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Lee
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Can a Nomad become a MX cop? Federale?
When I become a MX citizen in a few years (and have dual citizenship), I was thinking of applying for work as a La Paz cop -- maybe ''volunteer''
stuff or ''ride along'' duty -- or ''translator?"
Maybe a ''Federale" position -- mostly community service stuff -- maybe use my law enforcement background to teach Police Science or Criminal
Investigation.
Any thoughts on this? Does a person need to be born in MX to serve?
This is a serious question.
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CaboRon
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Others might know the official answer to your question, although I think it might be possible.
In any case I think you could make a real difference ...
Go for it .....
CaboRon
[Edited on 7-2-2008 by CaboRon]
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bajaguy
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I would gather up all of your certificates and go see the Jefe at either the City or at the Federal Station and present your case.
Sounds like a great idea, let me know how it works out
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ELINVESTIG8R
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Lee I do not see why you couldn't do it. As Bajaguy said get all your documentation together and go see the Jefe in whichever police field you want to
get into. Once you are officially in, we can all say...
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DENNIS
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FederaLee.....So, that's where that word came from. Always wondered.
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Bajajorge
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Back in the early 90s while on vacation in Cabo I got into a conversation with a Mexican police officer at the marina. After several minutes of idle
talk about fishing, weather etc, I told him I was a police officer in the USA, and showed hime my badge. At that point he just grunted and turned and
walked away. Don't know if it's common for Mexican cops to dislike gringo cops, or was this guy in the minority.
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Mango
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I think it would be a good idea.
Uncle Sam does not:
POTENTIALLY EXPATRIATING ACTS
Section 349 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1481), as amended, states that U.S. citizens are subject to loss of citizenship if they
perform certain specified acts voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Briefly stated, these acts include:
1. obtaining naturalization in a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (1) INA);
2. taking an oath, affirmation or other formal declaration to a foreign state or its political subdivisions (Sec. 349 (a) (2) INA);
3. entering or serving in the armed forces of a foreign state engaged in hostilities against the U.S. or serving as a commissioned or
non-commissioned officer in the armed forces of a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (3) INA);
4. accepting employment with a foreign government if (a) one has the nationality of that foreign state or (b) an oath or declaration of allegiance
is required in accepting the position (Sec. 349 (a) (4) INA);
5. formally renouncing U.S. citizenship before a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer outside the United States (sec. 349 (a) (5) INA);
6. formally renouncing U.S. citizenship within the U.S. (but only under strict, narrow statutory conditions) (Sec. 349 (a) (6) INA);
7. conviction for an act of treason (Sec. 349 (a) (7) INA).
Source: http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html
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bajaguy
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Lee.....could also be a way to "supplement" your income.....just kidding!!!.....
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Pescador
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I would think it would make it hard to negotiate a mordida when you pull someone over and start calling them "frickin marooons".
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woody with a view
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due to the "inferiority complex" that some folks have i'd assume that there would be a large percentage of the potential police force that would
resent uncle gringo telling them how to operate in their little corner of the globe. there might even be resentment from the frontline guys feeling
they were being "watched".
just my assumptions. it is interesting tho. give it a try and maybe it'll work out for all involved.
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lizard lips
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Go for it Lee. Why not?
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toneart
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Lee,
In 1980-1983 I lived in San Miguel de Allende, GTO, MX.
There was an old retired American black man who had been a Chicago cop. He was on the regular police force in San Miguel; not a volunteer. He was very
friendly. Lots of the gringo population warned to not trust him, but he seemed alright to me. He also wrote articles for the local gringo news rag. I
was playing music there and he was a jazz fan. He often was in the club listening and schmoozing.
I don't know if retaining U.S. Citizenship was a concern for him. He was in his 70s and looked pretty happy with his life there. As it turned out, he
died while I was there. There was a huge funeral and service in the main Catholic church. He was revered by Mexican nationals and gringos alike.
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Lee
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Can't step on toes and be in the Brotherhood
| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
I would think it would make it hard to negotiate a mordida when you pull someone over and start calling them "frickin marooons". |
First, I wouldn't negotiate mordida with a Gringo. I'm a good cop. A warning would be sufficient y tenga que buenas dias!
Second, iF I smelled turtle on a Gringo's breath, I'd call them a marooon as I was taking them in. Impound their car. No phone calls.
BUSTED!
Beyond the obvious, I think there could be resentment on the part of fellow MX officers and that's a valid point. Hadn't thought of that.
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Lee
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The one two punch
| Quote: | Originally posted by grover
I'd be concerned about all the narco-violence, and don't necessarily subscribe to the theory that only the dirty get hurt. |
Another valid point and I HAD thought of that. It's a real concern. Good cops do get hurt. The narco thing can't be ignored.
Years ago, I was told the Pescadero Police Chief had been shot and it was narco related. Anyone have details on that?
When the violence reaches BCS, I'll probably drop my idea. Don't want to be around a bunch of tweakers carrying automatic weapons.
By the way, I, personally, do NOT consider MX cops solicitating mordida as bad or corrupt. It's the cops who mess with your head that are bad.
Like, they want some money AND they really don't like you. Ouch.
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ELINVESTIG8R
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I once thought about going to work for the Procuraduría General de la República (PGR) to get involved in the investigation of drugs in Mexico but
thought better of it as I would have to renounce my U.S. citizenship to do so. I was also dissuaded because I am not a young man any longer. Working
drug investigations was the most fun and at the same time the scariest work I ever did.
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bancoduo
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GO FOR IT! YOU'LL BE OK
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oxxo
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My observation has been that Mexicans are not interested in unsolicited opinions and advice by their pale brothers from the North whatever their
professional credentials or experience or citizenship.
I think you would have to watch your back constantly as a gringo member of the Mexican police force.
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motoged
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Lee,
Some good cautionary comments have already been offered.
It sounds like maybe you are or will be retired soon....if so, RETIRE and enjoy the R&R you have earned....and Be Safe Out There.
There are many human situations that could benefit from our experience and help....but few are asking for it, despite the value we have to offer.
Find another rewarding way to practice your skills and expertise....or find a new outlet.
Good luck !
Don't believe everything you think....
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woody with a view
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
Lee,
Some good cautionary comments have already been offered.
It sounds like maybe you are or will be retired soon....if so, RETIRE and enjoy the R&R you have earned....and Be Safe Out There.
There are many human situations that could benefit from our experience and help....but few are asking for it, despite the value we have to offer.
Find another rewarding way to practice your skills and expertise....or find a new outlet.
Good luck ! |
what he said! ^
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Lee
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Honorary MX cop
| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
Find another rewarding way to practice your skills and expertise....or find a new outlet.! |
THIS hit me hard. YOU"RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! What the heck am I thinking?
Think I might make a few ''contributions'' and get the ''Honorary'' badge.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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