edited on 6-18-2008 by Aventurera]

The origingal post that started this thread was by joseA, who is well connected to the police (think he has relatives that are police).

Not everything makes it to the funny papers.

DENNIS - 6-17-2008 at 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JaraHurd
It is amazing how consistently negative the posts from supposedly tenured members of this website are.

What does it matter to you how negative other posts are. They express an opinion. If you don't agree, say so but, don't b-tch about opinions you dont like because you don't like them. Put up a counter-point. I'm sure you'll have the discussion you want.

JaraHurd - 6-17-2008 at 08:04 PM

Nice language. It's your world "select" and "super" nomads. Enjoy it. There really is no discussion here..atleast not a constructive one. My last addition to this thread are the lyrics to one of my favorite songs: The Sunscreen Song..

Everybody's Free
(to wear sunscreen)
Mary Schmich
Chicago Tribune

Ladies and Gentlemen of the class of '97... wear sunscreen.
If I could offer you only one tip for the future, sunscreen would be IT.

The long term benefits of sunscreen have been proved by scientists whereas the rest of my advice has no basis more reliable than my own meandering experience.

I will dispense this advice now.

Enjoy the power and beauty of your youth. Never mind. You will not understand the power and beauty of your youth until they have faded. But trust me, in 20 years you'll look back at photos of yourself and recall in a way you can't grasp now how much possibility lay before you and how fabulous you really looked.

You are NOT as fat as you imagine.

Don't worry about the future; or worry, but know that worrying is as effective as trying to solve an algebra equation by chewing bubblegum. The real troubles in your life are apt to be things that never crossed your worried mind; the kind that blindside you at 4pm on some idle Tuesday.

Do one thing every day that scares you.

Sing.
Don't be reckless with other people's hearts, don't put up with people who are reckless with yours.

Floss.
Don't waste your time on jealousy; sometimes you're ahead, sometimes you're behind. The race is long, and in the end, it's only with yourself.

Remember compliments you receive, forget the insults; if you succeed in doing this, tell me how.

Keep your old love letters, throw away your old bank statements.

Stretch.
Don't feel guilty if you don't know what you want to do with your life. The most interesting people I know didn't know at 22 what they wanted to do with their lives, some of the most interesting 40 year olds I know still don't.

Get plenty of calcium.

Be kind to your knees, you'll miss them when they're gone.

Maybe you'll marry, maybe you won't, maybe you'll have children, maybe you won't, maybe you'll divorce at 40, maybe you'll dance the funky chicken on your 75th wedding anniversary. Whatever you do, don't congratulate yourself too much or berate yourself, either. Your choices are half chance, so are everybody else's. Enjoy your body, use it every way you can. Don't be afraid of it, or what other people think of it, it's the greatest instrument you'll ever own.

Dance. Even if you have nowhere to do it but in your own living room.

Read the directions, even if you don't follow them.

Do NOT read beauty magazines, they will only make you feel ugly.

Get to know your parents, you never know when they'll be gone for good.

Be nice to your siblings; they are your best link to your past and the people most likely to stick with you in the future.

Understand that friends come and go, but for the precious few you should hold on. Work hard to bridge the gaps in geography in lifestyle because the older you get, the more you need the people you knew when you were young.

Live in New York City once, but leave before it makes you hard; live in Northern California once, but leave before it makes you soft.

Travel.
Accept certain inalienable truths, prices will rise, politicians will philander, you too will get old, and when you do you'll fantasize that when you were young prices were reasonable, politicians were noble and children respected their elders.

Respect your elders.

Don't expect anyone else to support you. Maybe you have a trust fund, maybe you'll have a wealthy spouse; but you never know when either one might run out.

Don't mess too much with your hair, or by the time you're 40, it will look 85.

Be careful whose advice you buy, but, be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth.

But trust me on the sunscreen.

....tis all..you two won't enjoy the lyrics..but I bet some readers will.

DENNIS - 6-17-2008 at 08:08 PM

BYE BYE

toneart - 6-17-2008 at 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Yes I would Forgive him!

Dennis, Dennis, Dennis!

Sometimes you can be objective and sometimes you spout archaic cliches.......sometimes in the same post. The debate here seems to be between the people who want to see crime punished, even though it may be inadvertent and greater that the crime committed. And on the other hand, those whose sensitivities don't allow joy over another's misfortune, no matter that he is a thief (criminal).

Why do you have to equate the latter to "commies"? First of all, Communists in the USA were an ineffectual political party whose numbers were in the way way small minority. They were no real threat to anybody. They were not representatives of the Democrat Party, or even Hollywood Celebrities. The Communist Threat in the USA was manufactured by the ultra right wing; Birchers and Hearst yellow journalism, Joseph McCarthy and his suck-up kiss ass, Nixon. The rhetoric has been perpetuated by mindless parrots who have been duped by vehement (and now mostly dead) zealots.

I could respect your opinion regarding the debate (poetic justice vs. the compassionate) even though I don't share it . But, you lose respect with me, and I suspect others, when you equate sensitivity with politics, or worse Communists! What's up wit dat :?:

Sure, Skeet's perspective is framed in Christianity ( implied, not stated). How does that make him a "Commie"? Get a grip, man. Skeet was a career law enforcement officer. You are confusing your party line alignments and mixing your metaphors. And I doubt Skeet would agree with my politics, but he is smart enough to not accuse, or even think that I am a Communist. He gave an honest and heartfelt opinion on the topic. You had that chance too, Dennis, but you blew it.

BTW, I have had plenty to say about GWB, Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld, Perleman, Wolfowitz and the rest of the PNAC obliterating and murdering a culture . I will stand up and defend myself and the Republic for which I stand. You know the crap I have drawn in Off Topic by the bottom dwellers there. :fire:

toneart - 6-17-2008 at 08:44 PM

Jarahurd!

Huh??? :?:

[Edited on 6-18-2008 by toneart]

Skeet/Loreto - 6-17-2008 at 10:12 PM

Dennis: You must be ;
Off your Meds
Drunk
DOPED Up
Or somebody forgot to change your Diaper??

My words , no way justified what that individual did, or for that Matter any other criminal, Lockem up, throw away the Key, make them weasr Pink Panties.

When you spend your Life "Hating" every thing you do not agree with, you become a Dullard Howard Dean is a Good Examp[le.

This Country is going through a Tough time, but it will Survive. Why??
Because of many of the Breakdown of our Culture starting with the 60"s If it feels good, do It" attitude.

DOPE

Family seperation of Children

The teaching of the Young College Student other than FACTS{ Liberal College Profs who only read Books and never experience Life}

I worked in South Central La as well as Hollywood-Hollywood has the most Physical, Mental, Degenerate People in the World. South Central was the Tougest, but you knew where you where placed-White or Black or Asian.

I am still have trouble Forgiving the Muslim Mothers who send their Children to death with Sucide Bomb.

"If Roberta had Balls, we would haved called her "Uncle Robert"

Skeet/Loreto

CaboRon - 6-18-2008 at 06:55 AM

Is there a topic ???

ELINVESTIG8R - 6-18-2008 at 07:08 AM

Maybe this will help.