BajaNomad - IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT TO AMERICAN CITIZENS

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT TO AMERICAN CITIZENS

sanluquëna - 8-3-2008 at 09:30 AM

PLEASE CIRCULATE THIS IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT TO
AS MANY AMERICAN CITIZENS AS POSSIBLE
Warden Message

August 1, 2008

Possible Demonstrations Arising from the Scheduled Execution of Jose Ernesto Medellin

The U.S. Embassy has received information that numerous demonstrations may occur in Mexico on or around August 5, 2008, to protest the scheduled execution in Texas of prisoner José Ernesto Medellín, a Mexican citizen. The Embassy urges all U.S. citizens in Mexico to be especially mindful of demonstrations taking place in their town or city, or in areas to which they intend to travel.

Travelers should be aware that various political activists abroad frequently seek to use public demonstrations to forward a variety of political objectives and that it is likely that such activists may use the occasion of anti-execution demonstrations to raise other issues involving the United States or to incite anti-U.S. sentiment in general.
The Mexican Constitution prohibits political activities by foreigners, and such actions may result in detention and/or deportation. Travelers should avoid political demonstrations and other activities that might be deemed political by the Mexican authorities. We wish to remind American citizens that even demonstrations intended to be peaceful can turn confrontational and possibly escalate into violence. American citizens are therefore urged to avoid the areas of demonstrations if possible, and to exercise caution if in the vicinity of any demonstrations.
The Department of State urges American citizens to take responsibility for their own personal security while traveling overseas. For the latest security information, Americans traveling abroad should regularly monitor the Department's travel website, http://www.travel.state.gov, where the current Worldwide Caution, Travel Warnings, and Travel Alerts can be found. Please visit the Safety Issues section for additional safety information.
Up-to-date information on safety and security can also be obtained by calling 1-888-407-4747 toll free in the United States, or, for callers outside the United States and Canada, a regular toll line at 1-202-501-4444. These numbers are available from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Eastern Time, Monday through Friday (except U.S. federal holidays).

To contact U.S. Consulate General Tijuana
Call (52) (624) 622-74-00
To contact the U.S. Consular Agency in Cabo San Lucas
Call (52) (624) 143-35-66

Eugenio - 8-3-2008 at 09:39 AM

For what it's worth - in my experience - the vast majority of mexicans I have contact with wish that Mexico also had the death penalty - and most even support (or don't have a problem with) Uncle Sam putting down a mexican murderer in the US - just my own unofficial poll.

DianaT - 8-3-2008 at 09:44 AM

This is a typical State Department Announcement---we had the same one issued when we were in Honduras and a Honduran was being executed, also by Texas.

It was not a problem, but we did stay out of the capital and away from the Embassy where there were some protests.

Also had the same thing in Mexico City, only it was when the US took out Noriega.

I would not be real concerned, just lay low and if you see a deomonstration, go the other way. Embassys and Consulates seem to be popular places for protests.

Diane

CaboRon - 8-3-2008 at 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by jdtrotter

I would not be real concerned, just lay low and if you see a deomonstration, go the other way.

Diane

Excellent advice.

CaboRon

DianaT - 8-3-2008 at 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by CaboRon

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Originally posted by jdtrotter

I would not be real concerned, just lay low and if you see a deomonstration, go the other way.

Diane

Excellent advice.

CaboRon

Except for that awful spelling mistake I made. Shouldn't type with just one cup of coffee. :lol:

guadalupe - 8-3-2008 at 11:10 AM

Most people in my country who know about this case are disgusted and support this execution. Many are using this case as an example of why we need execution as a punishment for extreme crimes.

CaboRon - 8-3-2008 at 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by grover

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Originally posted by sanluquëna...

I'm kinda curious about the username...

Shouldn't it be sanluqueña?

What's in a name ?

It is a noun, so anything goes.

CaboRon

CaboRon - 8-3-2008 at 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by jdtrotter

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Originally posted by CaboRon

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Originally posted by jdtrotter

I would not be real concerned, just lay low and if you see a deomonstration, go the other way.

Diane

Excellent advice.

CaboRon

Except for that awful spelling mistake I made. Shouldn't type with just one cup of coffee. :lol:

So, you are not a touch typist ? :lol:

jodiego - 8-3-2008 at 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by guadalupe
Most people in my country who know about this case are disgusted and support this execution. Many are using this case as an example of why we need execution as a punishment for extreme crimes.

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The death penalty does NOT deter criminals from commiting heinous crimes. Do you honestly believe that killing Medellin is going to deter the drug lords in Mexico? It might even increase crimes against Americans.

vgabndo - 8-3-2008 at 11:32 PM

I guarantee it will deter Medellin!

As a MKP warrior I judge that there is more than one way to change the world "one man at a time".

Deterrent

MrBillM - 8-4-2008 at 09:07 AM

The Death Penalty is an ABSOLUTE deterrent. The Criminal executed will be deterred from any further crime.

BUT, Who cares ? It is just PUNISHMENT for his act.

losfrailes - 8-4-2008 at 09:18 AM

Ah, the misspelling cop!! You're found out!

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Originally posted by grover

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Originally posted by sanluquëna...

I'm kinda curious about the username...

Shouldn't it be sanluqueña?

CaboRon - 8-4-2008 at 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by vgabndo

As a MKP warrior

What's an MKP warrior ....

Do you carry a gun ?

CaboRon

Udo - 8-4-2008 at 04:37 PM

I am just guessing.
I went to high school at Mark Keppel, in Alhambra. Their mascot was the Aztec. And we were known as MKP.
I think MKP's had spears, arrows, and sling shots.

jodiego - 8-4-2008 at 06:10 PM

Google MKP warrior.

[Edited on 8-5-2008 by jodiego]

CaboRon - 8-4-2008 at 06:51 PM

I did google MKP and this is what I found .....

The problem I have with the compliments is that NONE of them come from outside of the MKP (NWTA). Why is there no research or official support from the APA or other governing bodies? If the weekend is so effective, this would be the next logical step. There are doctoral statements (all of which seem to cite the same single man as a contributor...Chris Burke, MKP's research director), and lots of single statements, but no hard scientific proof.

When I was approached to attend, I asked about suicides after the weekend, I was told there have been two in this province "but they would have done it anyway". There are also reports of men coming home and physically abusing their wives, I have no evidence of it, but judging by the men's state of mind at the end of the weekend.... it fits.

"Another interesting thing is that MKP has people on staff whose only job is to search online to find and "deal with" negative feedback. Doesn't really fit a group who supposedly help individuals achieve integrity and self-congruance.

In the end the choice about the group's motives and your attendance is yours to make. Just be careful, I know first hand the lengths they will go to in an attempt to coerce you.

From my personal experience (for what it's worth "

:lol:

Is this the new EST ...... I actually knew Warner Erhart and he was an unbelievable fraud ....

We called them EST Holes :lol:

CaboRon

DENNIS - 8-5-2008 at 07:52 AM

Back on track here folks......
Today is the day, August 5, when we may see flags burned and hear protests of an execution in Texas of a scumbag who raped and murdered a 14 and 16 year old girl. The protestors will say it doesn't matter that the girls died at the hands of this c-ckroach, he has a right to live. They're going to argue for his rights and disregard the rights that were denied these kids.
Disgusting.

postholedigger - 8-5-2008 at 09:58 AM

Agreed! As a matter of fact, I don't think the word c-ckroach even begins to describe these guys. Look at it from the girls' parents' eyes and tell me he deserves to live. The only way he would deserve to live is by remaining solitary confinement without parole for the rest of his life (perhaps with Bubba as visitor). If I were Mexican, I would be too ashamed to be a citizen of a country that produced this scum, much less protest to save his life.

Cypress - 8-5-2008 at 10:09 AM

Have never been able to understand the mindset of people that embrace these killers and turn them into some sort of heroes. :no:

What are they thinking?

awfulart - 8-5-2008 at 10:30 AM

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Originally posted by udowinkler
I am just guessing.
I went to high school at Mark Keppel, in Alhambra. Their mascot was the Aztec. And we were known as MKP.
I think MKP's had spears, arrows, and sling shots.

Hmm, I went to Alhambra H.S. when they still spoke English in the neighborhood. I had friends from Ramona Grammar school who went to Mark Keppel. We had, certainly, a friendly competitive relationship in those days.

awfulart - 8-5-2008 at 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
The Death Penalty is an ABSOLUTE deterrent. The Criminal executed will be deterred from any further crime.

BUT, Who cares ? It is just PUNISHMENT for his act.

Yes!!

DENNIS - 8-5-2008 at 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Have never been able to understand the mindset of people that embrace these killers and turn them into some sort of heroes. :no:

What are they thinking?

They're thinking that, if the United States does something, it must be wrong. Some of our biggest fans.

CaboRon - 8-5-2008 at 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Cypress
Have never been able to understand the mindset of people that embrace these killers and turn them into some sort of heroes. :no:

What are they thinking?

They're thinking that, if the United States does something, it must be wrong. Some of our biggest fans.

Ah yes, the mantra of the mexican people ....

Blame someone else for all of their problems ....

What a crock .... :lol:

Take a little responsibility for your situation.

CaboRon

aha baja - 8-5-2008 at 03:42 PM

The next thing you know, the ACLU will want reparation for denying sr. m his civil rights! Just because there is no capital punishment in Mexico does not mean it doesn't exsist in the USA especially in TEXAS!!! Guess he should have picked a more liberal state to commit a crime punishable by death. Beware those who would attempt the same activities....Texas is a "hang em' high" state. (someone has to be......)

k-rico - 8-5-2008 at 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by CaboRon

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Cypress
Have never been able to understand the mindset of people that embrace these killers and turn them into some sort of heroes. :no:

What are they thinking?

They're thinking that, if the United States does something, it must be wrong. Some of our biggest fans.

Ah yes, the mantra of the mexican people ....

Blame someone else for all of their problems ....

What a crock .... :lol:

Take a little responsibility for your situation.

CaboRon

CaboRon,

Your many contemptuous remarks about Mexicans are starting to bother me. Normally I just ignore posters that bother me but I thought I'd bring to your attention that there are fine people of Mexican heritage that are members of Bajanomad and you are insulting them by being a first class.............

Please KNOCK IT OFF.

bancoduo - 8-5-2008 at 04:15 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico

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Originally posted by CaboRon

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Cypress
Have never been able to understand the mindset of people that embrace these killers and turn them into some sort of heroes. :no:

What are they thinking?

They're thinking that, if the United States does something, it must be wrong. Some of our biggest fans.

Ah yes, the mantra of the mexican people ....

Blame someone else for all of their problems ....

What a crock .... :lol:

Take a little responsibility for your situation.

CaboRon

lizard lips - 8-5-2008 at 04:29 PM

For those of you who do not know this Medellin was an illegal living in Houston. He and several others (gang members) were involved in the murders of these two girls, 14 and 16 years old. After raping them several times there bodies were beaten beyond recognition and had to be identified by dental charts 4 days later when they were found. This was fifteen years ago. There is no doubt of his guilt as well as the others and his appeals have been denied. The state of Texas has paid for legal fees and his prison time as well which is in the millions of dollars.

I do not care that he was illegal and in no way am comparing hard working illegals in the United States to this low life scum however he has propensity to break the law and has done so prior to the murders for theft and robbery in Texas.

The law in Texas is plain and simple. If you are found guilty of murder you can receive the death penalty. The country of Mexico must respect this law and deal with it.

In Mexico if you are convicted of murder the maximum is 40 years ( or if you have enough money you can get out in 1 ).

I am not catholic but I think those who are think they can commit any crime they want, go to confession and get on with their life knowing that the BIG CHEESE will open the gates when he or she gets there and completely forget about what they have done.

Did I stir it up a little?

Mr. M is shaking in his shoes right now and will fry for the hideous crime he committed and thank God for Texas law!

Burn in Hell bonehead.

sanluquëna - 8-5-2008 at 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
They're thinking that, if the United States does something, it must be wrong. Some of our biggest fans.

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Originally posted by DENNIS on 11-19-2006 at 11:26 PM
This is all a bunch of BS if one believes that Americans will react to the dilema. We dont. We have no solidarity or compassion for other's problems. We only go for the gusto which affects our own lives.
In other words, we are pathetic when unknown Americans are in trouble.
We only care for ourselves
That goes for our government as well.
Dont believe that?
Sit in a Mexican jail and see what the U.S. government will do for you."

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=20922#pid1853...

You're all over the map, Dennis. Maybe you should sit down and take an inventory of your 5,439 posts over the past 2 years. That works out to 8 posts per day, 24/7/365. Are you sure you are not just so lonely for your homies in America, that you post whatever pops into your head to keep up the human contact?

Or maybe you just want to tell me that your hypocrisy just adds to the color and character of BajaNomads. You know Dennis, a person who just landed here from Mars would assume you are just one of those trolls we keep hearing about. You know, trolls, those who will say anything, without any real moral conviction, just to get an emotional rise out of somebody else?

In any event, you really need to decide which side of the table you want to sit on.

BajaGringo - 8-5-2008 at 06:07 PM

sanluquëna:

Why don't you first figure out whether you are wearing pants or a skirt before decide that you are qualified to start on anybody else? You seem to have issues with your sexuality and gender around here based on what I have read so far...

:lol:

CaboRon - 8-5-2008 at 07:36 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
sanluquëna:

Why don't you first figure out whether you are wearing pants or a skirt before decide that you are qualified to start on anybody else? You seem to have issues with your sexuality and gender around here based on what I have read so far...

:lol:

CaboRon - 8-5-2008 at 07:39 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico

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Originally posted by CaboRon

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Cypress
Have never been able to understand the mindset of people that embrace these killers and turn them into some sort of heroes. :no:

What are they thinking?

They're thinking that, if the United States does something, it must be wrong. Some of our biggest fans.

Ah yes, the mantra of the mexican people ....

Blame someone else for all of their problems ....

What a crock .... :lol:

Take a little responsibility for your situation.

CaboRon

EVERYTHING I SAY IS THE RESULT OF FIRST HAND OBSERVATION / EXPERIENCE.

THE TRUTH WILL NOT BE SILENCED BY YOU.

KNOCK IT OFF YOURSELF.

CaboRon

Death Penalty for ''Special Circumstances.'' This is one.

Lee - 8-5-2008 at 08:28 PM

HUNTSVILLE -- The state of Texas defied an international court tonight and executed Jose Medellin for raping and murdering two teenage girls 15 years ago.

About a half-hour earlier, the U.S. Supreme Court had rejected a last-minute appeal to stay the execution, originally scheduled for 6 p.m.

Medellin was pronounced dead at 9:57 p.m., nine minutes after the lethal dose was administered.

As the court deliberated earlier, opposing groups of protesters gathered outside the death house. When the prison clock chimed six, a group of U.S. Border Watch members and others broke into cheers, thinking the execution had occurred.

Medellin is one of gang members condemned for the June 1993 gang rape and murder of Jennifer Ertman, 14, and Elizabeth Pena, 16, in T.C. Jester Park on Houston's northwest side.

The girls were raped and strangled with a belt and shoelace after they stumbled into a drunken gang initiation rite while cutting through the park to get home before their curfew.

Elaine Jackson of Houston, who identified herself as a friend of the Pena family, was among those supporting the execution.

"The girls didn't get a second chance, why should he?" she demanded. "Why should he keep on breathing?"

On the other side of the street, Nancy Bailey was among those opposing the execution. Putting Medellin to death, she said, would flout the nation's treaty commitments and would endanger Americans arrested abroad.

Medellin, who granted few interviews while on death row, told a Mexican news reporter that he had 15 years in prison to compose his emotions. On Monday and Tuesday, he visited with his parents, whom he had not seen since 2001.

Prison spokeswoman Michelle Lyons said the parents were barred from the prison after they were overheard plotting an escape for Medellin. Also Tuesday, Medellin spoke by telephone to his younger brother, Venacio, who is serving a 40-year sentence in connection with the crime.

Jose Medellin is in a holding cell near execution chamber.

Six gang members were convicted of the killings. Derrick O'Brien was executed in July 2006. Gang leader Peter Cantu remains on death row. Two others, who were 17 at the time of the crime, had their death sentences commuted to life in prison. The younger Medellin, who was a juvenile, was sentenced to a 40-year prison term.

Ertman and Pena were raped and strangled after they stumbled into a drunken gang initiation rite while cutting through the park in order to get home before a curfew.
For days after the murders, police and the girls' parents frantically searched for the missing teens. Four days after the crime, a tip from a gang member's brother led authorities to the bodies, then to the suspects.

Within three hours of his arrest, Medellin admitted his role in the gruesome murders, appalling authorities with his boastful, callous description of the night's events.
Medellin's case created international controversy when the United Nations' world court determined Texas had violated the killer's rights under the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations by denying him access to the Mexican consulate.

In 2004, the world court ordered a hearing be held to determine if the treaty violation damaged the killer's defense. In July, it ordered that a stay be granted.
President Bush and other federal officials urged Texas to grant the hearing, but Texas officials adamantly refused.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5924476.html

sanluquëna - 8-5-2008 at 08:34 PM

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Try thinking outside the box some time.

http://www.edithscabo.com/en/menu_sanluquena.php

CaboRon - 8-5-2008 at 08:41 PM

Saw the menu .... no prices .... very scary ...

I try to see the menu before we are seated .....

If it has no prices .... we turn around and leave...

CaboRon

[Edited on 8-6-2008 by CaboRon]

awfulart - 8-6-2008 at 05:34 AM

What happens to an American Citizens in Mexico if they are accused of a serious crime but are in the country illegally or even legally. Does the amount of money you are able to make available, under the table, have anything to do with the outcome? :?:

DENNIS - 8-6-2008 at 05:57 AM

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Originally posted by sanluquëna
http://www.edithscabo.com/en/menu_sanluquena.php

This advertisment refers to the cuisine of Baja California dating back to 1697. What a merchandising joke. The cuisine in Baja circa 1697 was rocks and twigs. Just because some lice infested Spaniards cooked one of their imported cows, we're going to call it cuisine?

DENNIS - 8-6-2008 at 05:59 AM

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Originally posted by awfulart
What happens to an American Citizens in Mexico if they are accused of a serious crime but are in the country illegally or even legally. Does the amount of money you are able to make available, under the table, have anything to do with the outcome? :?:

It has everything to do with it, Art. Justice is sold the world over.

CaboRon - 8-6-2008 at 06:11 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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It has everything to do with it, Art. Justice is sold the world over.

Yes sir, you pay them off in cash right on the street ...

Otherwise the politizi threaten to turn you over to immigration...

I saw this with my own eyes last Friday ....

CaboRon

In the US we have a more expensive and complicated system and it will cost you a lot more :lol:

Cypress - 8-6-2008 at 06:37 AM

Medellin was executed by lethal injection last night.

DENNIS - 8-6-2008 at 07:50 AM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Medellin was executed by lethal injection last night.

May he rest in hell.

BajaGringo - 8-6-2008 at 08:13 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Cypress
Medellin was executed by lethal injection last night.

May he rest in hell.

I didn't hear of any mass demonstrations in Mexico. Everyone I spoke to thinks he deserved it and said they wish Mexico would do the same thing with that type of scumbag.

bancoduo - 8-6-2008 at 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Cypress
Medellin was executed by lethal injection last night.

May he rest in hell.

He spoke well of you.

A-M-F

MrBillM - 8-6-2008 at 09:20 AM

He won't be missed.