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Ensenada suffers severe impact from tax imposed on cruise lines

fulano - 6-26-2008 at 11:38 PM

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With this new tax each passenger must pay 5 dollars or 56 pesos

Jorge Lecona, director for Mexico and Latin America port operator Hutchinson Port Holdings (HPH), said that the new cruise line tax, which was established in December 2007, and which requires each passenger to pay 5 dollars or 56 pesos at the port of Ensenada has had a very strong impact.

"It's very bad, and is discouraging the arrival of passengers, indeed in Ensenada in October 50% of our market stopped coming.

This is because one of the two cruise lines (Carnival Cruise Lines and Royal Caribbean) decided to not come to that port. The director preferred not to identify the company, as they are in negotiations to have them return.

Lecona elaborated that the port received approximately 250,000 passengers per year but estimated that with this development will achieve only 125,000.

"There are countries that offer money to get cruise lines, as the Caribbean islands. (...) The cruise lines were very insistent that this be reviewed, there were a lot of requests to reconsider the issue, but the tax was initiated. That creates a very big problem for us because the end result is we lose 50% of the market."

According to the latest reform to the Federal Law of Rights (in December 2007), 80% of what is collected goes to the municipality and the remaining 20% is for the National Immigration Institute.


http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/517806.html

OK, so let's work this out. Say each passenger spends $50. So by imposing the tax, the government gets $5 times 125,000 passengers, or $625,000. But the economy loses $50 times 125,000 passengers, or $6,250,000.

These guys can join ******* team as financial advisors.
:lol:

[Edited on 7-2-2008 by BajaNomad]

Woooosh - 6-26-2008 at 11:55 PM

Mexico is Stuck on Stupid. I'm going to make that my tag line...

rhintransit - 6-27-2008 at 05:40 AM

this is unconfirmed, but I have heard that Loreto has also tried adding a tax. and that Holland America has decided not to visit after the 2009 season. if true, more brilliant thinking...

woody with a view - 6-27-2008 at 05:43 AM

BRILLIANT!!!!:light:

CaboRon - 6-27-2008 at 06:07 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
Mexico is Stuck on Stupid. I'm going to make that my tag line...


Now THAT is an understatement !

At every level, the attitude seems to be screw the customer today rather than think of the future.

The cruise line that is pulling it's Ensanada stop is Royal Carribian, and Holland America moving toward the cancellation of it's Sea of Cortez landings on the Ryndam.

Yes, thank you for this new national motto ....

S T U C K ON S T U P I D

CaboRon

movinguy - 6-27-2008 at 06:08 AM

No society has ever taxed its way into prosperity . . . :light:

oldlady - 6-27-2008 at 06:08 AM

Fulano,
I've taken Royal Carribean's cruise...twice. Both times with a bunch of women (read shoppers). Based on this anecdotal experience and watching the armloads of shopping bags almost every passenger carried back on board, I would say your "guesstimate" was conservative.
Somehow taxation never seems to work out as planned, does it?

DENNIS - 6-27-2008 at 06:30 AM

Just like other mistakes made, when the damage is done, Mexico will look around and say,"What happened"? Then, they will put it back the way it was.

Woooosh - 6-27-2008 at 01:12 PM

On the bright side, it's only screwing the least desireable of ports of call. I wouldn't pay $5 to get off in Ensenada either if I knew Los Cabos and Puerto Vallarta were just a day away. The best ports of call will still get the tourist dollars and it will still wind up in Mexico- just not in Ensenada, No?

Woooosh - 6-27-2008 at 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by CaboRon
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Originally posted by Woooosh
Mexico is Stuck on Stupid. I'm going to make that my tag line...


Now THAT is an understatement !

At every level, the attitude seems to be screw the customer today rather than think of the future.

The cruise line that is pulling it's Ensanada stop is Royal Carribian, and Holland America moving toward the cancellation of it's Sea of Cortez landings on the Ryndam.

Yes, thank you for this new national motto ....

S T U C K ON S T U P I D

CaboRon


Thanks CaboRon. Sadly I got the tagline from a conversation with a narco. He clearly knew the shortfalls of his home country and his english was good enough to express it in those three words- Stuck On Stupid.

Udo - 6-27-2008 at 01:46 PM

Ensenada is trying to follow in the footsteps of the airport authorities in Mexico, where you get taxed when you leave the country.

Woooosh - 6-27-2008 at 02:58 PM

A lot of countries make you pay to exit at airports these days. I think Argentina charged us like $50 each and it had to be in cash. I don't know what would happen if you arrived at the airport flat broke.

Dooes Esenada even have the option of opting-out of the $5 surcharge or is a national law with no exceptions? Just wondering.

[Edited on 6-27-2008 by Woooosh]

bacquito - 6-27-2008 at 08:23 PM

I read recently where Ensenada is complaining about the $2000.00 (American)/month upkeep on the Rotary Tower. I too have heard that one of the cruise lines will no longer dock in Ensenada and I believe they will cease operations in Ensenada in October

CaboRon - 6-27-2008 at 08:42 PM

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I read recently where Ensenada is complaining about the $2000.00 (American)/month upkeep on the Rotary Tower. I too have heard that one of the cruise lines will no longer dock in Ensenada and I believe they will cease operations in Ensenada in October


What is the Rotary Tower ?

fulano - 6-27-2008 at 08:47 PM

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What is the Rotary Tower ?



bajaguy - 6-27-2008 at 08:50 PM

What can they do to it for $2000 a month??? For that you could get someone to yell out the time every 15 minutes.

Sharksbaja - 6-28-2008 at 01:05 AM

:lol: More like every minute!

Joke:

Q: What did the clock tower say to the cruise ship? :?:

A: Embark at stupid o'clock...........................please! :P

DENNIS - 6-28-2008 at 06:30 AM

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What is the Rotary Tower ?


I've never seen this thing give the correct time since they built it.
2000 pesos, maybe. Certainly not dollars. Then again, maybe the payroll system is screaming for an audit.

They just voted a 90-day delay in the $5 head tax

fulano - 7-1-2008 at 01:44 AM

Wait until you find out why:

It seems they had set up for this new tax to be collected by the Instituto Nacional de Migración (INM) located at each port in the country. They were actually going to have the passengers file off the boats and form a line at the INM and have each passenger plunk down his $5.

Well, apparently, somebody just found out that the average cruise ship disembarks about 1,800 passengers at a time and it would take hours for them to collect the money while the passengers waited in line. So they delayed the whole thing while they rethink it.

I just had this hilarious image of this immigration official -- you know, the guy in the khaki uniform with his belly hanging over his belt and a pencil-thin moustache -- sitting there at an old wooden desk with a No. 2 pencil, a rubber stamp and a pad of receipts -- filling these forms out one-by-one and then stamping them, with 1,800 people in the line.

:lol:

http://elvigia.net/noticias/?seccion=generales&id=44406

surfer jim - 7-1-2008 at 07:18 AM

Or maybe he could just write 1 or 2 receipts and put the other 1798 $5 dollar bills in his pockets......it would move the line along faster.....:rolleyes:

bajamigo - 7-1-2008 at 08:18 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
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Originally posted by fulano
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Originally posted by CaboRon
What is the Rotary Tower ?


I've never seen this thing give the correct time since they built it.
2000 pesos, maybe. Certainly not dollars. Then again, maybe the payroll system is screaming for an audit.


It actually gives the correct time to the second at least twice a day. If you want to see for yourself, leave Anthony's a little early and be at the Tower at 1:20.

bajaguy - 7-1-2008 at 08:21 AM

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Originally posted by bajamigo

It actually gives the correct time to the second at least twice a day. If you want to see for yourself, leave Anthony's a little early and be at the Tower at 1:20.




AM or PM?????

DENNIS - 7-1-2008 at 08:41 AM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
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Originally posted by bajamigo

It actually gives the correct time to the second at least twice a day. If you want to see for yourself, leave Anthony's a little early and be at the Tower at 1:20.




AM or PM?????


Inside Anthony's, it's all the same. Atmosphere control.