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Failed State Redux

fulano - 7-16-2008 at 02:10 AM

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Drug cartels ‘threaten’ Mexican democracy

The head of Mexico’s intelligence service has warned that the country’s democratic institutions, including the national Congress, are under threat from powerful drugs cartels.

In one of the frankest admissions yet from a leading authority of the scale of the problem confronting Mexico, Guillermo Valdés, head of Cisen, the government’s intelligence organisation, told the Financial Times and a small group of foreign media recently: “Drug traffickers have become the principal threat because they are trying to take over the power of the state.”


The rest here:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9a8272f6-510d-11dd-b751-000077b076...

fishbuck - 7-16-2008 at 02:54 AM

Senor Fulano,

Is it your full time job to find these articles? You are consistant and persistant. It amazes.
Thank you for your efforts but it seems a little one sided. Perhaps someone of your talent could find some articles that might balance the message a little.
The sky seems to be falling and the end near in your journalistic world.
I do appreciate the truth. But maybe there are some other truths out there that are going unreported.
Just maybe.

palmeto99 - 7-16-2008 at 06:06 AM

Its only one sided because there have not been any stories or articles reporting about the cartels handing out food to the poor or repairing bridges. Can you imagine the uproar if the chief of police and his subcommanders were killed in every major police force in the states by organized crime. This what has happened in Mexico since last fall. Mexico is under seige and unless the Government and its forces get the upper hand, you could be seeing a new Columbia happening right on the US border.

Osprey - 7-16-2008 at 06:09 AM

On this one, if you feel like you want to shoot the messenger, you don't understand the message.

Taking Aim

MrBillM - 7-16-2008 at 09:10 AM

Well, one thing you can say for shooting the messenger is that it get him to SHUT-UP. Messengers are easily replaced.

Cypress - 7-16-2008 at 10:10 AM

The drug cartels of houses full of money. It's probably cheaper to pay to have an official killed than to bribe 'em.:OMany US politicans have been bought with pocket change compared to what's being tossed around south of the border.:lol:

CaboRon - 7-16-2008 at 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by fishbuck
Senor Fulano,

Is it your full time job to find these articles? You are consistant and persistant. It amazes.
Thank you for your efforts but it seems a little one sided. Perhaps someone of your talent could find some articles that might balance the message a little.
The sky seems to be falling and the end near in your journalistic world.
I do appreciate the truth. But maybe there are some other truths out there that are going unreported.
Just maybe.


Fishbuck,

If you want to hear other views, nothing is stopping you from researching and posting your views.

Don't slam the messenger .... get involved yourself.

CaboRon

fulano - 7-16-2008 at 10:35 AM

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Originally posted by fishbuck
Senor Fulano,

Is it your full time job to find these articles? ...I do appreciate the truth. But maybe there are some other truths out there that are going unreported.


Please feel free to report them. And I promise I will not tell you to shut up. I don't try to "control the message".
:rolleyes:

Bruce R Leech - 7-16-2008 at 10:37 AM

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Originally posted by fulano
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Drug cartels ‘threaten’ Mexican democracy

The head of Mexico’s intelligence service has warned that the country’s democratic institutions, including the national Congress, are under threat from powerful drugs cartels.

In one of the frankest admissions yet from a leading authority of the scale of the problem confronting Mexico, Guillermo Valdés, head of Cisen, the government’s intelligence organisation, told the Financial Times and a small group of foreign media recently: “Drug traffickers have become the principal threat because they are trying to take over the power of the state.”


The rest here:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9a8272f6-510d-11dd-b751-000077b076...


they already have control:light:

palmeto99 - 7-16-2008 at 11:08 AM

Bruce,
Do you find it safer in Ensenada compared to Mulege.? What about schools and the cost of living. My friends in Mulege tell me crime is on the rise there...:no:

gnukid - 7-16-2008 at 11:09 AM

The truth will set us free.

There is a plan. The plan is in place. The Governments are executing their plan. There is also a COG or Continuity of Government Plan should there be a complete (expected) breakdown.

It is nice to see that there is some discussion here about these issues.

So now we see that all that is happening with drug trade, currency, food and energy pricing is a cohesive pact.

The end result will be the destruction of North America as we know it and the recreation of a common union with a militaristic police state and common currency.

If you are against this coup get involved. Take your heads out of the sand and participate in making the state lawful according to our existing laws.

Bruce R Leech - 7-16-2008 at 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by palmeto99
Bruce,
Do you find it safer in Ensenada compared to Mulege.? What about schools and the cost of living. My friends in Mulege tell me crime is on the rise there...:no:


it is a a little safer here. the biggest deference is that no one cartel owns the whole system here. in Mulege it is a deferent story. it is safe enough in both places as long as you understand how things work and stay away from things that most folks don't even know exist.

oldlady - 7-16-2008 at 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
The truth will set us free.

There is a plan. The plan is in place. The Governments are executing their plan. There is also a COG or Continuity of Government Plan should there be a complete (expected) breakdown.

It is nice to see that there is some discussion here about these issues.

So now we see that all that is happening with drug trade, currency, food and energy pricing is a cohesive pact.

The end result will be the destruction of North America as we know it and the recreation of a common union with a militaristic police state and common currency.

If you are against this coup get involved. Take your heads out of the sand and participate in making the state lawful according to our existing laws.


And your recommendation for participatory action is......?
And the consequences of those actions would be.......?

When there are US troops

Bajajack - 7-16-2008 at 12:20 PM

On the mexican side of the border it will change!

gnukid - 7-16-2008 at 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by oldlady
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Originally posted by gnukid
The truth will set us free.

There is a plan. The plan is in place. The Governments are executing their plan. There is also a COG or Continuity of Government Plan should there be a complete (expected) breakdown.

It is nice to see that there is some discussion here about these issues.

So now we see that all that is happening with drug trade, currency, food and energy pricing is a cohesive pact.

The end result will be the destruction of North America as we know it and the recreation of a common union with a militaristic police state and common currency.

If you are against this coup get involved. Take your heads out of the sand and participate in making the state lawful according to our existing laws.


And your recommendation for participatory action is......?
And the consequences of those actions would be.......?


The actions are entirely up to you.

I can relate some personal choices, like most of you, I have reduced my dependency on banking institutions, I paid off my mortgage and have no debt. I do not depend on gas and drive less. I garden, I save and plan for independence during increasingly tough times ahead.

I read and relate factual stories and questions patternistic lies. I look for evidence of truth and connect the dots over time. I express my concerns and communicate them. I am peaceful but forthright. I vote, I write and speak up about issues without being forceful or aggressive.

Each of you are extremely powerful in your ability to speak, write and organize.

If you are unsure about these issues, schedule time in your day each day to research. Use Google or any search tool and practice looking for things. Its a skill. By doing your own research you will find AP stories, Reuters stories, Independent writers, major contributors and whistleblowers and by looking at more sources you may come to own conclusions.

It starts with knowing the current laws and your rights and standing up for yourself in your daily life pursuit.

If you don't do your own work here you are already a slave to the new world order. You are already in fear of fear itself and probably unwilling to stand up for what is right.

There is nothing anyone can do to make you participate in making your republic free and functioning if you don't want to participate. And no one will do it for you. If you do want to be informed and participate, please be involved, talk with friends, listen to each other, talk about war, talk about peace, talk about torture, talk about sovereignty, talk seriously and pursue connecting the dots.

I have a great deal of faith that anyone who is a Nomad is resourceful.

oldlady - 7-16-2008 at 03:18 PM

Thank you, gnukid, for a thoughtful response.

fishbuck - 7-16-2008 at 03:30 PM

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Originally posted by fulano
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Originally posted by fishbuck
Senor Fulano,

Is it your full time job to find these articles? ...I do appreciate the truth. But maybe there are some other truths out there that are going unreported.


Please feel free to report them. And I promise I will not tell you to shut up. I don't try to "control the message".
:rolleyes:


Well, I'll try and find some good news. Anybody want to pitch in a good report?
I only know stuff about fishing and "ladies bars". But somehow that seems to be enough to keep me happy.:cool:

palmeto99 - 7-16-2008 at 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by fishbuck
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Originally posted by fulano
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Originally posted by fishbuck
Senor Fulano,

Is it your full time job to find these articles? ...I do appreciate the truth. But maybe there are some other truths out there that are going unreported.


Please feel free to report them. And I promise I will not tell you to shut up. I don't try to "control the message".
:rolleyes:


Well, I'll try and find some good news. Anybody want to pitch in a good report?
I only know stuff about fishing and "ladies bars". But somehow that seems to be enough to keep me happy.:cool:


There is a lot more to Baja besides bars and fishing my friend. Do you live in Baja,Do you have investments such as land or a home here. Do you have family here. If you can answer yes to any of these questions you really need to research what really is going on down here.
Do not worry, Baja is not being put down. Its being discussed.:cool:

fishbuck - 7-16-2008 at 03:52 PM

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Originally posted by palmeto99
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Originally posted by fishbuck
Senor Fulano,

Is it your full time job to find these articles? ...I do appreciate the truth. But maybe there are some other truths out there that are going unreported.


Please feel free to report them. And I promise I will not tell you to shut up. I don't try to "control the message".
:rolleyes:


Well, I'll try and find some good news. Anybody want to pitch in a good report?
I only know stuff about fishing and "ladies bars". But somehow that seems to be enough to keep me happy.:cool:


There is a lot more to Baja besides bars and fishing my friend. Do you live in Baja,Do you have investments such as land or a home here. Do you have family here. If you can answer yes to any of these questions you really need to research what really is going on down here.
Do not worry, Baja is not being put down. Its being discussed.:cool:


Um okay.

So drug cartels are fighting it out and taking over the government. Somehow or another I should be concerned about this.
Did I miss anything? Because most of these reports say the same thing. So if there is nothing knew I'm going back to the bar until it's time to go fishing. Girls are waiting for me.;D

tripledigitken - 7-16-2008 at 03:55 PM

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Did I miss anything? Because most of these reports say the same thing. So if there is nothing knew I'm going back to the bar until it's time to go fishing. Girls are waiting for me.;D



:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

CaboRon - 7-16-2008 at 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by Osprey
On this one, if you feel like you want to shoot the messenger, you don't understand the message.


Thankyou Osprey .

CaboRon

fishbuck - 7-16-2008 at 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by CaboRon
Quote:
Originally posted by Osprey
On this one, if you feel like you want to shoot the messenger, you don't understand the message.


Thankyou Osprey .

CaboRon


So are you going to tell us all the message?:light:

palmeto99 - 7-16-2008 at 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by fishbuck
Senor Fulano,

Is it your full time job to find these articles? ...I do appreciate the truth. But maybe there are some other truths out there that are going unreported.


Please feel free to report them. And I promise I will not tell you to shut up. I don't try to "control the message".
:rolleyes:


Well, I'll try and find some good news. Anybody want to pitch in a good report?
I only know stuff about fishing and "ladies bars". But somehow that seems to be enough to keep me happy.:cool:


There is a lot more to Baja besides bars and fishing my friend. Do you live in Baja,Do you have investments such as land or a home here. Do you have family here. If you can answer yes to any of these questions you really need to research what really is going on down here.
Do not worry, Baja is not being put down. Its being discussed.:cool:


Um okay.

So drug cartels are fighting it out and taking over the government. Somehow or another I should be concerned about this.
Did I miss anything? Because most of these reports say the same thing. So if there is nothing knew I'm going back to the bar until it's time to go fishing. Girls are waiting for me.;D



Oh ya, I forgot. Your the ladies man that pays for new boobs. Deal with that issue because its relative to your involvement to Baja.;D

comitan - 7-16-2008 at 05:48 PM

Sorry no failed state yet, as long as the military is battling the cartels, which is happening all over Mexico and many casualties every week.

palmeto99 - 7-16-2008 at 05:56 PM

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Your right, It is a bit much isnt it...:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

fishbuck - 7-16-2008 at 06:05 PM

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Senor Fulano,

Is it your full time job to find these articles? ...I do appreciate the truth. But maybe there are some other truths out there that are going unreported.


Please feel free to report them. And I promise I will not tell you to shut up. I don't try to "control the message".
:rolleyes:


Well, I'll try and find some good news. Anybody want to pitch in a good report?
I only know stuff about fishing and "ladies bars". But somehow that seems to be enough to keep me happy.:cool:


There is a lot more to Baja besides bars and fishing my friend. Do you live in Baja,Do you have investments such as land or a home here. Do you have family here. If you can answer yes to any of these questions you really need to research what really is going on down here.
Do not worry, Baja is not being put down. Its being discussed.:cool:


Um okay.

So drug cartels are fighting it out and taking over the government. Somehow or another I should be concerned about this.
Did I miss anything? Because most of these reports say the same thing. So if there is nothing knew I'm going back to the bar until it's time to go fishing. Girls are waiting for me.;D



Oh ya, I forgot. Your the ladies man that pays for new boobs. Deal with that issue because its relative to your involvement to Baja.;D


Well, I'd like to see you connect those dots. How exactly is the "issue" relative to new boobs?

palmeto99 - 7-16-2008 at 06:13 PM

You know where I was going with that one. By your own admission you come to Mexico to get drunk, chase women in the middle of the night and go fishing once in a while. You are right. The issues I talk about do not seem to involve you and many others who do not have a day to day commitment or interest in Baja. Please disregard my previous posts to you.:coolup:

fishbuck - 7-16-2008 at 06:26 PM

Well Palmeto99 and others. Yes I'm am a bit flippant in my responses to the"issue" or "message".
Which I believe is something like Baja is being changed by the increase or perceived increase in drug cartel related crime.
But just exactly what is it you expect people to do? I'm aware but am powerless to take action.
But I'm not going to boycott baja. That seems to be punishing myself.
My message is"life goes on".
I don't consider myself a ladies man but I do enjoy the company of ladies. I hope to find a special one and build a palace by the sea for us someday.
But until that time I intend to enjoy Baja and am not even the least bit scared of going there.
Why should I be?

palmeto99 - 7-17-2008 at 08:03 PM

Continue to do what you do, While you are in the big city gettin your ya yas out, Maybe the bad guys will leave us alone. Heres a little hint for ya. Hide your wallet before you go on the hunt in your truck...:cool:

Relative or Not relative?

Lee - 7-17-2008 at 08:23 PM

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Originally posted by palmeto99
Oh ya, I forgot. Your the ladies man that pays for new boobs. Deal with that issue because its relative to your involvement to Baja.;D


Can you tell us WHY you're picking on Fishback AND questioning his lifestyle? And, how are new boobs bought in Baja NOT relative to involvement in Baja?

palmeto99 - 7-17-2008 at 09:01 PM

There are marginal folks such as fishbuck and yourself that clog this board with foolish filler and the rest of us who have real interests in baja are now starting to fill it back up with real issues and real problems. Yes, I have not posted anything in 4 years of lurking but I and many others are calling crap on misinformation and out and out lies on this board. Post the truth and stop lying to potential new Baja residents and investors and your BS will not be called into question.
In other words, think before you post because there are people watching the posts that will correct the BS about home ownership, leasing property, title insurance,banking,immigration,working in Mexico,CRIME,corrupt police and many other issues that are presented here on a daily basis. Stop sugercoating all the above issues so people have a chance when dealing with real issues while debating Mexico should they take the chance on Mexico.. There are many people on this board that know what I am talking about and they will be the ones that will step up and set the record straight.. The honest ones will step up and talk about these issues not to punish this board but to educate the newbes about what not to do when they get to Mexico. Do not take it personal but as a request to be more honest and informative.:cool:

fishbuck - 7-17-2008 at 09:51 PM

"There are marginal folks such as fishbuck and yourself that clog this board with foolish filler..."

Palmeto99, I hope your just playing here because if not you are taking yourself way to seriously. :mad::fire:
Maybe you could tell us one of your funny little stories... that is if you have any.:lol::lol::lol: