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Ak-47 gunfire and a dead body by my house in Rosarito... not good

Woooosh - 12-12-2008 at 10:03 AM

The police are still here- everywhere.

At about 8am I heard the rapid AK-47 gunfire. I didn't see the victim or the shooter. It was about 20 rapid shots- very loud- echoing off the buildings. A group of surfers were changing into wetsuits in front of my house and that 's the first clue I had that this was very very close. They dove over the seawall and ran for cover- they left their stuff, car doors open and everything. They just ran. They saw the body laying in the street in front of my neighbors door- I couldn't see it as it was around the side entrance. My neighbor is scared to death. He opened his door to see the body laying at his doorstep before any police were on the scene. He ran to our house in case the gunmen came back. No one even went near the house or body- including us. First aid is out of the question I guess- no point being next if they come back to finish him off.

If this country is going to survive- it better do something soon.

[Edited on 12-12-2008 by Woooosh]

David K - 12-12-2008 at 10:09 AM

RUN FORREST RUN!:o

Be safe and get the heck away!!

woody with a view - 12-12-2008 at 10:11 AM

what part of town is this?

the paper said this morning that a high up police commander was found dead in his vehicle on the toll road in the northern part of Rosey-rita. also, two more headless bodies on the road from tecate to mexicali.....

:no:

Woooosh - 12-12-2008 at 10:19 AM

This is downtown Rosarito Beach- Paseo del Mar. About halfway between the power plant and downtown Rosarito.

The body is still there. He must have been on foot.

It was amazing how quiet it was after the shooting. Not a scream, not a dog bark- nothing for about 10 minutes when the police convoy came. We just watched from our veranda and balcony. It was surreal.


[Edited on 12-12-2008 by Woooosh]

[Edited on 12-12-2008 by Woooosh]

DENNIS - 12-12-2008 at 10:23 AM

Life on the front lines. How nice. Ernie Pyle could have forged a career in Rosarito.

From KPBS - San Diego

k-rico - 12-12-2008 at 10:23 AM

"The Arellano Felix Cartel’s geography in Tijuana has shifted. Looking at the quantity of killings in the city’s east and to the south in Rosarito, you see where the cartel’s strongholds are.

Historically, some of the most violent episodes of the drug war were concentrated in Tijuana’s upper-middle and upper class neighborhoods in the city’s center. However, with this most recent wave of violence we see that Tijuana’s east and Rosarito are the hot zones.

The number of deaths in middle and working class areas of Tijuana illustrate the city’s drug consumption problem. Part of “El Teo’s” strategy to take over drug trafficking in Tijuana, has been to kill neighborhood drug dealers who work for the Arellano Felix Cartel. By plotting these deaths, the map shows how pervasive drug dealing has become in these areas and, therefore, how prevalent consumption is.

The map helps track the unprecedented brutality of this battle in the drug war. By keeping count of people who’ve been decapitated; dissolved in acid; minors caught up in the violence and police killed we see that cartels have reached a new level of gruesomeness and disregard for life.

Tourists apparently are not targets in this drug war. Looking at the map, tourist areas are not hot spots.

A look at victims’ ages shows an important percentage are thirty and under. Dozens of the dead were still in their teens. Also, many people police have detained in this recent wave of violence, and who police accuse of being important players in the drug trade, are also young."

http://www.kpbs.org/static/2008/border_battle/map.html

[Edited on 12-12-2008 by k-rico]

ELINVESTIG8R - 12-12-2008 at 10:24 AM

http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Noticias/12122...

Loose Translation:

ROSARITO, Baja California (PH)

A young man was gunned down for about half an hour in the center of the town of Rosarito.

According to initial reports it was a man between 20 and 25 years old, who was on the street Villa de las Fuentes of the municipality.

According to witnesses, a group of armed persons on board a gray vehicle pickup opened fire on this person.

At the site were found some 25 shell casings from a weapon known as "Cuerno de Chivo"

Municipal Police officers, as well as the Ministerial are guarding the area.

Relatives of the victim and arrived at the scene and it is expected that in a few more minutes to identify the victim.

Note Published: 12/12/2008 09:14

Accompanying photo:


[Edited on 12-12-2008 by ELINVESTI8]

Dave - 12-12-2008 at 10:24 AM

How many hours did it take for the police to show up? :rolleyes:

Woooosh - 12-12-2008 at 10:36 AM

Well- The police JUST came to the door.

They had a closeup of the face of the victim to show me on their digital camera. We recognized him as a young man who used to run every morning on the beach. We didn't know his name.

[Edited on 12-12-2008 by Woooosh]

Woooosh - 12-12-2008 at 10:39 AM

I'm going to go back and edit my posts- based on a U2U from a helpful nomad. Sorry about the mess on the thread.

[Edited on 12-12-2008 by Woooosh]

Woooosh - 12-12-2008 at 10:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Noticias/12122...

Loose Translation:

ROSARITO, Baja California (PH)

A young man was gunned down for about half an hour in the center of the town of Rosarito.

According to initial reports it was a man between 20 and 25 years old, who was on the street Villa de las Fuentes of the municipality.

According to witnesses, a group of armed persons on board a gray vehicle pickup opened fire on this person.

At the site were found some 25 shell casings from a weapon known as "Cuerno de Chivo"

Municipal Police officers, as well as the Ministerial are guarding the area.

Relatives of the victim and arrived at the scene and it is expected that in a few more minutes to identify the victim.

Note Published: 12/12/2008 09:14



Yup- that's the shooting near my house!

Barry A. - 12-12-2008 at 10:47 AM

If citizens/witnesses don't aggressively cooperate, both with the Police and with each other, then the Police are almost helpless---------citizen cooperation is the paramount tool the Police have. As long as the citizenry don't take a stand and help the Police and each other, then the situation will just get worse and worse, in my opinion.

What a trajedy!!!!

Barry

Dave - 12-12-2008 at 10:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
They had a closeup of the face of the victim to show me on their digital camera. We recognized him as a young man who used to run every morning on the beach. We didn't know his name.


I've often fantasized about shooting one of them health nuts. Guess someone beat me to it.

And more good news:

The surfers probably won't be back.

gnukid - 12-12-2008 at 11:04 AM

Whoosh I am sorry this happened.

When I am aware of crime, I know that we can easily find the culprits due to the geography in Baja. There is no place to go and hide. Its not at all hard to follow tracks, to find a vehicle in order to find the perpetrators though in this case as in so many others no one wants to find the culprits, no one is going to look and no one is going to pursue it.

They are not after you.

So...

I encourage you to take the opportunity to go visit some friends away elsewhere for a vacation. Perhaps when you return things will have changed... either way its time for break from the action, no?

DENNIS - 12-12-2008 at 11:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
If citizens/witnesses don't aggressively cooperate, both with the Police and with each other, then the Police are almost helpless---------citizen cooperation is the paramount tool the Police have. As long as the citizenry don't take a stand and help the Police and each other, then the situation will just get worse and worse, in my opinion.

What a trajedy!!!!

Barry


I agree, Barry. Unfortunatly, we can't understand the distrust Mexican citizens have for the police. To most of them, it's incomprehensible to confide in the law. They never know who they're talking to.
I admire your mindset on this issue although I think it was formed in a different place with your law enforcement background.
Thanks.

LancairDriver - 12-12-2008 at 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by Dave
Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
They had a closeup of the face of the victim to show me on their digital camera. We recognized him as a young man who used to run every morning on the beach. We didn't know his name.


I've often fantasized about shooting one of them health nuts. Guess someone beat me to it.

And more good news:

The surfers probably won't be back.

LancairDriver - 12-12-2008 at 12:11 PM

Careful- Someone may have the same fantasies regarding sedentary old goats.

DENNIS - 12-12-2008 at 12:14 PM

It's hard to believe that this was a random act.

Nah...

Dave - 12-12-2008 at 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by LancairDriver
Careful- Someone may have the same fantasies regarding sedentary old goats.


Not worried.

I'm too gamey.

Woooosh - 12-12-2008 at 12:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
If citizens/witnesses don't aggressively cooperate, both with the Police and with each other, then the Police are almost helpless---------citizen cooperation is the paramount tool the Police have. As long as the citizenry don't take a stand and help the Police and each other, then the situation will just get worse and worse, in my opinion.

What a trajedy!!!!

Barry


The tragedy is that only 4% of the police are clean enough to trust. How do I kow if I'm giving helpful info to the "bad guys" and not he "good guys". Truth is, no one knows who is clean enough to trust- so no one talks. I know two people by name that were closer to this shooting than I was and both said to the police they saw nothing.

Iflyfish - 12-12-2008 at 01:07 PM

I am sorry to hear that this war has come to your neighborhood, horrible. This sort of thing is highly traumatic and it is important for people to tell their stories and be heard.

This is a terrible thing to experience and no doubt you and all of your neighbors will be affected by this for a long time. Listening to each other tell their stories is useful for every ones healing. Our good thoughts and wishes are with you amigo. God bless the children who are exposed to this sort of thing, they have few defenses against the horror of it. We all must do what we can to respectfully listen to these stories and be part of the solution to the trauma. Listening helps. This we can and must do.

Iflyfish

fdt - 12-12-2008 at 01:08 PM

Woooosh - 12-12-2008 at 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by fdt


All the kind words are nice, thanks. But don't feel bad for me or my neighbors- we are fine. This is a good neighborhood too. It's just too bad there is no place safe in Mexico from this madness. Foget that it only happens in TJ or Juarez and only in the narco neighborhoods- it is now happening everywhere. That's the saddest part. Time for another xanax.

Paulina - 12-12-2008 at 01:28 PM

There may be something to be said for JR's "Gringo Enclaves". (sorry JR if I spelled it wrong.) He might be all for them now.

Wooosh, take a vacation for the Christmas/New year's holiday.

P<*)))>{

Woooosh - 12-12-2008 at 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by Paulina
There may be something to be said for JR's "Gringo Enclaves". (sorry JR if I spelled it wrong.) He might be all for them now.

Wooosh, take a vacation for the Christmas/New year's holiday.

P<*)))>{


Thanks. My lab is due to whelp her litter next week and my place in Colorado is rented out for the holidays. Oh well- I'm stuck here.

Will you be looking for homes for the pups?

Dave - 12-12-2008 at 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
My lab is due to whelp her litter next week

woody with a view - 12-12-2008 at 02:26 PM

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How do I kow if I'm giving helpful info to the "bad guys" and not he "good guys". Truth is, no one knows who is clean enough to trust- so no one talks.


does anyone have the nuts to say this to the cops? how do they respond?

business as usual, unfortunately....

djh - 12-12-2008 at 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by woody in ob
Quote:
How do I kow if I'm giving helpful info to the "bad guys" and not he "good guys". Truth is, no one knows who is clean enough to trust- so no one talks.


does anyone have the nuts to say this to the cops? how do they respond?

business as usual, unfortunately....


Hi Woody.... Suppose that could also be stated as: "IS anyone nuts enough to say this to the cops?"

Hang in there Woosh.... I hope you'll also enjoy the magic of life / birth there too!

djh

Woooosh - 12-12-2008 at 04:33 PM

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Originally posted by Dave
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Originally posted by Woooosh
My lab is due to whelp her litter next week


Will let you know. We haven't had any ultrasound or xrays done to see how many. The male is White, 11 months old and 110 pounds- the female is Black, one and a half years old and 75 pounds- so these are big labs. Both are AKC from champ lines. I wasn't planning on breeding them this soon- but they had other plans. We joke that our "Guero" is a typical mexican macho boy- now with children of his own. Whatever they are- they won't be AKC registered as they wiill be baja-born. Is there a MKC?

Woooosh - 12-12-2008 at 04:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by djh
Quote:
Originally posted by woody in ob
Quote:
How do I kow if I'm giving helpful info to the "bad guys" and not he "good guys". Truth is, no one knows who is clean enough to trust- so no one talks.


does anyone have the nuts to say this to the cops? how do they respond?

business as usual, unfortunately....


Hi Woody.... Suppose that could also be stated as: "IS anyone nuts enough to say this to the cops?"

Hang in there Woosh.... I hope you'll also enjoy the magic of life / birth there too!

djh


Here's my take. El Teo is working his way up the coast to Ensenada and the street fighting between the AFO factions is getting closer. El Teo isn't shy. His entourage (four black suburbans) were in Rosarito and El Teo walked into Macho Taco with a full glass of Tequila in his hands. The door men saw the bodyguards with him and decided not to enforce the house rules.

The dead guys was named Chato and he was a security gurad at Papas and Beer. He was a bad guy. They followed him from his home to the beach as he went for his morning run, and then gunned him down. My nephew talked with a guy who was riding his bike and talking with Chato this morning as he walked down the street towards the beach. The guy on the bike got a bad feeling about a truck behind them and dediced to bike on ahead. He was 100 meters away when the guy got gunned down.

No one is saying this is the police. What I was saying was that you don't know which police to confide in. If you expose your hand to the wrong people (including a corrupt policeman) you could be next. Until people have someone they can trust to call- they won't pick up the phone to call anyone- and the cycle continues. Right Schultz?

[Edited on 12-12-2008 by Woooosh]

Barry A. - 12-12-2008 at 08:55 PM

Woooosh----------Wow, you DO have a unique problem, I see. My flippant remark about helping the Police appears to be out-of-line in this case.

My condolences------------we certainly hope this whole mess/situations ends soon.

Barry

bajabound2005 - 12-12-2008 at 09:07 PM

I think Givesomelive.org runs a FREE spay & neuter clinic every month in Rosarito....
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Originally posted by Woooosh
Quote:
Originally posted by Dave
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Originally posted by Woooosh
My lab is due to whelp her litter next week


Will let you know. We haven't had any ultrasound or xrays done to see how many. The male is White, 11 months old and 110 pounds- the female is Black, one and a half years old and 75 pounds- so these are big labs. Both are AKC from champ lines. I wasn't planning on breeding them this soon- but they had other plans. We joke that our "Guero" is a typical mexican macho boy- now with children of his own. Whatever they are- they won't be AKC registered as they wiill be baja-born. Is there a MKC?

Woooosh - 12-12-2008 at 11:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajabound2005
I think Givesomelive.org runs a FREE spay & neuter clinic every month in Rosarito....


Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
Quote:
Originally posted by Dave
Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
My lab is due to whelp her litter next week


Will let you know. We haven't had any ultrasound or xrays done to see how many. The male is White, 11 months old and 110 pounds- the female is Black, one and a half years old and 75 pounds- so these are big labs. Both are AKC from champ lines. I wasn't planning on breeding them this soon- but they had other plans. We joke that our "Guero" is a typical mexican macho boy- now with children of his own. Whatever they are- they won't be AKC registered as they wiill be baja-born. Is there a MKC?


You should take him up on it.

ckiefer - 12-13-2008 at 12:09 AM

Ever find out what happened to those surfers? Good luck on those pups and let us know when they arrive.

Stay safe...

Woooosh - 12-13-2008 at 09:26 AM

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Originally posted by ckiefer
Ever find out what happened to those surfers? Good luck on those pups and let us know when they arrive.

Stay safe...


The surfers came back to thier VW bug when the police arrived. The waves were good- but they opted not to stick around. I told them they are already here and they should just go out in the water and enjoy themselves- but they bailed. They'll be back today no doubt.

The pups will be here mid-week I am guessing. No, we are not going to have the dam/sire spayed/nuetered until our friends and family are all labbed-up. A horseman friend wants to trade a puppy for a horse. I think it would be great to give him one- so I could see it go by twice a day on the beach with all the horses.

Yes, there are plenty of unwanted dogs in Mexico, but there's never too many purebred labs. Even Mexcian children who scream and run away from all dogs- eventually settle down enough to let lab-love take over. If Mexicans had more labs- they'd be less afraid of dogs in general and nicer to animals overall.

ckiefer - 12-13-2008 at 06:42 PM

Do you think it is the mexican nationals who shy away from communications with the police, or both nationals and foreigners?

Lab pups are so cute, I love to kiss their warm round bellies! Post a picture of them when they make their debut....

Bajafun777 - 12-13-2008 at 07:12 PM

Cartel Police Reporting 101 Class: If they think you saw them and you do not get away fast you dead, If they think you know something that might even make the smoke float toward them you are dead, If they think you give information to police and they pay well to police rats that point the finger right back at you then you are dead, If they think you smile or frowned like you disapproved of what they did you are dead, Oh what the hell if you were anywhere in sight, sound, or smell then you are dead not fair tooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad. Now, if the police want to find out they have hoses and baking soad enough to get rats to talk fast and nobody likes choking on their own no I not going to go that deep into this class as it is on Class 101. Do not be making yourself too know about knowing or thinking anything in the climate of kill and kill again, my thoughts and prayers are with you. This crap just stinks no matter how you stir it and it is a very serious and deadly run by these gangs make no mistake about that:!:. Later, bajafun777

Bajafun777 - 12-14-2008 at 02:05 AM

OK gnukid, what world are you looking through in those "rose color glasses?" Police Chiefs, Police Officers, Military officers, Politicians, etc. are getting dropped liked flies. This is not the U.S.A. and if it was then I would tell these people report away. I know they would not have the issue of the bad guys finding out before they got back home from a light lunch to find death waiting for them. The situation in Mexico has had people give what they thought was information in secret and later their families found them dead. It is easy to tell someone to put their life and their other loved ones lives in jeapordy and then say "Damn it is too bad they got killed, that just wasn't right." The system as it is right now in Mexico is real tough for anyone to function without risk. These people living in the community do not have weapons to protect themselves and even if they did it would be no match for an AK-47. I have personally seen what this weapon can do. Mexicali had two of its trained officers lives taken out by a group that had been setting them up succeeded in shooting the hell out of their vehicle. This weapon just rips the hell out of things and people will die when it is turned loose on someone. Now, you can live in your dream about what is happening in a corrupt system that has what is suppose to be good guys being with the actual bad guys. I would not advise a Nomad to take that chance with the way things are right now. They and I are not the problem Mexico is experiencing. What Mexico is experiencing is a lot deeper and it is all the way through their government officials, police, federal, state, local and even their military.
Yea, so if you find out something you think might get one of these Cartel members arrested go for it just don't adive others with no defense to do so. To advise someone living in Mexico especially an American or Canadian you put them in terrible risk. I use to think like you on this reporting thing but I know how bad it really is. I do not have dreams of any kind of law enforcement group in Mexico being free of not giving out information that can get you and your family members with you dead. I will not tell anyone to step forward the way things are now, as they are unprotected and at total risk in Mexico even if they call it in or email information from some cyber cafe. So, I guess we will agree to agree to disagree on this one, as I have personally seen the way it is, which is not a pretty sight. Later---------bajafun777

CaboRon - 12-14-2008 at 07:16 AM

Sorry Gnukid ,

I am going to have to go with Bajafun's comments on this one.

CaboRon

Katiejay99 - 12-14-2008 at 07:33 AM

You're right - I'll re-post it (thank you)

[Edited on 12-14-2008 by Katiejay99]

Re-post:
I concur with both sides of the "to report anonymously or not to do it". Based on a personal experience 3 yrs ago and going through the anonymous email process to Mexico City, the drug guy was arrested and is still in jail. The only thing is that the local street guys new about the email within 2 days of it being sent.

[Edited on 12-14-2008 by Katiejay99]

woody with a view - 12-14-2008 at 07:48 AM

i'd be careful of telling the world where you live and what you did/saw/said. maybe go back and edit your pertinent details.... you never know who reads this site.

Bajafun777 - 12-14-2008 at 11:56 PM

OK, I get it you have not worked gangs on the border but have friends that have. Do not be so quick to think you know what others have done or do in their profession. I guess I did not make it understood enough when I said I had personal experience in dealing with issues down in Mexico, now do you get it???? The U.S.A. witnesses have recourse and protection, have you ever heard of a witness protection program in Mexico??? They have these witnesses or people that turned away from the drug cartel and we end up accepting them here in the U.S.A. for their cooperation. A prison doctor, rehab counselor and psychiatrist only get the information third or fourth hand filtered information. They have never worked these people on the streets and have no real clue what is actually happening out their other than what they have been told. I won't even get started on how psychiatrist only help these crooks make excuses for their learned chosen illegal behavior, which has nothing to do with mental health issues.
I have dealt with a number of these gang members, Cartel kingpins in my career and I sure did not see a one of these people you think knows something about what is happening on the streets or ever being with those that put it on the line. You are wrong about me encouraging people to support or be afraid of gangs, however in the U.S.A. we have some type of safeguards but even then sometimes people that come forward die. However, we are talking about Mexico Cartels and gang members that have no regard for human life. Without a doubt you are totally mistaken to think these crooks do not go after witnesses. You also seem to think newspapers or television reporters do not have people tied to the Cartels or gangs in Mexico,please. You are really very badly misinformed!! I am concerned about Nomads in Mexico thinking they have nothing to worry about when pointing these people out or giving information to what they think are safe sources to carry their information to those that will use it correctly. Again, since this is Mexico which at the current time can not even protect their own officials do you still think they are really worried about giving protection to Americans or Canadians down in Mexico?? American Law Enforcement do not even want to go into Mexico at the present time do not knowing who is who down there. These Cartels and gang members are killing anyone or anything in an immediate home attacks and yes they have come back and killed some more. You do not know enough on this subject to advise these Nomads living down there what to do. I know you think your helping and I only wish it was as you think it is but unfortunately it is not. So, yea since this is Mexico and we are talking about Cartels and gang members which are all totally ruthlessness and hell yes they really do kill witnesses. Have no doubt whatsoever what they will also do to the Americans or Canadians that step up to become informants, especially if they still remain in the same location in Baja. In fact, they are becoming what we call a TARGET!!!! I probably said more than I should but I know most of the Nomads living in Baja just want to live a "No Worry No Hurry Just Fun" Lifestyle and I do not want them to be thinking something is what it definately is not. I have seen enough of this crap for 34 years that I do not even want to have to deal with it when I retire, which hopefully with Gods will is very very soon. Later------ bajafun777

flyfishinPam - 12-15-2008 at 11:40 AM

wooosh so sorry to hear about this so close to your home. Our thoughts and prayers are with you and yours and have been for some time. please take care.

Bajafun777 - 12-16-2008 at 09:13 AM

gnukid, i am really glad to hear the South is doing so well but without a doubt the North is not. It is not based on fear what I wrote but again knowledge in dealing with these criminals for 34 years. I have seen so many cases go nowhere due to witnesses being killed, injured, or just plain scared off after seeing harm come to those they cared about and themselves. I have seen people in Mexico I thought were legit and then "bam" they are caught in the things they claimed to be fighting. Participated in Hooking and booking too many crooks to be afaid of them but again I am in the USA and Mexico is a whole different world especially by border towns. I am fearful for those that have lived their work lives planning for the experience of living the "easy on the easy" life. I know Mexican cops that have told me they do not know who the hell to trust even in their own department, now that is a sad day for all of them. I have talked to Mexican officers I have known that finally just quit and got out of law enforcement because they could not close their eyes and ears tight enough to accept what they were experiencing and again this is really a sad thing. Mexico has some well intended and professional types coming up that I have also met but the wear and tear of fighting corruption along with living to talk about it is getting harder and harder. So, those in the North live your dreams but do so with your eyes wide open and be well informed before putting yourself or your loved ones in possible danger. "No Hurry No Worry Just Fun" ahhhhhhhhhhhhh now that is what we are all talking about.
Wooosh you appear to be doing and taking the right precautions from what I have read in your posts. Labs don't they do some silly things as pups do to their experiences with their big feet and long legs as they grow fast but are still curious puppies, right?? Seems like they are always getting into something or chewing something up, so having toys they can chew on helps, however they still get into things they should not, right?? Hope, all Nomads have great wonderful safe holiday experiences and wooosh your pups will be your present, right?? Later----bajafun777

gnukid - 12-16-2008 at 10:58 AM

Hmmmm Good perspective. Perhaps as I play with my silly 1 year old Lab Sophie its easy to see the world as an amazing place to play games and tricks like stealing socks. I get to spend my free time patching the walls and corners where she chews and to revel in her "intelligence".

Stay cool. I am heading to TJ this week and to spend time in the region exploring many places I haven't spend much time for the months of Feb and March and then maybe I'll have a new perspective. Looking forward to meeting many of you during the adventure.

[Edited on 12-16-2008 by gnukid]

Woooosh - 12-16-2008 at 12:37 PM

I want to thank all of you for the support and advice. I've got 11 black lab puppies to keep me safely indoors for a while.

BTW- the news media does monitor the postings on this board and I was contacted by a reporter from San Diego.

[Edited on 12-16-2008 by Woooosh]

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toneart - 12-16-2008 at 12:59 PM

Of course, the border region is more dangerous than BCS. That is where the drug cartel/smuggling action is.That is where the Arrellano Felix Cartel live. Other cartels, who are trying to move in on them, battle in the Arrellano Felix' home turf.

On the mainland, it is dangerous in many other locations as well as the border. Those locations are where other cartels originate and that is the turf they protect.

Any Mexican National will tell you they don't trust the police. It has always been that way. I have had some personal experiences which I won't go into for the sake of safety. None, by the way, had anything to do with drugs.

In Mexico, if anyone ever approaches you about drugs, asking questions, they may be looking for real information, or they may be looking for someone to frame. Sometimes these people will identify themselves as police by showing you their IDs or badges. These guys come on like they want to be your friend and they brag about what they do. They exude very sinister vibrations. Their intent is not benevolent. Best advise: just move away from them and get away!

We fun loving, Baja explorers and/or alien residents should never have to worry if you don't venture into the drug culture, which is everywhere.

Regarding reprisals on witnesses, don't think it doesn't happen. That is human nature! Guys who live within the culture of death and gang warfare have long ago abdicated their ethics. They are killers. That is what they do! They have the heavy weaponry. They have experience using them. They see it as their job. Why wouldn't they come after you? They would have no trouble finding you. Best advice: If you are a witness to a killing, get the hell out of there. For sure, don't tell about it here.

The best way to live as a citizen of the free world is to keep a low profile. Drink Pacifico and enjoy yourself. Do not allow the grip of FEAR to drive you. Drop the ego. Be vigilant in who you befriend. Times have changed in that we have incrementally learned to assimilate violence. If it doesn't touch you personally, it is easy to ignore it. I am not saying that is a very moral stance. Some choose to get involved and fight. Not me!

This kind of activity has always taken place in Mexico. It has greatly intensified in Northern Baja since the Arrelleno Felix kingpin was arrested while fishing and brought to San Diego. That signaled a perceived crack in their organization and has tempted other cartels to try to move in on their turf.

Be thankful that we have options. Don't forget that Nationals don't have anywhere to go. So far, we are not targets. If this changes, I am out of there; possessions be damned. I am watching, reading, talking to people, using my own intuition which always serves me well because I remain aware.

Gnukid - I don't wish to debate with you, because you claim to have inside knowledge and are some kind of clandestine operative. That automatically excludes me from having any useful knowledge of what you are talking about. All I have is opinion and my own experiences, which are really pretty innocent. My experiences are the same as anyone would encounter, anywhere in the world.

I will say, however, that it is conceivable to me that your scenario; government instigation and disinformation, is possible. If so, that would be a sub plot, or maybe a parallel plot that is operating concurrently with the Cartel scenario. To say the Cartel scenario is not really as it appears, to me, diminishes your credibility. We know what we see and hear. As to your scenario, I really don't want to know. It has no bearing on my life because I choose to live an uncomplicated, retired existence.

As I said, I am aware. So my attitude is not to be labeled as "Ostrich, head-in-the-sand." With Pacifico in hand, I try, though!:cool:

gnukid - 12-16-2008 at 01:35 PM

Toneart,

FYI change my disguise often and my locale. Usually I dress as an old person and try to fit in with the cruisers and nomads to sneak around. I change cars on short notice, carry no id. I do most of my observations from points so remote I can't even see anything except stars? So I have nothing to report except fishing stories, that fight between the snake and the eel and interesting rock outcrops that remind me of christmas cards. Lately I am heavily invested in using native herbs and fruits to cook fish. If I discover anything important I'll be sure to not let you know...



[Edited on 12-16-2008 by gnukid]

Sharksbaja - 12-16-2008 at 01:53 PM

:wow:
Great disguise Gnu!:lol:

toneart - 12-16-2008 at 04:11 PM

Gnukid,

On second thought, maybe I will join you. :biggrin:

That rock photo is great! That looks like the organic disposition of us all. Solid, scary but definitely not going anywhere.;)

Bajafun777 - 12-16-2008 at 06:59 PM

Woooosh, great litter of pups. I have 4 nieces and 1 nephew that had a chocolate and Blond lab that someone tried to break into their house and left the gate open. One tried to cross a trucking road several miles away and did not get across and kids were broken hearted. The other one got next to a neighbors dog that had distemper and it did not make it along with the family having the Vet charge them over $2,200 dollars for the time the male dog was with him. Again, the kids were heart broken and the next two dogs they got were those small sheppard looking sheep/cattle dogs that have filled the void. Are you feeding the mother different dog food right now??? Gnukid, when we meet up on my travels down south with my motorcycle I will buy a few cold ones for us to share and you can point out the taco stand to eat at. Just love going down the road with the wind in my face and smelling the ocean. You also take in the sights so much better, take care and keep your senses focused up in T.J. Later------------------------bajafun777

Very thought provoking posts

Theplaintruth - 12-16-2008 at 08:13 PM

Here is a message for tonart,
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahhahahahahahahhahahahahah

And here is one for gnukid
hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I have never heard such drug induced crap and over simplified pass the joint solutions for real problems in Mexico.
I am sure you can both get custom fitting aluminun foil hats if you wait for the black choppers. Do you two really function in this real world with these out of your mind thoughts in your heads. Its all about money and power. Nothing else. To try to bring in black opps stuff says a lot about your intake of drugs yourselves over the last few years.

What a load of self pontificating crap you two are spewing.

Mango - 12-16-2008 at 08:27 PM

Actually, I used to live very close to an ex-army - now FBI training center in Monterrey, CA about ten years ago.

There are black helicopters. Three of them, with 3 guys on each side tethered and standing on the skids with assault riffle at the ready, flew only about 50 feet above my house on the way to a training session at the "Impossible City" at the old Fort Ord. This was where the special forces would train before the base was "closed".

:cool:

They looked pretty much like this one:




I'm hear there are white helicopters with little red crosses on them too!

[Edited on 12-17-2008 by Mango]

HOORAY ! ! !

djh - 12-16-2008 at 08:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
I want to thank all of you for the support and advice. I've got 11 black lab puppies to keep me safely indoors for a while.

BTW- the news media does monitor the postings on this board and I was contacted by a reporter from San Diego.

[Edited on 12-16-2008 by Woooosh]


Hold on a minute noMADs,

Don't forget to celebrate the GOOD news here !!!

ELEVEN new lab puppies ! ! !

Congrats, Woosh! I'm sure you're a very proud and doting grandpa!

And for a most important question....:

Are there Eleven functioning "faucets" too.... (That's what my dad called em when out C. Spaniel had 13 puppies in 1965 :-)... All 13 survived and found loving homes.)

Merry Christmas, Amigo

djh

Woooosh - 12-16-2008 at 09:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by djh
Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
I want to thank all of you for the support and advice. I've got 11 black lab puppies to keep me safely indoors for a while.

BTW- the news media does monitor the postings on this board and I was contacted by a reporter from San Diego.

[Edited on 12-16-2008 by Woooosh]


Hold on a minute noMADs,

Don't forget to celebrate the GOOD news here !!!

ELEVEN new lab puppies ! ! !

Congrats, Woosh! I'm sure you're a very proud and doting grandpa!

And for a most important question....:

Are there Eleven functioning "faucets" too.... (That's what my dad called em when out C. Spaniel had 13 puppies in 1965 :-)... All 13 survived and found loving homes.)

Merry Christmas, Amigo

djh


Gracias for the kind words.

The pups are doing great- even the Sire is helping keep them clean. There is one small female (all weighed daily) that I put a string on her neck to make sure she gets the best seat at the diner. She only has ten seats for 11 customers- so they eat in shifts. We don't do reservations. I don't think it's a big deal- same thing as a woman feeding triplets, right? The mom is on dry puppy food (Iams) plus calcium supplements, cottage cheese and canned puppy food. They say to feed the Dam 3 times normal while they are kicking into the serious milk-production stage. She's still skinny but in a week or so I'll cut her back to normal so she doesn't get fat. We're busy for the holidays I guess- hope yours are happy too.

fishbuck - 12-16-2008 at 09:32 PM

Horay... puppies! The world is alright again!!!

toneart - 12-16-2008 at 10:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Theplaintruth
Here is a message for tonart,
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahhahahahahahahhahahahahah

And here is one for gnukid
hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I have never heard such drug induced crap and over simplified pass the joint solutions for real problems in Mexico.
I am sure you can both get custom fitting aluminun foil hats if you wait for the black choppers. Do you two really function in this real world with these out of your mind thoughts in your heads. Its all about money and power. Nothing else. To try to bring in black opps stuff says a lot about your intake of drugs yourselves over the last few years.

What a load of self pontificating crap you two are spewing.


Actually, if you have any reading comprehension skills you would see that I do not buy gnukids story for my belief system. I suggested that if his theory system were true, it would be parallel to what I and most others (Cartel Drug Turf War) see as what is really going on. I do not confront people by nullifying their beliefs. That is not my style. Anything is possible. I am not in the loop that gnukid claims to participate in, and I very clearly told gnukid that I am not qualified to debate him on that subject. That is his issue.

Go back and read my post. It is clearly written. What I suspect is that, being a newby, you are the reemergence of the same (and only) person that has ever stalked me on this website. You keep finding your way back here and with your malicious intent, you will again be banned shortly. So have at it. The sooner the better.

The only other explanation is that you are a ha ha ha ha ha inarticulate dummy who cannot contribute anything meaningful to this forum because you can't read or write. I do not know gnukid. I do not agree with gnukid, but the kid can write. I would never be rude enough to insult him intentionally. You, however, can go pound sand! You are irrelevant. Here...wear this: :barf:

toneart - 12-16-2008 at 10:53 PM

Now it is clear, The c-ckroach is back. He was deported from Baja for threatening to kill the wrong person. And now he is stalking me again. He threatened me on Off Topic. I reported him. He will not be here long. There is nothing playful or debatable about this guy. He goes straight for the throat.

ELINVESTIG8R - 12-17-2008 at 09:31 AM

It always comes to this doesn't it!