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This just in from down Baja Sur

Baja Bernie - 10-31-2008 at 06:48 PM

HOLA BERNIE...HERE IS A PARTIAL MESSAGE I GOT FROM DOWN MEXICO WAY. THIS IS THE LITTLE VILLAGE OVER BY THE PUNTA COLARADA HOTEL. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE MARINA PROJECT THEY WERE PUTTING UP THE LAND FOR OR NOT BUT I THINK IT IS.

Last Tuesday went to the GRAND OPENING of CABO RIVIERA in La
Rivera. What a SHOW they put on. They pulled out all the stops....A
fortune was spent on this event. The booze FLOWED and food everywhere. That
evening they had CLARENCE CREDWATER REVIVAL. They actually built a
temporary amphitheater and there were 1,500 people watching it. It ended with a HUGE
fireworks show. They have great gifts of canvas bags with a wonderful beach sheet and cap. It was set up beautifully. They have been working on the grounds. They are putting in all of the canals now.
This will be the FIRST development in ALL of Mexico where you will be able to have your home built on a canal and you can have a boat up to 75 feet long. There is a huge marina, too. There will be a large shopping area that will be open to the public and two MAJOR hotels.

One is the MANDRIN and they will be starting to build shortly. There is a beach club, golf club and there will be NO homes built around the golf course. There will be two area that will have condos. They have the model and it looks fantastic. It they pull this off it will boost business in LaRivera.

Could this be or is it just for a laugh????

bajabound2005 - 10-31-2008 at 07:19 PM

CLARENCE CREDWATER? How 'bout Creedence Clearwater? Wonder who Tiger will have at the grand opening of "Punta Brava."

Pescador - 10-31-2008 at 08:38 PM

It must be hard from someone of Osprey's sensitivity to be objective and unbiased with the destruction and almost complete obliteration of a culture and way of life that comes with the development and commercialization of an area that was, at one point, so beautiful and complete that you found it hard to believe that you had the rare privelege of experiencing that life and time only to see it head down the same road of extinction and decay that is displayed in the developed areas of the baja peninsula. It is unfortunate that Bernie, who also shows a lot of sensitivity to the beauty of the Baja lifestyle, inadvertently rubbed some salt in the wound of Osprey, albeit in an unsuspecting and innocent manner and then Hook would probably not completely understand the issue at play here as his choice of paradise is the crowded and developed area of San Carlos, Sonora.

rogbag - 10-31-2008 at 08:56 PM

"Cabo Riviera is the only Marina in Baja that can offer property where owners will be able to tie their boats right in front of their home. This saves our owners a small fortune in slip fees and the convenience of having your boat right in your backyard. There are close to 400 water front lots for sale and NOW is the time to get in on the ground level to receive the BEST DISCOUNTS and the LOWEST PRICES. Along with receiving specials on the lot, you will receive 50% off golf fees for yourself, children and grandchildren for life. A 25% discount off dry dock, boat storage, and the ability to choose your architect, builder and home design (in accordance with "CABO RIVIERA CC&R'S" guidelines to assure harmony and quality design & construction within the resort) with no time restrictions.

Cabo Riviera properties are offered at 35% down payment with three different payment plans and additional discounts available on the balance.
A) 20% discount on the 65% balance if paid in full within 60 days of contract.
B) 10% discount on the 65% balance if paid in 36 equal monthly installments.
C) Financed 5 years @ 3% over U.S. prime rate (no discount)

Payment commencing within 60 days of contract

This offer has been extended until October 20th, 2008. For further information, pricing, available lots, and pictures, please contact me, and I will get back to you promptly.

Would you prefer to have a view of the Pete Dye signature Golf course? Pete Dye has been voted by Business Week and Golf Digest as one of the Premier Golf course architects of all time, landing nine designs on Golf Digests's list of America's 100 Greatest courses. Lots starting at $276,000.00"

Above is the email message I got regarding Cabo Riviera development. I got an invite to the party, which was rescinded, and then extended again. I left Los Barriles on the 15th, so missed the party. Was a little too pricey for me anyway.

bajabound2005 - 10-31-2008 at 09:24 PM

Only until Oct 20th? Darn, we're too late!

vandenberg - 10-31-2008 at 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rogbag
"Cabo Riviera is the only Marina in Baja that can offer property where owners will be able to tie their boats right in front of their home. This saves our owners a small fortune in slip fees and the convenience of having your boat right in your backyard. There are close to 400 water front lots for sale and NOW is the time to get in on the ground level to receive the BEST DISCOUNTS and the LOWEST PRICES. Along with receiving specials on the lot, you will receive 50% off golf fees for yourself, children and grandchildren for life. A 25% discount off dry dock, boat storage, and the ability to choose your architect, builder and home design (in accordance with "CABO RIVIERA CC&R'S" guidelines to assure harmony and quality design & construction within the resort) with no time restrictions.

Cabo Riviera properties are offered at 35% down payment with three different payment plans and additional discounts available on the balance.
A) 20% discount on the 65% balance if paid in full within 60 days of contract.
B) 10% discount on the 65% balance if paid in 36 equal monthly installments.
C) Financed 5 years @ 3% over U.S. prime rate (no discount)

Payment commencing within 60 days of contract

This offer has been extended until October 20th, 2008. For further information, pricing, available lots, and pictures, please contact me, and I will get back to you promptly.

Would you prefer to have a view of the Pete Dye signature Golf course? Pete Dye has been voted by Business Week and Golf Digest as one of the Premier Golf course architects of all time, landing nine designs on Golf Digests's list of America's 100 Greatest courses. Lots starting at $276,000.00"

Above is the email message I got regarding Cabo Riviera development. I got an invite to the party, which was rescinded, and then extended again. I left Los Barriles on the 15th, so missed the party. Was a little too pricey for me anyway.

rogbag - 10-31-2008 at 10:07 PM

Once they hire the Vandenberg flying pig squadron as the entertainment, Cabo Riviera will be taking off faster than an F-18 on full burner.
It's either the flying pigs, or monkeys in jockey outfits riding on dogs - I love those.

What is really scary is that they are about to get an infusion of highly motivated, very glib, and extremely persuasive salesmen from the mortgage banker environs in the states.
I think I just bought two condos on the beach in San Ignacio....or maybe Tecate....

duke62 - 10-31-2008 at 10:45 PM

I tend to sympatize w/ Osprey (only because that is my favorite bird

), but, I would like to hear from Baja Bernie.

Perhaps a relative stole his computer to market this property. Or, perhaps, his computer was hacked by would-be Baja developers who have cracked the Baja Nomad security system, and posted in his name? Pues, una Chupacabra? It could happen. (By the way, the brewery in Mexicali has a great Tall Boy (Well, large bottle), called Chupacabra Ale. Muy Tasty.

Pero, Bernie, Hmmmmmn... Inquiring minds want to know. :?:

Peace, Love , y Tacos de Pez.

Osprey - 11-1-2008 at 06:50 AM

Maybe when it comes to me Bernie is a wound/salt guy, who knows. But on the subject of the project: nothing I could say on this board about the project would add one more potential buyer or disuade one. About the party: there is a rumor going around that they spent 900K on the party. All the invitees I talked to said "it was the best party they ever attended, anywhere." Another rumor is that the party was to show the marina hotel anchor, the toney Mandarin Oriental Hotel Group, they had lots of dough and class to match. The builder, Groupo Mar, were patent land pimps on the other 8 year old plus development near here called Lighthouse Point Estates so this new cash and class is a pleasant change/diversion with them, at least in my mind. Hard for us to be for or against such powerful developers. We are just witnesses.
Here's a great video of what they think the project will look like when complete: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiH_R1x-BCI

Normally I wouldn't go into this much Southland news for you because Baja Nomad members are 90 plus % naturally interested in things northern, where they live, work, play, travel but the chatter told me you may have wanted more info. Indulge me.

Hook - 11-1-2008 at 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pescador
It must be hard from someone of Osprey's sensitivity to be objective and unbiased with the destruction and almost complete obliteration of a culture and way of life that comes with the development and commercialization of an area that was, at one point, so beautiful and complete that you found it hard to believe that you had the rare privelege of experiencing that life and time only to see it head down the same road of extinction and decay that is displayed in the developed areas of the baja peninsula. It is unfortunate that Bernie, who also shows a lot of sensitivity to the beauty of the Baja lifestyle, inadvertently rubbed some salt in the wound of Osprey, albeit in an unsuspecting and innocent manner and then Hook would probably not completely understand the issue at play here as his choice of paradise is the crowded and developed area of San Carlos, Sonora.

I can accept all you state here (though San Carlos is less developed than Loveland, if we're comparing "paradise quotients" on an annual basis, Jim), but to shoot the messenger?

I repeat my question...........just what is the crime in revealing an email about a purported event in Baja? He even stipulated it was from a second source; didn't claim it as his own and didn't vouch for it's veracity.

What's TRULY unfortunate is that a writer of great caliber would attempt to stem the free flow of information on a forum.........exactly the antithesis of what a forum and WRITING is about. And that others would support him in the name of their own moralistic view of development in Baja.

Osprey's public punishment doesn't fit the "crime" in this case, IMO.

Bob and Susan - 11-1-2008 at 06:59 AM

i liked the music...

Osprey - 11-1-2008 at 07:05 AM

It fits the criminal intent, not the criminal.

Hook - 11-1-2008 at 07:08 AM

So, you've concluded what Bernie's intent is, from the post? Care to share that with us?

Hey! Don’t really know what inquiring minds wish to know…

Baja Bernie - 11-1-2008 at 07:09 AM

All I know is that I sorta like Baja but I don’t really claim to know her…after all I have only known the lady for a few days….about 45 years worth. Every time I begin to get comfortable with her and the folks who live there someone takes offense at something I say. For those of you who have read any of the four books I have written about my Lady Baja and the people who are her heart I end up learning that I know even less than I ‘thought’ I did every time I turn around and I do a lot of spinning when I am with her.

So! Heck! I got that little piece (peace) from a good fishing buddy of that sensitive old bird who challenged my title. Shucks! It has been so long since I last posted here that I had almost forgotten I even had it.

So sorry if I ruffled anyone’s feathers………..I guess I was mistaken when I thought it was just way to funny to be true…

I’ll be down to Norte for a week over Thanksgiving and then I’ll be in the East Cape for a week or so shortly after the new year.

Osprey is correct about one thing I have not been spending nearly as much time with my Lady since I sold my home in La Salina…only got to keep the damn thing for 26 fun filled years.

I do want you all to know that I am working very hard to see that my income fails to keep up with my needs…as I know it already has for a few souls who feel stuck in Baja Sur. (I know that was NOT a sensitive thing to say…But, then I need to take a shot every now and then…just like a few others)

Hope that answers the question….

Oops! As far as being a correspondent…well that is up to the guy who runs this place ‘cause he is the one who saw fit to give it to me.

Baja Bernie

Osprey - 11-1-2008 at 07:16 AM

No, Hook, Bernie and I have some history but it's private. Leave it alone.

Hook - 11-1-2008 at 07:26 AM

OK, then.

Private might have been the way to handle it all along.

Peace, love and fish tacos to all...................

capt. mike - 11-1-2008 at 07:33 AM

Hook is right. The fish eagle picking on Bernie over this is a classless and tasteless act of asperity. Who died and made him the arbitor of what passes here as tidbits of interest for any who care to read?

there was no plaudit in Bernie's forwarding of this info. People always are adding news they hear to this forum. Big deal. so you have to attack a nice old guy over it? Bernie has never attacked anyone on this forum i can recall.

The whiner's rebuke is execrable.

Osprey - 11-1-2008 at 07:35 AM

Wow, you drove all the way to the library just to get that message just right! What a guy.

capt. mike - 11-1-2008 at 07:44 AM

no....but you likely needed you dictionary to decipher it. :lol:

capt. mike - 11-1-2008 at 09:11 AM

just watched the promo video. glitzy like they all are.
anyone know if this one is different from the Cabo Cortes resort, east cape, spelled with an "S" not Z. (Is that the Spain based development co.'s influence?)

too bad the chick is facing the wrong way. :bounce:

a Q for anyone - when they show the live scenes of canals and yachts - where is that taken? Florida some place? :wow:

cbuzzetti - 11-1-2008 at 10:42 AM

I will be at Hotel Punta Colorada next week for 8 days of fishing/playing.

Anyone know if this new developement is north or South of the hotel?
How far?

I will go check it out and take some pics if close enough to get to on a quad.

Bajabuzz

Osprey - 11-1-2008 at 10:51 AM

Cabo Cortes is east of the Punta Arena lighthouse close to the resort Punta Colorado. It is huge, is a development of GRE/Hansa -- marina, hotels, 6000 houses, etc, etc. -- 7 miles of beach, so far NO BEACH ACCESS -- that is, it is all fenced off so no access for non-owners.

Cabo Riviera is right in front of La Ribera which is west of Punta Colorado

[Edited on 11-1-2008 by Osprey]

akbear - 11-1-2008 at 10:56 AM

Baja Buzz,

You will drive right by it on the beach road to P Colorada from La Ribera. It is North of P Colorada towards La Ribera.

akbear

thx for the clarification

capt. mike - 11-1-2008 at 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Osprey
Cabo Cortes is east of the Punta Arena lighthouse close to the resort Punta Colorado. It is huge, is a development of GRE/Hansa -- marina, hotels, 6000 houses, etc, etc. -- 7 miles of beach, so far NO BEACH ACCESS -- that is, it is all fenced off so no access for non-owners.

Cabo Riviera is right in front of La Ribera which is west of Punta Colorado

[Edited on 11-1-2008 by Osprey]

i wish i could afford to buy at either one of them!
i do not doubt that most of the east cape will eventually be developed much like San Jose has. But that it will peak after my demise, which currently is scheduled around 2038 according to the latest actuarials used to quote my term insurance!! :biggrin:

vandenberg - 11-1-2008 at 11:14 AM

Quote:

But that it will peak after my demise, which currently is scheduled around 2038 according to the latest actuarials used to quote my term insurance!! :biggrin:

Mike,
Do they know your habits ?
Looking at your pictures, wouldn't that be rather optimistic. :no:

windgrrl - 11-1-2008 at 11:19 AM

Just what the place needs - more golf and gas-powered fun.
http://www.bajabeachinvestments.com/Cabo_Riviera_Marina/page...

Human progress is predictable and inevitable. Adjusting will requires embracing these changes, ignoring them or abandoning the area.

I had one thought I would spend the rest of my days here, but am looking for a new piece of heaven.

mulegemichael - 11-1-2008 at 11:30 AM

windgirl, i too lived in quaint little la ribera for years but moved recently to mulege and am REALLY glad i did!...it looks as tho this will remain a quiet, mexicana village for some time to come...unlike la ribera...too, too bad...

capt. mike - 11-1-2008 at 11:35 AM

Mike,
Do they know your habits ?
Looking at your pictures, wouldn't that be rather optimistic.

its all about the genes my friend....paternal grandparents well into the 90s. ate the wrong foods, were overweight. I like my current odds. Like Willie said, there's a lot more old drunks than old doctors so i guess i'll have another round... :spingrin:

HCR - 11-1-2008 at 02:22 PM

As world markets slide and may very well crash, there may be few buyers for such opulence, which in the end may be a good thing, or not.

Cypress - 11-1-2008 at 02:29 PM

This whole string of posts brings to mind the word "silly". :lol:

Udo - 11-1-2008 at 02:55 PM

When I first read the post (by Bajabernie), I failed to read whom it was written by, and, because of the area mentioned I though it was by my buddy Osprey.
Then all this udder stuff come down, and since Osprey lives in the area and probably looks at the proposed development on a regular basis, I feel he is most qualified to discuss it's development or lack-of.

Just my two centavos while I wait for the SC game.

Hook - 11-1-2008 at 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by udowinkler
When I first read the post (by Bajabernie), I failed to read whom it was written by, and, because of the area mentioned I though it was by my buddy Osprey.
Then all this udder stuff come down, and since Osprey lives in the area and probably looks at the proposed development on a regular basis, I feel he is most qualified to discuss it's development or lack-of.

Just my two centavos while I wait for the SC game.

Agree completely.

Didnt realize till later that the fireworks at the beginning had little to do with the development, really.

The merits of the project really need to be discussed in a separate thread, at this point. This one is tainted, IMO.

Udo - 11-1-2008 at 04:23 PM

Agreed, Hook!

Osprey - 11-1-2008 at 04:30 PM

Poisoned. By me. My bad. My apologies to the forum.

Hook - 11-1-2008 at 05:16 PM

But you can be the antidote, Osprey.

Become the correspondent on this issue yourself, if you are willing. Keep us abreast of how the developers are selling the project locally and what they are doing.

I say this not knowing exactly how close you are, geographically, to the site.

Diver - 11-1-2008 at 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hook
I say this not knowing exactly how close you are, geographically, to the site.

Mr and Mrs Osprey have a very nice Baja house with a lovely patio filled with beautiful landscaping. The view from this wonderful patio is of the beautiful beach and waterfront.
There is nothing of consequence built between Osprey's casa and the shore - for now; but this is exactly where they are planning the project, in his face.

In a quaint town of dirt roads and sometimes services, the development would bring increased traffic from construction and sales, additional strain on services and more; possibly on a par with LB.

When I stopped in La Ribera for an unannounced visit, the first place I asked for his whereabouts, everyone knew him and one fellow offered to lead the way. Osprey has lived in this little town long enough to be a part of the place, it is his place.
.

BajaGringo - 11-1-2008 at 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Diver
Mr and Mrs Osprey have a very nice Baja house with a lovely patio filled with beautiful landscaping. The view from this wonderful patio is of the beautiful beach and waterfront.
There is nothing of consequence built between Osprey's casa and the shore - for now; but this is exactly where they are planning the project, in his face.

When you buy property with land in between you and your view you always run the risk of one day losing that view, no matter how remote your property or promises made. I learned that hard lesson myself many years ago. We all would like to have some slice of earth with a view to keep just for ourselves but unfortunately those "slices" become smaller and smaller and begin to run out over time...

Osprey - 11-2-2008 at 06:32 AM

In my case it was worth it. The house/lot was only $25,000, the view has lasted 14 years (the good ones that get closer to when I take the dirt nap) and I never imagined the little village would not grow. I knew, sooner or later I would lose my precious vista but things conspired to hold back the development of the town -- realty/realtor problems, the growth and popularity of Cabo and SJDC and La Paz, the north winds, the economy, fear of crime, etc. etc. Now, because I'm high on a bluff, my view will be of the whole marina. The value of the lot should go to about $300,000 dollars (neighbor's are listed from 500K to 800K). Not a big deal for me because I would rather have the tranquility than the money. My fear was and is that this group, like Fonatur, might not finish what they begin. Global and U.S. changes for the worst could be the culprit this time, not boondoggle, land pimping or mis planning. I live right in the middle of all these changes and as they happen I'll be glad to report to the board as I do now to a host of interested local gringo property owner. (Thanks Diver and Hook)

[Edited on 11-2-2008 by Osprey]

Toneart

Baja Bernie - 11-5-2008 at 07:33 PM

Thanks.....Been gone spending my ill gotten gains & getting to know my new Lady....Jaime...a world class fisherman...1102 lb Black Marlin...oh! sure she caught me on a ten pound test line....I'm easy and she is so good.

David K - 11-6-2008 at 08:23 AM

You finally learning how to fish, Bernie?

We could use some more of your stories here!

Good to see you posting! :bounce:

toneart - 11-6-2008 at 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Baja Bernie
Thanks.....Been gone spending my ill gotten gains & getting to know my new Lady....Jaime...a world class fisherman...1102 lb Black Marlin...oh! sure she caught me on a ten pound test line....I'm easy and she is so good.

That's a reel good story, Bernie. Congratulations! Let's hear more lines outta you. :yes:

As you can see, I'm not above making awful puns. In fact, I'm probably a cut below good taste. :lol:

[Edited on 11-6-2008 by toneart]

thebajarunner - 11-6-2008 at 03:56 PM

Right on Bernie....

where have you been hiding??

:smug: