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Lee
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Where to get Turtle Soup in Baja?
At least 1 La Paz gringa believes that turtle soup is (probably) available in restaurants -- just for the asking.
Anyone know of ''soup'' being served ''under the table'' in Ensenada, or TJ, or La Paz?
Or is this a ''dirty little secret?''
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Bruce R Leech
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do you think someone could be dumb enough to Answer that on the Internet?
[Edited on 6-29-2008 by Bruce R Leech]
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Pescador
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No they made it illegal so it is being served nowhere in Baja. It is just exactly the same as drugs and I have it on good authority that there are no
more drugs being used in Baja since they were declared illegal.
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Cypress
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Most people, myself included, wouldn't be able to tell the difference between various chunks of pork, goat, lamb, beef, etc. from turtle. Something about eating endangered species sorta spoils my appetite.
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DENNIS
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Who would know for sure what they're eating since everything tastes like chicken...........except bad chicken.
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Lee
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Naming names
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Most people, myself included, wouldn't be able to tell the difference between various chunks of pork, goat, lamb, beef, etc. from turtle:
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Don't need a literal list of restaurants -- just a general idea, for example, in Ensenada?
Don't think ''outing'' a restaurant in BCN constitutes ''whistle blowing,'' does it?
Anyone consider eating turtle a ''big'' problem? Small?
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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DENNIS
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ahhhh, Lee..........Take that little guy off that spoon. What kinda Buddhist are you?
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TonyC
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You guys are sick.....
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Cypress
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That little guy on the spoon is all set to take a chunk out of your tongue.
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Pescador
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Actually, they have all gone underground cause some goofball on Nomads started calling them "frickin marooons" and they could not handle the negative
comments.
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ELINVESTIG8R
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All I know is that back in the olden days of Baja 1967-1968 the poor sea turtle I saw butchered in San Felipe was cut from its shell alive and was
literally hacked into pieces while still squirming and flailing its legs and head. I swear I even heard the poor thing scream. The butcher did not
even have the decency to kill it first. It was a horrifying sight to behold and I never ever watched one be slaughtered again much less eat one. I had
nightmares for a long time after that.
[Edited on 6-29-2008 by ELINVESTI8]
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David K
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I knew someone who wouldn't eat beef for many weeks after starting to work at a slaughter house/ butcher shop.
We eat other animals, and other animals also eat animals... alive and dead. It is a brutal world... but that is nature!
Sure, as humans we often can choose what to eat... The key is education to convince others to follow your decision.
We eat cod, yellowtail and sea bass without guilt... is that only because there are more of them than turtles (we are told)?
When a fish is pulled out of the water, often we filet it right away while it is still thrashing... isn't that pretty cruel (for the fish)? Sure
tastes good that fresh... turned into sushi!
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805gregg
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Why would you care? Stop in at the turtle conservancy in BofLA and you wouldn't be able to eat any.
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MrBillM
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Yum Yum
I always enjoyed Sea Turtle back in the days it was available and would enjoy it again if it became commercially viable.
From what I read, the position of most naysayers is the "Endangered" Species angle. I suspect that's really not true, but if it is, then it's simply
a matter of increasing the numbers, right ?
As to those who are "Horrified" by the killing aspect, I assume those are all Vegans. Or, simply Hypocrites.
After all, what makes a Turtle's life more precious than a cow, pig, chicken, fish, etc ?
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ELINVESTIG8R
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THEY SCREAM IN PAIN WHEN CUT OUT OF THEIR SHELL STILL ALIVE!
Humane Society International: Methods used to capture and kill sea turtles generally cause stress and suffering, as they are usually
captured live, stored on their backs in the direct sun without food or water, and slaughtered by cutting open the shell while the animals are still
conscious.
 This does not look like it was killed humanely.
One day, many years ago while hunting in the foothills of Big Bear California I shot a three point mule deer from almost 1000 yards. It was the best
shot I ever had. It took me and my friend a couple of hours to hike over to where it had fallen. When we finally arrived, we found him lying helpless
on the ground where he fell. I had shot him in a hindquarter and broke a large bone rendering him helpless. He was bleeding and his moans and grunts
were very loud and haunting. I can only imagine the pain he was in. The deer raised his head a little and looked up at me with what appeared to be
tears running down both sides of his face. He was looking directly at me and I remember his eyes were asking me why. I will never forget the guilt I
felt for having cause him so much pain. My friend had to put him out of his misery because I couldn’t as I was wiping the tears from my eyes from the
heartache I felt for having caused so much pain to a poor animal. I did take him home and ate him but never again did I ever shoot another animal. I
was an avid hunter of just about everything and that one day changed my hunting life forever.
[Edited on 7-6-2008 by ELINVESTI8]
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Lee
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Men first, women and children last
| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
After all, what makes a Turtle's life more precious than a cow, pig, chicken, fish, etc ? |
I"ve eaten cow, buffalo, rabbits, squirrels, bugs, and an assortment of ''meats.'' I've seen hamster eaten, ''Rocky Mountain Oysters'' (no
thanks), and dogs and cats are eaten in Asia. Whatever. I won't eat whale or dolphins -- tuna yes.
Don't know why I have a spiritual connection with turtles but always have. I've swam with them in Maui, the Keys, and the Carribean. Once saw
a turtle as big as a VW Bug. Maybe I was hallucinating. They've communicated with me. Whales too.
If turtles were as available as cows or chickens, no problem. Just kill them first. Making turtles suffer (like half killing a pig, but hoisting
it up and butchering it anyway) is senseless. We're judged by our humanity when we die.
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
I suspect that's really not true,
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Really? What makes you suspect that? Ignorance?
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but if it is, then it's simply a matter of increasing the numbers, right ?
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That is exactly my position. Seven out of eight species are currently on the endangered list. The one that isn't endangered does not inhabit Mexican
waters. Let's get Sea Turtle populations back to sustainable levels and then establish seasons and limits, and then, as far as, I'm concerned, people
can eat all the turtle they want.
Perfectly logical and fair.
[Edited on 7-4-2008 by oxxo]
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Cypress
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oxxo, That's my take on the turtle issue.
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ELINVESTIG8R
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Lee This is what I was trying to send... See if you can get it from here. If you can and put it up in your own post I will delete this.
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windgrrl
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eeeEE-yuck.
Even when I saw turtle oil lotion ion the shelf in 1988 in San Felipe did I know that that was not the right thing to exploit. Was still a car-
nee-vore back then, even.
Bought a quart of vanilla to take home (for whatever reason I can't recall) instead. Well almost. Dropped it on the floor before I could say "thanx."
Cute little guy caught spoonin' there!
When the way comes to an end, then change. Having changed, you pass through.
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