BajaNomad - Where to get Turtle Soup in Baja?

Where to get Turtle Soup in Baja?

Lee - 6-29-2008 at 10:59 AM

At least 1 La Paz gringa believes that turtle soup is (probably) available in restaurants -- just for the asking.

Anyone know of ''soup'' being served ''under the table'' in Ensenada, or TJ, or La Paz?

Or is this a ''dirty little secret?''

Bruce R Leech - 6-29-2008 at 11:08 AM

do you think someone could be dumb enough to Answer that on the Internet? :lol:

[Edited on 6-29-2008 by Bruce R Leech]

Pescador - 6-29-2008 at 11:10 AM

No they made it illegal so it is being served nowhere in Baja. It is just exactly the same as drugs and I have it on good authority that there are no more drugs being used in Baja since they were declared illegal.

Cypress - 6-29-2008 at 12:34 PM

Most people, myself included, wouldn't be able to tell the difference between various chunks of pork, goat, lamb, beef, etc. from turtle. :tumble:

Something about eating endangered species sorta spoils my appetite. :no:

DENNIS - 6-29-2008 at 12:39 PM

Who would know for sure what they're eating since everything tastes like chicken...........except bad chicken.

Naming names

Lee - 6-29-2008 at 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Most people, myself included, wouldn't be able to tell the difference between various chunks of pork, goat, lamb, beef, etc. from turtle:

Don't need a literal list of restaurants -- just a general idea, for example, in Ensenada?

Don't think ''outing'' a restaurant in BCN constitutes ''whistle blowing,'' does it?

Anyone consider eating turtle a ''big'' problem? Small?

DENNIS - 6-29-2008 at 12:44 PM

ahhhh, Lee..........Take that little guy off that spoon. What kinda Buddhist are you?

TonyC - 6-29-2008 at 12:46 PM

You guys are sick.... :lol:

Cypress - 6-29-2008 at 12:56 PM

That little guy on the spoon is all set to take a chunk out of your tongue. :lol:

Pescador - 6-29-2008 at 01:27 PM

Actually, they have all gone underground cause some goofball on Nomads started calling them "frickin marooons" and they could not handle the negative comments.

ELINVESTIG8R - 6-29-2008 at 01:36 PM

All I know is that back in the olden days of Baja 1967-1968 the poor sea turtle I saw butchered in San Felipe was cut from its shell alive and was literally hacked into pieces while still squirming and flailing its legs and head. I swear I even heard the poor thing scream. The butcher did not even have the decency to kill it first. It was a horrifying sight to behold and I never ever watched one be slaughtered again much less eat one. I had nightmares for a long time after that.

[Edited on 6-29-2008 by ELINVESTI8]

David K - 6-29-2008 at 02:35 PM

I knew someone who wouldn't eat beef for many weeks after starting to work at a slaughter house/ butcher shop.

We eat other animals, and other animals also eat animals... alive and dead. It is a brutal world... but that is nature!

Sure, as humans we often can choose what to eat... The key is education to convince others to follow your decision.

We eat cod, yellowtail and sea bass without guilt... is that only because there are more of them than turtles (we are told)?

When a fish is pulled out of the water, often we filet it right away while it is still thrashing... isn't that pretty cruel (for the fish)? Sure tastes good that fresh... turned into sushi!

805gregg - 7-3-2008 at 05:24 PM

Why would you care? Stop in at the turtle conservancy in BofLA and you wouldn't be able to eat any.

Yum Yum

MrBillM - 7-3-2008 at 07:51 PM

I always enjoyed Sea Turtle back in the days it was available and would enjoy it again if it became commercially viable.

From what I read, the position of most naysayers is the "Endangered" Species angle. I suspect that's really not true, but if it is, then it's simply a matter of increasing the numbers, right ?

As to those who are "Horrified" by the killing aspect, I assume those are all Vegans. Or, simply Hypocrites.

After all, what makes a Turtle's life more precious than a cow, pig, chicken, fish, etc ?

THEY SCREAM IN PAIN WHEN CUT OUT OF THEIR SHELL STILL ALIVE!

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-3-2008 at 10:20 PM

Humane Society International: Methods used to capture and kill sea turtles generally cause stress and suffering, as they are usually captured live, stored on their backs in the direct sun without food or water, and slaughtered by cutting open the shell while the animals are still conscious.

This does not look like it was killed humanely.

One day, many years ago while hunting in the foothills of Big Bear California I shot a three point mule deer from almost 1000 yards. It was the best shot I ever had. It took me and my friend a couple of hours to hike over to where it had fallen. When we finally arrived, we found him lying helpless on the ground where he fell. I had shot him in a hindquarter and broke a large bone rendering him helpless. He was bleeding and his moans and grunts were very loud and haunting. I can only imagine the pain he was in. The deer raised his head a little and looked up at me with what appeared to be tears running down both sides of his face. He was looking directly at me and I remember his eyes were asking me why. I will never forget the guilt I felt for having cause him so much pain. My friend had to put him out of his misery because I couldn’t as I was wiping the tears from my eyes from the heartache I felt for having caused so much pain to a poor animal. I did take him home and ate him but never again did I ever shoot another animal. I was an avid hunter of just about everything and that one day changed my hunting life forever.

[Edited on 7-6-2008 by ELINVESTI8]

Men first, women and children last

Lee - 7-4-2008 at 07:24 AM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
After all, what makes a Turtle's life more precious than a cow, pig, chicken, fish, etc ?

I"ve eaten cow, buffalo, rabbits, squirrels, bugs, and an assortment of ''meats.'' I've seen hamster eaten, ''Rocky Mountain Oysters'' (no thanks), and dogs and cats are eaten in Asia. Whatever. I won't eat whale or dolphins -- tuna yes.

Don't know why I have a spiritual connection with turtles but always have. I've swam with them in Maui, the Keys, and the Carribean. Once saw a turtle as big as a VW Bug. Maybe I was hallucinating. They've communicated with me. Whales too.

If turtles were as available as cows or chickens, no problem. Just kill them first. Making turtles suffer (like half killing a pig, but hoisting it up and butchering it anyway) is senseless. We're judged by our humanity when we die.

oxxo - 7-4-2008 at 07:42 AM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
I suspect that's really not true,

Really? What makes you suspect that? Ignorance?

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but if it is, then it's simply a matter of increasing the numbers, right ?

That is exactly my position. Seven out of eight species are currently on the endangered list. The one that isn't endangered does not inhabit Mexican waters. Let's get Sea Turtle populations back to sustainable levels and then establish seasons and limits, and then, as far as, I'm concerned, people can eat all the turtle they want.

Perfectly logical and fair.

[Edited on 7-4-2008 by oxxo]

Cypress - 7-4-2008 at 07:53 AM

oxxo, :light:

That's my take on the turtle issue.

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-4-2008 at 06:37 PM

Lee This is what I was trying to send... See if you can get it from here. If you can and put it up in your own post I will delete this.

windgrrl - 7-4-2008 at 09:10 PM

eeeEE-yuck.

Even when I saw turtle oil lotion ion the shelf in 1988 in San Felipe did I know that that was not the right thing to exploit. Was still a car- nee-vore back then, even.

Bought a quart of vanilla to take home (for whatever reason I can't recall) instead. Well almost. Dropped it on the floor before I could say "thanx."

Cute little guy caught spoonin' there!

baitcast - 7-5-2008 at 06:56 AM

1956 while stationed in Subic Bay I witnessed my fellow sailors eating those damn things after a dozen or so beers

crazy guys been over there to long :lol:

Rob

oxxo - 7-5-2008 at 08:29 AM

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Originally posted by grover
"Big dog,"

Check please! I'm not feeling well.

Balut

Lee - 7-5-2008 at 08:54 AM

I've been to Subic too. Never wanted to be in the same room where these things were being eaten. Thankfully, MX don't eat this stuff.

Ken Bondy - 7-5-2008 at 07:22 PM

Much better like this:

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-5-2008 at 07:34 PM

Ken I agree!

windgrrl - 7-5-2008 at 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by Ken Bondy
Much better like this:

Totally transcendant, Ken. Thank you for sharing this beauty.

Russ - 7-6-2008 at 05:39 AM

I was asked twice yesterday if I wanted to buy live turtle. I was told that the fisherman were taking a lot of them and that the seiners were taking a lot more so that Mulege was loaded with turtle. Very sad. Maybe some of the turtle people will go after the seiners to protect turtles. Nothing is being done to keep them out of the Bahia Concepcion at night for the last few weeks. The beaches here stink of rotting fish discarded by the seiners and I still haven't found any one that will address this problem. :fire:

bajajudy - 7-6-2008 at 06:58 AM

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Originally posted by Lee
I've been to Subic too. Never wanted to be in the same room where these things were being eaten. Thankfully, MX don't eat this stuff.

Ate one of those in Manila on a bet.
The eyeball was weird.

Pacifico - 7-6-2008 at 08:45 AM

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Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
Humane Society International: Methods used to capture and kill sea turtles generally cause stress and suffering, as they are usually captured live, stored on their backs in the direct sun without food or water, and slaughtered by cutting open the shell while the animals are still conscious.

This does not look like it was killed humanely.

Wow!!! An almost 1000 yard shot!!! Are you a Marine sniper with a .50 cal.? What did you do it with - a 30-06 or 7mm mag? Very impressive! Almost unbelievable.....

Anyway, I agree that no animal should be made to suffer. I think that sea turtles are beautiful creatures and they are awesome to dive with. However, I did once have turtle steak in Mulege back when it was legal - I think it was 1982... Like anything else, if endangered - protect it until the numbers come back.....

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-6-2008 at 09:59 AM

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Originally posted by Pacifico

Wow!!! An almost 1000 yard shot!!! Are you a Marine sniper with a .50 cal.? What did you do it with - a 30-06 or 7mm mag? Very impressive! Almost unbelievable.....

Anyway, I agree that no animal should be made to suffer. I think that sea turtles are beautiful creatures and they are awesome to dive with. However, I did once have turtle steak in Mulege back when it was legal - I think it was 1982... Like anything else, if endangered - protect it until the numbers come back.....

Pacifico had I not been there it would be hard for me to believe. I was always a consistent high shooter on the rifle range and that day was just a very lucky shot. What I did not mention is that the only profile I had of the deer was its hindquarters. The shot was made with a .30-06 rifle. I am almost too ashamed of myself to write this information. I was no hunting hero that day.

Skeet/Loreto - 7-6-2008 at 10:45 AM

Elinvest18:
I had the experience of hearing captured Turtles Crying during the Night.--No more Turtle Soup for me.

Also went on a Hunting trip to Crocker Ridge on Hwy 120 going into Yosemite. Late storm drove the Deer out of the Park as I drove along I counted 105 Bloody spots in the Snow where other Hunters killed in one Day--No more Hunting for me.

However I did kill a deer that had been hit by a Car and Crippled. Just took my Pistol and put it out of its Misery.

We , as Humans have to make our on Judgements about Killing.

Excerise your own free will and Accord and prepare to take the Consequences {SP}

Skeet/Loreto

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-6-2008 at 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Elinvest18:
I had the experience of hearing captured Turtles Crying during the Night.--No more Turtle Soup for me.

Also went on a Hunting trip to Crocker Ridge on Hwy 120 going into Yosemite. Late storm drove the Deer out of the Park as I drove along I counted 105 Bloody spots in the Snow where other Hunters killed in one Day--No more Hunting for me.

However I did kill a deer that had been hit by a Car and Crippled. Just took my Pistol and put it out of its Misery.

We , as Humans have to make our on Judgements about Killing.

Excerise your own free will and Accord and prepare to take the Consequences {SP}

Skeet/Loreto

Skeet I could not agree with you more.

Russ - 7-6-2008 at 11:42 AM

I agree with not ordering turtle. But what if a friend invites you for a meal and turtle is served? I absolutely discourage taking or molesting the nesting (?) areas. But even friends that know my position on this will on rear occasions serve me tortuga. I'm neither so "green" or rude to refuse the meal. And I'm a little sadden to admit I truly enjoy it. And it doesn't taste like chicken in any way shape or form.

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-6-2008 at 12:06 PM

Russ that is certainly a dilemma not easily remedied. Personally would tell them I am allergic to any form of turtle and leave it at that. Most will understand and not force it on you. Don’t get me wrong I have eaten sea turtle before and liked the taste. Just after seeing that poor turtle in San Felipe being cut out of its shell alive while it was screaming just did something to me and I refuse to cooperate any further in the torture of sea turtles by eating any.

Sharksbaja - 7-6-2008 at 01:45 PM

Russ, that really sucks. Now. I wonder why our friend down in San Bruno got such an immediate and reactive response by the immigration folks there in Sta. Rosalia. Is not the Navy the enforcing power for the commercial seiners.
The Navy was around there not to long ago because of the plane theft. Did you happen to notice any seiners around or in the BOC during their visit.

My point is that it's obvious certain govt agencies read and monitor certain sites and forums. I'm curious to know how they would discover information pertinent to enforcing the law. Do they utilize Google to sift thru the volumes of stuff? Or perhaps leisurely sit and surf forums and websites all day.

I wonder if the Navy deals with complaints the same way immigration does?? Do they even have a reporting site for poachers??

I think that in Mexico like in the U.S. the proverbial squeaky wheel gets the grease.

I would hope you as well as others could gather some vital information and share it on the web. That way you could have it hopefully intercepted by authorities so they can do the right thing.

Any chance of that? :lol:

oxxo - 7-6-2008 at 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by Russ
But even friends that know my position on this will on rear occasions serve me tortuga. I'm neither so "green" or rude to refuse the meal.

What's wrong with being rude to a poacher? You wouldn't want to be rude to the guy selling crack on your street corner? I don't get it.

Zorrolee, where are you when we need you?

oxxo - 7-6-2008 at 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
Russ that is certainly a dilemma not easily remedied.

Yes, it is easily remedied. JUST SAY NO! Show some character and courage.

Cypress - 7-6-2008 at 02:26 PM

The killing of turtles is just the tip of the ice burg.

Russ - 7-6-2008 at 02:54 PM

oxxo ... That's easy for you to say! Have you been there? One of these friends I respect as much as any of the handful of good friends I'm lucky enough to have. I'm in his country and would never consider offending his culture or honor. The question I asked was, " But what if a friend invites you for a meal and turtle is served?" Notice the "you"?

oxxo - 7-6-2008 at 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by Russ
oxxo ... That's easy for you to say!

Yes it easy for me to say. I just say "NO" when it comes to doing something I know is wrong and I have done it.

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Have you been there?

Yes I have been in those types of situations.

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One of these friends I respect as much as any of the handful of good friends I'm lucky enough to have. I'm in his country and would never consider offending his culture or honor.

He deserves no respect. If he is cheating on this, he is probably cheating on other things. He is a self centered "taker."

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The question I asked was, " But what if a friend invites you for a meal and turtle is served?" Notice the "you"?

I would say, "No way, Jose. " I would go on to say that I volunteer in the Turtle Hatchling Program to get the Sea Turtle populations back to sustainable levels so that everyone could eat turtle if they wish. I would invite him to come and volunteer with me. We would then see how much character your friend has.

Read this article about how attitudes can be changed: http://www.bajainsider.com/environment/teachersavingturtles....

0xxo I'm on your side of the turtle issue!

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-6-2008 at 03:24 PM

HOW TO BE PATIENT WITH PEOPLE!

1. Try to figure out why you're in such a hurry.
2. Pinpoint the triggers that often make you lose your patience.
3. Overcome bouts of impatience.
4. look for patterns.
5. Let go if you can't do anything about the impatience trigger.
6. Remind yourself that things take time.
7. Expect the unexpected.
8. Give yourself a break.
9. Remember what matters.

http://www.wikihow.com/Be-Patient

[Edited on 7-8-2008 by ELINVESTI8]

Russ - 7-6-2008 at 04:00 PM

ELINVESTI8
Thank you

You are welcome Russ...

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-6-2008 at 04:56 PM

[Edited on 7-8-2008 by ELINVESTI8]

Ehh, For What It's Worth

Gypsy Jan - 7-7-2008 at 05:30 PM

I was raised in the Southern California Surfer Culture.

My summers were spent on Catalina Island when the urchin divers reigned supreme at the local watering establishments,

I learned to snorkle dive at age six and couldn't wait to get my SCUBA certifcation at sixteen.

My graduating class was diving at Emerald Bay. The high point of the exercise was the exhibition of what was caught - marine animals left to die on the beach, so that the winner could be proved.

In latter years, I've put on SCUBA equipment and I get panic attacks.

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-7-2008 at 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by gringorio
Great gif's ELINVESTI8! I agree with Ken and others here too - I like sea turtles alive! On our last kayak trip from Gonzaga to BLA we ran in to this one while snorkeling:

http://www.bajatrekker.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=434

Great video Gringorio. I added your name to the list above.

NO COMEN HUEVO O CARNE DE TORTUGA ES UN DELITO

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-8-2008 at 02:16 PM

Pescador - 7-8-2008 at 07:56 PM

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Originally posted by Russ
oxxo ... That's easy for you to say! Have you been there? One of these friends I respect as much as any of the handful of good friends I'm lucky enough to have. I'm in his country and would never consider offending his culture or honor. The question I asked was, " But what if a friend invites you for a meal and turtle is served?" Notice the "you"?

Russ,it is kinda like throwin Pearls before ........... I concur that sometimes there have been things in Mexico that I certainly do not choose to partake in (like c-ck fights), but I also know when it is proper to offend and not to offend. Maybe that is why you hear such dispariging remarks when the locals talk about certain Americans. Maybe because they are educated or wealthy or whatever they think it is acceptabe to walk all over the locals. I was offered a turtle one day while fishing by one of my friends who pulled up to the boat and had a really bad day fishing so I said sure I would like to buy it. I went around the corner at San Marcos Island and released it where I thought it would be safe. Now, I could have released it right there in front of the fisherman, but that would have been rather "righteous" but instead did what I thought was right which was to turn it loose and pay the fisherman. I had another panguero with me that day who thought I was nuts but he said that he was amazed that I allowed the fisherman to save face and I was able to do what I thought was right and everyone ended up a winner. That is why I get a little incensed at the self-righteous know it alls that would have gone off on the poor fisherman who is a little slow to catch on to the significance of what he had done. When the story finally got back to the fisherman who sold me the turtle, he replied with something to the effect of "That crazy gringo must love turtles." Now that I have taken the time to show respect, perhaps next time I will feel free to buy it and release it right there on the spot.

Cypress - 7-9-2008 at 05:26 AM

Pescador, Good story.

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-9-2008 at 05:44 AM

Right-On Pescador...

oxxo - 7-9-2008 at 06:41 AM

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Originally posted by PescadorThat is why I get a little incensed at the self-righteous know it alls that would have gone off on the poor fisherman who is a little slow to catch on to the significance of what he had done.

Here is the problem with Pescador's story. No one said, "go off on the poor fisherman." That is your interpretation. Just tell the fisherman, "no gracias."

I have asked the Mexicans who run the Sea Turtle program about this in the past. They say do not buy turtles and do not accept turtles as a gift whether alive or in a soup. The same goes for Sea Turtle eggs. I said, "If I don't buy the turtle, they will just sell it to someone else who will slaughter it." The Mexicans said yes, that would probably happen but that the cycle has to be broken someplace. They said there will always be poaching, they don't expect to ever stamp it out. And they said buying turtles out of some misguided altruism only perpetuates the cycle. They say, if Americans are willing to buy them, them the Mexicans will continue to poach them and sell them, either alive or for soup.

It is somewhat similar to the mordida asked by some bad cops. If Americans continue to pay the cops off, they will continue to pull them over to shake them down. When a cop asks for mordida, just say no. At the risk of sounding like a self righteous American, tell them you will follow them to the police station to sort things out. That usually takes care of the problem right there.

So, Pescador, I guess it depends on which side of the "self righteous" fence you are standing on. I challenge you, Pescador, and Russ and El Faro and MrBill to become involved in the Sea Turtle Hatching Program. Volunteer locally. Work alongside Mexicans who are really trying to make Sea Turtles a sustainable and renewable resource. Then maybe you will have a better idea of what the right thing to do is.

Russ - 7-9-2008 at 06:46 AM

Jim, You were right on and so was the friend in your boat. You made a statement and I'm sure your point will be remember and talked about. Maybe in the long run the point will sink home. I hope so. While I was diving with the same friend that I had dinner with a few years back I spotted a turtle on the bottom and showed it to him. He wanted to bring it back but I said not in my boat and tried to explain why. I think he understood. I'm pretty sure he hasn't taken any turtles in the past few years. His wife is from San Bruno and from a fishing family. She loves fish & mariscos so I figured the turtle was a gift from a friend or family. I just didn't want to get in a pi--ing match with the self-righteous. They do good work but it's hard to converse with some of them. We use to put fences around their nest (the turtles not the self-righteous) but it just served as a flag for the egg poachers. So now we just wipe out the tracks and hope all goes well.
Thankx for your post.

Enlightened vs. unenlightened

Lee - 7-9-2008 at 06:47 AM

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Originally posted by Pescador
That is why I get a little incensed at the self-righteous know it alls that would have gone off on the poor fisherman who is a little slow to catch on to the significance of what he had done.

You DID do the right thing. I'm all in favor of saving face, no matter what culture.

Who are the ''self-righteous know it alls'' that would ''go off'' on a poor fisherman? Can you quote the post?

It's one thing for an ''unenlightened" (unaware of the law AGAINST poaching) Mexican to offer up a turtle. It's another to be with ''friends'' (Gringoes) specifically REQUESTING turtle in a restaurant where it's served UNDER THE TABLE.

Are you capable of making the distinction here? In this example, the Gringoes don't need ''face saving.'' They need a butt whipping. The restaurant owner's need a visit from PROFEPA.

Pescador - 7-9-2008 at 08:49 AM

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Originally posted by oxxo

So, Pescador, I guess it depends on which side of the "self righteous" fence you are standing on. I challenge you, Pescador, and Russ and El Faro and MrBill to become involved in the Sea Turtle Hatching Program. Volunteer locally. Work alongside Mexicans who are really trying to make Sea Turtles a sustainable and renewable resource. Then maybe you will have a better idea of what the right thing to do is.

First of all, I have spent a lot of time at BOLA doing just exactly that, and I personally have very strong beliefs about helping in the restoration and hatching of these animals. I have also spent quite a bit of time in the facility at the Cayman islands.
What I am trying to get across is a subtle cultural interaction perspective here. When you live in the small villages and really communicate and interact with the local people like Russ and I are talking about, you are not viewed in the same way as a foreigner or an outsider and if your attitude is one of disdain and disgust then I know for a fact that the other person reads that in your face and you have been instantly written off as a outsider with an air of "moral superiority". What I did was to show respect for the person involved and when he had the discussion with my friend in the boat, it opened up communication about why I would buy the turtle and then release it. When he finally said something to me at a later time, I was in a position to explain my feelings and beliefs about the scarcity and the need to protect the turtles.
If the tables were turned on you and you had your choice of which method of approach would leave you feeling better about yourself, which would you choose.

toneart - 7-9-2008 at 10:50 AM

I am unequivocally against the poaching of turtles. Just be polite when you decline the offer.
You may have a small chance to educate by example. :light:

Lecturing is not effective.

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-9-2008 at 11:20 AM

As we all know we as Americans in Mexico do not have say one about anything. If we start lecturing Mexican poachers regarding the illegal taking of turtles you will probably be punched out or something worse. Like Toneart said, lecturing does not work. Just use your noggin when talking to poachers and remember each person in here has a point even if you do not agree with it. I am not a "Rabid," "Foaming at the mouth," "Turtle activist." I just know I will never eat or help anyone eat turtle ever again. This is due to the inhumane torture I saw one live turtle being put through when it was slaughtered while conscious.

When I get home today Toneart goes up under the "Roll Call."

[Edited on 7-9-2008 by ELINVESTI8]

Sharksbaja - 7-9-2008 at 01:51 PM

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I am not a "Rabid," "Foaming at the mouth," anti-turtle guy

Don't you mean "anti-turtle guy guy"?

:lol:

Ok then, you better change that there avatar!

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Yes, broaching this topic with local fishermen is indeed an excercise in deplomacy and respect.

I applaud you guys who can partake and exemplify the importance of saving the species thru understanding and commitment. You do have an impact. Just discussing the problem in a friendly conversation helps tremendously. These folks are not stupid, they understand the sea/land cannot withstand everything. I guess they are not republicans! :lol:

It's a tough job educating or reeducating those that are in disparate communities with little "real-time" information that pertains to their livelyhood or way of life. It's a challanging task indeed. Good on you for carrying the torch.

Cypress - 7-9-2008 at 02:20 PM

c-ck fights are bloody, but chickens are a dime a dozen, the best c-ck fight isn't all that much unless you've got some cash on the winner.

Sea turtles, on the other hand, are few and far between.

They need every break they can get.

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-9-2008 at 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja

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I am not a "Rabid," "Foaming at the mouth," anti-turtle guy

Don't you mean "anti-turtle guy guy"?

:lol:

Ok then, you better change that there avatar!

Sharks I meant to say Turtle Activist. As far as my Avatar goes that is mostly for comedic relief and in no way illustrates my thought on what I would like to do to sea turtle torturers. Now where are those torturers?

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-9-2008 at 02:42 PM

Cypress I cannot condone anything relating to an animal blood sport. It is just another example of mans inhumanity to animals.

Cypress - 7-9-2008 at 04:01 PM

ELINVEST18, :tumble:

You're right as far as I'm concerned, c-ck fights don't do anything for me either. :tumble:

Would just as soon pull their heads off and let it go at that.

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-9-2008 at 06:34 PM

To this day I will rarely eat chicken because as a kid on my own I once had to behead many chickens with an axe at a mom and pop factory in Mexico. It was not very humane. I regret having done it.

David K - 7-9-2008 at 07:02 PM

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Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
To this day I will rarely eat chicken because as a kid on my own I once had to behead many chickens with an axe at a mom and pop factory in Mexico. It was not very humane. I regret having done it.

David, how much quicker is some other way to kill a chicken? Humane would mean to die quickly, right? An axe chop is pretty fast isn't it?

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-9-2008 at 07:17 PM

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Originally posted by David K
[David, how much quicker is some other way to kill a chicken? Humane would mean to die quickly, right? An axe chop is pretty fast isn't it?

Implementing a kinder method of chicken commercial slaughter is called controlled-atmosphere killing. This method puts chickens to sleep by removing the oxygen from their environment and replacing it with an inert gas, like nitrogen or argon. I realize this is not practical on the Ranchos. I am sure that cutting off their heads rapidly is probably the most humane way to kill them in a Rancho. It is just gruesome and very bloody, especially if they convulse which they will do. No wringing of necks and snapping the heads off. That is not humane.

David K - 7-9-2008 at 07:22 PM

Okay, so we need to show a better way to kill a chicken! :bounce:

Good luck to you in the re-education program!

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-9-2008 at 07:33 PM

My intent is not to try to reeducate anyone. I was just stating why I don’t like to eat chicken. Nothing more sinister than that.

DO YOU WANT YOUR NAME ADDED?

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-10-2008 at 04:51 AM

Save the Sea Turtle and stop them from being slaughtered while still alive screaming in pain as they are cut from their shells!

"One for all, all for one"

ROLL CALL

[Edited on 7-10-2008 by ELINVESTI8]