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Too much trash talk on this forum

losfrailes - 8-11-2008 at 07:36 PM

No attempt to hijack this thread, but for one, I do feel that something should be said regarding this type of news

Don’t misunderstand me, I do not feel that I am alone in feeling that there has been entirely too much trash talk and posting on this forum that is outside the venue of Peace, Love and Fish Tacos!
Many previous, long time posters are no longer even looking at what is happening here due to the nature of what has become the norm for a select few posters. Enough of the news of kidnapping, murder, mayhem, etc. This news does not affect the majority of the readers here and therefore, without speaking for the majority, are tired to death of that type of news.
This does not put our heads in the sand, its just that its preferable to enjoy the good things about Baja. That includes the minor things of being overcharged occasionally, or having the Pemex in Santa Rosalia getting to us.
The reflection should be on the wonderful indigent people here who make our stay a memorable visit. I might stress VISIT, since that is what the majority of readers here are!

Too much trash talk on this forum

CaboRon - 8-11-2008 at 07:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by losfrailes
No attempt to hijack this thread, but for one, I do feel that something should be said regarding this type of news

Don’t misunderstand me, I do not feel that I am alone in feeling that there has been entirely too much trash talk and posting on this forum that is outside the venue of Peace, Love and Fish Tacos!
Many previous, long time posters are no longer even looking at what is happening here due to the nature of what has become the norm for a select few posters. Enough of the news of kidnapping, murder, mayhem, etc. This news does not affect the majority of the readers here and therefore, without speaking for the majority, are tired to death of that type of news.
This does not put our heads in the sand, its just that its preferable to enjoy the good things about Baja. That includes the minor things of being overcharged occasionally, or having the Pemex in Santa Rosalia getting to us.
The reflection should be on the wonderful indigent people here who make our stay a memorable visit. I might stress VISIT, since that is what the majority of readers here are!



Too much trash talk on this forum

losfrailes - 8-11-2008 at 07:52 PM

Oh, that must have touched you directly Caboron. Nice intelligent response!

I suspect that you are not a visitor here consequently all the above is, to quote a quote 'BS'. Sorry I do not have the computer technique to make such cute little notes, flagstaffs and all.

Now please explain what part of that post you feel is BS, the part about people sick and tired of the crappy posts or what?

Too much trash talk on this forum

The Gull - 8-11-2008 at 08:03 PM

Losfrailes,

You requested too much logic and clarity. Good luck getting either.

Too much trash talk on this forum

losfrailes - 8-11-2008 at 08:13 PM

Ah Gull.

I got a BS, isn't that a logical and clear response???

Too much trash talk on this forum

Diver - 8-11-2008 at 08:22 PM

Although I tend to agree with Los Frailles, I guess we can just elect not to read things we don't like.

And yes, Ron's post is ........ not funny.

Too much trash talk on this forum

movinguy - 8-11-2008 at 09:20 PM

Not taking sides here, but I guess I don't see much point in posting news that can be readily Googled by those interested in the subject.

The Mexican people have to live with this stuff and they don't dwell on it - no reason why we should here . . .

Too much trash talk on this forum

gnukid - 8-11-2008 at 09:47 PM

Odd. I find judgemental comments like los Frailes to be the offensive, negative and discriminatory comments. I think an argument can more easily be made that the ol timers are the most abusive and negative posters and the informed inciteful newbies with their open minded questions and comments are far more in the line of what BajaNomads is about.

Who in their right mind would want to control what people post which is factual and relevant and extremely valuable to people who need to know what is going on and how to navigate Baja.

Its quite outrageous that a handful of posters who flood this board attempt to control the rest of the simply interested passionate and inquisitive posters.

If you don't like it, don't read it. Not that difficult to figure out. Or I suppose you are same person who wants to control newspapers, movies and radio and TV to only show your chosen message.

Go ahead keep it up but know that many, many of us disagree with you and the suggestion the only your messages belong here and not the messages from people of diverse backgrounds and interest.

On the other hand I really do respect your desire to tune out, so please if you get the urge, just tune out and enjoy the things you do enjoy and focus on those and not on others concerns. But do not oppress us with your mindset.

[Edited on 8-12-2008 by gnukid]

Too much trash talk on this forum

Woooosh - 8-11-2008 at 09:51 PM

Hey- All I did was post a news article in the News section.

I wouldn't mind having a News section in the "off-topic" page if possible. Then you can keep the front page a superficial sugarcoating of what living in Baja is like for those with their heads planted firmly in the warm Mexico sand. Sadly- there's no Gringo Gazette on-line newspaper for current topics in northern baja (although there are some start-ups).

I never take message boards personal. Have said that- what's with the "get off the message board and just google your news" thing ? Googling and search engines only list what has already been published. You can't go forward in life looking out your rear view mirror. A Message Board is to find out what is going on now, in real time by a group of like-minded people (even if it's just finding the best fish tacos or where the fish are biting this week... lol). Knowing what is happening beyond the stories in print is the value of the internet, not the burden of it.

JMHO of course

[Edited on 8-12-2008 by Woooosh]

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Pacifico - 8-11-2008 at 09:56 PM

Thanks for the post Woooosh - interesting information that I would have never read otherwise. (I probably would not have "Googled" Mexico Launches Anti-Kidnap Squad) Weird - I read it because it sounded interesting and I actually had the choice to click on it or not to click on it! Apparently others were somehow "forced" to read it! :O

Too much trash talk on this forum

movinguy - 8-11-2008 at 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
Hey- All I did was post a news article in the News section.

I wouldn't mind having a News section in the "off-topic" page if possible. Then you can keep the front page a superficial sugarcoating of what living in Baja is like for those with their heads planted firmly in the warm Mexico sand.


No, actually my head and the rest of my body have been planted in Baja where my girlfriend's family employs bodyguards for her children.

Nothing against posting news - just think certain topics don't need to be revisited over and over . . .

Let me sprinkle some Pixy Dust to make all the booboos stop hurting

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-12-2008 at 05:58 AM


k-rico - 8-12-2008 at 06:58 AM

I agree with losfrailes. Everybody knows about the crap being caused by the narcos and the cops. The folks that take delight in reading and posting about this stuff are weird in my book. KNOCK IT OFF!

Sure I could ignore all the bad news creeps and I try to, but who wants to login to a message board and decide what to ignore? Plus it's sort of like a car wreck on the freeway, ugly to see, but it's very difficult not to look.

And, the childish animated gifs!! It's like you little boys just found a new toy.

shari - 8-12-2008 at 07:25 AM

IMHO, news is fine....I was glad to read the article on kidnapping action as it is a hot topic around here and everyone wants to see heavier sentances and life would be a good one for those perps.

What we DO not want to see here is a destruction of this community board by a few who hurl personal insults at posters. It is sad that alot of people are too intimidated to post for fear of attacks...this is NOT healthy, nor useful and serves to destroy the forum.

So if there is a way to balance things out...a way where people would be responsible for their words that would be great and probably eliminate the horrible personal attacks. I only recently hit the report button but I think if someone sees an uncalled for attack, well, perhaps the report button should be used more to get rid of this type of unproductive, hurtful posts.

I wish there was a baja news rag where our news reporters here could post and all be bummed out together...misery loves company.

Osprey - 8-12-2008 at 07:54 AM

News is hard to bundle. All the action is along the border so that's where the news reporting is. If there was a good English language newspaper up north that you all read it still would probably run little of what happens down here in Mayberry. La Paz is our Mt. Pilot and San Lucas I guess would be Charlotte. Hard for good/bad/ugly news from these little towns to be of interest to the whole board as we are sometimes The Land that Time Forgot. I like it that way but it don't make good news -- that's why I post little fiction pieces for your consideration now and then.

David K - 8-12-2008 at 08:06 AM

LosFrailes has concerns and others do too... From the perspective of being here the longest after Doug, I know the junk comes in waves (like at Malarrimo Beach)... We have a period of trash or hate then it is calm and clean.

If the 'nice Nomads' can pick and choose what to read and ignore the crappy stuff then they (hopefully) won't get discouraged and leave this forum.

If you do see inappropriate postings, then click on the 'Report' button so it will go right to Doug's attention.

There are tens of tousands of posts here saved, the ones in the Trip Reports forum and the Historic Interests & Literature forum are great for reading or reference... If stuff on 'Today's Posts' or the General Baja forum isn't fun to read, then go back over the 6 years of contributions archived here until the 'butt heads' go away or are removed.

Don't give up on Doug or this forum... stay and keep it positive with YOUR trip reports, contributions and photos... the few dozen of us who post here daily or frequently are a tiny amount of the people who see and read what is here!!!

Viva Baja Nomad!!!:bounce::bounce::bounce:

CaboRon - 8-12-2008 at 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by Pacifico
Thanks for the post Woooosh - interesting information that I would have never read otherwise. (I probably would not have "Googled" Mexico Launches Anti-Kidnap Squad) Weird - I read it because it sounded interesting and I actually had the choice to click on it or not to click on it! Apparently others were somehow "forced" to read it! :O


I too, appreciate getting the latest news ....

Thought that's what Baja News was for ... the news.

About our only source down here is The Gringo Gazette and The Baja Western Onion.



CaboRon

oldlady - 8-12-2008 at 08:17 AM

Say What? With television, radio, and Internet, one has unlimited capability to obtain information and news...about Baja California or anywhere else.

Cypress - 8-12-2008 at 08:38 AM

oldlady,:spingrin: Right!! News 24/7. :biggrin: No shortage of news.

longlegsinlapaz - 8-12-2008 at 08:40 AM

It appears to me that there are two separate issues being addressed here...first is the upswing in posts of legitimate & factual (sic) Baja News. As long as these threads are consistently started in Baja News, we can chose to read them...or not...at our own discretion.

The other is "trash talk",
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I am tired of the crappy posts. I've noticed the fadeout of a number of positive posters. I've strongly considered pulling the cord myself.

Doug, with all due respect, things are out of control here. Part of it is the hit-and-run coward(s) hiding behind a different alias every couple of days. Part of it is the lack of basic decency on the part of (often long-time) posters who think they don't have to be civil because they aren't taking the risk of insulting people directly to their face.

Due to the irresponsible, self-indulgent and inconsiderate behavior of a few individuals, this board is turning into a pigsty.
the name-calling, abusive & threatening comments, the bullies, the "cutesy" (NOT) intentional misspelling of obscenities to get around the clearly stated Board Rules disallowing lewd, cussing, swearing, obscenities, etc., the posts of semi-nude to nude pics, the graphic sexual videos, the personal attacks, graphic & lewd comments, the irritating action gif's, the immature nonsensical one-liner or gif hit 'n run responses...these are the types of posts that I personally find distasteful.

These types of posts disgust me. They are an embarrassment to me personally & IMHO demeaning to the site & members. If what we've been seeing/experiencing since Hose A resigned is any indication of the amount of time & effort he donated to this site, then he did even more than I realized to keep the board a clean & pleasant place!!

I too have noticed the absence of quite a few of my long-time favorite posters. I think it's a real shame that a few offensive & abusive posters have deprived the board as a whole of a wealth of knowledge & experience.

I know that there are a lot of folks here who are opposed to censorship, but it appears that even some the most vocal anti-censorship types might be starting to believe that there can be a benefit to weed out the worst of the hate-mongering malcontents.

I respect anyone's right to state their own opinion, I'd just like to see it done courteously & respectfully, in accordance with the Board Rules. Why have the rules is they aren't enforced?

It seems to me there's too much grey area in true identity disclosure, and I'm definitely not a techie nerd, but it seems like the logistics of setting up & administering that type of system would be a major programing nightmare!:O I wouldn't be opposed to it if it could be accomplished with what Doug would have to feel would be a "reasonable" amount of effort & maintainability...and I'd also need Doug's assurance that the information be proprietary for Doug's use only.

IMHO, the lack of respect & maturity of a few members is destroying an awesome site! I'd like to see one or more full time monitors/moderators who enforce the Board Rules. I believe in hindsight, we're probably seeing just how much benefit Hose A provided to the site & I feel finding a replacement Hose A(s) is past due.

Udo - 8-12-2008 at 08:47 AM

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Originally posted by David K
LosFrailes has concerns and others do too... From the perspective of being here the longest after Doug, I know the junk comes in waves (like at Malarrimo Beach)... We have a period of trash or hate then it is calm and clean.

If the 'nice Nomads' can pick and choose what to read and ignore the crappy stuff then they (hopefully) won't get discouraged and leave this forum.
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I still consider myself a relative newbie on this board, but a 40+ year traveler of Baja. I think I came in during one of those 'downer' cycles, because I have seen mostly negative comments as well as personal attacks. There were other boards I read and contributed to, and I left because of politics. I can put up with b-tchieness during a down cycle, but let's not keep it going! At least I do appreciate the news reports in Spanish or English if they pertain to Mexico. But let's not kill the messenger.
David K...right-on!


If you do see inappropriate postings, then click on the 'Report' button so it will go right to Doug's attention.

There are tens of tousands of posts here saved, the ones in the Trip Reports forum and the Historic Interests & Literature forum are great for reading or reference... If stuff on 'Today's Posts' or the General Baja forum isn't fun to read, then go back over the 6 years of contributions archived here until the 'butt heads' go away or are removed.

Don't give up on Doug or this forum... stay and keep it positive with YOUR trip reports, contributions and photos... the few dozen of us who post here daily or frequently are a tiny amount of the people who see and read what is here!!!

Viva Baja Nomad!!!:bounce::bounce::bounce:

Chamaco - 8-12-2008 at 08:47 AM

You simply don't have to click on the thread. Don't make decisions for me. Thanks, Chamaco

Bruce R Leech - 8-12-2008 at 08:59 AM

losfrailes if you don't like the post or the poster then don't open and read it. some of us like to know what is going on In our Land, if you will notice that these Baja News posts get opened more than the ones like my hubby in the thong is building a new dog house.:light:

I think your post is just another troll anyway I should not have bit:o

David K - 8-12-2008 at 09:05 AM

Perhaps the seasoned/ established Nomads need to pay attention to who is being negative or nasty... You will notice anyone with less than 100 posts who has negative things to say, may have motives other than to inform.:?::light:

Don't let Newbies or Junior Nomads spoil the forum for you... Until someone has contributed PERSONAL Baja stories, I personally don't think they should be taken too seriously. Anyone can come here and say almost anything... :o:yes:

As a point of reference, what qualifies someone from posting something negative... specially if they have NEVER posted anything positive here? :wow:

The exception would be someone who personally experienced the bad news and shares it with us, first hand... and continues to contribute to Nomad good along with bad news.:bounce:

longlegsinlapaz - 8-12-2008 at 09:13 AM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
losfrailes if you don't like the post or the poster then don't open and read it. some of us like to know what is going on In our Land, if you will notice that these Baja News posts get opened more than the ones like my hubby in the thong is building a new dog house.:light:

I think your post is just another troll anyway I should not have bit:o
It's not quite that easy, some posts have titles that interest me, but you don't know there's offensive content until you get in there & read it!!!!:no::no:


Anyone besides me suspicious about who kidnapped Bruce & is posting in his place when there's a typo-free post made?:rolleyes::lol::lol::lol::lol:

fishbuck - 8-12-2008 at 09:18 AM

As some may have noticed I just returned from a... "vacation" from the board.
I had some time to be thoughtful on this issue and others.
Most of us come to the board because we are interested in and love Baja. We like to hear stories and share interests with other like minded people.
But most of us are adults on here and it is important to know what is happening in Baja if you plan to travel there. Both the good and yes even the bad.
I wish there were no crime or bad news in Baja. But that just is not reality. Being informed is being safe and allows us to take the necessary precautions to come home and make a happy trip report.
That's what we are all after isn't it? I know I am.
So it's okay to post news stories but try to keep them balanced. Please don't continue to paint Baja with a negative brush. If you can, try to be informative but not bitter from some bad experience you have had there. I'm sure we have all had atleast one bad day there.
Baja is still a very good place. With some very good and beautiful people. But even good places have some bad things. That is life. It's always been that way and always will.
But by using this board to network together we can probably still enjoy Baja and avoid any problems.
So lets try to be nice to each other and each do our part to help keep Baja a beautiful place.

Viva Baja!!!

[Edited on 8-12-2008 by fishbuck]

Barry A. - 8-12-2008 at 09:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by fishbuck
As some may have noticed I just returned from a... "vacation" from the board.
I had some time to be thoughtful on this issue and others.
Most of us come to the board because we are interested in and love Baja. We like to hear stories and share interests with other like minded people.
But most of us are adults on here and it is important to know what is happening in Baja if you plan to travel there. Both the good and yes even the bad.
I wish there were no crime or bad news in Baja. But that just is not reality. Being informed is being safe and allows us to take the necessary precautions to come home and make a happy trip report.
That's what we are all after isn't it? I know I am.
So it's okay to post news stories but try to keep them balanced. Please don't continue to paint Baja with a negative brush. If you can, try to be informative but not bitter from some bad experience you have had there. I'm sure we have all had atleast one bad day there.
Baja is still a very good place. With some very good and beautiful people. But even good places have some bad things. That is life. It's always been that way and always will.
But by using this board to network together we can probably still enjoy Baja and avoid any problems.
So lets try to be nice to each other and each do our part to help keep Baja a beautiful place.

Viva Baja!!!

[Edited on 8-12-2008 by fishbuck]


AMEN!!!!!

Barry

CaboRon - 8-12-2008 at 09:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by fishbuck
As some may have noticed I just returned from a... "vacation" from the board.
I had some time to be thoughtful on this issue and others.
Most of us come to the board because we are interested in and love Baja. We like to hear stories and share interests with other like minded people.
But most of us are adults on here and it is important to know what is happening in Baja if you plan to travel there. Both the good and yes even the bad.
I wish there were no crime or bad news in Baja. But that just is not reality. Being informed is being safe and allows us to take the necessary precautions to come home and make a happy trip report.
That's what we are all after isn't it? I know I am.
So it's okay to post news stories but try to keep them balanced. Please don't continue to paint Baja with a negative brush. If you can, try to be informative but not bitter from some bad experience you have had there. I'm sure we have all had atleast one bad day there.
Baja is still a very good place. With some very good and beautiful people. But even good places have some bad things. That is life. It's always been that way and always will.
But by using this board to network together we can probably still enjoy Baja and avoid any problems.
So lets try to be nice to each other and each do our part to help keep Baja a beautiful place.

Viva Baja!!!

[Edited on 8-12-2008 by fishbuck]


AMEN!!!!!

Barry



Bruce R Leech - 8-12-2008 at 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
Quote:
Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
losfrailes if you don't like the post or the poster then don't open and read it. some of us like to know what is going on In our Land, if you will notice that these Baja News posts get opened more than the ones like my hubby in the thong is building a new dog house.:light:

I think your post is just another troll anyway I should not have bit:o
It's not quite that easy, some posts have titles that interest me, but you don't know there's offensive content until you get in there & read it!!!!:no::no:


Anyone besides me suspicious about who kidnapped Bruce & is posting in his place when there's a typo-free post made?:rolleyes::lol::lol::lol::lol:


the point is here that there are lots of deferent folks that use and enjoy this forum so some times we need to not be critical of a post that is something the we personally are not interested in because maybe someone else is. sometimes you might even see a misspelled word but it isn't the end of the world and maybe it will even make you feel a little better that you can spell better than some.

Animated Attack!

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-12-2008 at 09:35 AM



Here is a little pixy dustto fix the booboos!

Bruce R Leech - 8-12-2008 at 09:36 AM

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Originally posted by ELINVESTI8


Here is a little pixy dustto fix the booboos!


now this is a intelligent reply:light::lol:

oxxo - 8-12-2008 at 10:11 AM

This thread is very entertaining!


longlegsinlapaz - 8-12-2008 at 10:26 AM

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Anyone besides me suspicious about who kidnapped Bruce & is posting in his place when there's a typo-free post made?:rolleyes::lol::lol::lol::lol:


Quote:
the point is here that there are lots of deferent folks that use and enjoy this forum so some times we need to not be critical of a post that is something the we personally are not interested in because maybe someone else is. sometimes you might even see a misspelled word but it isn't the end of the world and maybe it will even make you feel a little better that you can spell better than some.
Only my attempt at tongue-in-cheek humor, so indicated by the string of rolling eyes & laughing emoticons. Not meant as a personal attack as you took it. My apologies!

LancairDriver - 8-12-2008 at 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by gnukid
Odd. I find judgemental comments like los Frailes to be the offensive, negative and discriminatory comments. I think an argument can more easily be made that the ol timers are the most abusive and negative posters and the informed inciteful newbies with their open minded questions and comments are far more in the line of what BajaNomads is about.

Who in their right mind would want to control what people post which is factual and relevant and extremely valuable to people who need to know what is going on and how to navigate Baja.

Its quite outrageous that a handful of posters who flood this board attempt to control the rest of the simply interested passionate and inquisitive posters.

If you don't like it, don't read it. Not that difficult to figure out. Or I suppose you are same person who wants to control newspapers, movies and radio and TV to only show your chosen message.

Go ahead keep it up but know that many, many of us disagree with you and the suggestion the only your messages belong here and not the messages from people of diverse backgrounds and interest.

On the other hand I really do respect your desire to tune out, so please if you get the urge, just tune out and enjoy the things you do enjoy and focus on those and not on others concerns. But do not oppress us with your mindset.

[Edited on 8-12-2008 by gnukid]



Well stated gnukid. I totally agree.

gnukid - 8-12-2008 at 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by morgaine7


Quote:
Originally posted by Gnukid
"Its quite outrageous that a handful of posters who flood this board attempt to control the rest of the simply interested passionate and inquisitive posters."

Apologies for using your quote out of context, Gnukid, but that 's exactly how I'd characterize the posters mentioned above.


Interesting...does seem like posts are taken out of context in contrast to the direct insults and attacks of a few 'ol timers.

There is a clear dichotomy between these two factions, however the informed newbies rarely make ad hominem personal attacks while the tradtionalists do? Are curmudgeons entitled to snipes at the newbies? How is that you can stand by the insults and attacks by the same group that objects to open discourse? It's outrageous.

The support you give to slander from seniors is hypocritical as an argument against factual discourse. Quite odd that you can justify such hyperbole.

To me its quite obvious people are discouraged by the divisive posts often by the "high number posters" and "ol time members".

Now that we are clear in our divisive points of view, can we coexist?

Not sure if this has been suggested but certainly if ids are requested so might proof of age and require the over 65 to separate from the under 65, and add subdivisions for north and south. Argh.

Its time to call a spade a spade. You 'ol timers need to learn to respect your juniors.

[Edited on 8-12-2008 by gnukid]

DianaT - 8-12-2008 at 10:50 AM

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1) Attack the message, not the messenger. NO personal attacks. Period.

2) Never post anything that you wouldn't be willing to say face

--Larry


All of the "bad news" and bad mouthing of everything Mexico and Mexican has almost become entertaining, IMHO because it is interesting to see who keeps emerging over and over---same writing style.

I got sucked in by a couple until I quit feeding the trolls---not always easy to ignore, but can be done. How can someone really determine what is OK bad news and what is not OK bad news.

Curious Larry, do you believe that disagreeing with someone is a personal attack?

There are some old time posters who like to post their "opinions" as fact and or as speaking for everyone on this board. And they think they are being attacked everytime someone disagrees with them be it over a person, a restuarant, or just about anything. They also tend to post with "WE" like everyone is in agreement.

Then there are those little political jabs dropped into threads---guess they can be ignored, but not easy.

Just thinking out loud, but I doubt there can ever be a forum that is truely all Peace, Love and Fish Tacos. Too many people love and use Baja in different ways---the ways some use Baja annoys others.

Also, some of us have been criticized by others for things like threads about our dogs, but some of us love those threads. Again, don't have to read them.

So, how do you define a personal attack? Some, of course are easy like calling someone an idiot or worse, but is saying hey, that restaurant you like we really dislike for the following reasons a personal attack? Or is asking someone not to speak for everyone a personal attack?

Just wondering.

Diane

Diane

oldlady - 8-12-2008 at 10:50 AM

I'm glad to respect anybody, junior or senior, soon as they earn it.

vandenberg - 8-12-2008 at 10:51 AM

Seems to me the trolls have reached their objective.:no:

Somone hit the Nuke Button!

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-12-2008 at 10:53 AM


vandenberg - 8-12-2008 at 11:14 AM

And maybe we're in need of a section for animated stuff, so some posters can post their hearts out without the rest of us having to suffer through it.:saint:
Just a thought, don't take it personal.:biggrin:

Osprey - 8-12-2008 at 11:18 AM

Gnukid, things seem to be going a lot smoother here since you took charge. A born leader. I'm gonna u2u my old timey friends on here (those still able to see, type, cogitate) and beg them to go along, have some appropriate humility.

movinguy - 8-12-2008 at 11:20 AM

Can't we all just get along?

- Rodney King

:rolleyes:

Bruce R Leech - 8-12-2008 at 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
Quote:
Anyone besides me suspicious about who kidnapped Bruce & is posting in his place when there's a typo-free post made?:rolleyes::lol::lol::lol::lol:


Quote:
the point is here that there are lots of deferent folks that use and enjoy this forum so some times we need to not be critical of a post that is something the we personally are not interested in because maybe someone else is. sometimes you might even see a misspelled word but it isn't the end of the world and maybe it will even make you feel a little better that you can spell better than some.
Only my attempt at tongue-in-cheek humor, so indicated by the string of rolling eyes & laughing emoticons. Not meant as a personal attack as you took it. My apologies!


I took it the way you intended, I also am a tongue-in-cheek sort of person. to many people on here take things to seriously.;D

HAVE A NICE DAY!

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-12-2008 at 11:28 AM

All my crappy gifs are tongue in cheek and not meant to harm anyone! I guess I am a little...

Bruce R Leech - 8-12-2008 at 11:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by movinguy
Can't we all just get along?

- Rodney King

:rolleyes:


we do

we just need to learn to respect other folks interests and opinions:lol:

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-12-2008 at 11:54 AM


Cypress - 8-12-2008 at 12:21 PM

Regarding the idea that old folks are smarter than young folks; some people are just as stupid at 65 as they were at 16.:biggrin: And tossing insults back 'n forth doesn't add anything to a debate.:no: Opinions? Politics? :?: Interesting, but nothing to get in an uproar about. :lol: Have'nt read or seen any X-rated stuff on this forum.:?: The forum monitor/censor is doing a good job, expect there's more BS/X-rated stuff thrown out than we can imagine.

The Sculpin - 8-12-2008 at 01:31 PM

Gnukid speaks of curmudgeons..I dare say he knows not of what he speaks! I take direct offense and am obstinately outraged! Curmudgeons can do and say ANYTHING to newbies since newbies are not worthy - that is if a curmudgeon actually wished to spend their valuable time in the hopeless endeavor of schooling a newbie. Curmudgeons are not averse to an open and honest dialogue - we just don't want to listen to your drivel! However, sometimes its so bad that we have to stop the whatever vitally important thing we are doing to set the record straight. Frankly sir, you can pee in your own fire. :fire::rolleyes:;)

gnukid - 8-12-2008 at 01:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by The Sculpin
Gnukid speaks of curmudgeons..I dare say he knows not of what he speaks! I take direct offense and am obstinately outraged! Curmudgeons can do and say ANYTHING to newbies since newbies are not worthy - that is if a curmudgeon actually wished to spend their valuable time in the hopeless endeavor of schooling a newbie. Curmudgeons are not averse to an open and honest dialogue - we just don't want to listen to your drivel! However, sometimes its so bad that we have to stop the whatever vitally important thing we are doing to set the record straight. Frankly sir, you can pee in your own fire. :fire::rolleyes:;)


Sir, I spoke to soon sir, without having given thought to your highness' intelligence, which is beyond my junior comprehension, sir. Thank you sir for allowing us the opportunity to bask in your presence and otherwise learn what we do not not understand and perhaps never shall. We juniors are not worthy except of course he ever-enlightened Sirenita kind sir.

Bowing down,

tripledigitken - 8-12-2008 at 02:08 PM

Quote:
We juniors are not worthy except of course he ever-enlightened Sirenita kind sir.

Bowing down,


(These threads are getting harder to keep track of.)

What does Sirenita have to do with this?

Ken

Cypress - 8-12-2008 at 02:18 PM

gnukid, Hang in there.:yes: Do you really want to find fault with Sirenita?:?: Why?:?:

longlegsinlapaz - 8-12-2008 at 02:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lencho
Thank you for one of the more coherent messages on this thread.
Thanks for thinking so! ;)
Quote:
Originally posted by lencho
Where are those specifications? All I've found is a bunch of legalese under "board rules", which to me does not explain what it is to behave socially online... perhaps there are folks who really do not know. (?)

Forgive me, I went from memory in my original post! 4. (In part) "You agree not to post or transmit any unlawful, harmful, threatening, spate abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, profane, hateful, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable material of any kind, including, but not limited to, any material which encourages conduct that would constitute a criminal offense, violate the rights of others, or otherwise violate any applicable local, state, national or international law." Then, too, there is "Please use common sense" which is a much less defined request.:lol:
Quote:
Originally posted by lencho
And count me among those types! But I would be willing to curtail my mouth (fingers) if this place had some clear and simple rules and a zero acceptance policy for violators. To me, there are just a couple:

1) Attack the message, not the messenger. NO personal attacks. Period.

2) Never post anything that you wouldn't be willing to say face to face to the affected parties, in a physical meeting of the group.

Lencho, you were #1 at the top of my mental list when I make the anti-censorship statement!:lol: I can't think of a single instance of a post you've made that I felt was offensive or even borderlined stepping over the above Board Rules!! I agree that your rules would be less subject to mis-intrepretation.
Quote:
Originally posted by lencho
I agree. It's really hard to know, but I think Doug has been exceedingly, perhaps overly, tolerant of aggressive behavior here. The acceptance of pretty much "anything goes" in the off-topic sewer grants tacit approval of behavior patterns that in my opinion, should not be tolerated anywhere on the board and it is a bit hard to maintain coherent civility across the site with that there.

Personally, I don't care about off topic, I don't go there. I looked to see what all the references were about & immediately decided that's not an area I want to go or post! That one time was enough to tell me it's not a positive asset to the board...IMHO. I'm in total agreement with you that Doug's much more forgiving of repeat offenders that I would be. I'm more in favor of a 2-strikes, 1-warning & permanent banishment on the second offense! Possibly 3-strikes, yer out! Historically, banishments of 7-30 days haven't been all that successful...IMHO.

Quote:
IOriginally posted by lencho
That's a difficult and often thankless job which need could be reduced a lot if folks were convinced they have to be civil here or they can't play any more. The way we're set up, it takes a major rampage to get time out...

I totally agree, but Hose A did it for around 2 years. It does take a fair person with a lot of time on their hands! After seeing the direction the tone of the board has been going, do you sincerely feel self-policing is be successful? I agree that there needs to be stronger & permanent enforcement...although it's clear that being banned isn't necessarily all that effective from the recent spate of obvious multiple identities set up by the user-name of the hour individual(s).

Hopefully, Doug might sift through this thread & take away some viable potential solutions.

gnukid - 8-12-2008 at 02:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by tripledigitken
Quote:
We juniors are not worthy except of course he ever-enlightened Sirenita kind sir.

Bowing down,


(These threads are getting harder to keep track of.)

What does Sirenita have to do with this?

Ken


Jeez louise, obviously Sirenita is the only "junior" who is worthy of the seniors respect here. Lighten up Louie!

tripledigitken - 8-12-2008 at 02:28 PM

gnukid,


Maybe the occasionaly use of smilies might help. I guess you were being sarcastic, could be a low blow also. I still don't get it. (I wasn't the only one!)

Louie :spingrin:

oxxo - 8-12-2008 at 02:31 PM

Hmmmmm, it seems like both sides are making their point......all too well. :lol:

Time to put on some more popcorn.

Lots of noise and chaff.....

Sharksbaja - 8-12-2008 at 02:37 PM

emanating from this site. Mostly boring drivel associated with media hyperbole. :rolleyes:

The personal attacks seem to be mostly fueled by a few who resent being "newbies".

Some people need more attention than they get in their everyday lives. It appears this is their vehicle for social interaction regardless of how they they post and how they are received.


I think most of these not-so-happy-about-Baja-these-days types have a very high attrition rate. Hang in there sirs!

Here is my new thinking cap:

BLABLAHA.jpg - 3kB

TENGOMIEDO - 8-12-2008 at 02:45 PM

Oh my goodness this is a scary place.

Cypress - 8-12-2008 at 02:46 PM

Sharksbaja, :D:lol:

tripledigitken - 8-12-2008 at 02:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by TENGOMIEDO
Oh my goodness this is a scary place.



Here we go again.

. Spanish Handle

. Only posts in controversial threads

. Sarcastic post

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::lol::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-12-2008 at 02:54 PM

Please do not drip withif you are going to post in here. Thank You!

Udo - 8-12-2008 at 03:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
Quote:
Originally posted by lencho
Thank you for one of the more coherent messages on this thread.
Thanks for thinking so! ;)
Quote:
Originally posted by lencho
Where are those specifications? All I've found is a bunch of legalese under "board rules", which to me does not explain what it is to behave socially online... perhaps there are folks who really do not know. (?)

Forgive me, I went from memory in my original post! 4. (In part) "You agree not to post or transmit any unlawful, harmful, threatening, spate abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, profane, hateful, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable material of any kind, including, but not limited to, any material which encourages conduct that would constitute a criminal offense, violate the rights of others, or otherwise violate any applicable local, state, national or international law." Then, too, there is "Please use common sense" which is a much less defined request.:lol:
Quote:
Originally posted by lencho
And count me among those types! But I would be willing to curtail my mouth (fingers) if this place had some clear and simple rules and a zero acceptance policy for violators. To me, there are just a couple:

1) Attack the message, not the messenger. NO personal attacks. Period.

2) Never post anything that you wouldn't be willing to say face to face to the affected parties, in a physical meeting of the group.

Quote:
I am in total agreement with the above statement.
It seems that the anonimity factor of the poster emboldens that person.

Lencho, you were #1 at the top of my mental list when I make the anti-censorship statement!:lol: I can't think of a single instance of a post you've made that I felt was offensive or even borderlined stepping over the above Board Rules!! I agree that your rules would be less subject to mis-intrepretation.
Quote:
Originally posted by lencho
I agree. It's really hard to know, but I think Doug has been exceedingly, perhaps overly, tolerant of aggressive behavior here. The acceptance of pretty much "anything goes" in the off-topic sewer grants tacit approval of behavior patterns that in my opinion, should not be tolerated anywhere on the board and it is a bit hard to maintain coherent civility across the site with that there.

Personally, I don't care about off topic, I don't go there. I looked to see what all the references were about & immediately decided that's not an area I want to go or post! That one time was enough to tell me it's not a positive asset to the board...IMHO. I'm in total agreement with you that Doug's much more forgiving of repeat offenders that I would be. I'm more in favor of a 2-strikes, 1-warning & permanent banishment on the second offense! Possibly 3-strikes, yer out! Historically, banishments of 7-30 days haven't been all that successful...IMHO.

Quote:
IOriginally posted by lencho
That's a difficult and often thankless job which need could be reduced a lot if folks were convinced they have to be civil here or they can't play any more. The way we're set up, it takes a major rampage to get time out...

I totally agree, but Hose A did it for around 2 years. It does take a fair person with a lot of time on their hands! After seeing the direction the tone of the board has been going, do you sincerely feel self-policing is be successful? I agree that there needs to be stronger & permanent enforcement...although it's clear that being banned isn't necessarily all that effective from the recent spate of obvious multiple identities set up by the user-name of the hour individual(s).

Hopefully, Doug might sift through this thread & take away some viable potential solutions.

Bruce R Leech - 8-12-2008 at 03:58 PM

udowinkler what is your deal?:lol:

fishbuck - 8-12-2008 at 04:01 PM

Este caballo está muerto. Por favor, no golpear más!

This horse is dead. Please don't beat it anymore!

And try to be nice to each other. And try to be tolerant of each other.:saint:

amir - 8-12-2008 at 04:15 PM

I was gone for a while.
Came today to see what's happening.
A lot of new people around.
HELLO! everybody!
I'm going away now for a while longer.
Goodbye everyone! Have fun!

--Amir

TonyC - 8-12-2008 at 04:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Diver
Although I tend to agree with Los Frailles, I guess we can just elect not to read things we don't like.

And yes, Ron's post is ........ not funny.


Your right Diver, but I find myself reading less BN posts. I agree with Los Frailles. More posting on why so many love Baja.

flyfishinPam - 8-12-2008 at 06:23 PM

just in case anyone cares, my opinion is that there should be no further censorship of posts beyond the board rules. if one doesn't like a particular post, poster or topic one doesn't have to read it/them and if something offends well grow a thicker skin or use the report button. i read when i can but haven't been posting much because we've been slammed busy. using my real identity would steer me away from posting and reading the fourm for my own personal reasons that i don't care to discuss. just my 2 cents.

loki - 8-12-2008 at 07:03 PM

This is about as stupid as complaining about TV content.
DO NOT READ THESE THREADS IF YOU ARE OFFENDED BY POSTS THAT YOU FIND NEGATIVE.
Lets also refrain from calling every new poster a troll. Most of the long term members here are respectful but there are the regular old crew who seem to think they run this board and tell everyone just that.
I can not stand some of the posts on this board but I have figured out that if I ignore these threads, I am not offended. Imagine that.
Read the board rules and post anything you want based on these same rules. If you want censureship, join a board that only allows what you consider to be important and leave us here to continue posting as we want.
Now lets have a group hug and post some dog pics.

I love riding the train to nowhere!

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-12-2008 at 07:24 PM


Me and Allee -- San Pedrito

Lee - 8-12-2008 at 07:27 PM


The Gull - 8-12-2008 at 07:31 PM

Time to put the shackles on this string. Lock it up, Doug.