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8 more bodys found in T.J.

Bruce R Leech - 10-2-2008 at 07:28 AM

this is getting to be a daily thing, we get up in the morning and turn on the T.V. to get the body count for the day.:o

k-rico - 10-2-2008 at 07:39 AM

What did they say? Are the dead guys cartel guys? Any messages left behind? Any clues to the killers? It would be good to have some understanding of what's happening.

Bruce R Leech - 10-2-2008 at 07:47 AM

they will have more info latter. there wer also some other bodys found in other locations but that is just the normal daily drug deals gone bad.

k-rico - 10-2-2008 at 07:53 AM

It appears that this is gang warfare. I've had the crazy idea that if so there's no reason to stop it, even thought that maybe it's the cops/army doing the killing. Pest control if you will.

Bruce R Leech - 10-2-2008 at 08:00 AM

agreed let them kill each other off:lol:

CaboRon - 10-2-2008 at 08:01 AM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
this is getting to be a daily thing, we get up in the morning and turn on the T.V. to get the body count for the day.:o


Yea, it reminds me of early seventies when there would be an official body count on the news each day.

CaboRon

I think it is 9 now...

Shark18 - 10-2-2008 at 09:03 AM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
this is getting to be a daily thing, we get up in the morning and turn on the T.V. to get the body count for the day.:o


One sarcastic commenter in one of the daily TJ newspapers wrote, "Instead of telling us how many bodies are found each morning, why don't they just tell us how many are left alive?"

:rolleyes:

elgatoloco - 10-2-2008 at 09:53 AM

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20081002-0...

Bruce R Leech - 10-2-2008 at 10:11 AM

there more killed this week in TJ than Iraq:no:


would you vacation in Iraq?:?:

[Edited on 10-2-2008 by Bruce R Leech]

Unfortunately...

Dave - 10-2-2008 at 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
there more killed this week in TJ than Iraq:no:


would you vacation in Iraq?:?:



Few are following your logic. If they were, the border would be deserted. But it still takes 45m-1hr + to cross. They're gonna have to start killing more and at a faster rate.

Until I declare, "mission accomplished." :rolleyes:

Woooosh - 10-2-2008 at 11:35 AM

I'm more concerned with the last part of the article that says two businessmen were kidnapped as well. The "blue barrels" supposedly containing human remains in acid were left outside the TJ restaurant of a man who was kidnapped and released last year (for $200K).

IMHO, The danger for us gringos in the border area isn't the drug gangs interfighting and subsequent body count... it's the kidnappings that finance their actions while drug flow and that income stream is compromised for them.

Correct

Dave - 10-2-2008 at 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
IMHO, The danger for us gringos in the border area isn't the drug gangs interfighting and subsequent body count... it's the kidnappings that finance their actions while drug flow and that income stream is compromised for them.


However, most, if not all of the kidnappings don't involve ex-pats. If/when this changes most gringos will run for the border.

805gregg - 10-2-2008 at 12:05 PM

Eight more bodies and what another 3 million to go.

Shark18 - 10-2-2008 at 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by Dave
However, most, if not all of the kidnappings don't involve ex-pats. If/when this changes most gringos will run for the border.


It's only a matter of time before the kidnapping gangs figure out that the local immigration offices have the FM3/2 records of all the gringos, which not only show their addresses, but how much money they have. It would only take a bribe of maybe $1,000 to get an immigration official to give them all the info they need on 100,000 fat targets.

Those old security guards in all the "secure" complexes can be had for a few bucks, or else just shot on the way in.

Of course, the downside for them is that the FBI would get involved, even if it is in Mexico. But those sicarios are huevon, they probably don't even care.

You're kidding, right?

Dave - 10-2-2008 at 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by Shark18
[Of course, the downside for them is that the FBI would get involved, even if it is in Mexico.


U.S. authorities don't give a rat's a$$ about expats. I've had 'em tell me direct. ;D

TonyC - 10-2-2008 at 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by Shark18
Quote:
Originally posted by Dave
However, most, if not all of the kidnappings don't involve ex-pats. If/when this changes most gringos will run for the border.


It's only a matter of time before the kidnapping gangs figure out that the local immigration offices have the FM3/2 records of all the gringos, which not only show their addresses, but how much money they have. It would only take a bribe of maybe $1,000 to get an immigration official to give them all the info they need on 100,000 fat targets.


Great..... why couldn't you keep that thought to yourself. Nothing like a bit of business advice for the kidnapping gangs. Do you have a FM3/2?

Shark18 - 10-2-2008 at 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by TonyC
[Great..... why couldn't you keep that thought to yourself. Nothing like a bit of business advice for the kidnapping gangs. Do you have a FM3/2?


Used to have an FM3. But the only address on it was my US address. Here's a bit of advice. Never give the Mexicans any more information that you have to. If you get your FM3 at one of their US consulates, like San Diego, the only address they'll have is your US address. When you cross the border, get the FM3 stamped, then it is valid. It is good for a year. There is no reason to go to immigration in Mexico and register an address. Just renew the FM3 at the Mexican consulate each year. If anybody asks, just tell them:

"I just stay with friends"
"I just live in my motorhome"
"I just camp and check-in to a hotel every once in awhile."
"I'm still looking for a place to stay"

You get the idea. There is no law that says you have to have some fixed address in Mexico with a FM3. A FM2 is a different story.

Relax Tony

Dave - 10-2-2008 at 01:39 PM

The kidnappers don't read this board... Just the immigration authorities. :lol:

Besides, criminals don't need migra's records to know where the gringos live. :rolleyes:

vandenberg - 10-2-2008 at 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by Shark18
Quote:
Originally posted by TonyC
[Great..... why couldn't you keep that thought to yourself. Nothing like a bit of business advice for the kidnapping gangs. Do you have a FM3/2?


Used to have an FM3. But the only address on it was my US address. Here's a bit of advice. Never give the Mexicans any more information that you have to. If you get your FM3 at one of their US consulates, like San Diego, the only address they'll have is your US address. When you cross the border, get the FM3 stamped, then it is valid. It is good for a year. There is no reason to go to immigration in Mexico and register an address. Just renew the FM3 at the Mexican consulate each year. If anybody asks, just tell them:

"I just stay with friends"
"I just live in my motorhome"
"I just camp and check-in to a hotel every once in awhile."
"I'm still looking for a place to stay"

You get the idea. There is no law that says you have to have some fixed address in Mexico with a FM3. A FM2 is a different story.

I see you're spouting your valuable advice on another thread.
Better look after all your valuables up north there, and do us a favor and please find that hole you slithered out off and get back in.
Chop, chop,
That a good girl.

Dave - 10-2-2008 at 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by Shark18
There is no law that says you have to have some fixed address in Mexico with a FM3. A FM2 is a different story.


I don't know if there's an official law but it IS a requirement. Your FM3/2 is tied to an address. Migra wants to know where you live.

In case they need to come and get you. :rolleyes:

Shark18 - 10-2-2008 at 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by vandenberg
I see you're spouting your valuable advice on another thread.
Better look after all your valuables up north there, and do us a favor and please find that hole you slithered out off and get back in.
Chop, chop,
That a good girl.


I see Oxxo let you post something. Did you do any special favors for him last night?

TonyC - 10-2-2008 at 06:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dave
The kidnappers don't read this board... Just the immigration authorities. :lol:

Besides, criminals don't need migra's records to know where the gringos live. :rolleyes:


Thanks Dave. Just had a few pacificos, and am now in a happy place. Should have stuck to my trip report replies only.

tjBill - 10-3-2008 at 11:52 PM

Eight more bodies were found today. That brings this week's total to 44.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20081003-1...

Last year had to furnish copy of lease and address--

beercan - 10-4-2008 at 09:37 AM

This year "they" said additional information on the landlord was required ?? Go figure for an FM3.
Quote:
By Sharks
You get the idea. There is no law that says you have to have some fixed address in Mexico with a FM3. A FM2 is a different story.

Cajones - 10-4-2008 at 09:46 AM

It's up to 47 bodies in 6 days. The mayor of Tijuana, Jorge Ramos, said the situtation was "delicate". Does that man have a way with words, or what?
:lol:

By the way, two people were shot up last night at a little taco stand right on the main drag in Rosarito.

toneart - 10-4-2008 at 09:53 AM

Regarding FM3 info:

You can only get the first one from a Mexican Consulate in the U.S. and it is good for one year. Renewals have to be done in Mexico.

Not only that, but you have to register your address with your local Migra within 10 days of arrival.

Local Migra also wants to be the issuing body.

Yes, they have entered the computer age. Compliance is mandatory. To not comply= deportation.

Cajones - 10-4-2008 at 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by toneart
Not only that, but you have to register your address with your local Migra within 10 days of arrival.


It's 30 days. It is in the regulations for Inscripción en el Registro Nacional de Extranjeros.

http://www.inami.gob.mx/index.php?page/PERMANECER_MXICO_OBTE...

tjBill - 10-4-2008 at 05:05 PM

The body count is now up to 49, according to the San Diego Union-Tribune.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20081004-1...

CaboRon - 10-4-2008 at 09:15 PM

This link takes the body count to fifty ...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081005/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_mex...

CaboRon

Reminds me of a familiar song from my youth..

Ken Cooke - 10-4-2008 at 10:10 PM

Lyrics to Jus Lyke Compton :

Finally out the mother%u!kin C-P-T
Off to other cities and $h!t
No longer just an underground hit
Movin thangs... a local figga made good
And made a name off of making tapes for figgaz in the hood
And now, let me tell a little story
About the places that I been to and the $h!t that I been through
Like fightin and shootouts and bangin and $h!t
All because a figga made a hit, check it
Nineteen-ninety-one, it was double or nothin that a figga would hit
Then we broke out with the fonky $h!t
About bxxches and figgaz and gettin drunken off that bud
I was doing the $h!t they hadn't heard of
But foolish was I to think that it wasn't no other cities like this
And that they didn't like this
That Compton was the home of a foot in yo @$$
Where you got blast
And now that's just a thing of the past
Let me tell ya why firsthand, we did a show up in Oak-land
And figgaz was kickin up sand, to them bangin ain't nothin new
And slangin ain't nothin new
And for every figga we done shot
They done shot two
Straight through and on since the sixties before I was born
Families of young figgaz mourn
So I'm just letting you know
That if ya plan to take a trip to the bay
Keep your hand on the clip

Becaue Oakland...
Yeah, I'm telling y'all Oakland...

Moving on to St. Louis, where the country is fxxxed
With gold teeth in they mouth, but they still know what's up
Where it's hot as a motherfxxxer
Hot enough to make ya cuss
That's why I kept my burro on the bus
But later on, whenit cooled off we came down
and met a couple of friends
Who put us up on the St. Louis cap
The Smith Center, with Big Bob, Little Steve, Tojo, Biss and Rich
and a couple of b-tches
Then they took us to a man named Gus in a store
He put me down with a herringbone and shoes galore
That's when I started thinking that this wasn't like home
But then they had to prove me wrong
Cuz later that night after we did the show
We went back to the afterset, and wouldn't ya know
Yeah, Bloods and Crips start scrappin and shootin -- in Missouri?
Damn, how could this happen?

Now St. Louis...
Yeah y'all, St. Louis...