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Can a Nomad become a MX cop? Federale?

Lee - 7-2-2008 at 06:40 AM

When I become a MX citizen in a few years (and have dual citizenship), I was thinking of applying for work as a La Paz cop -- maybe ''volunteer'' stuff or ''ride along'' duty -- or ''translator?"

Maybe a ''Federale" position -- mostly community service stuff -- maybe use my law enforcement background to teach Police Science or Criminal Investigation.

Any thoughts on this? Does a person need to be born in MX to serve?

This is a serious question.

CaboRon - 7-2-2008 at 06:49 AM

Others might know the official answer to your question, although I think it might be possible.

In any case I think you could make a real difference ...

Go for it .....

CaboRon





[Edited on 7-2-2008 by CaboRon]

bajaguy - 7-2-2008 at 06:52 AM

I would gather up all of your certificates and go see the Jefe at either the City or at the Federal Station and present your case.

Sounds like a great idea, let me know how it works out

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-2-2008 at 07:18 AM

Lee I do not see why you couldn't do it. As Bajaguy said get all your documentation together and go see the Jefe in whichever police field you want to get into. Once you are officially in, we can all say...

DENNIS - 7-2-2008 at 07:46 AM

FederaLee.....So, that's where that word came from. Always wondered.

Bajajorge - 7-2-2008 at 08:21 AM

Back in the early 90s while on vacation in Cabo I got into a conversation with a Mexican police officer at the marina. After several minutes of idle talk about fishing, weather etc, I told him I was a police officer in the USA, and showed hime my badge. At that point he just grunted and turned and walked away. Don't know if it's common for Mexican cops to dislike gringo cops, or was this guy in the minority.

Mango - 7-2-2008 at 08:23 AM

I think it would be a good idea.

Uncle Sam does not:

POTENTIALLY EXPATRIATING ACTS

Section 349 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1481), as amended, states that U.S. citizens are subject to loss of citizenship if they perform certain specified acts voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Briefly stated, these acts include:

1. obtaining naturalization in a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (1) INA);
2. taking an oath, affirmation or other formal declaration to a foreign state or its political subdivisions (Sec. 349 (a) (2) INA);
3. entering or serving in the armed forces of a foreign state engaged in hostilities against the U.S. or serving as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer in the armed forces of a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (3) INA);
4. accepting employment with a foreign government if (a) one has the nationality of that foreign state or (b) an oath or declaration of allegiance is required in accepting the position (Sec. 349 (a) (4) INA);
5. formally renouncing U.S. citizenship before a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer outside the United States (sec. 349 (a) (5) INA);
6. formally renouncing U.S. citizenship within the U.S. (but only under strict, narrow statutory conditions) (Sec. 349 (a) (6) INA);
7. conviction for an act of treason (Sec. 349 (a) (7) INA).

Source: http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html

bajaguy - 7-2-2008 at 08:29 AM

Lee.....could also be a way to "supplement" your income.....just kidding!!!.....:lol:

Pescador - 7-2-2008 at 08:39 AM

I would think it would make it hard to negotiate a mordida when you pull someone over and start calling them "frickin marooons".:spingrin:

woody with a view - 7-2-2008 at 08:46 AM

due to the "inferiority complex" that some folks have i'd assume that there would be a large percentage of the potential police force that would resent uncle gringo telling them how to operate in their little corner of the globe. there might even be resentment from the frontline guys feeling they were being "watched".

just my assumptions. it is interesting tho. give it a try and maybe it'll work out for all involved.

lizard lips - 7-2-2008 at 08:46 AM

Go for it Lee. Why not?

toneart - 7-2-2008 at 09:33 AM

Lee,

In 1980-1983 I lived in San Miguel de Allende, GTO, MX.
There was an old retired American black man who had been a Chicago cop. He was on the regular police force in San Miguel; not a volunteer. He was very friendly. Lots of the gringo population warned to not trust him, but he seemed alright to me. He also wrote articles for the local gringo news rag. I was playing music there and he was a jazz fan. He often was in the club listening and schmoozing.

I don't know if retaining U.S. Citizenship was a concern for him. He was in his 70s and looked pretty happy with his life there. As it turned out, he died while I was there. There was a huge funeral and service in the main Catholic church. He was revered by Mexican nationals and gringos alike.

Can't step on toes and be in the Brotherhood

Lee - 7-2-2008 at 09:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Pescador
I would think it would make it hard to negotiate a mordida when you pull someone over and start calling them "frickin marooons".:spingrin:


First, I wouldn't negotiate mordida with a Gringo. I'm a good cop. A warning would be sufficient y tenga que buenas dias!

Second, iF I smelled turtle on a Gringo's breath, I'd call them a marooon as I was taking them in. Impound their car. No phone calls. BUSTED!

Beyond the obvious, I think there could be resentment on the part of fellow MX officers and that's a valid point. Hadn't thought of that.

The one two punch

Lee - 7-2-2008 at 09:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by grover
I'd be concerned about all the narco-violence, and don't necessarily subscribe to the theory that only the dirty get hurt.


Another valid point and I HAD thought of that. It's a real concern. Good cops do get hurt. The narco thing can't be ignored.

Years ago, I was told the Pescadero Police Chief had been shot and it was narco related. Anyone have details on that?

When the violence reaches BCS, I'll probably drop my idea. Don't want to be around a bunch of tweakers carrying automatic weapons.

By the way, I, personally, do NOT consider MX cops solicitating mordida as bad or corrupt. It's the cops who mess with your head that are bad. Like, they want some money AND they really don't like you. Ouch.

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-2-2008 at 10:04 AM

I once thought about going to work for the Procuraduría General de la República (PGR) to get involved in the investigation of drugs in Mexico but thought better of it as I would have to renounce my U.S. citizenship to do so. I was also dissuaded because I am not a young man any longer. Working drug investigations was the most fun and at the same time the scariest work I ever did.

GO FOR IT! YOU'LL BE OK

bancoduo - 7-2-2008 at 10:09 AM

oxxo - 7-2-2008 at 10:27 AM

My observation has been that Mexicans are not interested in unsolicited opinions and advice by their pale brothers from the North whatever their professional credentials or experience or citizenship.

I think you would have to watch your back constantly as a gringo member of the Mexican police force.

motoged - 7-2-2008 at 12:18 PM

Lee,
Some good cautionary comments have already been offered.

It sounds like maybe you are or will be retired soon....if so, RETIRE and enjoy the R&R you have earned....and Be Safe Out There.

There are many human situations that could benefit from our experience and help....but few are asking for it, despite the value we have to offer.

Find another rewarding way to practice your skills and expertise....or find a new outlet.

Good luck !

woody with a view - 7-2-2008 at 12:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by motoged
Lee,
Some good cautionary comments have already been offered.

It sounds like maybe you are or will be retired soon....if so, RETIRE and enjoy the R&R you have earned....and Be Safe Out There.

There are many human situations that could benefit from our experience and help....but few are asking for it, despite the value we have to offer.

Find another rewarding way to practice your skills and expertise....or find a new outlet.

Good luck !



what he said! ^

Honorary MX cop

Lee - 7-2-2008 at 12:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by motoged
Find another rewarding way to practice your skills and expertise....or find a new outlet.!


THIS hit me hard. YOU"RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! What the heck am I thinking?

Think I might make a few ''contributions'' and get the ''Honorary'' badge.

comitan - 7-2-2008 at 12:31 PM

IF you don't mind wearing the Black Mask.

Sharksbaja - 7-2-2008 at 02:14 PM

Try this one.:lol:

Freebird - 7-2-2008 at 02:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Lee
When I become a MX citizen in a few years (and have dual citizenship), I was thinking of applying for work as a La Paz cop -- maybe ''volunteer'' stuff or ''ride along'' duty -- or ''translator?"

Maybe a ''Federale" position -- mostly community service stuff -- maybe use my law enforcement background to teach Police Science or Criminal Investigation.

Any thoughts on this? Does a person need to be born in MX to serve?

This is a serious question.


Yes, you need to be born in Mexico without any other nacionality. :no:

oxxo - 7-2-2008 at 03:13 PM

Lee, have you thought about doing "undercover work" from the law enforcement standpoint?



Zorro, which is Spanish for "fox", is the story of a masked rider who battles the unjust rulers of the pueblo of Todos Santos during the days of Spanish rule. His real identity is that of Don Lee de la Federalee (nee Zorrolee), the son of a wealthy landowner. Lee returns from his studies in Colorado and discovers that Todos Santos is under the command of Capitan Gusta Comer ala Tortuga, a cruel man who relishes in the misuse of his power for personal gain. Knowing that he cannot hope to single-handedly defeat Gusta Tortuga and his troops, Lee resorts to subterfuge. He adopts the secret identity of Zorrolee, a sinister figure dressed in black, and rides to fight El Comidor Tortuga injustice with cries of "Oye, frickin marooon."

Out of the night,
when the full moon is bright,
comes the horseman known as Zorrolee.


This bold renegade
carves a Z with his blade,
a Z that stands for Zorrolee.


Zorrolee, Zorrolee, the fox so cunning and free,
Zorrolee, Zorrolee, who makes the sign of the Z.


Zorrolee, Zorrolee, Zorrolee, Zorrolee, Zorrolee.

fulano - 7-2-2008 at 03:17 PM

The next time you get an idea like that, rent the movie "Serpico". That should dissuade you.

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-2-2008 at 03:43 PM

Funny...

bajajudy - 7-2-2008 at 04:26 PM

Along this same line...what ever happened to Giuliani advising Mexico City a few years back.....did that just fizzle or did he give up or was he run out of town on a tortilla?

Look! Up in the sky! It's a pelicanos it's a tortugas it's Zorrolee

Lee - 7-2-2008 at 07:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by oxxo
Lee, have you thought about doing "undercover work" from the law enforcement standpoint?




I am deeply moved and humbled beyond words. Touched, too.

I've seen the light. How quickly I've forgotten the politics of police work that I hate. It would be impossible to defend MX against my own -- Nomad Americanos. So, it's settled.

I now don the mask of black to conceal my identity as a Nomad. I fight injustice and corruption and defend MX women and tortugas from peril. Up up and away.

Salute!

MexicoGringoGuy - 7-2-2008 at 07:51 PM

I just skimmed this thread.. so this may have been said...

Supposedly one of the things you cant do EVEN after you become a MEx Citizen is get a gun.. run for president, and not sure what else.. so you could be a cop BUYT not carry a gun..

oxxo - 7-2-2008 at 09:15 PM

Faster than una bala rapida! More powerful than a Ferrocarril! Able to leap edificios gigantes at a single bound! "Mira! Alto en cielo!" "Es un pajaro!" "Es un avion!" "Aye caramba es el SuperLee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The story of SuperLee relates that he was born Kel-Lee on the planet Krypton, before being rocketed to Earth as an infant by his scientist father moments before the planet's destruction. Adopted and raised in Todos Santos by a campesino and his wife, the child is raised as El Lee, and imbued with a strong moral compass learned while tending sheep. Very early he started to display superhuman abilities, which upon reaching maturity he resolved to use for the benefit of ridding the world of Frickin marooons.

While referred to less flatteringly as "the big pink Boy Scout" by PJC, The Gull, and Beercan; SuperLee is hailed as "The Man of Steel," "The Man of Tomorrow," and "The Last Son of Krypton," by his adoring public on the Internet. As El Lee, SuperLee lives among humans as a "mild-mannered poster" on the Baja Nomads Forum. Yet he continues to fight for TRUTH......JUSTICE........and little baby turtles.




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[Edited on 7-3-2008 by oxxo]

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-2-2008 at 09:20 PM

NICE!

Bajafun777 - 7-2-2008 at 11:33 PM

Lee, if you really want to do something that will allow you to be in Mexico and maybe even in your current area or somewhere close, try the Peace Corps. It might surprise you with what places in Mexico they work in and how they pay for certain peoples knowledge, past work experience, etc, etc, etc. Just a thought maybe this is not your cup of tea and since you were a cop the background should be no problem. You could also find out if you could work or volunteer at the American Consul. Being an American who was a cop and jumping that up to being a cop in Mexico would be like pull water in good whiskey it is just such a waste of good whiskey, in your case a good cop. Once out of law enforcement for any time period trying to go back is always hard. Now,trying to do that in a foreign country and learn all of their laws, ordinaces, etc. would be a task that would be extremely challenging to do. Since you were in law enforcement you have been to a lot of choir practice and thus maybe bartender would be a better choice. You could be the local adviser and setup advisor to singles trying to hookup at the cantina. Nay, the cop thing in Mexico would definately be on the wrong side of stress free retirement. Later------ bajafun777