Controlling the message

"To summarize it, the new police chief of Rosarito, who came from the military, says that his entire police department is corrupt and the crime rates have actually increased over the past months."
This is not NEWS...There is not a sole here that would deny this, except a few like Gull. Don't know this person, but I would guess he/she is in bed with someone in local government. To be able to blindly deny the obvious takes a powerful emotional attachment.
The ones who do not want a translation even if you post a link have a financial stake and are trying to protect it....We all should know who they are.
BTW keep up the good work...

Out of Control

Yet in all 46 of your posts on Baja Nomad you have not even once translated a Spanish article for us so we all can enjoy the same quality you get. Do you not even trust yourself?

EXCELLENT RANT, Baja Gringo

Staying informed is good, knowing what and where to avoid is good, but the reporting here has become obsessive.


If I searched Google and elsewhere for every bad story about Southern California, I am sure it would not be my other home.

OK, I guess we could be classified as ones having a financial interest here since we have a home in Baja, so if someone thinks that is the only reason we find the continual assault annoying, then so be it. I like to read the stories about what is happening, but now find myself somewhat ignoring them.

I am sure that when the time comes to sell our home, we will still manage to find a buyer----maybe someone who is illiterate and ignorant---that way they won't know that Baja is horribly dangerous.

Diane

Hey, everything is always for sell, for a price.

The news media is almost always biased (one way or another) and often for very different reasons. (They have a specific audience in mind, media is a business, and they strive for ratings within that audience to make.. $$$)

Case in point - Once I saw a report on the local news here in Mexicali that showed the construction of boder wall in a negative light (playing to the local audience). The angle the reporter chose to take? He pointed out trash and debris left by the construction crews. (He found a few empty MRE packs under a bush.)

Don't get me wrong.. The reporter did his job well and played to "his crowd"; but, receiving a lecture from a Mexican about littering is as hypocritical as it gets.


"Controlling the message" happens all the time in the media throughout the world.. not just in Mexico, USA, China, etc.. some places are more controlled than others..

Even in the USA the media is not truly "free" as they have allegiances to the businesses that own them or advertise with them. Our government often controls the release of information about events here and abroad - particularly of" classified" information. Most magazines will not "review" products unless the manufactures advertise with them, etc...

If you want to find the truth, your going to need to dig pretty hard, have personal experience, find multiple sources and truly "learn" to trust your own judgment.. not somebody elses. Even then it can really be hard to know what is what when somebody that controls the information doesn't want you to know the truth.

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Originally posted by Mango The news media is almost always biased (one way or another) and often for very different reasons. (They have a specific audience in mind, media is a business, and they strive for ratings within that audience to make.. $$$) Case in point - Once I saw a report on the local news here in Mexicali that showed the construction of boder wall in a negative light (playing to the local audience). The angle the reporter chose to take? He pointed out trash and debris left by the construction crews. (He found a few empty MRE packs under a bush.) Don't get me wrong.. The reporter did his job well and played to "his crowd"; but, receiving a lecture from a Mexican about littering is as hypocritical as it gets. "Controlling the message" happens all the time in the media throughout the world.. not just in Mexico, USA, China, etc.. some places are more controlled than others.. Even in the USA the media is not truly "free" as they have allegiances to the businesses that own them or advertise with them. Our government often controls the release of information about events here and abroad - particularly of" classified" information. Most magazines will not "review" products unless the manufactures advertise with them, etc... If you want to find the truth, your going to need to dig pretty hard, have personal experience, find multiple sources and truly "learn" to trust your own judgment.. not somebody elses. Even then it can really be hard to know what is what when somebody that controls the information doesn't want you to know the truth.

..and then you'll have more of Baja to shred with your ATV's. Good thinking.

You da man.

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Originally posted by fulano Quote: Originally posted by rts551 Who's selling? As ignorant as Ful Ano is (must have had a bad childhood), maybe it will keep the RifRaf out of baja and the hotels in Asuncion! ..and then you'll have more of Baja to shred with your ATV's. Good thinking. You da man.

A statement in defense

Fulano-------------

--------your defense is missing the bigger point, I think. WHO CARES who threw the "first" insult---------insults are counterproductive, no matter who did it first. You are bigger than that, I am thinking--------don't screw up now, and get EVERYBODY mad!!! You are "new", and yes, we probably do cut some slack for the old timers here--------we LOVE our old timers.

As said before, I appreciate your informative posts, and I hope you keep them up------------just don't fall into the trap of responding to the few who get offended and insult you (which is hard to do, I admit)

Barry

edited to satisfy the "word smiths" on this board----which proves that a college education, even in the USA, does not necessarily prepare you to use "perfect spelling"----at least not in my case. -------but I will stick with my use of the word "love" when it applies to our "old timers", of which I am one.

Barry

[Edited on 7-15-2008 by Barry A.]

[Edited on 7-16-2008 by Barry A.]

Grover--------to whom is this directed??? Little me????
If so, I do acknowledge that I do "belabor" points, probably ad nausium (sp?).

------but I must say that often I am not intelligent enough (??) to even understand what point you are making, but that is my problem, I suppose.


In any case, I too enjoy your posts, when I can understand them.

Barry

Fulano,

I would like to hear your defense of your taking apart Winthy awhile back.

Seems any Nomad doing business in Baja is at risk of assaults from your direction. (Walking tours, Insurance Sales, Real Estate Development, etc.)

Not going to say "double dare you".

Ken

Ken, I would like you to explain your thought process that goes behind your concept that I need to somehow "defend" my actions in pointing out to readers of this board that a person who wants to do business here has a background of known illegal activities.

You are somehow trying to put me on the defense here. I can tell you, quite honestly, I see no reason to defend my actions.

Let me give you an example of why I believe as I do:

Imagine I am standing on a street corner and next to me is a blind man. I see the blind man start to step into the street just as a bus is rapidly approaching him. I grab the blind man by the back of his coat and forcefully yank him back out of the way just in time to save his life. Do I need to defend my actions? I obviously grabbed this man and forced him to move in a direction he had not intended. Did I assault him?

Context Ken. Context is everything. So tell me why you think saying "watch out" is wrong?

Oh, and Ken, the only people who have been "assaulted" by me (to use your term) are people who I have caught lying. And even then, you will see that my response was civil, but stern, and proceded to point out why the post was a lie. Go back and read all my posts, see if you can prove me wrong.

Some people just don't like to be told their baby is ugly.


[Edited on 7-15-2008 by fulano]

I have been lurking on this board for years but felt that I had to jump in and post a comment after reading some of these posts.
I have lived in Baja and owned several Mexican companies over the last 13 years there. The biggest problem with a lot of the comments that are being posted here are that they do not deal with the real problems that someone could encounter in Baja .This is really important since as of last fall, parts of this region has become dangerous and this should not be glossed over by members of this board who have not traveled throughout these areas themselves. This board has been a great help to people over the years as a way to gleen information and to contact people in case of emergency(Hurricane John) and to learn how to travel in a safe manner and to learn about the mexican culture. Fulano has posted some of the most interesting items and while not all of it is for some of the grizzled veterans that swim below the surface here, it is informative to others. A lot has happened since last fall and baja might not recover from some of these new challenges that face the government and the people of Mexico. I can tell you from my own experience that these changes in security for non Mexican subjects has changed the way I travel to Baja and the way I live and do business while I am there. It is very important to stay on top of events before anyone travels to Baja because as the economy slides in The USA and Canada, the crime will get worse in Mexico. We have seen the trickle down (or lack of trickledown) economics on the economy of northern Baja and to a lesser extent further south. As the tourist dollars shrink,the crime rises. When police get paid $80.00 us per week can you understand the temptation to make a little something on the side. Lets tell the truth about what is happening and report on the crime that might interfere with peoples holiday and travels. While what is happening in northern Baja
is not happening in Mulege or Scorpion Bay but most people have to run the gauntlet to get to your hamlets.
I like as much info as I can read and will filter out what does not interest me but do not shoot the messenger just because you might have a business agenda. (a`large number of Nomads are shameless self promoters) This board is a great source of information and entertainment but the attacks on others take something away from it.

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Originally posted by palmeto99 I have been lurking on this board for years but felt that I had to jump in and post a comment after reading some of these posts. I have lived in Baja and owned several Mexican companies over the last 13 years there. The biggest problem with a lot of the comments that are being posted here are that they do not deal with the real problems that someone could encounter in Baja .This is really important since as of last fall, parts of this region has become dangerous and this should not be glossed over by members of this board who have not traveled throughout these areas themselves. This board has been a great help to people over the years as a way to gleen information and to contact people in case of emergency(Hurricane John) and to learn how to travel in a safe manner and to learn about the mexican culture. Fulano has posted some of the most interesting items and while not all of it is for some of the grizzled veterans that swim below the surface here, it is informative to others. A lot has happened since last fall and baja might not recover from some of these new challenges that face the government and the people of Mexico. I can tell you from my own experience that these changes in security for non Mexican subjects has changed the way I travel to Baja and the way I live and do business while I am there. It is very important to stay on top of events before anyone travels to Baja because as the economy slides in The USA and Canada, the crime will get worse in Mexico. We have seen the trickle down (or lack of trickledown) economics on the economy of northern Baja and to a lesser extent further south. As the tourist dollars shrink,the crime rises. When police get paid $80.00 us per week can you understand the temptation to make a little something on the side. Lets tell the truth about what is happening and report on the crime that might interfere with peoples holiday and travels. While what is happening in northern Baja is not happening in Mulege or Scorpion Bay but most people have to run the gauntlet to get to your hamlets. I like as much info as I can read and will filter out what does not interest me but do not shoot the messenger just because you might have a business agenda. (a`large number of Nomads are shameless self promoters) This board is a great source of information and entertainment but the attacks on others take something away from it.

I am afraid my days of lurking are over my friend. I intend to watch this board for self serving apologists who continue to post half truths and attack others for just printing both sides. When I see these posts, I will respond in a polite and informative manner. You can continue to tear up your little section of Baja on your quad.

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Originally posted by palmeto99 I am afraid my days of lurking are over my friend. I intend to watch this board for self serving apologists who continue to post half truths and attack others for just printing both sides. When I see these posts, I will respond in a polite and informative manner. You can continue to tear up your little section of Baja on your quad.

Why thank you for your warm welcome. As for the quads, I used to have a bunch of quad riders tearing up the beach in front of my home and did not like the damage they left.

I gleened the quad info from someones previous post about you. It was not intended to offend you. Its just that you can ride your quad while others will do their thing.

My beach is on the warm side of Baja...Sorry

Its really good to know that retired elderly people are able to extend their spere of influence by zipping around on quads. Kind of reminds me of a monty python skit.

Its beautiful.
Do you think that the locals will leave it undisturbed because of its value as art or will they throw it in the back of the truck for scrap as we have been hearing about because the price of steel has gone through the roof . Just wondering...

Shari,
I am male and have had a home in Loreto for many years. I have had business interests in the south of Baja for many years but have now sold one and am in the process of selling the others due to health reasons. I am married with 2 children and spend my time away from Baja in the eastern US . I do not have any link to my business because I do not need the self promotion that is so common on this board. Nor do I want to be accussed of having a secret agenda here. Is that enough for you or would you like a blood sample. I do not know this fulano but I assume from prvious posts on this board that both he or she like you are Canadian subjects.
I have been to every province and territory in Canada on business and pleasure but meeting fulano was not one of them.

He (fulano ) was accused of being a canuck by the realestate guy he exposed as a convicted stock promoter some time ago on this forum. The promoter/developer went on in some detail about how terrible the Canadians were and even suggested they were bad for Baja
You and I both know that is false and most canadians are hard working and honest. They are a little liberal and antiamerican for me at times but I like them in spite of that.

Wow, great memory you have...do you remeber the post about Fulano's name being Nancy which I figure is a "she"
gald to hear you approve and even like some canadains...

Palmettos

It was said in jest and if I offended you,I apologize. As for the canucks , I am guilty.

Can't we keep to the thread in question?

I am totally against CROSS THREADING!

How about this?

What kind of man are you?

...............andthen there are our long time Nomads that have never revealed their identity. Maybe we shouldn't know.

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Originally posted by ELINVESTI8 [Edited on 7-18-2008 by ELINVESTI8]

I don't think I'd find you there, Ralphie. You're probably here:

I'm in .... when's the BBQ

CaboRon

You can come to my BBQ also, as long as you bring beer, tequila, T bones and baby back ribs. I have the BBQ sauce.
Hope they're not all in the same week,(those BBQ's that is) otherwise you'll be looking like Gore before you know it.

its moving grover and so is that vertigo one i looked at yesterday

I doesn't matter if it was a man or woman .... it was a stupid argument ..... machismo has nothing to do with it ... "if you were really a man" what the F is that ?

And I like Dr. Phil so I take that as high praise.

Thank you very much,

CaboRon

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Originally posted by CaboRon Quote: Originally posted by The Gull Quote: Originally posted by CaboRon Quote: Originally posted by guadalupe No Fulano, I do not know baja gringo personally but after reading what both of you post here it seems like the one who has a problem is you. What I really find strange is that if you are really a man that you try to get revenge against other men because of what they write by saying very mean and offensive things about their wife and female friends. That does not sound like much of a man to me. If you are a real man you would answer back to the person you disagree with, not attack a woman who had nothing to do with it. Half the problem in Mexico is because everyone including the women are concerned with their manhood. It is the source of the passive-agressive stance against Americans. And you must know, most American men are secure in their manhood, so you need to find some other button to push if you want to embarress us. You need no one else but yourself to be "embarressed". Did this post make you feel more like a man, studly? You are clearly competing with Dr. Phil with your BS and unsupported generalizations. Foolano is offensive toward women and you defend him by attacking one. Perfect love connection you got there. I doesn't matter if it was a man or woman .... it was a stupid argument ..... machismo has nothing to do with it ... "if you were really a man" what the F is that ? And I like Dr. Phil so I take that as high praise. Thank you very much, CaboRon

Dr. Phil is a marooon and is followed by such..

I have to hand it to you fulano de tal, you can stir it up around here, you got me out of the woodwork and I don't usually bite on this stuff, BUT, I must disagree with you.

I have a house in Baja and go often, I am treated with the utmost respect ESPECIALLY by men, so in my experience Mexico is not one of the worst places for women as you say. I am speaking for myself not others by the way.

As far as the ad you quoted. Look on Craigslist or any personal ad sites and you will see guys asking for far worst than what you wrote, here in the good ole US of A. What is wrong with someone asking for what they want anyway? If you don't fit the description don't answer the ad. Women also ask for no fat, bald, middle age men, so what?

Peace to you brother or sister, and try to make some friends, life's more fun that way.

That signed edition of Plato's Republic is exteemly rate





[Edited on 7-21-2008 by CaboRon]