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Mexico headed toward Communism

Bajajack - 8-24-2008 at 08:03 AM

PRI passes new platform

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The Institutional Revolutionary Party, or PRI, passed a new party platform at its National Assembly on Saturday, which among other reforms will sanction members who "betray" the party.

The reforms to its bylaws also prohibit economic, political and media support from foreigners, religious organizations, cult leaders and the Catholic Church.

The party stated in its reforms that the security crisis will not be resolved by quick fixes but will need long-term planning, and established that members can be suspended when there is evidence of party betrayal.

The new platform is meant to establish a fresh image for the party ahead of the 2009 midterm elections, and place the PRI among other social democratic parties, according to its leaders.:no:

palmeto99 - 8-24-2008 at 08:05 AM

Lets hope they do not get elected. Yikes.:cool:

Commies

MrBillM - 8-24-2008 at 09:36 AM

Mexico has been headed towards Communism since the Revolution. Luckily, so far, that journey has been sporadic and chaotic.

Should that change, U.S. troop levels in the Middle-East should be down far enough for deployment closer to home.

lizard lips - 8-24-2008 at 10:06 AM

Never happen in my lifetime--

rpleger - 8-24-2008 at 10:07 AM

So what, it's not our country...they can do what ever they want...

Pescador - 8-24-2008 at 10:07 AM

Geez, what are we gonna do if Mexico gets the Atom Bomb and other Weapons of Mass Destruction?

palmeto99 - 8-24-2008 at 10:12 AM

I will know that they are close to getting the bomb when they stop dumping their garbage everywhere.:cool:

Barry A. - 8-24-2008 at 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by Pescador
Geez, what are we gonna do if Mexico gets the Atom Bomb and other Weapons of Mass Destruction?


We already know the answer to that question. I want the beer consession after the invasion, and I will make Cindy the CEO.

Barry

bajajazz - 8-24-2008 at 11:29 AM

I have never, ever given a tinker's damn what kind of economic system another country chooses to adopt. Just like whether or not a woman chooses to have an abortion, it is one of those things that is not any of my business.

Most of this anti-communist hysteria derives from a malicious brainstorm cooked up by four closet queers from New York, Wisconsin and Washington DC, namely: J. Edgar Hoover (who supplied raw, unverified "information"), Joe McCarthy (who used the "information" to impugn the patriotism of anyone Hoover wanted to smear), Cardinal Spellman (who supplied the money to McCarthy for his "investigations") and Roy Cohn, a shyster lawyer who used the law to persecute innocent people and who died of AIDS, but not too soon. Together, those four ba ds scared the pants off of America and as a country we've been running scared ever since.

America's flirtation with communism died when the madman Stalin entered into a nonaggression pact with the madman Hitler.

I apologize to all uncloseted homosexuals for using the term "queer" in a derogatory way. But it is my firm belief that closeted, self-hating queers in positions of power -- who use their power maliciously in a forlorn effort to cover up their own delinquencies -- are fair game to be derided in any language and in any forum.

Now, flame away.

BajaBruno - 8-24-2008 at 05:18 PM

I have no complaint with Baja JAZZ’s interpretation.

There's nothing inherently wrong with communism. It hasn’t been particularly successful, unfortunately, because it doesn’t provide for the innate greediness of humans, but our fearless leader must think it’s OK, because we send billions of dollars a month to (communist) China, and millions to (communist) Viet Nam and (communist) North Korea. That we ignore Cuba in the face of all this is a little more than I can explain.

As for the PRI’s party platform, much of that is legislated. Mexico has true separation of church and state—not the “play” separation that we enforce in the US. Church officials cannot run for office, endorse candidates, or donate money to election campaigns, and politicians cannot use their religious affiliation for political ends, or even pose in front of a religious symbol during a campaign.

As for party betrayal being grounds for ostracization, that just sounds like they are adopting a rule from the Bush/Cheney playbook, a la Press Secty Scott McClellan, anti-terrorism adviser Richard Clarke, Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, Army Chief of Staff Gen. Eric K. Shinseki, Ambassador Joseph Wilson, et al, who were vilified and marginalized for telling an unflattering version of the truth about the Neo-Cons and Bush/Cheney.

David K - 8-24-2008 at 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by BajaBruno
I have no complaint with Baja JAZZ’s interpretation.

There's nothing inherently wrong with communism. It hasn’t been particularly successful, unfortunately, because it doesn’t provide for the innate greediness of humans, but our fearless leader must think it’s OK, because we send billions of dollars a month to (communist) China, and millions to (communist) Viet Nam and (communist) North Korea. That we ignore Cuba in the face of all this is a little more than I can explain.

As for the PRI’s party platform, much of that is legislated. Mexico has true separation of church and state—not the “play” separation that we enforce in the US. Church officials cannot run for office, endorse candidates, or donate money to election campaigns, and politicians cannot use their religious affiliation for political ends, or even pose in front of a religious symbol during a campaign.

As for party betrayal being grounds for ostracization, that just sounds like they are adopting a rule from the Bush/Cheney playbook, a la Press Secty Scott McClellan, anti-terrorism adviser Richard Clarke, Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, Army Chief of Staff Gen. Eric K. Shinseki, Ambassador Joseph Wilson, et al, who were vilified and marginalized for telling an unflattering version of the truth about the Neo-Cons and Bush/Cheney.


Communism is poison, period... It has failed everywhere it was tried and only lasts as long as a country can enslave its people. People risk their lives to escape from communism not to get into it.

It is not greed that needs addressing, it is free will and human desire to improve one's own life or create greatness for himself and others, without government interference.

Communism is one step up the ladder from socialism (what so many of today's democrats now praise, yet has failed everywhere else in the world) and two steps up from liberalism... the desire by a few to have so much control over so many, to pit one class against another, to redistribute wealth from those who produce (and pay taxes) to those who do not. Mainly to buy votes by promissing things to people from government (again that's us taxpayers) instead of creating opportunatety by staying out of our way (reducing taxes) so we can continue to do for us, what we know we can do on our own... and in doing so grow the economy and create real jobs and opportunatety and incentive for others to do great!

Give a man a fish and feed him for a day... OR Teach a man to fish so he can feed himself, forever!

It is personal, property, and economic freedom that makes countries great... not an all powerful and controlling government.

mtgoat666 - 8-24-2008 at 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by David K

Communism is one step up the ladder from socialism (what so many of today's democrats now praise, yet has failed everywhere else in the world) and two steps up from liberalism... the desire by a few to have so much control over so many, to pit one class against another, to redistribute wealth from those who produce (and pay taxes) to those who do not. Mainly to buy votes by promissing things to people from government (again that's us taxpayers) instead of creating opportunatety by staying out of our way (reducing taxes) so we can continue to do for us, what we know we can do on our own... and in doing so grow the economy and create real jobs and opportunatety and incentive for others to do great!


you sure drink a lot of kool-aid from AM radio. do you always take the 64 ounce size?

palmeto99 - 8-24-2008 at 06:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Quote:
Originally posted by BajaBruno
I have no complaint with Baja JAZZ’s interpretation.

There's nothing inherently wrong with communism. It hasn’t been particularly successful, unfortunately, because it doesn’t provide for the innate greediness of humans, but our fearless leader must think it’s OK, because we send billions of dollars a month to (communist) China, and millions to (communist) Viet Nam and (communist) North Korea. That we ignore Cuba in the face of all this is a little more than I can explain.

As for the PRI’s party platform, much of that is legislated. Mexico has true separation of church and state—not the “play” separation that we enforce in the US. Church officials cannot run for office, endorse candidates, or donate money to election campaigns, and politicians cannot use their religious affiliation for political ends, or even pose in front of a religious symbol during a campaign.

As for party betrayal being grounds for ostracization, that just sounds like they are adopting a rule from the Bush/Cheney playbook, a la Press Secty Scott McClellan, anti-terrorism adviser Richard Clarke, Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, Army Chief of Staff Gen. Eric K. Shinseki, Ambassador Joseph Wilson, et al, who were vilified and marginalized for telling an unflattering version of the truth about the Neo-Cons and Bush/Cheney.


Communism is poison, period... It has failed everywhere it was tried and only lasts as long as a country can enslave its people. People risk their lives to escape from communism not to get into it.

It is not greed that needs addressing, it is free will and human desire to improve one's own life or create greatness for himself and others, without government interference.

Communism is one step up the ladder from socialism (what so many of today's democrats now praise, yet has failed everywhere else in the world) and two steps up from liberalism... the desire by a few to have so much control over so many, to pit one class against another, to redistribute wealth from those who produce (and pay taxes) to those who do not. Mainly to buy votes by promissing things to people from government (again that's us taxpayers) instead of creating opportunatety by staying out of our way (reducing taxes) so we can continue to do for us, what we know we can do on our own... and in doing so grow the economy and create real jobs and opportunatety and incentive for others to do great!

Give a man a fish and feed him for a day... OR Teach a man to fish so he can feed himself, forever!

It is personal, property, and economic freedom that makes countries great... not an all powerful and controlling government.



I have just gained a whole lot of respect for you David K.
Good show and all that .:cool:

Stickers - 8-24-2008 at 06:19 PM

Bajajazz and BajaBruno:

Thanks for the posts. I have always run into great thinkers in Mexico and you dudes prove it.

Baja has always attracted free spirits and "real guys" (and gals) who practice what they preach and revere freedom. In other words, they leave others alone to make their own mistakes. Repressive communism is short lived if left alone. The USA seems to have guaranteed Cuba stays enslaved by our stupid actions while all the other communist regimes have collapsed.
So can we come up with more stupid actions? "OH NO" Mister Bill has some.

mtgoat666 you could do a stand up act

Cypress - 8-24-2008 at 06:36 PM

Larry "The Cable Guy" is one heck-of- a funny guy. :lol:

BajaBruno - 8-24-2008 at 07:06 PM

It’s always nice to hear from you, David. I hope you are well.

“the desire by a few to have so much control over so many, to pit one class against another, to redistribute wealth from those who produce (and pay taxes) to those who do not. Mainly to buy votes by promissing things to people from government (again that's us taxpayers) instead of creating opportunatety by staying out of our way (reducing taxes) so we can continue to do for us, what we know we can do on our own... and in doing so grow the economy and create real jobs and opportunatety and incentive for others to do great!”

I don’t disagree with you here—I just think your blame is misplaced. A few have taken control and redistributed wealth in this country, but it isn’t who you think. It is the top 1% of the population who have, through influence and connections, not hard work, wrested more wealth than the lower 90% combined. “Between 2001 and 2004, average wealth grew by $1.2 million (about 3% per year) for the wealthiest 1%, raising their average wealth holdings to about $15 million. Wealth for an average household (the middle fifth) grew only about 0.8% per year to reach an average of about $82,000 in 2004.” [Economic Policy Institute, 2006.]

Middle class folks like me are concerned about the stock market, but you might be surprised to learn that over 90% of all stock value is owned by the wealthiest 20% of households, while the middle class spends, on average, 20% if their income to service debt. The United States has the greatest disparity of wealth in the entire industrialized world, which one professor termed “a national disgrace.” I completely agree.

The riches of working class America’s labor has been hijacked by the 1% and they have trickled down precious little of it to wage earners. Through tax breaks, stock manipulation, sweetheart contracts, labor union harassment, and unconscionable corporate executive salaries, the rich have gotten a lot richer and the rest of us have broken even or seen our net worth diminish, which is exactly where the 1% wants to see us.

The 1% will take 52% of the Bush tax “cuts” (I prefer to call then “tax deferments”) while CEO’s of major corporations will make 500 times what their average worker makes. Is this because they are so smart? Hardly. While corporate America sees layoffs, falling profits, criminal fraud and egregious errors of thinking by CEO’s, those stock options just keep multiplying.

"A general and tolerably equal distribution of... property is the whole basis of national freedom," Noah Webster, 1787. It isn’t “liberalism” that got us in this sorry state of affairs, though democrats have their share of the responsibility. Bush Sr. tried to stop the blood flowing from the failed economic policies of Reagan and got kicked out of office for his efforts. Clinton finally showed some fiscal responsibility, but with a Republican congress couldn’t accomplish anything to rein in the out of control financial sector, even if he wanted to, which is doubtful.

But Bush Sr. has committed economic sins that we will be living with for generations. Nothing but a severe redistribution of wealth is going to solve the woes we are looking at over the next few years, because the 1% has hoarded all the assets the country needs to recover from the fiscal nightmare created by that hoarding process. Good luck to us if we can’t stomach the ripple effects of that process, but I don’t see any other viable options.

mtgoat666 - 8-24-2008 at 07:21 PM

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Originally posted by BajaBruno
But Bush Sr. has committed economic sins that we will be living with for generations. Nothing but a severe redistribution of wealth is going to solve the woes we are looking at over the next few years, because the 1% has hoarded all the assets the country needs to recover from the fiscal nightmare created by that hoarding process. Good luck to us if we can’t stomach the ripple effects of that process, but I don’t see any other viable options.


And the top 1% own our politicians. The masses get pablum from their elected representatives, but the campaign contributors and lobbyist $$ get the important stuff. Capitalism as practiced in the US today is hardly better than the ideal of communism put forth by Marx.

For example, the masses care about McCains military service. That's pablum. The important stuff is economic policy. As long as republicans can deflect discussion from the economy to terror and Iraq and service, the 1% and lobbyists and politicians have succeeded in lining their pockets by misdirecting the masses.

Peace out!
Turn on and tune out!

Sharksbaja - 8-24-2008 at 09:45 PM

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Originally posted by palmeto99
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Originally posted by David K
Quote:
Originally posted by BajaBruno
I have no complaint with Baja JAZZ’s interpretation.

There's nothing inherently wrong with communism. It hasn’t been particularly successful, unfortunately, because it doesn’t provide for the innate greediness of humans, but our fearless leader must think it’s OK, because we send billions of dollars a month to (communist) China, and millions to (communist) Viet Nam and (communist) North Korea. That we ignore Cuba in the face of all this is a little more than I can explain.

As for the PRI’s party platform, much of that is legislated. Mexico has true separation of church and state—not the “play” separation that we enforce in the US. Church officials cannot run for office, endorse candidates, or donate money to election campaigns, and politicians cannot use their religious affiliation for political ends, or even pose in front of a religious symbol during a campaign.

As for party betrayal being grounds for ostracization, that just sounds like they are adopting a rule from the Bush/Cheney playbook, a la Press Secty Scott McClellan, anti-terrorism adviser Richard Clarke, Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, Army Chief of Staff Gen. Eric K. Shinseki, Ambassador Joseph Wilson, et al, who were vilified and marginalized for telling an unflattering version of the truth about the Neo-Cons and Bush/Cheney.


Communism is poison, period... It has failed everywhere it was tried and only lasts as long as a country can enslave its people. People risk their lives to escape from communism not to get into it.

It is not greed that needs addressing, it is free will and human desire to improve one's own life or create greatness for himself and others, without government interference.

Communism is one step up the ladder from socialism (what so many of today's democrats now praise, yet has failed everywhere else in the world) and two steps up from liberalism... the desire by a few to have so much control over so many, to pit one class against another, to redistribute wealth from those who produce (and pay taxes) to those who do not. Mainly to buy votes by promissing things to people from government (again that's us taxpayers) instead of creating opportunatety by staying out of our way (reducing taxes) so we can continue to do for us, what we know we can do on our own... and in doing so grow the economy and create real jobs and opportunatety and incentive for others to do great!

Give a man a fish and feed him for a day... OR Teach a man to fish so he can feed himself, forever!

It is personal, property, and economic freedom that makes countries great... not an all powerful and controlling government.



I have just gained a whole lot of respect for you David K.
Good show and all that .:cool:



Oh, you are a Republican:lol:


Good job and all that!:lol::lol:

bajajazz - 8-24-2008 at 10:47 PM

Those Americans who disapprove of socialism should refrain from driving on interstate highways, refuse to cash their social security checks, take advantage of Medicare, send their children to public schools or use the electricity generated by the hydroelectric dams installed on America's rivers. Those are all socialist programs, or rather examples of how naturally and easily socialism blends with capitalism in order to accomplish large-scale projects that are beyond the capacity of individuals or private enterprise.

We should never, ever forget that one of the major reasons America (and her Allies) won World War II is because of the hydroelectric dams like Grand Coulee that FDR caused to have built on the Columbia river with government (socialist) financing, because the project was too big for private utilities to undertake, and also because the private utilities could not foresee that the cost of construction would ever be amortized.

The electricity generated by Grand Coulee and other dams on the Columbia enabled the Kaiser company to produce cheap aluminum in vast quantities, which in turn enabled the Boeing company to manufacture warplanes faster than the Germans and Japanese could shoot them down. By the time of the D-Day Invasion, Germany's airforce was practically non-existent because Germany could not build new planes to replace those that were lost in combat. If, on D-Day, Germany had even one-quarter of the airplanes she'd started the war with it is highly likely that the Invasion of France would not have succeeded. Thanks to FDR and his funding of a "socialist" program of public works, succeed it did.

To my mind, the success of the D-Day Invasion is of vastly more importance than NASA's adventure of putting men on the moon to plant plastic flags and play golf, another "socialist" program that is also a historically remarkable achievement.

And what we need right now are more grand achievements that are beyond the ability or foresight of private enterprise to undertake, things like creation of high-speed bullet trains linking all the important cities and ports in the continental U.S., for example. It also wouldn't hurt to shore up our aging infrastructure before some more major bridges collapse and make us look stupid, foolish and senile in the eyes of the world. I'm sick of my country being second-best and falling fast in terms of healthcare, education, maintenance of infrastructure and creation of new technologies. It's time for a change alright, and I know the American people are up to the job. It's the leadership I'm worried about.

oxxo - 8-25-2008 at 05:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Communism is poison, period... It has failed everywhere it was tried and only lasts as long as a country can enslave its people. People risk their lives to escape from communism not to get into it.

It is not greed that needs addressing, it is free will and human desire to improve one's own life or create greatness for himself and others, without government interference.

Communism is one step up the ladder from socialism (what so many of today's democrats now praise, yet has failed everywhere else in the world) and two steps up from liberalism... the desire by a few to have so much control over so many, to pit one class against another, to redistribute wealth from those who produce (and pay taxes) to those who do not. Mainly to buy votes by promissing things to people from government (again that's us taxpayers) instead of creating opportunatety by staying out of our way (reducing taxes) so we can continue to do for us, what we know we can do on our own... and in doing so grow the economy and create real jobs and opportunatety and incentive for others to do great!

Give a man a fish and feed him for a day... OR Teach a man to fish so he can feed himself, forever!

It is personal, property, and economic freedom that makes countries great... not an all powerful and controlling government.


David, if you are going to quote someone else's words, please give credit. Do not plagarize.

Thank you.

k-rico - 8-25-2008 at 05:58 AM

BajaBruno & Jazz :yes:

David K - 8-25-2008 at 07:37 AM

My words oxxo, so the credit is me.

As for the comments about a few having so much... that is great, because poor people don't hire me to do work! The more rich people there are the better life is for the rest of us.

It is rich people who create jobs, real jobs by building or upgrading homes, expanding businesses, purchasing boats, big screens, cars, RVs...

Viva Free Enterprise, Viva Capitalism, Viva Freedom!!!

oxxo - 8-25-2008 at 08:12 AM

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Originally posted by David K
As for the comments about a few having so much... that is great, because poor people don't hire me to do work! The more rich people there are the better life is for the rest of us.

It is rich people who create jobs, real jobs by building or upgrading homes, expanding businesses, purchasing boats, big screens, cars, RVs...

Viva Free Enterprise, Viva Capitalism, Viva Freedom!!!


Let's ALL sing!
(to the tune of I'm Proud to be an American by Lee Greenwood)

If tomorrow all the liberals were gone
I've hated all my life
And all that was left
Was Rush Limbaugh and Lewinsky
I'd thank my lucky stars
To be living here today,
'Cause the libbys they hate America
And they control the press

I'm proud to be a Republican
Where at least I know I'm right
And I won't forget George Dubya
Who's the greatest leader ever
And I proudly stand up next to you
Unless you're a stinky Dem
'Cause there ain't no doubt I'm better than you!
God bless the G.O.P!

From the evil Clintons
To that hillbilly Franken
With Olbermann and Colmes
Who are part of the liberal press
From Jefferson down to Obama
And the losers Gore and Biden, they will all be with Satan
And it's time I stand and say:

I'm proud to be a Republican
Where at least I know I'm right
And I wont forget George Dubya,
Who's the greatest leader ever
And I proudly stand up next to you,
Cause there ain't no doubt I'm better than you!
God bless the G.O.P!

David K - 8-25-2008 at 08:21 AM

oxxo,

You know how funny it is when you think you are funny?:lol:

George W isn't running for president, yet the dems are still running against him... even calling the last 8 years Bush-McCain instead of Bush-Chaney!

Bush was not much of a conservative except on 2 important issues (the most important): Protecting America from more attacks and lowering taxes which grew the economy despite our being attacked.

As for most everything else, Bush spent money like a democrat... You should have loved him for that!

I think this, yours and some other posts in this thread are not Baja News anymore...

[Edited on 8-25-2008 by David K]

Cypress - 8-25-2008 at 08:22 AM

Mexico going communist? No. The drug cartels will never allow it.:D

oxxo - 8-25-2008 at 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by David K
You know how funny it is when you think you are funny?:lol:


I'm happy I make you laugh!
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Bush-Chaney!


Cheney?
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As for most everything else, Bush spent money like a democrat... You should have loved him for that!


You've got to admit Clinton balanced the budget. Bush unbalanced it.
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I think this, yours and some other posts in this thread are not Baja News anymore...


Amen amigo. If you want to discuss it further, PM me.

pacificobob - 8-25-2008 at 10:49 AM

i wonder how many nomads have ever visited a communist country...ill go out on a limb and venture a guess the number is small, by the nature of the comments here....

Wrong--don't try to rewrite history!!

beercan - 8-25-2008 at 11:10 AM

Read the above post and read the Constitution. Congress ,in this instance, Repubs,actually drug klinton, kicking and screaming to the balanced budget !!!!!!!!!!
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by Oxxo
You've got to admit Clinton balanced the budget. Bush unbalanced it.

What crap you spew--

beercan - 8-25-2008 at 11:29 AM

I have/do personally know many people who are in the top 5% and a couple that fall into the top 1%--and they all EARNED their wealth.
One of the 1%-- ers, started with one backhoe tractor and a pickup truck approximately 35 years ago and worked , invested and took many chances to EARN his assets which I estimate to be over $100 million dollars today !!!!!!!
The other who I visited in his office yesterday , started buying and repairing houses while an employee for a local company. He saved , worked and invested and took many chances to EARN his share, which I estimate to be about $75 million today.

Both of these individuals took chances and actually worked in their businesses and deserve every penny !! Don't tear down what you don't know anything about !!!!!!!!!!
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by baja-whatever-bruno
A few have taken control and redistributed wealth in this country, but it isn’t who you think. It is the top 1% of the population who have, through influence and connections, not hard work, wrested more wealth than the lower 90% combined. “


[Edited on 8-25-2008 by beercan]