Has anyone heard about immigration being able to track FM3/FM2 holders who are using FMTs to enter Mexico?DENNIS - 9-17-2008 at 09:13 AM
Well, they do have computers. Why would you want to do that?CaboRon - 9-17-2008 at 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by bajabombero
Has anyone heard about immigration being able to track FM3/FM2 holders who are using FMTs to enter Mexico?
Yes, Mexican Immigration can now track Visa abusers with their data base.
CaboRonslimshady - 9-17-2008 at 11:35 AM
How are people abusing their FM3's?dtbushpilot - 9-17-2008 at 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by DENNIS
Well, they do have computers. Why would you want to do that?
My wife and I had our FM3's sent off for renewal and hers was the only one to be returned. Armando Riley (doing the renewal for us) in Los Barriles
was told that Interpole was looking for someone with a similar name as mine and as soon as it was cleared up my FM3 would be returned. In the interim,
I have made 2 trips down and got an FMT at the border so that I would have something to show if I was asked. When I told Armando what I had done he
told me I could get in a lot of trouble for doing that as I now had resident status and was no longer a tourist. Dennis Riley has posted a few
articles on the Baja Pony Express web site on this issue and apparently one of his clients was caught and cited at the Cabo airport for having both an
FM3 and FMT. He indicated that he would post the outcome of the case.
As it stands right now, I was told that I had to go to the Immigration office in La Paz to sign some paper and I could get my FM3 back. I asked
Armando how I could legally get back into Mexico without my FM3. He is going to La Paz today and said he would find out. Armando and Dennis have been
very helpfull but having to deal with Mexican Immigration can be a challenge no matter who you are or who you know. I am planning on returning to Baja
the middle of October, I hope I have a resolution by then...dtDENNIS - 9-17-2008 at 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by dtbushpilot
I am planning on returning to Baja the middle of October, I hope I have a resolution by then...dt
There's alway$ a way.dtbushpilot - 9-17-2008 at 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by DENNIS
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Originally posted by dtbushpilot
I am planning on returning to Baja the middle of October, I hope I have a resolution by then...dt
There's alway$ a way.
Plea$e tell me more, who do I need to $ee about thi$...dtBob and Susan - 9-17-2008 at 12:56 PM
when you renewed you SHOULD have gotten a letter from Immigration office that you could leave and return while you didn't have the "book"
it costs about $20
then you are legal
as soon as the Immigration office told you you wouldn't be getting the "book" back they would have issued the letter for you to stay legalDENNIS - 9-17-2008 at 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by dtbushpilot
Plea$e tell me more, who do I need to $ee about thi$...dt
It's a delicate matter. Maybe ask Armando Riley.Cajones - 9-17-2008 at 01:06 PM
If you have an FM2 you are only allowed to be out of the country a limited time, or else you lose the FM2 status. They will cross-check with an FMT to
see if you are "cheating" the system by leaving and coming back on an FMT.Bob and Susan - 9-17-2008 at 01:21 PM
i just got an fmt for my daughter at tj yesterday
they have a new form and receipt from the bank
the teller puts in alot of info
maybe they use this data to cross check
before there was NO WAY to cross check
the searchers would have to go thru a "ton" of paperselizabeth - 9-17-2008 at 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by Bob and Susan
when you renewed you SHOULD have gotten a letter from Immigration office that you could leave and return while you didn't have the "book"
it costs about $20
then you are legal
as soon as the Immigration office told you you wouldn't be getting the "book" back they would have issued the letter for you to stay legal
As Bob and Susan said, a permiso to leave and reenter the country is what you should have obtained...did you tell the person that was handling your
renewal, or the immigration office that you needed to leave? It's a simple matter, and the only dollars that I have ever had to pay when my FM3 was
in the hands of immigration in Loreto and not in mine...initial fm3...doing a change of address...and now for renewal is MN$260 for the permiso.dtbushpilot - 9-17-2008 at 03:34 PM
Bob and Susan, thanks for the info. This was my first renewal so I'm still learning the ropes. Armando did mention a letter that I could get but I
didn't follow up because I would have had to go to La Paz and I was hopelessly stuck on Baja time and figured that I would just get a FMT in the
interim...before I found out that I wasn't supposed to. My plight is no ones fault but my own for being lazy. Perhaps Armando can get it for me and
send it DHL to me before I leave.
I will post my solution when I have one.
Thanks again to all....dtgnukid - 9-17-2008 at 03:42 PM
The permiso in progress stamped form is fine for leaving and returning. Having two visas is a problem that can be resolved by deportation and denial
of return. There is no reason not to visit the inm and ask for a form to identify your folio in progress to travel while any problems are resolved.
Its not a problem--just time consuming.
[Edited on 9-17-2008 by gnukid]bajabombero - 9-18-2008 at 03:43 PM
I have had my FM3 for nine yrs. In the past the letter to leave and return was only good for 30 days and 45 if you asked for more. If you needed
more than that tough luck.DENNIS - 9-18-2008 at 04:01 PM
What in the world are you people doing to yourselves? Go just a bit beyond the rules that nobody here can verify and live your lives. Why do you
think you have to report anything to anybody just because you want to go back and forth from the US to Mexico!! It won't matter to anybody if you
don't.
You have your paperwork in order so why do you beg for problems? You're the ones that cause mordida and eccess paperwork.
Look...It's simple. Quit trying to micro-manage compliance. Just live your lives without creating a need for somebody to get into your wallet.
You don't go through gates between Cabo and TJ that check your "coming-and-going" activities. Why do you want to create a need for this?
You're all nuts. This is Baja. Show some sense of adventure instead of the lemming response you seem to adhere to.CaboRon - 9-18-2008 at 04:07 PM
With all due respect Dennis,
Driveing and Flying are two different burros ...
When you fly in and or out everything is entered in the computer.
CaboRon
Now: my question is, when can you go back to an FMT ..
I am thinking of letting my FM3 expire and just useing
the FMT process .... I don't own a house, just am a
renter .... and I am beginning to question why I jump
thru hoops for this FM3 .... I never plan on seeking
citizenship .... and just don't see what the great
need is for a formal visa. I have met many people
down here who have NO paperwork and seem to
get by just fine.DENNIS - 9-18-2008 at 04:16 PM
Sorry Ron. I can't think about what's right or wrong without the US/MEX equation. I'm all for equity.CaboRon - 9-19-2008 at 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by DENNIS
Sorry Ron. I can't think about what's right or wrong without the US/MEX equation. I'm all for equity.
What is the "US/MEX equation" , I am not understanding the sentance.
Thanks,
CaboRonoldlady - 9-19-2008 at 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by DENNIS
Sorry Ron. I can't think about what's right or wrong without the US/MEX equation. I'm all for equity.
YES!bajabombero - 9-19-2008 at 09:21 AM
Just wondering? Do you have an FM2 or FM3 Dennis?dtbushpilot - 9-19-2008 at 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by DENNIS
What in the world are you people doing to yourselves? Go just a bit beyond the rules that nobody here can verify and live your lives. Why do you
think you have to report anything to anybody just because you want to go back and forth from the US to Mexico!! It won't matter to anybody if you
don't.
You have your paperwork in order so why do you beg for problems? You're the ones that cause mordida and eccess paperwork.
Look...It's simple. Quit trying to micro-manage compliance. Just live your lives without creating a need for somebody to get into your wallet.
You don't go through gates between Cabo and TJ that check your "coming-and-going" activities. Why do you want to create a need for this?
You're all nuts. This is Baja. Show some sense of adventure instead of the lemming response you seem to adhere to.
Well Dennis, I'm not sure how to respond to your suggestions but let me try.
I am a guest in Mexico. I have been coming to Baja for about 15 years and am happy to have the opportunity to travel freely (more or less) in Mexico
as a foreign national. I own 2 pieces of property in Baja and I'm required to have an FM3. Mexico, just like every other country has rules that they
expect you to follow if you intend to be in their country. I try to follow the rules to the best of my ability to show respect to the country and to
stay out of trouble. This is why I think that I have to report my comings and goings to travel between the US and Mexico. It can be frustrating at
times but the rules are theirs, not mine.
My paperwork is clearly not in order. I don't have, in my possesion, anything that indicates that I am in the country legally. If the INS finds a
Mexican National in the US without any proof that he is in the country legally he should expect to be detained and deported. I should expect the same
treatment from Mexico. I'd like to try to avoid that. As for the mordita issue, I can't say that I see a connection. In my years in Mexico I have
never paid mordita nor can I remember a time when it was asked for or even mentioned. Your suggestion to me "There's alway$ a way" makes me think that
you may be more a part of the problem than me. When I replied with a question of who to $ee about it I forgot to add . Sorry if I gave you the wrong idea of my intentions. As for asking Armando, I
wouldn't insult his integrety in such a way.
Sometimes we fly our own plane to Baja, sometimes we fly commercial, sometimes we drive. It's a different routine with each. I feel that it is my
responsibility to figure it out and comply with the requirements. Is it frustrating at times? Sure, but I am, after all, a guest in this country.
I don't think I'm nuts, quite the contrary. I don't think it's adventureous to thumb your nose at the requirements or laws in a foriegn country, I
think it's stupid and to suggest it as a good idea on this board does a great disservice to the new members who might think it's a good idea.
As I said in a past post, my situation is my own fault for being lazy and not following through with getting the "letter" that I should have gotten.
I'm sure I will get it straightened out sooner or later and I'd be willing to bet that I won't have to resort to mordita to do it.......dtCaboRon - 9-19-2008 at 09:42 AM
I have been to INS a couple of times to register my change of address and each time they take the Visa and ask me to come back to pick up the updated
Visa.
Each time they give me a one page document that has my new folio number on it ... I have always figured that that is my temp paperwork.
CaboRonDENNIS - 9-19-2008 at 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by dtbushpilot
As for asking Armando, I wouldn't insult his integrety in such a way.
It isn't a question of integrity. It's a question of paying more to expedite a matter. It isn't an insult to ask if this option is in place. In
many cases, it's just as much a part of the transaction as signing your name. This is Mexico, not Vatican City and whether you and I agree on the
common procedure, we didn't start it and we won't stop. It's one big game and the rules are set.bajabombero - 9-19-2008 at 01:46 PM
I believe legally you are only required to have an FM3 if you have a house in Mexico. You can own land and it is not required until you build.DENNIS - 9-19-2008 at 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by bajabombero
I believe legally you are only required to have an FM3 if you have a house in Mexico. You can own land and it is not required until you build.
If you live here, in your house or in a rental, the FM3 is required. "Living here" can be open to interpretation and depends on who's doing the
interpretation. It will be a hard sell to immigration that you would only need an FMT if you gave the impression of permanence.dtbushpilot - 9-19-2008 at 03:22 PM
I have a house (condo) in Buena Vista so an FM3 is required. I am planning to apply for dual citizenship in the future and understand this to be the
first step. I know several people who have done it....some easy...some not so easy. The rules and requirements seem to be in a state of flux and
change from time to time or place to place.
Does anybody have an expirience they could share or recomendations?...
Thanks.....dt......NomadCaboRon - 9-19-2008 at 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by dtbushpilot
I have a house (condo) in Buena Vista so an FM3 is required. I am planning to apply for dual citizenship in the future and understand this to be the
first step. I know several people who have done it....some easy...some not so easy. The rules and requirements seem to be in a state of flux and
change from time to time or place to place.
Does anybody have an expirience they could share or recomendations?...
Thanks.....dt......Nomad
If you want citizenship you should (on your next renewal) go
directly to an FM2 ..... you no longer have to go thru the FM3 first.
CaboRonbajalou - 9-19-2008 at 04:42 PM
Not what they say up here Ron.CaboRon - 9-19-2008 at 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by bajalou
Not what they say up here Ron.
New law , just went into effect in February ....
States you do not need to start with an FM3,
You go directly to an FM2....
CaboRon
I am sure New Mexico has different laws...
[Edited on 9-20-2008 by CaboRon]bajalou - 9-19-2008 at 06:54 PM
I'm sure the do Ron. But I meant San Felipe. Forgot I changed the location for the summer.
. Sorry if I gave you the wrong idea of my intentions. As for asking Armando, I
wouldn't insult his integrety in such a way.