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Wilburs Hole!

castaway$ - 2-27-2009 at 07:35 PM

Anybody willing to give up th coordinates yet, I was given some but I caught nothing but hammer heads. Help a fellow nomad out!!! If you don't want to post it U2U me i can keep a secret.:spingrin:

capt. mike - 2-28-2009 at 10:39 AM

its near mulege right?

Diver - 2-28-2009 at 10:51 AM

It's the place I caught 3 YT, a 15 lb grouper and more in 2 hours ! :biggrin:

I could tell you but then I'd have to ......

Actually, it took me 3 tries to find it with a depth/fish finder and no gps !

[Edited on 2-28-2009 by Diver]

There is probably only one Wilbur's Hole.

Pompano - 3-1-2009 at 07:12 AM

The one I know is located off Pt. Conception about 5-6 miles east of the Mulege lighthouse.

castaway, I don't have the coordinates at hand for you, but you will find the hump with your sonar if you X the general area. Indeed, there may well be a commercial panga or two anchored on it to show you the way..as happens quite often. Look for 15-20 high bumps of rocks over the surrounding bottom.

Wilbur's Hole and nearby Harry's Reef are both good bottom structures and have produced fish like cabrilla, grouper, pinto, trigger, snapper, linguada, and yellowtail to name a few. I started fishing those spots over 35 years ago..and they are still good choices.

If you have time, check out some of the other marked spots while out there. Brown marks the rockpiles. Red marks are for yellowtail spots.

If you want some bigger-than-average pintos, plus a good chance for grouper and yellowtail, check out the rockpile by Pta. Terasa. 225ft bottom..rockpiles to 205ft. 4 oz. or heavier jigs/darts have always worked quite well for us.

Wind conditions look good for this coming Tuesday. We will be out there.

Good luck..tight lines.

[Edited on 3-1-2009 by Pompano]

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castaway$ - 3-1-2009 at 09:23 AM

Thanks Pomp were hoping (if business allows) to get down there the end of this month and I need to get my fishing fix in.

toneart - 3-1-2009 at 02:53 PM

Better hurry. The Seiners and Shrimpers are sweeping the floor in this area. There is a drastic reduction of fish from last year. Soon it will be dead as the Bahia Conception. It never came back. We have petitioned for this to stop but still goes on. Apparently there isn't anything we can do to stop it. We are watching them raping the environment every day. You can see them from the beach. Too sad to even enjoy one the great meals at El Patron. You can't get them out of your open window view. They are there day and night.:fire:

Sharksbaja - 3-1-2009 at 02:58 PM

It's the draggers that do the most damage.:mad::mad:

Bastards imo.

Pompano - 3-1-2009 at 09:42 PM

castaway, please excuse this short hijack of your Wilbur's Hole post.

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Originally posted by toneart
Better hurry. The Seiners and Shrimpers are sweeping the floor in this area. There is a drastic reduction of fish from last year. Soon it will be dead as the Bahia Conception. It never came back. We have petitioned for this to stop but still goes on. Apparently there isn't anything we can do to stop it. We are watching them raping the environment every day. You can see them from the beach. Too sad to even enjoy one the great meals at El Patron. You can't get them out of your open window view. They are there day and night.:fire:


Tony...I know this situation bothers the heck out of you. You are not alone. It has bothered all the rest of us area fishermen for many decades. We have protested, taken photos, gave rides to officials, and so on for almost 40 years....it is not going to change any time soon. We are thankful to have the fishing we have left.

(Indeed, overfishing and habitat destruction is happening globally.
There are some bright areas though...the Oregon coast salmon fishing has improved dramatically the last few years..thanks to enforcement of the laws. Also fresh water stocks in barbless managed areas of USA and Canada have made a comeback and lots of other success stories.....but that's all for a different thread.)

Tony...maybe you better come out with us on Tuesday. We will try to put you in a better mood..and catch some fish. Believe me, the fish are still around! We are headed for Pta. Terasa.

Just don't listen to Cypress!! :rolleyes:

Okay..back to Wilbur's Hole info.

toneart - 3-1-2009 at 10:22 PM

Thank you Roger. I've been listening to the wrong people. You are always good when one needs a cheer up! It is hard to watch them them bottom scraping though.

Sharksbaja - 3-1-2009 at 10:35 PM

Well it was good up till last year.

Actually Roger they have closed the coast to salmon trolling due to low returns. On the upside, the Columbia fishery has improved dramatically.

Very strange indeed.

This week marks the first time sea lions will be trapped and killed up to the dam.


Oh, and they carved out a reserve/preserve for rockfish off Newport. Only they should have started doing staggered closures 30 years ago.

[Edited on 3-2-2009 by Sharksbaja]

Pompano - 3-2-2009 at 07:30 AM

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Well it was good up till last year.

Actually Roger they have closed the coast to salmon trolling due to low returns. On the upside, the Columbia fishery has improved dramatically.

Very strange indeed.

[Edited on 3-2-2009 by Sharksbaja]


I should have been more clear, Corky. I knew the Oregon coast was closed due to an anomaly..rather poor salmon stocks this past year..I say anomaly because it was a surprising event in the face of a good build-up since 2001. As you might know in your cafe business, the whole Oregon Coast is suffering the repercussions of the broadest salmon shutdown ever in those waters...(the feds shut it down from Astoria to the Baja Norte border)..but it was for a good sound reason and very necessary to protect the species.

For now rockfish charters are the future which the coastal towns will depend on to bring in thier sportfishing revenue ..Time to diversify, for sure. Can you say dune buggy, casinos, chain-saw sculpturing, car shows, and golf?

But unfortunately in places like Astoria, Florence and Winchester Bay, the really good rockfishing is out past the 40 fathom line. One of my favorite villages on the globe is Winchester Bay, but that town is devasted by the ocean salmon shutdown. They make thier livings from ..recreational 'salmon' fishing. The only thing left for most is river fishing and let's hope that at least that can continue.

It's wasn't all bad fishing news, though. One should always accentuate the positive! There were plenty of fish caught last year, including rockfish, halibut, albacore.. and even a small amount of coho from the Cape Falcon waters south of Astoria. I believe they reached the 9000 fish limit.

Last summer and early fall, I fished Oregon's coast and then inland rivers and lakes. Again, mostly offshore rockfish, along with some halibut and albacore. These fish are now the mainstay of Oregon's offshore fishery, especially places like Garibaldi, Newport and Brookings.

As for salmon, we had great success with river fish at Winchester Bay where the Umpqua River meets the Pacific.
Even my old Baja buddy, Randy, catches them as this picture shows:

p.s. I am just ribbing him about the 'leech and cowbells' inscription.. Randy took this one with the regulation trolled cut-bait. He was a happy camper.

Now ...Tuesday we might check out Wilbur's Hole on the way to Pta. Teresa rockpiles. We will have a report for you soon, castaway.

[Edited on 3-2-2009 by Pompano]

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Pescador - 3-2-2009 at 08:45 AM

The dragging is probably having some effect but is small in comparison to the spring activity where pangas come in with long gill nets and sweep the yellowtail, cabrilla, and everything else that swims, while these fish are moving in to the shallows during spawn and pre-spawn. It used to be that they were unable to hit these fish so hard, but now they use divers to move the nets toward center so that they can move over the rocks. Last spring, I saw times when the pangas used to transport the fish from Tortuga, San Marcos, and other islands in the area, were so overloaded that they could hardly make it to shore. And this happens day after day after day. The price gets so bad that they end up paying 5 or 6 pesos por kilo for yellowtail and 12 or so for cabrilla. The pangas literally bring in everything from the reefs including bay bass, triggerfish, reef fish like parrot fish and others, and any other sea life like lobster.
I have talked to Martin, who is head of the PESCA office in Santa Rosalia and his only response is that it is legal.
It would not take a Harvard MBA to figure that each 20 kilo yellowtail that brings 100 pesos would sure bring a lot more than that from sportfishing, but this goes on. So it was no wonder that such few fish were caught during the Mulege tournament. Just wait till next year.

Martyman - 3-2-2009 at 09:13 AM

Wow;
That's depressing

Pompano - 3-2-2009 at 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by Martyman
Wow;
That's depressing


Only if you stay ashore.

See you at the rockpile. It's not about the fish.

Skipjack Joe - 3-2-2009 at 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by Pompano
Last summer and early fall, I fished Oregon's coast and then inland rivers and lakes. Again, mostly offshore rockfish, along with some halibut and albacore. These fish are now the mainstay of Oregon's offshore fishery, especially places like Garibaldi, Newport and Brookings.


I'm not sure the strategy of moving from salmon to rockfish is a good one. Those nice calicos we are getting at Asuncion are 15 year old fish. Calico bass grow slowly I learned at a seminar this year. They're so abundant now in baja that you don't give it much thought.

Personally I hate those marine reserves. They won't even allow catch and release due to release mortality. What release mortality do you get in 30 feet of water. The whole thing has a powerful PETA odor.

BajaBruno - 3-2-2009 at 02:26 PM

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Originally posted by Pompano
Quote:
Originally posted by Martyman
Wow;
That's depressing


Only if you stay ashore.

See you at the rockpile. It's not about the fish.


Well said, Pomp. I hate to sound Platonic, but our attitude creates our reality.

Cypress - 3-2-2009 at 04:09 PM

An empty fish box is a Sea of Cortez reality.:(

Wilbur's Hole recon - 4:30 AM Tuesday

Pompano - 3-3-2009 at 04:56 AM

About ready to head out the door for work. Today's job will take us from Serinadad ramp to Pt. Conception and then south to Pta. Teresa. About a 30-mile trip on that leg.

castaway and other interested fishermen: The damn draggers have nearly worn the tops off the rockpiles near Mulege so we don't put much hope in finding any big schools of fish around Wilbur's Hole. But will give it good looksee when passing by.

God willing and the Cortez don't rise, I will post a fishing report later today or tomorrow.

Note: After the poker game yesterday, a few of us were discussing the fish..and angling..situation around Mulege. The mood was glum. The general consensus was to sell the casas and move to Nicaraugua.....after a brief return to Asuncion.

shari...have you got room for a few fishermen, wives, dogs, and a couple cats who like Texas-Hold-Em?

Cypress - 3-3-2009 at 05:47 AM

Pompano, Good Luck!

castaway$ - 3-3-2009 at 08:31 AM

Fishing is supposed to be good in Guatamala.

Martyman - 3-3-2009 at 02:31 PM

:light:
Thanks
I needed the attitute change

Cypress - 3-4-2009 at 01:24 PM

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ZThomas - 3-4-2009 at 02:08 PM

How'd it go, Pompano? My folks sent me a SPOT message yesterday morning from the north end of Ildefonso, then Punta Colorada around noon, then Wilbur's at about 3 in the afternoon. I'm guessing if they were still fishing that late they didn't get anything down south. You?

Zack

Wilbur's Hole ..and then some.

Pompano - 3-4-2009 at 04:44 PM

Hey there, castaway and all...we had a great day.

Zac..met your folks out there on the Pez Gordo. It was flat calm all day and we boated from Mulege to Ille del Fonso..no small distance. We logged about 80 miles all told, but had to outrun a couple kraken.

I will write a full account later as I just received a message that the Jungla was auctioning off my stool if I did not get there by 5.

Suffice to say, our lines were tight!

[Edited on 3-5-2009 by Pompano]

castaway$ - 3-4-2009 at 04:59 PM

Looking forward to your report.