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fulano
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Controlling the message
I have stated here many times, that the Mexican news media reports just about everything that goes on in Mexico, and the reporting is good...not
great...but good. Very little of this news trickles into the mainstream US news media. There is good reason for that. Much of the news is "local" news
and not considered of interest in the US. That is perfectly understandable. But people who use this message board are interested in the local news,
and many do not read Spanish well, or at all.
It is my observation that some of the people here who are well-spoken in Spanish prefer to "control" the message content here. They do this by either
ignoring the news or "biasing" it when they summarize it for the English readers. It has also been my observation that if these very same people
cannot stop others from trying to report the news, they try to discredit the reports by raising concerns about the translation or just plain telling
them to not translate because "they" would prefer to read the news themselves in Spanish. Of course, that would be the same thing as censoring the
Spanish news from the English speakers.
I have posted below a link to an article that just came out in Zeta. For those who do not know of Zeta, its former editor was assassinated for his
reporting. It is a very powerful piece. I would be amazed if it is not picked up by the US newspapers. Unfortunately it is in Spanish, and too long to
translate. However, I have also posted a link to the Google translator, which does a decent enough job that it should be understood.
To summarize it, the new police chief of Rosarito, who came from the military, says that his entire police department is corrupt and the crime rates
have actually increased over the past months.
The article:
http://www.zetatijuana.com/html/EdicionActual/Reportajez-3-M...
The translator:
http://translate.google.com/translate_t?sl=es&tl=en
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Bajajack
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I'm pretty sure they will be replacing him very soon.
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comitan
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Some more info on the Mexican news, if you go to Google Mexico news, copy the URL put it into the Google translator for URL first clear where you put
it and you will Get Google Mexico news translated I have added this Icon to my desktop for easy access.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Al G
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"To summarize it, the new police chief of Rosarito, who came from the military, says that his entire police department is corrupt and the crime
rates have actually increased over the past months."
This is not NEWS...There is not a sole here that would deny this, except a few like Gull. Don't know this person, but I would guess he/she is in bed
with someone in local government. To be able to blindly deny the obvious takes a powerful emotional attachment.
The ones who do not want a translation even if you post a link have a financial stake and are trying to protect it....We all should know who they are.
BTW keep up the good work...
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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MrBillM
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Out of Control
For those old enough who were paying attention, Back in the days when C-Band Satellite first became so cheap that the antennas were popping up all
over Baja, the Mexican Government became concerned that the NEWS being distributed via Mexican sources was so often at odds with that being reported
on the Southern California (and elsewhere, I imagine) Spanish-Language TV stations coming in via satellite. As a result they attempted
(unsuccessfully) to purchase those offending stations.
It was covered extensively at the time in the print (Los Angeles Times) and broadcast media.
It is ALWAYS the desire of Governments to control the (Bad) news.
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Photog
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| Quote: | "To summarize it, the new police chief of Rosarito, who came from the military, says that his entire police department is corrupt and the crime rates
have actually increased over the past months."
This is not NEWS...There is not a sole here that would deny this, except a few like Gull. Don't know this person, but I would guess he/she is in bed
with someone in local government. To be able to blindly deny the obvious takes a powerful emotional attachment.
The ones who do not want a translation even if you post a link have a financial stake and are trying to protect it....We all should know who they are.
BTW keep up the good work... |
From what I've read it seems more than just a few here on Nomads are in denial. Keep up the posts Fulano.
One other interesting statement was included in the article / interview with the new police chief: 1 in 10 residents in the Playa Rosarito
jurisdiction are drug users:
| Quote: | | Además de complementarse la inseguridad con una problemática social provocada por los rezagos en materia económica, educativa y de salud pública,
particularmente en cuanto a la prevención del consumo de drogas y la rehabilitación de adictos. Un reto de gran magnitud para un municipio en el que
uno de cada diez habitantes consume enervantes, de acuerdo con las estadísticas municipales más recientes, citadas por el regidor José Manuel Ciprés
Tinoco, presidente de la comisión de Seguridad Pública. |
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Eugenio
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Denial of what photog?
And name us some names.
It's pretty easy to pick out snippets on the web (especially since journalists are so lazy) to support whatever view you'd care to support. I frankly
just don't trust someone with an agenda to do the picking and the translating. In particular when the quality of the translations is so low.
So please add my name to the list.
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fulano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Eugenio
Denial of what photog?
And name us some names.
It's pretty easy to pick out snippets on the web (especially since journalists are so lazy) to support whatever view you'd care to support. I frankly
just don't trust someone with an agenda to do the picking and the translating. In particular when the quality of the translations is so low.
So please add my name to the list. |
Yet in all 46 of your posts on Baja Nomad you have not even once translated a Spanish article for us so we all can enjoy the same quality you get. Do
you not even trust yourself?
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BajaGringo
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Reporting of news seems to be something you can never get 100% of the people to agree on. Personal experience, bias, agenda and advertising dollars as
well as the desire for the story itself to "sell" all go into molding the final copy. Just because it is in the paper or on the six o'clock news
doesn't mean that it is an accurate representation of events or the story itself.
A recent headline in the San Diego paper carried the title of something like "Gringos dodging bullets to buy cheap gas in Tijuana".
The story contained some facts:
1. There are bullets flying in some parts of Tijuana at some time during the day.
2. Gringos are driving across the border to buy cheap gas.
To stretch those facts into that headline was pure yellow journalism in my opinion. I have watched here on Baja Nomad where someone counters a news
story with their own experience or opinion and is immediately shot down by a few as having an "agenda", being in someone's "pocket" or on the
"payroll" of another.
The reality is that your perspective is biased by your own experience. It isn't always about money, agenda or where your paycheck comes from. If you
have had a bad experience here you may likely have a very negative opinion. I understand that. I felt that way about Long Beach for a long time where
my business was broken into several times, we would hear gunshots at all hours, several vehicles were stolen, an employee was held up on our front
door step, etc. It happens.
Not everyone has had a bad experience down in Baja and most Gringos will tell you that their overall experience here has been positive. Nothing is
100% and to pretend that no problem exists or to believe that you are somehow isolated from the problem of crime or violence is ignorance. At the same
time you can't let that become an obsession, seeking out all corners of the internet to find an article somewhere in time that supports your case. To
do so 24 hours a day only converts your life into a bitter (and boring) diatribe.
I think it is good that Nomads share advice and warnings where care should be taken but at the same time you have to decide when it just becomes
piling on for the sake of piling on. I watched what happened to Fernando in another thread. I don't know him personally but he seems to be a good
contributor to Baja Nomad and has gone out of his way to help many here. I thought it was sad that this guy was just ripped apart for posting an
opposing view based on a lifetime of living, working and raising his family in Tijuana. I was embarrassed by some of the responses made to him.
Baja Nomad is big enough for all; with different points of views, experiences and perspectives. It would be boring if we all were alike and a lot of
the "charm" of this site is probably rooted in that "occasional" friction that comes up from time to time.
We could all point fingers and some of that blame could probably be laid on my shoulders as well. I'll take my share of the blame where due and I just
ask some of the rest of you here to join me and make an effort to keep things civil, even when we disagree.
OK, I'm done. Rant over.
I will now return you to your regularly scheduled programming...
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DianaT
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EXCELLENT RANT, Baja Gringo
Staying informed is good, knowing what and where to avoid is good, but the reporting here has become obsessive.
If I searched Google and elsewhere for every bad story about Southern California, I am sure it would not be my other home.
OK, I guess we could be classified as ones having a financial interest here since we have a home in Baja, so if someone thinks that is the only reason
we find the continual assault annoying, then so be it. I like to read the stories about what is happening, but now find myself somewhat ignoring
them.
I am sure that when the time comes to sell our home, we will still manage to find a buyer----maybe someone who is illiterate and ignorant---that way
they won't know that Baja is horribly dangerous.
Diane
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rts551
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Who's selling? As ignorant as Ful Ano is (must have had a bad childhood), maybe it will keep the RifRaf out of baja and the hotels in Asuncion!
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
Who's selling? As ignorant as Ful Ano is (must have had a bad childhood), maybe it will keep the RifRaf out of baja and the hotels in Asuncion!
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Hey, everything is always for sell, for a price. 
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Capt. George
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GREAT RANT BajaGringo
about says it all. thanks cap'n g
\"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men\" Plato
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Mango
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The news media is almost always biased (one way or another) and often for very different reasons. (They have a specific audience in mind, media is a
business, and they strive for ratings within that audience to make.. $$$)
Case in point - Once I saw a report on the local news here in Mexicali that showed the construction of boder wall in a negative light (playing to the
local audience). The angle the reporter chose to take? He pointed out trash and debris left by the construction crews. (He found a few empty MRE
packs under a bush.)
Don't get me wrong.. The reporter did his job well and played to "his crowd"; but, receiving a lecture from a Mexican about littering is as
hypocritical as it gets.
"Controlling the message" happens all the time in the media throughout the world.. not just in Mexico, USA, China, etc.. some places are more
controlled than others..
Even in the USA the media is not truly "free" as they have allegiances to the businesses that own them or advertise with them. Our government often
controls the release of information about events here and abroad - particularly of" classified" information. Most magazines will not "review"
products unless the manufactures advertise with them, etc...
If you want to find the truth, your going to need to dig pretty hard, have personal experience, find multiple sources and truly "learn" to trust your
own judgment.. not somebody elses. Even then it can really be hard to know what is what when somebody that controls the information doesn't want you
to know the truth.
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rts551
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OMG. Experience and Judgment??????? Well that sure leaves a lot of people out.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mango
The news media is almost always biased (one way or another) and often for very different reasons. (They have a specific audience in mind, media is a
business, and they strive for ratings within that audience to make.. $$$)
Case in point - Once I saw a report on the local news here in Mexicali that showed the construction of boder wall in a negative light (playing to the
local audience). The angle the reporter chose to take? He pointed out trash and debris left by the construction crews. (He found a few empty MRE
packs under a bush.)
Don't get me wrong.. The reporter did his job well and played to "his crowd"; but, receiving a lecture from a Mexican about littering is as
hypocritical as it gets.
"Controlling the message" happens all the time in the media throughout the world.. not just in Mexico, USA, China, etc.. some places are more
controlled than others..
Even in the USA the media is not truly "free" as they have allegiances to the businesses that own them or advertise with them. Our government often
controls the release of information about events here and abroad - particularly of" classified" information. Most magazines will not "review"
products unless the manufactures advertise with them, etc...
If you want to find the truth, your going to need to dig pretty hard, have personal experience, find multiple sources and truly "learn" to trust your
own judgment.. not somebody elses. Even then it can really be hard to know what is what when somebody that controls the information doesn't want you
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fulano
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And it is that in this treasonous world nothing is truth or lie:
everything is according to the color of the crystal through which it is seen.
...Ramón María de las Mercedes de Campoamor y Campoosorio
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fulano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
Reporting of news seems to be something you can never get 100% of the people to agree on. Personal experience, bias, agenda and advertising dollars as
well as the desire for the story itself to "sell" all go into molding the final copy. |
All the more reason to NOT controll the message and let all viewpoints be heard and let the readers make an informed decision....right?
What sayest thou to that?
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fulano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
Who's selling? As ignorant as Ful Ano is (must have had a bad childhood), maybe it will keep the RifRaf out of baja and the hotels in Asuncion!
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..and then you'll have more of Baja to shred with your ATV's. Good thinking.
You da man.
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fulano
| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
Who's selling? As ignorant as Ful Ano is (must have had a bad childhood), maybe it will keep the RifRaf out of baja and the hotels in Asuncion!
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..and then you'll have more of Baja to shred with your ATV's. Good thinking.
You da man.
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You rite Ful Can I give you a little cheese with that whine
[Edited on 7-15-2008 by rts551]
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BajaGringo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fulano
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
Reporting of news seems to be something you can never get 100% of the people to agree on. Personal experience, bias, agenda and advertising dollars as
well as the desire for the story itself to "sell" all go into molding the final copy. |
All the more reason to NOT controll the message and let all viewpoints be heard and let the readers make an informed decision....right?
What sayest thou to that? |
I agree that it is good to let all viewpoints be heard. I also offered out my hand to be civil when we disagree.
What sayest thou to that?
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