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Mexico headed toward Communism
PRI passes new platform
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The Institutional Revolutionary Party, or PRI, passed a new party platform at its National Assembly on Saturday, which among other reforms will
sanction members who "betray" the party.
The reforms to its bylaws also prohibit economic, political and media support from foreigners, religious organizations, cult leaders and the Catholic
Church.
The party stated in its reforms that the security crisis will not be resolved by quick fixes but will need long-term planning, and established that
members can be suspended when there is evidence of party betrayal.
The new platform is meant to establish a fresh image for the party ahead of the 2009 midterm elections, and place the PRI among other social
democratic parties, according to its leaders.
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
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Lets hope they do not get elected. Yikes.
The advice I am about to give you is worth what you are paying for it.
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Commies
Mexico has been headed towards Communism since the Revolution. Luckily, so far, that journey has been sporadic and chaotic.
Should that change, U.S. troop levels in the Middle-East should be down far enough for deployment closer to home.
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Never happen in my lifetime--
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So what, it's not our country...they can do what ever they want...
Richard on the Hill
*ABROAD*, adj. At war with savages and idiots. To be a Frenchman abroad is to
be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
-- Ambrose Bierce, _The Enlarged Devil\'s Dictionary_
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Geez, what are we gonna do if Mexico gets the Atom Bomb and other Weapons of Mass Destruction?
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I will know that they are close to getting the bomb when they stop dumping their garbage everywhere.
The advice I am about to give you is worth what you are paying for it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
Geez, what are we gonna do if Mexico gets the Atom Bomb and other Weapons of Mass Destruction? |
We already know the answer to that question. I want the beer consession after the invasion, and I will make Cindy the CEO.
Barry
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I have never, ever given a tinker's damn what kind of economic system another country chooses to adopt. Just like whether or not a woman chooses to
have an abortion, it is one of those things that is not any of my business.
Most of this anti-communist hysteria derives from a malicious brainstorm cooked up by four closet queers from New York, Wisconsin and Washington DC,
namely: J. Edgar Hoover (who supplied raw, unverified "information"), Joe McCarthy (who used the "information" to impugn the patriotism of anyone
Hoover wanted to smear), Cardinal Spellman (who supplied the money to McCarthy for his "investigations") and Roy Cohn, a shyster lawyer who used the
law to persecute innocent people and who died of AIDS, but not too soon. Together, those four ba ds scared the pants off of America and as a
country we've been running scared ever since.
America's flirtation with communism died when the madman Stalin entered into a nonaggression pact with the madman Hitler.
I apologize to all uncloseted homosexuals for using the term "queer" in a derogatory way. But it is my firm belief that closeted, self-hating queers
in positions of power -- who use their power maliciously in a forlorn effort to cover up their own delinquencies -- are fair game to be derided in any
language and in any forum.
Now, flame away.
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I have no complaint with Baja JAZZ’s interpretation.
There's nothing inherently wrong with communism. It hasn’t been particularly successful, unfortunately, because it doesn’t provide for the innate
greediness of humans, but our fearless leader must think it’s OK, because we send billions of dollars a month to (communist) China, and millions to
(communist) Viet Nam and (communist) North Korea. That we ignore Cuba in the face of all this is a little more than I can explain.
As for the PRI’s party platform, much of that is legislated. Mexico has true separation of church and state—not the “play” separation that we enforce
in the US. Church officials cannot run for office, endorse candidates, or donate money to election campaigns, and politicians cannot use their
religious affiliation for political ends, or even pose in front of a religious symbol during a campaign.
As for party betrayal being grounds for ostracization, that just sounds like they are adopting a rule from the Bush/Cheney playbook, a la Press Secty
Scott McClellan, anti-terrorism adviser Richard Clarke, Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, Army Chief of Staff Gen. Eric K. Shinseki, Ambassador Joseph
Wilson, et al, who were vilified and marginalized for telling an unflattering version of the truth about the Neo-Cons and Bush/Cheney.
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBruno
I have no complaint with Baja JAZZ’s interpretation.
There's nothing inherently wrong with communism. It hasn’t been particularly successful, unfortunately, because it doesn’t provide for the innate
greediness of humans, but our fearless leader must think it’s OK, because we send billions of dollars a month to (communist) China, and millions to
(communist) Viet Nam and (communist) North Korea. That we ignore Cuba in the face of all this is a little more than I can explain.
As for the PRI’s party platform, much of that is legislated. Mexico has true separation of church and state—not the “play” separation that we enforce
in the US. Church officials cannot run for office, endorse candidates, or donate money to election campaigns, and politicians cannot use their
religious affiliation for political ends, or even pose in front of a religious symbol during a campaign.
As for party betrayal being grounds for ostracization, that just sounds like they are adopting a rule from the Bush/Cheney playbook, a la Press Secty
Scott McClellan, anti-terrorism adviser Richard Clarke, Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, Army Chief of Staff Gen. Eric K. Shinseki, Ambassador Joseph
Wilson, et al, who were vilified and marginalized for telling an unflattering version of the truth about the Neo-Cons and Bush/Cheney.
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Communism is poison, period... It has failed everywhere it was tried and only lasts as long as a country can enslave its people. People risk their
lives to escape from communism not to get into it.
It is not greed that needs addressing, it is free will and human desire to improve one's own life or create greatness for himself and others, without
government interference.
Communism is one step up the ladder from socialism (what so many of today's democrats now praise, yet has failed everywhere else in the world) and two
steps up from liberalism... the desire by a few to have so much control over so many, to pit one class against another, to redistribute wealth from
those who produce (and pay taxes) to those who do not. Mainly to buy votes by promissing things to people from government (again that's us taxpayers)
instead of creating opportunatety by staying out of our way (reducing taxes) so we can continue to do for us, what we know we can do on our own... and
in doing so grow the economy and create real jobs and opportunatety and incentive for others to do great!
Give a man a fish and feed him for a day... OR Teach a man to fish so he can feed himself, forever!
It is personal, property, and economic freedom that makes countries great... not an all powerful and controlling government.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Communism is one step up the ladder from socialism (what so many of today's democrats now praise, yet has failed everywhere else in the world) and two
steps up from liberalism... the desire by a few to have so much control over so many, to pit one class against another, to redistribute wealth from
those who produce (and pay taxes) to those who do not. Mainly to buy votes by promissing things to people from government (again that's us taxpayers)
instead of creating opportunatety by staying out of our way (reducing taxes) so we can continue to do for us, what we know we can do on our own... and
in doing so grow the economy and create real jobs and opportunatety and incentive for others to do great!
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you sure drink a lot of kool-aid from AM radio. do you always take the 64 ounce size?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBruno
I have no complaint with Baja JAZZ’s interpretation.
There's nothing inherently wrong with communism. It hasn’t been particularly successful, unfortunately, because it doesn’t provide for the innate
greediness of humans, but our fearless leader must think it’s OK, because we send billions of dollars a month to (communist) China, and millions to
(communist) Viet Nam and (communist) North Korea. That we ignore Cuba in the face of all this is a little more than I can explain.
As for the PRI’s party platform, much of that is legislated. Mexico has true separation of church and state—not the “play” separation that we enforce
in the US. Church officials cannot run for office, endorse candidates, or donate money to election campaigns, and politicians cannot use their
religious affiliation for political ends, or even pose in front of a religious symbol during a campaign.
As for party betrayal being grounds for ostracization, that just sounds like they are adopting a rule from the Bush/Cheney playbook, a la Press Secty
Scott McClellan, anti-terrorism adviser Richard Clarke, Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, Army Chief of Staff Gen. Eric K. Shinseki, Ambassador Joseph
Wilson, et al, who were vilified and marginalized for telling an unflattering version of the truth about the Neo-Cons and Bush/Cheney.
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Communism is poison, period... It has failed everywhere it was tried and only lasts as long as a country can enslave its people. People risk their
lives to escape from communism not to get into it.
It is not greed that needs addressing, it is free will and human desire to improve one's own life or create greatness for himself and others, without
government interference.
Communism is one step up the ladder from socialism (what so many of today's democrats now praise, yet has failed everywhere else in the world) and two
steps up from liberalism... the desire by a few to have so much control over so many, to pit one class against another, to redistribute wealth from
those who produce (and pay taxes) to those who do not. Mainly to buy votes by promissing things to people from government (again that's us taxpayers)
instead of creating opportunatety by staying out of our way (reducing taxes) so we can continue to do for us, what we know we can do on our own... and
in doing so grow the economy and create real jobs and opportunatety and incentive for others to do great!
Give a man a fish and feed him for a day... OR Teach a man to fish so he can feed himself, forever!
It is personal, property, and economic freedom that makes countries great... not an all powerful and controlling government. |
I have just gained a whole lot of respect for you David K.
Good show and all that .
The advice I am about to give you is worth what you are paying for it.
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Bajajazz and BajaBruno:
Thanks for the posts. I have always run into great thinkers in Mexico and you dudes prove it.
Baja has always attracted free spirits and "real guys" (and gals) who practice what they preach and revere freedom. In other words, they leave others
alone to make their own mistakes. Repressive communism is short lived if left alone. The USA seems to have guaranteed Cuba stays enslaved by our
stupid actions while all the other communist regimes have collapsed.
So can we come up with more stupid actions? "OH NO" Mister Bill has some.
mtgoat666 you could do a stand up act
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Larry "The Cable Guy" is one heck-of- a funny guy. 
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It’s always nice to hear from you, David. I hope you are well.
“the desire by a few to have so much control over so many, to pit one class against another, to redistribute wealth from those who produce (and pay
taxes) to those who do not. Mainly to buy votes by promissing things to people from government (again that's us taxpayers) instead of creating
opportunatety by staying out of our way (reducing taxes) so we can continue to do for us, what we know we can do on our own... and in doing so grow
the economy and create real jobs and opportunatety and incentive for others to do great!”
I don’t disagree with you here—I just think your blame is misplaced. A few have taken control and redistributed wealth in this country, but it isn’t
who you think. It is the top 1% of the population who have, through influence and connections, not hard work, wrested more wealth than the lower 90%
combined. “Between 2001 and 2004, average wealth grew by $1.2 million (about 3% per year) for the wealthiest 1%, raising their average wealth
holdings to about $15 million. Wealth for an average household (the middle fifth) grew only about 0.8% per year to reach an average of about $82,000
in 2004.” [Economic Policy Institute, 2006.]
Middle class folks like me are concerned about the stock market, but you might be surprised to learn that over 90% of all stock value is owned by the
wealthiest 20% of households, while the middle class spends, on average, 20% if their income to service debt. The United States has the greatest
disparity of wealth in the entire industrialized world, which one professor termed “a national disgrace.” I completely agree.
The riches of working class America’s labor has been hijacked by the 1% and they have trickled down precious little of it to wage earners. Through
tax breaks, stock manipulation, sweetheart contracts, labor union harassment, and unconscionable corporate executive salaries, the rich have gotten a
lot richer and the rest of us have broken even or seen our net worth diminish, which is exactly where the 1% wants to see us.
The 1% will take 52% of the Bush tax “cuts” (I prefer to call then “tax deferments”) while CEO’s of major corporations will make 500 times what their
average worker makes. Is this because they are so smart? Hardly. While corporate America sees layoffs, falling profits, criminal fraud and
egregious errors of thinking by CEO’s, those stock options just keep multiplying.
"A general and tolerably equal distribution of... property is the whole basis of national freedom," Noah Webster, 1787. It isn’t “liberalism” that
got us in this sorry state of affairs, though democrats have their share of the responsibility. Bush Sr. tried to stop the blood flowing from the
failed economic policies of Reagan and got kicked out of office for his efforts. Clinton finally showed some fiscal responsibility, but with a
Republican congress couldn’t accomplish anything to rein in the out of control financial sector, even if he wanted to, which is doubtful.
But Bush Sr. has committed economic sins that we will be living with for generations. Nothing but a severe redistribution of wealth is going to solve
the woes we are looking at over the next few years, because the 1% has hoarded all the assets the country needs to recover from the fiscal nightmare
created by that hoarding process. Good luck to us if we can’t stomach the ripple effects of that process, but I don’t see any other viable options.
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBruno
But Bush Sr. has committed economic sins that we will be living with for generations. Nothing but a severe redistribution of wealth is going to solve
the woes we are looking at over the next few years, because the 1% has hoarded all the assets the country needs to recover from the fiscal nightmare
created by that hoarding process. Good luck to us if we can’t stomach the ripple effects of that process, but I don’t see any other viable options.
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And the top 1% own our politicians. The masses get pablum from their elected representatives, but the campaign contributors and lobbyist $$ get the
important stuff. Capitalism as practiced in the US today is hardly better than the ideal of communism put forth by Marx.
For example, the masses care about McCains military service. That's pablum. The important stuff is economic policy. As long as republicans can
deflect discussion from the economy to terror and Iraq and service, the 1% and lobbyists and politicians have succeeded in lining their pockets by
misdirecting the masses.
Peace out!
Turn on and tune out!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by palmeto99
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBruno
I have no complaint with Baja JAZZ’s interpretation.
There's nothing inherently wrong with communism. It hasn’t been particularly successful, unfortunately, because it doesn’t provide for the innate
greediness of humans, but our fearless leader must think it’s OK, because we send billions of dollars a month to (communist) China, and millions to
(communist) Viet Nam and (communist) North Korea. That we ignore Cuba in the face of all this is a little more than I can explain.
As for the PRI’s party platform, much of that is legislated. Mexico has true separation of church and state—not the “play” separation that we enforce
in the US. Church officials cannot run for office, endorse candidates, or donate money to election campaigns, and politicians cannot use their
religious affiliation for political ends, or even pose in front of a religious symbol during a campaign.
As for party betrayal being grounds for ostracization, that just sounds like they are adopting a rule from the Bush/Cheney playbook, a la Press Secty
Scott McClellan, anti-terrorism adviser Richard Clarke, Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, Army Chief of Staff Gen. Eric K. Shinseki, Ambassador Joseph
Wilson, et al, who were vilified and marginalized for telling an unflattering version of the truth about the Neo-Cons and Bush/Cheney.
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Communism is poison, period... It has failed everywhere it was tried and only lasts as long as a country can enslave its people. People risk their
lives to escape from communism not to get into it.
It is not greed that needs addressing, it is free will and human desire to improve one's own life or create greatness for himself and others, without
government interference.
Communism is one step up the ladder from socialism (what so many of today's democrats now praise, yet has failed everywhere else in the world) and two
steps up from liberalism... the desire by a few to have so much control over so many, to pit one class against another, to redistribute wealth from
those who produce (and pay taxes) to those who do not. Mainly to buy votes by promissing things to people from government (again that's us taxpayers)
instead of creating opportunatety by staying out of our way (reducing taxes) so we can continue to do for us, what we know we can do on our own... and
in doing so grow the economy and create real jobs and opportunatety and incentive for others to do great!
Give a man a fish and feed him for a day... OR Teach a man to fish so he can feed himself, forever!
It is personal, property, and economic freedom that makes countries great... not an all powerful and controlling government. |
I have just gained a whole lot of respect for you David K.
Good show and all that . |
Oh, you are a Republican
Good job and all that!
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
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Those Americans who disapprove of socialism should refrain from driving on interstate highways, refuse to cash their social security checks, take
advantage of Medicare, send their children to public schools or use the electricity generated by the hydroelectric dams installed on America's rivers.
Those are all socialist programs, or rather examples of how naturally and easily socialism blends with capitalism in order to accomplish large-scale
projects that are beyond the capacity of individuals or private enterprise.
We should never, ever forget that one of the major reasons America (and her Allies) won World War II is because of the hydroelectric dams like Grand
Coulee that FDR caused to have built on the Columbia river with government (socialist) financing, because the project was too big for private
utilities to undertake, and also because the private utilities could not foresee that the cost of construction would ever be amortized.
The electricity generated by Grand Coulee and other dams on the Columbia enabled the Kaiser company to produce cheap aluminum in vast quantities,
which in turn enabled the Boeing company to manufacture warplanes faster than the Germans and Japanese could shoot them down. By the time of the
D-Day Invasion, Germany's airforce was practically non-existent because Germany could not build new planes to replace those that were lost in combat.
If, on D-Day, Germany had even one-quarter of the airplanes she'd started the war with it is highly likely that the Invasion of France would not have
succeeded. Thanks to FDR and his funding of a "socialist" program of public works, succeed it did.
To my mind, the success of the D-Day Invasion is of vastly more importance than NASA's adventure of putting men on the moon to plant plastic flags and
play golf, another "socialist" program that is also a historically remarkable achievement.
And what we need right now are more grand achievements that are beyond the ability or foresight of private enterprise to undertake, things like
creation of high-speed bullet trains linking all the important cities and ports in the continental U.S., for example. It also wouldn't hurt to shore
up our aging infrastructure before some more major bridges collapse and make us look stupid, foolish and senile in the eyes of the world. I'm sick of
my country being second-best and falling fast in terms of healthcare, education, maintenance of infrastructure and creation of new technologies. It's
time for a change alright, and I know the American people are up to the job. It's the leadership I'm worried about.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Communism is poison, period... It has failed everywhere it was tried and only lasts as long as a country can enslave its people. People risk their
lives to escape from communism not to get into it.
It is not greed that needs addressing, it is free will and human desire to improve one's own life or create greatness for himself and others, without
government interference.
Communism is one step up the ladder from socialism (what so many of today's democrats now praise, yet has failed everywhere else in the world) and two
steps up from liberalism... the desire by a few to have so much control over so many, to pit one class against another, to redistribute wealth from
those who produce (and pay taxes) to those who do not. Mainly to buy votes by promissing things to people from government (again that's us taxpayers)
instead of creating opportunatety by staying out of our way (reducing taxes) so we can continue to do for us, what we know we can do on our own... and
in doing so grow the economy and create real jobs and opportunatety and incentive for others to do great!
Give a man a fish and feed him for a day... OR Teach a man to fish so he can feed himself, forever!
It is personal, property, and economic freedom that makes countries great... not an all powerful and controlling government. |
David, if you are going to quote someone else's words, please give credit. Do not plagarize.
Thank you.
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