BajaNomad - Racism in Off Topic

Racism in Off Topic

larry - 9-11-2008 at 05:07 PM

Several of the posters on Off Topic get childishly carried away with themselves from time to time--if they want to make fools of themselves in public, I guess that is up to them. However, I don't feel there is any place for racism on the Baja Nomad forum. I think those very few (like maybe two) individuals who feel compelled to express hatred, passed off as political opinion, should seek out other internet places to do so. I don't think it should be tolerated here. (Hopefully Doug will have deleted the current posting and banned the poster)

It seems that if you spell out curse words on this Forum, you may be banned or at least have your post deleted. In my opinion, the cloaked, and blatant, racist posts are much worse.

DENNIS - 9-11-2008 at 05:11 PM

If you don't like it, don't go there. And don't bring the topics of the OT board here. Sounds as though you have found a home for your nonsense, the OT board.

thebajarunner - 9-11-2008 at 06:14 PM

I agree with Dennis (at least this time....)

Off topic is off topic,
take it there,
leave it there,

:?:

DENNIS - 9-11-2008 at 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by thebajarunner
I agree with Dennis (at least this time....)

Aw, c'mon runner. Everybody knows you're a CAOD. [closet agree'er of Dennis]
Thank You for that, amigo.

Some just call me "Cad"

thebajarunner - 9-11-2008 at 08:13 PM

Thanks for the cheer,

next time I am down to Agua Viva I will try to shake you down for a cold one..

And we can NOT discuss off-topic.....

David K - 9-11-2008 at 08:20 PM

I agree too... It is in Off Topic for a reason... so we who don't like the fighting and noise making don't have to see it... Seriously Larry, why go there... and then why come back here and complain about what you saw there?

Keep Off Topic in Off Topic...

Last bastion of self-expression?

Lee - 9-11-2008 at 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
If you don't like it, don't go there. And don't bring the topics of the OT board here. Sounds as though you have found a home for your nonsense, the OT board.

Miss you in OT, Dennis.

DENNIS - 9-11-2008 at 08:59 PM

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Originally posted by Lee
Miss you in OT, Dennis.

Thank you, Mr. Lee. You know, I drop in occasionally for a word or two, however I do keep close track of your valiant battle with the self-righteous rightys. I'm sure you can hear my cheers and I'd join in but, there's no way I can keep up with you guys. Anyway, keep up the good fight.

Racism not to be tolerated

JaraHurd - 9-11-2008 at 08:59 PM

Larry..I don't know what you are refering to but I will (blindly..yikes..) second you. This site have a great rep but occasionally there are wingnuts that post some pretty toxic and ridiculous stuff...r

Alex - 9-11-2008 at 09:22 PM

> It's not only in off-topic
> Great advice - let disease fester as long as its in 'ot'

Thanks to Larry for the courage and jarahurd for showing its spreading

BAJACAT - 9-11-2008 at 09:29 PM

Just to know it's there it botters me, this is a Baja related site, I don't think we need a OT forum,but then I realized i don't own this site.This comment is with all the repect to all nomads that used the OT forum IMHO.

CaboRon - 9-12-2008 at 06:15 AM

Yea, the outragious raciesm shown by Canadians has got to stop.

They actually are under the impression they are better than Americans :lol:

CaboRon

Hook - 9-12-2008 at 06:21 AM

Rick: "......you can't close me down, on what grounds?"

Renault: " I'm shocked, shocked to find gambling going on in here!"

capt. mike - 9-12-2008 at 07:12 AM

OT is big fun to check in on every now and then. :light:

this i can tell you - the Conservative voices over there kicks the collective arses of the liberal bent and rant all day long. :fire:

know your friends. know your enemies even better. :coolup:

DENNIS - 9-12-2008 at 07:23 AM

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Originally posted by capt. mike

this i can tell you - the Conservative voices over there kicks the collective arses of the liberal bent and rant all day long

These guys are well practiced. The opposition puts up a good fight as well. This dialog is America at its finest. There are countrys in which one would die for voicing these opinions.
God Bless America and OT. Yankee Doodle.

David K - 9-12-2008 at 07:47 AM

Well, Doug is one who is big on freedom of speech and made Off Topic to move posts to or allow Nomads to 'vent' instead of cluttering up the BAJA forums... instead of just deleting non-Baja subject threads.

Larry, Alex, JaraHard, BajaCat, and those who are against or feel ANYTHING you see on any Nomad forum is in violation of Nomad rules, including Off Topic then PRESS the REPORT button!

That alerts Doug/ Moderators to the possible violation then they can remove it or move it, if they agree with you!

Racism is off topic, and that is where it WAS, until this thread was started.

Help Doug, click on REPORT! It is up there just above the text, next to QUOTE (to the right from the date and time of the post).

[Edited on 9-12-2008 by David K]

vandenberg - 9-12-2008 at 08:11 AM

OT...Don't understand that, if some of the posts there offend you, why even go there.
I enjoy going there occasionally and , yes, some is offensive, but, I also have to admit that some of the prose is outstanding and ,in itself, fun to read. ( Bill comes to mind )
The banter between him and Lee reminds me of my bar days. :no:

larry - 9-12-2008 at 08:56 AM

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Larry, Alex, JaraHard, BajaCat, and those who are against or feel ANYTHING you see on any Nomad forum is in violation of Nomad rules, including Off Topic the PRESS the REPORT button!

That alerts Doug/ Moderators to the possible violation then they can remove it or move it, if they agree with you!

Racism is off topic, and that is where it WAS, until this thread was started.

David. Thanks for the advice. Although I have been a member for several years, I never realized what the report button was for. I thought this section of the forum was for airing general forum issues, and it was certainly not my intention to spread the off topic nonsense to the other parts of the forum (and I distinguish between the normal nonsense, which is stupid but socially acceptable to some, and what I was complaining about which I think none of us want to be associated with)

DENNIS - 9-12-2008 at 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by vandenberg
( Bill comes to mind )
The banter between him and Lee reminds me of my bar days. :no:

That's exactly what Lee and Bill need. Walk together into a one stool bar and work it out. Turn off the metal detector at the door, please.

Packoderm - 9-12-2008 at 09:17 AM

Larry, perhaps the first thing you should do is request that this thread be moved off topic section (since it does not relate to Baja California, Mexico peninsula) and then debate whether racist remarks were made (complete with generalities) or if they might have been simply stating their observations about members of particular race/s and their behavior. If they said things like the N-word and that they are all just no good, then we definitely have racism. Or was it something else? I really don't feel like mining through the off topic section to see what you're talking about, so if you could elaborate, I would be most appreciative. Please don't think that I'm belittling your view of what constitutes racism, for I have not seen what you find to be objectionable. But in my mind, I do not automatically equate unflattering comments about behavior from members of a particular race as racist.

Woooosh - 9-12-2008 at 10:12 AM

OT is a fun place to peek once in a while, but I wouldn't want to hang there. Only time I visit is when one of my posts gets banned fromt he main board. Although a snakepit- it's still a huge step above the Craigslist Rants and Raves imho.

vandenberg - 9-12-2008 at 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS

Quote:

Originally posted by vandenberg
( Bill comes to mind )
The banter between him and Lee reminds me of my bar days. :no:

That's exactly what Lee and Bill need. Walk together into a one stool bar and work it out. Turn off the metal detector at the door, please.

Nah...watering holes are rife with idle threats. :biggrin:

Oh, sorry...

Dave - 9-12-2008 at 10:49 AM

I thought this thread was about NASCAR.

DENNIS - 9-12-2008 at 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by Dave
I thought this thread was about NASCAR.

Careful....You might offend all those Black drivers in the Winston Cup Series. [that is NASCAR, isn't it?]

You obviously ain't no fan.

Dave - 9-12-2008 at 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
Careful....You might offend all those Black drivers in the Winston Cup Series. [that is NASCAR, isn't it?]

Hasn't been called the Winston Cup in years.

Not PC.

There was a black driver a couple years back. Don't know where he went. Maybe open-wheel?

woody with a view - 9-12-2008 at 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
Careful....You might offend all those Black drivers in the Winston Cup Series. [that is NASCAR, isn't it?]

Hasn't been called the Winston Cup in years.

Not PC.

There was a black driver a couple years back. Don't know where he went. Maybe open-wheel?

his baby momma called! :no:

some bannings have taken place

flyfishinPam - 10-14-2008 at 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by larry
Several of the posters on Off Topic get childishly carried away with themselves from time to time--if they want to make fools of themselves in public, I guess that is up to them. However, I don't feel there is any place for racism on the Baja Nomad forum. I think those very few (like maybe two) individuals who feel compelled to express hatred, passed off as political opinion, should seek out other internet places to do so. I don't think it should be tolerated here. (Hopefully Doug will have deleted the current posting and banned the poster)

It seems that if you spell out curse words on this Forum, you may be banned or at least have your post deleted. In my opinion, the cloaked, and blatant, racist posts are much worse.

in perusing the offtopic board I noticed the worst offender palmeto99 has been banned, along with his/her other aliases. just take a look at the last of members, the newer ones since july or so and you'll see all of his/her aliases and all of the multiple personalities have been banned. I suspected for quite some time that this person had several aliases and I could guess at many of them. Now this proves that I suspected correctly all along. hopefully off topic will be a more civilized place and the rest of the board will be too.

THANKS BAJA NOMAD!!

Hook - 10-14-2008 at 07:22 PM

Actually, I like the idea of the OT board being like a cesspool. Why not have a place for crap to settle? Keeps the rest of the streets cleaner.

I say, everything goes on the OT board.

The Gull - 10-14-2008 at 08:02 PM

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Originally posted by flyfishinPam
in perusing the offtopic board I noticed the worst offender palmeto99 has been banned, along with his/her other aliases. just take a look at the last of members, the newer ones since july or so and you'll see all of his/her aliases and all of the multiple personalities have been banned. I suspected for quite some time that this person had several aliases and I could guess at many of them. Now this proves that I suspected correctly all along. hopefully off topic will be a more civilized place and the rest of the board will be too.

Pam, some on the board are tired of your campaigning. On OT there are many not-so-nice things. Stop with the proselytizing and stay where it is safe for you.

Skeet/Loreto - 10-15-2008 at 07:13 AM

Pam: If you really look at all the Mess, you can finally realize that it is like a ZOO on the Off Topic..

Monkeys, Monkeys , Monkeys. It is interesting watching the results of :Education and Culture" that has developed in the past two Generations.

Can this be a Result of Self Control?

Failure to understand Reality?

To me it sure demonstartes "Inability to Think".

But it is good for a Laugh to Listen to the Monkeys!

Skeet

flyfishinPam - 10-15-2008 at 07:18 AM

buenos dias.

Hook, this is a moderated board with rules. The rules were severely violated and thus action was taken. If off topic is to be an unmoderated board than so be it but it is not. I disagree with you that it contains certain posts, while it does to a point, there are several threads in this very section that prove that was not the case.

Gull, for some reason the offending poster claimed they were from Loreto, and this being a small town, I kind of took responsibility in a way for their comments. It was very difficult to believe they were really from here as we don't see such blatant and vile racism here thank goodness, they didn't represent Loreto. I felt it necessary to defend not only myself but other members of this board who were offended by that person. I have no fear to defend myself or others but perhaps you can't relate to that.

flyfishinPam - 10-15-2008 at 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Pam: If you really look at all the Mess, you can finally realize that it is like a ZOO on the Off Topic..

Monkeys, Monkeys , Monkeys. It is interesting watching the results of :Education and Culture" that has developed in the past two Generations.

Can this be a Result of Self Control?

Failure to understand Reality?

To me it sure demonstartes "Inability to Think".

But it is good for a Laugh to Listen to the Monkeys!

Skeet

yeah the off topic has entertainment value and is good for laffs you are correct. and I do not take most of it seriously but
there have been some very good exchanges in there and I have also looked into my own opinions when another person demonstrates that I should do so, but does so with respect for others. i don't have any problem with changing my position on things political if i discover and or am presented with evidence that would catalyze a change.

i thank you for your posts skeet, the advice on how the locals and the old timers here carry on with things is very valuable to me.

peace, love and tacos de cabrilla

The Gull - 10-15-2008 at 09:21 AM

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Originally posted by flyfishinPam
Gull, for some reason the offending poster claimed they were from Loreto, and this being a small town, I kind of took responsibility in a way for their comments. It was very difficult to believe they were really from here as we don't see such blatant and vile racism here thank goodness, they didn't represent Loreto. I felt it necessary to defend not only myself but other members of this board who were offended by that person. I have no fear to defend myself or others but perhaps you can't relate to that.

You have worn out the value of your outrage by posting about this subject so often. Moving on in life and not afflicting other Nomads with you campaign would be a great change of pace.

Why is "off-topic" still an item here

thebajarunner - 10-15-2008 at 09:47 AM

None of us that avoid the underground need to hear this stuff.

If you like living down there- great!

Keep it down there- OK??

No harm, no foul, enjoy your place.....

Us civilized folks are tired of hearing about what happens in the delinquent kindergarten....

toneart - 10-15-2008 at 11:54 AM

I have been refraining for a few months to post at all. Since it has gotten somewhat more civil, I put my toes in the water and have felt welcomed. So, with that said, I will offer my 2 cents:

The title of this string is "Racism in Off Topic". Yet there are two things going on here.
1.The subject of Off Topic and its deplorable racism.
2. FlyfishingPam's sense of justice.

Regarding Racism: It is so offensive, but it is what we have come to expect by the usual offenders. They are not people most of us would ever socialize with. So, let them stay in the cesspool. We don't have to go there. For us grownups, it is entertaining to lurk, infrequently, but a total waste of time to post in Off Topic. You aren't going to change any minds but you are encouraging them. They feed on new blood. It doesn't have to be yours.

Regarding Pam: She was viciously attacked in Off Topic; attacks on her demeanor, her family, her marriage, her business, using the most vile of insulting language. Yes, it would have been better for her if she had ignored them, but you try that under those conditions. When it gets so personal with distorted hate, you are compelled to defend yourself.

Those guys also ventured out of the cesspool and their venom spilled over here in the mainstream board. They attacked me, then reported my replies and got some of my posts removed. That is now water under the bridge and I have moved on. But Pam is feeling a sense of justice because the offenders have been banned.....Finally! (What took so long?)

Through collaboration and detective work, several of us Nomads discovered the real identity of the main perpetrator. We also know that he doesn't have a residence in Loreto. He was kicked out of Baja. Although we can't substantiate this next claim, it seemed apparent to us that he multiplied into several different entities, all at around the same time, all using the same bullying tactics, and all supporting one another.

I say good riddance!

And good for you Pam, for sticking up for what is right.

Most of us do have a life outside of the BajaNomad. The exchange of ideas, questions and answers revolving around our common love of Baja is usually a pleasure here. Oh sure, you have to wade through the BS, but for the most part, Nomads are wonderful people and the wealth of information and experience is second to none.

I get it that Gull felt the necessity to confront Pam's postings here although it think it is a bit insensitive. He was getting tired of the subject and he is free to state that opinion.

Pam is working through her anger and her hurt, and this was a necessary part of it. Lets indulge her. She needed that and we can stand by her without criticizing. :yes:

Good bait, larry.

Pompano - 10-15-2008 at 02:21 PM

I've never cast a fly in that pond.

[Edited on 10-15-2008 by Pompano]

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