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Nearly 130 prosecutors, cops dismissed in Baja

teadust - 8-28-2008 at 04:25 AM

(Full Article Here)

Excerpt:

August 28, 2008
Top Baja California law enforcement officials yesterday announced the dismissal of 129 police officers, investigators, prosecutors and other members of law enforcement agencies across the state.

Those fired include 90 municipal police officers, 66 of them from Tijuana; 34 employees of the Baja California Attorney General's Office, including 17 investigators; four members of the Baja California state preventive police; and one state prison custodian.

The dismissals were made for a range of reasons, from administrative infractions to accusations of torture, falsification of documents and crimes against the administration of justice, said Rommel Moreno Manjarrez, Baja California's attorney general. The dismissals included two state agents behind bars, one accused of rape, the other of homicide.

CaboRon - 8-28-2008 at 05:50 AM

teadust,

Souonds like good progressive news...

Your heading is a little confusing in reference to "Baja" as it appears that this action has been taken only in Baja California. Am I wrong or does it also include Baja California Sur ?

CAboRon

losfrailes - 8-28-2008 at 06:28 AM

The original article has no reference to BCS.

Martyman - 8-28-2008 at 08:27 AM

I hope the two TJ cops, that I paid mordita to, got fired.

bajalou - 8-28-2008 at 08:45 AM

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Originally posted by CaboRon
teadust,

Souonds like good progressive news...

Your heading is a little confusing in reference to "Baja" as it appears that this action has been taken only in Baja California. Am I wrong or does it also include Baja California Sur ?

CAboRon


I believe the reference to "Baja California" means the state of Baja California.

Woooosh - 8-28-2008 at 09:43 AM

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Originally posted by Martyman
I hope the two TJ cops, that I paid mordita to, got fired.


That's interesting. IMHO, the days of police Morditas are looking like the "good ole days" for Mexico... these firings are for serious crimes against the people and system that threatens the stability of Mexico herself. I'm more worried the cop that pulls me over wil be an imposter out to do me serious harm- getting away from one for $20 would be a godsend. When this whole wave of narco-crime started in Baja Norte a few years ago- it was hard for people to understand just how serious and bad it is.

It'll be years before they get back to the point of firing cops for the "morditas". If that's all they are doing wrong they should get a gold star. Many are part of the narco war network that has embraced kidnaping and killing, then covering up the investigations and ultimatley funneling the cases to corrupt prosectuors and judges who have been letting them go. That's what this is about- not $20.
It looks like they are breaking the links in the narco chain. They have their network of corrupt cops, investigators, prosecutors and judges--- now they have a handful less. Hundreds more to go.

Martyman - 8-28-2008 at 09:59 AM

So Woooosh;
You are on top of this subject. Won't the police, investigators, etc. that got fired just sign up full time with the bad guy cartels? Too bad they can't charge them and put them in jail for a while to think about their wayward ways.

ps It wasn't $20 it was $42 and $60.

Woooosh - 8-28-2008 at 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by Martyman
So Woooosh;
You are on top of this subject. Won't the police, investigators, etc. that got fired just sign up full time with the bad guy cartels? Too bad they can't charge them and put them in jail for a while to think about their wayward ways.

ps It wasn't $20 it was $42 and $60.


Inflation I guess- or you did something really dumb.

Yes, the fired corrupt likely turn to their friends and become full-time narcos- purely out of need for income at that point. It isn't like they're going to become front desk clerks in a tourist hotel and there isn't a supply of willing, educated people standing by to fill any of those jobs (they bailed out to the USA).

Recently they were training replacement officers in Mexico City- but the cartels were assisinating them on their way home from the academy (the trainees weren't allowed to carry arms to defend themselves). Jailing gang members only allows them to sharpen their gang ties and skills for when they are released.

Americans aren't the targets right now- but the narcos don't care who gets caught in their crosshairs when a battle erupts. The best thing we can do is to stay safe, protect oursleves the best we can, and stay out of their way.

losfrailes - 8-28-2008 at 10:24 AM

If you click on the link to the original story, you will find that those let go are being identified by visits to their homes, and postings nationwide to help keep them out of employment where they can continue their bad ways.

Might take a grain of salt, but at least something is being done!

Woooosh - 8-28-2008 at 10:36 AM

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Originally posted by losfrailes
If you click on the link to the original story, you will find that those let go are being identified by visits to their homes, and postings nationwide to help keep them out of employment where they can continue their bad ways.

Might take a grain of salt, but at least something is being done!


Just what do the Mexican officials think these fired guys will do for work to feed their families? You think they'll take a job at WalMart where they are paid $85 for five and a half days work? I'm sure they'll be working in some meat packing plant in Iowa soon. More likely they'll move to the USA and become a narco killer on the USA side- a growing trend.

No, it IS about mordida...

Dave - 8-28-2008 at 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
It'll be years before they get back to the point of firing cops for the "morditas". If that's all they are doing wrong they should get a gold star. Many are part of the narco war network that has embraced kidnaping and killing, then covering up the investigations and ultimatley funneling the cases to corrupt prosectuors and judges who have been letting them go. That's what this is about- not $20.


and the culture that tolerates it. The billion dollar drug dealers started their careers stealing lunch money.

The cop who takes $20 is just as corrupt as the one who takes millions.

Skeet/Loreto - 8-28-2008 at 01:50 PM

Dave: Is it not the Demand from all of the Users in the States that cause the Whole Show??

Being an Ole Timer that lived in The States before there was any great use of DOPE other than Booze, I sometimes wonder:

What is the REAL SOLUTION to this very bad Problem??

Any Suggestions, comments on How we may solve this Problem??

Skeet/Loreto "Ole Timer"

palmeto99 - 8-28-2008 at 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by Dave
Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
It'll be years before they get back to the point of firing cops for the "morditas". If that's all they are doing wrong they should get a gold star. Many are part of the narco war network that has embraced kidnaping and killing, then covering up the investigations and ultimatley funneling the cases to corrupt prosectuors and judges who have been letting them go. That's what this is about- not $20.


and the culture that tolerates it. The billion dollar drug dealers started their careers stealing lunch money.

The cop who takes $20 is just as corrupt as the one who takes millions.



I agree, I do not think you can trust any of these cops.
How many have been fired over the last year in this region?

If you can not trust any of the police in Mexico and now it turns out the people in the ministerial publicos are twisted as well.. We are very close to losing this area of Mexico.:cool:

Woooosh - 8-28-2008 at 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Dave: Is it not the Demand from all of the Users in the States that cause the Whole Show??

Being an Ole Timer that lived in The States before there was any great use of DOPE other than Booze, I sometimes wonder:

What is the REAL SOLUTION to this very bad Problem??

Any Suggestions, comments on How we may solve this Problem??

Skeet/Loreto "Ole Timer"


The "USA drug demand" argrument has merit- so does the argument that Mexico intentionally does nothing on the border to stop the supply of drugs. Contrand flows from where it is imported/produced to where the buyers are. Drugs are made in Mexico and delivered to users in the USA, Guns are made in the USA and delivered to buyers in Mexico.

No argument here...but

Dave - 8-28-2008 at 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Dave: Is it not the Demand from all of the Users in the States that cause the Whole Show??


I'm talking about crooked cops. It's not drug money that corrupts. It's lack of morals.

Besides, I could care less about U.S. drug users. They can rot in hell.

[Edited on 8-28-2008 by Dave]

lizard lips - 8-28-2008 at 02:18 PM

I wonder what they will do now? I'm sure we will read about it soon enough.

Eugenio - 8-28-2008 at 04:14 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Dave: Is it not the Demand from all of the Users in the States that cause the Whole Show??

Being an Ole Timer that lived in The States before there was any great use of DOPE other than Booze, I sometimes wonder:

What is the REAL SOLUTION to this very bad Problem??

Any Suggestions, comments on How we may solve this Problem??

Skeet/Loreto "Ole Timer"


The "USA drug demand" argrument has merit- so does the argument that Mexico intentionally does nothing on the border to stop the supply of drugs. Contrand flows from where it is imported/produced to where the buyers are. Drugs are made in Mexico and delivered to users in the USA, Guns are made in the USA and delivered to buyers in Mexico.


Mexican narcos aren't simply filling a need in a market - they are also involved in expanding the market - that is increasing drug use in the US - especially among latino youth.

The problem with the US is that it has wealth - and wealth attracts unscruplous business.

Those poor kids

Dave - 8-28-2008 at 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by Eugenio

Mexican narcos aren't simply filling a need in a market - they are also involved in expanding the market - that is increasing drug use in the US - especially among latino youth.


The evil narcos tie them down and force them to shoot up.

Using drugs is a choice.

teadust - 8-28-2008 at 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by CaboRon
teadust,

Souonds like good progressive news...

Your heading is a little confusing in reference to "Baja" as it appears that this action has been taken only in Baja California. Am I wrong or does it also include Baja California Sur ?

CAboRon


I apologize; it does sound like it was only in BCN, not including BCS. I'll be more diligent about posting things related to BCS here! Still, I thought the scale of it was newsworthy as was the stated plan of monitoring those given the axe to somehow prevent them from being involved with organized crime later. Although what kind of jobs they WILL take is certainly up for speculation...

Eugenio - 8-28-2008 at 08:56 PM

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Originally posted by Dave
Quote:
Originally posted by Eugenio

Mexican narcos aren't simply filling a need in a market - they are also involved in expanding the market - that is increasing drug use in the US - especially among latino youth.


The evil narcos tie them down and force them to shoot up.

Using drugs is a choice.


Macdonald's/Burger King/Nintendo don't tie anyone down either - but they still do a L of job of marketing. In fact I'd submit that marketing dope to a disenfranchised 12 year old would be easier than selling him a burger - drugs are cool and will make him the tough guy on he block - gets you attention from the muchachas - oh yeah.

On the other hand maybe you're right Dave - maybe the narcos are careful to only fulfill a prexisting need - after all - they have the well-being american youth foremost in their minds...:lol::lol::lol: